Barrett 107 M .50 cal Sniper rifle

[ZfrkS62]

YouTube

this isn't the full segment form the show "Futureweapons".

This thing has recorded a confirmed kill from 2400 meters, through tin and was designed to take out light armored personnel carriers :shock:

It is capable of firing explosive rounds for those really stubbon vehicles :twisted:

and the best part is....it's semi automatic :twisted:

2700 fps....you don't have time to hear the shot :twisted:

[5vz-fe]

that one big ass bullet

[nickthaskater]

Freakazoid displays my feelings towards this perfectly.

[nthfinity]

another useful tool to aid in winning wars :)

what a sexy gun :shock:

[ZfrkS62]

Freakazoid displays my feelings towards this perfectly.

:lol:

[TNT]

not much of a muzzle flash and pretty quite too. I have seen that take out armor vehicles before. :shock: you dif. want to be on the tigger side of that gun.

here is another video, private owners

http://www.nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=353&group_id=5&country_id=97&lang=0&p=8

[bmagni]

and just a few feet under water and it wont even reach you...

[ZfrkS62]

and just a few feet under water and it wont even reach you...

:lol: amazing what some H2O will do to a bullet isn't it? :lol:

[frodefe]

But what to do when "the other side" get's these....?
- inevitably, gun's like these will be sold to enemies of the US

[ZfrkS62]

But what to do when "the other side" get's these....?
- inevitably, gun's like these will be sold to enemies of the US

hopefully by that time we won't have anyone on the battlefield for them to shoot at :D

[Skaala]

I once tested a .50 rifle when I was in the service. It's frightening to say the less

[TeflonTron]

The US doesn't need to worry about its enemies getting hold of Barretts, as the Hungarian Gepard is also available, and that is more powerful and more accurate, not to mention that there is also a 14.5mm version that is twice as powerful as the Barrett.

[harryo2b]

The US doesn't need to worry about its enemies getting hold of Barretts, as the Hungarian Gepard is also available, and that is more powerful and more accurate, not to mention that there is also a 14.5mm version that is twice as powerful as the Barrett.

Don't you know how the US anything likes to do things? 14.5 mm...eh petty stuff. Read up on the Barrett XM109 let me give you a hint on it's specs, 25mm payloads. A-10 30 mm Avenger canon and F-16 20 mm Vulcan canon for comparison :twisted:

http://www.barrettrifles.com/military/images/109b.jpg

[RC45]

The US doesn't need to worry about its enemies getting hold of Barretts, as the Hungarian Gepard is also available, and that is more powerful and more accurate, not to mention that there is also a 14.5mm version that is twice as powerful as the Barrett.

Of course they don't... and of course they will.. and of course it is...

:roll:

We all know the US sucks at anything it does, makes or tries...

:roll:

we all know the enemies of the US are stronger, better and smarter...

:roll:

...but do we really need you to remind everyone everyday?

:roll:

[c0wb0y007]

Heavy Stuff I must say.

If I'm not mistaking one of these is being used in Michael Mann's latest movie Miami Vice. And it makes HUGE holes in cars, human body and last but not least it takes a big piece out of the backseat as well. I guess it just flies straight through (the whole damn car :shock: )

Such fire power used being used to take out huge animals, and now they just blow human beings with it straight to piece. I have seen a video of a US sniper operating in Iraq before, he beheads his insurgents with one single shot.

btw: Miami Vice is a great movie, I didn't expect it being that good though. The photography is awesome and the soundtrack is superb. Boys with toys :-)


Cheers

[nthfinity]

Such fire power used being used to take out huge animals, and now they just blow human beings with it straight to piece. I have seen a video of a US sniper operating in Iraq before, he beheads his insurgents with one single shot.


i think that video was in afganistan....

the ripple/shock from the 50 cal. round wizzing by at even a foot away will rip you apart.

the energy exterted by this gun/rounds is nuts

[gucom]

hmmm given that the barrett is in use with most special forces units in the (western?) world, i'd rather have that than a hungarian rifle i've never heard of tbh... btw that XM109 sounds like its 1 nasty rifle to be on the receiving end of...

also, what kind of animals do u wanna kill with a .50 rifle? whales?? cos i dont think it'd leave that much left of a bear either...

[PaulGT2164]

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_82A1.htm

you know its a badass gun when arnold in cali bans them from his state

if the terminator himself is scared of it, it must be awesome lol

http://www.50caliberterror.com/index2.html



there is a local gun shop with one on display.

i think the usual asking price for a new one is somwhere between 4-8 grand depending on the model/make.

i want one.

[harryo2b]

hmmm given that the barrett is in use with most special forces units in the (western?) world, i'd rather have that than a hungarian rifle i've never heard of tbh... btw that XM109 sounds like its 1 nasty rifle to be on the receiving end of...

also, what kind of animals do u wanna kill with a .50 rifle? whales?? cos i dont think it'd leave that much left of a bear either...

Well there is definately some "huge" game hunting going on with this but the key note is the ability to take a target out from a very long range away, 1+ miles when that pea shooter just won't make the cut.

Biggest use for .50 is sport shooting at extreme ranges. Barrett puts out their own magazine which really reveals a lot about the whole .50 scene. These are amazing "tools" and have helped save lives and scare the shit out of the ememy :lol:

Closest thing I came to owning a .50 was a Desert Eagle it was a cheap way into getting into big caliber toys.

[StanAE86]

I don't know much about weapons, the only one I carry is the one in my pants :lol: Okay seriously, enough talk about my pea shooter.

With bullets like this one, if a body shot, does it just go straight through the victim, leaving the possibility of survival? I'm assuming the snipers all go for the heatshot?

Thanks.

[gucom]

well the vid i've seen (was in afghanistan) and that was also talked about, shows bodies just being totally ripped apart, kinda like putting a firecracker in a banana... so no it's not absolutely necessary to go for a headshot with this rifle. Also at longer distances i dont know if it's accurate enough, despite having an amazing range it's not the most accurate sniper rifle in the world (beacuse it's semi-auto)

[StanAE86]

I think I remember seeing the video you're talking about, I might have even posted it originally. I don't remember the specs, but it was a sniper video. There was some debate over whether it was actual compat footage versus someone sniping an animal or something.

Now that I think about it, I think the beginning of this video said it was an explosive round...I guess that really would ruin your day.

[gucom]

lol its no use getting a nice hairdo when uve pissed off a sniper carrying thst thing indeed :P

[c0wb0y007]

lol its no use getting a nice hairdo when uve pissed off a sniper carrying thst thing indeed

LoL, I agree :-) No use of carrying a kevlar vest nor helmet as well.


The video I have seen was shot in Iraq, I'm 100% sure of that. It was made by some French journalists who were following some young insurgents. They were trying to take a US sniper out who was positioned in an hotel. They tried to take him out with a rocket launcher but instead of that he got his head blown to pieces. It was incredible what fire power this sniper had his hands on.
And I have even seen another video, it was some live footage made at the beginning of the Golf war. The sniper was shooting at some Iraqi's who were hiding in a small bunker in the middle of the desert. This sniper reported that he had been shooting straight through the walls and doors and that he hadn't seen any movement ever since :o

They even use bullets which got enhanced with uranium and they don't stop for anything.
I don't know whether they mention that in the video. Personally, I think there is a big chance that these .50 bullets are reinforced with uranium because they have to be able to penetrate through light armoured vehicles.

Cheers

[TeflonTron]

The US doesn't need to worry about its enemies getting hold of Barretts, as the Hungarian Gepard is also available, and that is more powerful and more accurate, not to mention that there is also a 14.5mm version that is twice as powerful as the Barrett.

Of course they don't... and of course they will.. and of course it is...

:roll:

We all know the US sucks at anything it does, makes or tries...

:roll:

we all know the enemies of the US are stronger, better and smarter...

:roll:

...but do we really need you to remind everyone everyday?

:roll:

You really are a world-class turd. Frodefe asked the question about what the US and her allies will do if/when the "badguys" get hold of these, and I simply answered that there are easier ways of getting a rifle that is as powerful, more accurate and is designed in an Eastern-Bloc country. Which do you think are more likely to fall into enemy hands: an American gun or a rifle of a country that shared its military arsenal/designs with Russia, which is a country well-known for stockpiles of its guns just walking out the door? This have nothing to do with the US, so don't try and turn it into that with your same old crap.

Harry: that is all well and good, but the Barrett XM109 in 25mm makes less power than the Gepard 14.5mm round. The new Barrett is basically using a grenade (the destructive power of the round comes from it being explosive, not because it's a bullet in the traditional sense).

For everyone's information, the video that purports to be a Barrett shooting Taliban snipers is fake. It's actually Rock Chucks being shot with a .17HMR.

Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet.

[gigdy]

Ive got the full segment from the show if someone wants to host.

[ZfrkS62]

despite having an amazing range it's not the most accurate sniper rifle in the world (beacuse it's semi-auto)


Snipers going after single targets aren't going to use it's semi auto capabilities.

The semi auto part somes in handy when taking out a personnel carrier or when scattering a small patrol into large red mists :twisted: Besides, .50 cal @ 2700fps just needs to rustle your ear hairs before the shockwave coming off it ruptures your ear drum :prr: hit in the leg, and you don't have one. You just bleed out because your femoral artery is decimated. If the entry wound doesn't kill you, the exit wound will.

And someone please get gigdy a host!!! :D

Cowboy: the range they go to in the segment is a private range and uranium and explosive tipped bullets are availible only through the military. But they do have clips of the aforementioned bullets hitting a target on a highspeed camera :D

[666fast]

The local gun shop near me has a Barret. They let me hold and it's one heavy mofo. I can't imagine the recoil of it. I've seen .50 cal rifles being fired, I'd imagine it compares to being kicked in the shoulder by a horse. The price on the Barret was just under $9k. I have no idea what the exact model number it is they had though. They also had a few machine guns, heh, who needs an Uzi? $900!

I've shot a Desert Eagle. Very over rated gun. It's weight absorbs a lot of the recoil and with a proper hold on the gun it's not too bad. Though, with repeated shooting your wrist will get sore. The worst thing is that they aren't accurate for shit, not in my experience anyway. I couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside with one.

[TeflonTron]

That's strange, as the Desert Eagle is amongst the most accurate of all "off the shelf" guns and is perfect for target shooting. You have to hold it tightly though, and if you "limp wrist" a shot it will go all over the place, and can jam the gun. It really is the kind of gun that you need to spend a lot of time with, tbh.

[RC45]

The US doesn't need to worry about its enemies getting hold of Barretts, as the Hungarian Gepard is also available, and that is more powerful and more accurate, not to mention that there is also a 14.5mm version that is twice as powerful as the Barrett.

Of course they don't... and of course they will.. and of course it is...

:roll:

We all know the US sucks at anything it does, makes or tries...

:roll:

we all know the enemies of the US are stronger, better and smarter...

:roll:

...but do we really need you to remind everyone everyday?

:roll:

You really are a world-class turd.

While you are a scholarly gentleman I guess? :violin:


Frodefe asked the question about what the US and her allies will do if/when the "badguys" get hold of these, and I simply answered that there are easier ways of getting a rifle that is as powerful, more accurate and is designed in an Eastern-Bloc country.

You sure did - taking great pains to make sure you said it was better etc etc etc.


Which do you think are more likely to fall into enemy hands: an American gun or a rifle of a country that shared its military arsenal/designs with Russia, which is a country well-known for stockpiles of its guns just walking out the door?

Uhm - it's patently obvious to those in the know - but you took great pains to point out any and all definicies in the "US" version vesrsus the "enemy" version....



This have nothing to do with the US, so don't try and turn it into that with your same old crap.


Yet you went to great pains to emphasis the "enemy" one is better and more accurate and more accesable... tahn the US one -- seems you made it about the US long before I even opened the thread :)


Harry: that is all well and good, but the Barrett XM109 in 25mm makes less power than the Gepard 14.5mm round. The new Barrett is basically using a grenade (the destructive power of the round comes from it being explosive, not because it's a bullet in the traditional sense).

For everyone's information, the video that purports to be a Barrett shooting Taliban snipers is fake. It's actually Rock Chucks being shot with a .17HMR.

Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet.
Again taking great pains to discount the "US" version :)

That's strange, as the Desert Eagle is amongst the most accurate of all "off the shelf" guns and is perfect for target shooting. You have to hold it tightly though, and if you "limp wrist" a shot it will go all over the place, and can jam the gun. It really is the kind of gun that you need to spend a lot of time with, tbh.

So you are a gun owner and regular shot then?

I thought hand-guns were verbotten in the Communist Republik of Britain?

[ZfrkS62]

The local gun shop near me has a Barret. They let me hold and it's one heavy mofo. I can't imagine the recoil of it. I've seen .50 cal rifles being fired, I'd imagine it compares to being kicked in the shoulder by a horse. The price on the Barret was just under $9k. I have no idea what the exact model number it is they had though. They also had a few machine guns, heh, who needs an Uzi? $900!

I've shot a Desert Eagle. Very over rated gun. It's weight absorbs a lot of the recoil and with a proper hold on the gun it's not too bad. Though, with repeated shooting your wrist will get sore. The worst thing is that they aren't accurate for shit, not in my experience anyway. I couldn't hit the side of a barn from the inside with one.

Well the thing about this one is the way the barrel is set in the reciever. It's set to absorb alot of the recoil, hence why it can be used as semi auto. The Muzzle Brake also bleeds some of the energy of the shot by directing it back, instead of letting it push back from the front of the muzzle like most rifles.

[TeflonTron]

RC: I don't live in the UK, you ignorant prick. :wink:

The FACT of the matter is that the Gepard (and others, including some made in the USA) are better than the Barrett, and that has nothing to do with the US in the slightest: it just is. Were you born in the US, RC? Is that why you have to wave the flag so hard, poephol.

[ZfrkS62]

RC: I don't live in the UK, you ignorant prick. :wink:

The FACT of the matter is that the Gepard (and others, including some made in the USA) are better than the Barrett, and that has nothing to do with the US in the slightest: it just is. Were you born in the US, RC? Is that why you have to wave the flag so hard, poephol.

1) As much as i like seeing RC fluster people in US vs The World arguments, would you please take it to the Political Forum?

2) If this gun is so useless, why is every other country purchasing them? Sweden was the first country to buy them. It was a Canadian sniper team that took out the insurgents from 2430 meters through a tin cover.

3) in the segment the gun is going through 3 feet of cinder block form well over 1000 meters and penetrating a thick plate of steel from nearly the same distance. With regular bullets. not explosive tips.

4) It's a multi purpose sniper rifle. who gives a flying fuck if 14.5 mm makes more power than a 25mm. who has the longer, more accurate range in under 10 seconds delivering 10 rounds down range?

You aren't going for muzzle velocity in a sniper rifle. You are going for effective accuracy from as far away as possible. hell, effective accuracy is the point of any firearm. But 2700 fps does make for a flatter trajectory after 1+ miles :D

[TeflonTron]

Zf: why would I take it to the Political Forum? There is no Political stance or bias on my part. This isn't about Politics, just me saying that there are more accurate rifles than the Barrett, some that use a Russian cartridge, and some that use the .50 BMG, just as the Barrett does.

The Barrett is a very capable rifle, but it is also the only one in this class that most people know of, yet pretty much every country makes a .50 Anti-Material rifle, from England through to South Africa through to China. This is a discussion forum, and I was discussing this rifle in context, and it isn't my fault if certain people (not yourself) want to throw their toys from the pram.

[PaulGT2164]

they say the barret has the same amount of recoil as a 12 ga shotgun, due to its recoil canceling design :)

[666fast]

That's strange, as the Desert Eagle is amongst the most accurate of all "off the shelf" guns and is perfect for target shooting. You have to hold it tightly though, and if you "limp wrist" a shot it will go all over the place, and can jam the gun. It really is the kind of gun that you need to spend a lot of time with, tbh.

Maybe it's me. I couldn't hit shit with it. With a .45 the same day, I had a three inch spread after 16 shots at 25 yards. Not bad considering I have very little experience with handguns. Soon to change though, permit has been applied for.

BTW, as a target gun, a Desert Eagle would be a terrible choice for your wallet! Ever seen what the ammo costs? LMAO
A day at the range will run into the hundreds just for ammo.

[TeflonTron]

That's strange, as the Desert Eagle is amongst the most accurate of all "off the shelf" guns and is perfect for target shooting. You have to hold it tightly though, and if you "limp wrist" a shot it will go all over the place, and can jam the gun. It really is the kind of gun that you need to spend a lot of time with, tbh.

Maybe it's me. I couldn't hit shit with it. With a .45 the same day, I had a three inch spread after 16 shots at 25 yards. Not bad considering I have very little experience with handguns. Soon to change though, permit has been applied for.

BTW, as a target gun, a Desert Eagle would be a terrible choice for your wallet! Ever seen what the ammo costs? LMAO
A day at the range will run into the hundreds just for ammo.

Yeah, in .50AE and .44 Cor-Bon the Rounds are about a Buck each, which is not that bad, but not that great when you take in the fact that you have to shoot a lot of shots to get used to the gun. The reason why it can jamb and be inaccurate is that it's gas recoiled, unlike 99% of handguns, and that means that the whole action needs to cycle fully in a straightline, and if anything interupts that the accuracy goes to hell. Basically the gun is great for hunting and silhouette shooting, but terrible for self-defence.

[PaulGT2164]

i have alot of experience with a 44mag desert eagle from israel arms, and it was a very accurate handgun, but then again i also have been shooting since i was 9 years old. it was my fav, with the second fav handgun i used to target shoot with, a springfield armory 1911 .45...

[ZfrkS62]

I didn't start shooting real guns until i was about 20 and my roomate bought a Taurus .44 Revolver. I couldn't hit a god damn thing for the first 10 shots :roll:

A few months back, my current roomate and i went shooting with his parents. Two .44 revolvers and a Glock 40. I was 2 inches low and right but clustered prettey tight with all 3 of them. Couldn't figure out for the life of me why i couldn't hit the bullseye until i went shooting with my coworker to sight in his 300 Winmag (fucking christ that thing hurts!) Now that day was fun :D Both my roomate and i hit dead center with his M1 Grand from 116 yards, open sight :D But it was switching to my coworkers .22 Ruger that i realized why my pistol shots are always low.

When i shoot a rifle, i sight with my right eye. And for some reason i was using my left to sight with the pistols :? What diff does it make? Well, point your finger at something in the room using both eyes. Now close your dominant eyeand see where your finger seems to pointing, then switch to your weak eye. Most people will see a difference :wink:

[RC45]

RC: I don't live in the UK, you ignorant prick. :wink:

Well - you have insinuated that many times - besides you sure act like liberal britocrat anytime you get - maybe if younother to put an accurate place name in your avatar we would know where you are from.


The FACT of the matter is that the Gepard (and others, including some made in the USA) are better than the Barrett, and that has nothing to do with the US in the slightest: it just is. Were you born in the US, RC? Is that why you have to wave the flag so hard, poephol.
If that was your inference why did you go to great pains to point out the origin of each?

So - is the south african afrikaans refence a clue?

If only you bothered waving a flag - any flag. Seems you are not proud of where you live.

[RC45]

1) As much as i like seeing RC fluster people in US vs The World arguments, would you please take it to the Political Forum?

I would if he had anything worthwhile to say there.. :P


2) If this gun is so useless, why is every other country purchasing them? Sweden was the first country to buy them. It was a Canadian sniper team that took out the insurgents from 2430 meters through a tin cover.

3) in the segment the gun is going through 3 feet of cinder block form well over 1000 meters and penetrating a thick plate of steel from nearly the same distance. With regular bullets. not explosive tips.

4) It's a multi purpose sniper rifle. who gives a flying fuck if 14.5 mm makes more power than a 25mm. who has the longer, more accurate range in under 10 seconds delivering 10 rounds down range?

You aren't going for muzzle velocity in a sniper rifle. You are going for effective accuracy from as far away as possible. hell, effective accuracy is the point of any firearm. But 2700 fps does make for a flatter trajectory after 1+ miles :D

I am guessing this chap is not the greatest firearm buff either?

[666fast]

i have alot of experience with a 44mag desert eagle from israel arms, and it was a very accurate handgun, but then again i also have been shooting since i was 9 years old. it was my fav, with the second fav handgun i used to target shoot with, a springfield armory 1911 .45...

I was looking at SA 1911 .45's as the potential purchase. Nice guns for the money. I was looking at the Mil Spec in particular.
There are a few others I'm interested in as well from Charles Daly and Kimber.
We'll see, it'll be a few weeks before I make a choice, so it's not like I don't have time to decide.

I also might go for a 9mm, just because ammo is a bit cheaper. LOL

[ZfrkS62]

2) If this gun is so useless, why is every other country purchasing them? Sweden was the first country to buy them. It was a Canadian sniper team that took out the insurgents from 2430 meters through a tin cover.

3) in the segment the gun is going through 3 feet of cinder block form well over 1000 meters and penetrating a thick plate of steel from nearly the same distance. With regular bullets. not explosive tips.

4) It's a multi purpose sniper rifle. who gives a flying fuck if 14.5 mm makes more power than a 25mm. who has the longer, more accurate range in under 10 seconds delivering 10 rounds down range?

You aren't going for muzzle velocity in a sniper rifle. You are going for effective accuracy from as far away as possible. hell, effective accuracy is the point of any firearm. But 2700 fps does make for a flatter trajectory after 1+ miles :D

I am guessing this chap is not the greatest firearm buff either?


what do you expect from someone who doesn't have the right to bear arms :wink:

[TeflonTron]

RC: I don't live in the UK, you ignorant prick. :wink:

Well - you have insinuated that many times - besides you sure act like liberal britocrat anytime you get - maybe if younother to put an accurate place name in your avatar we would know where you are from.


The FACT of the matter is that the Gepard (and others, including some made in the USA) are better than the Barrett, and that has nothing to do with the US in the slightest: it just is. Were you born in the US, RC? Is that why you have to wave the flag so hard, poephol.
If that was your inference why did you go to great pains to point out the origin of each?

So - is the south african afrikaans refence a clue?

If only you bothered waving a flag - any flag. Seems you are not proud of where you live.

So, the fact that I come across as a Liberal to you makes you assume that I live in England, does it? Am I to infer then, that from your self-righteous, right-wing postings that you live in 1930s Germany? I wasn't aware that my, or anyone's, exact location was that important to you. However, maybe it is, as you love nothing better than putting people in neat little boxes, don't you? Is that all that your brain can digest?

I didn't go to great lengths to point out the origins, laaitle, just that there are alternatives to the iconic Barrett. You then went on a pro-American rant by saying that I was knocking your adopted country (funny how you didn't answer my question about your Nationality or place of birth, isn't it?) and generally acting like the supercilious person that you are.

[abbor]

We have .50 cal sniper rifles in my battalion, although I don't know if it is this one, and the snipers haven't used it yet, but I think they'll have them when they go to Afghanistan...

[RC45]

So, the fact that I come across as a Liberal to you makes you assume that I live in England, does it?

No - the fact you sometimes posted common "yeah thats right" and "I can identify" style responses to posts made by poms that referenced local discussions... isn't that right ross...



Am I to infer then, that from your self-righteous, right-wing postings that you live in 1930s Germany?

Uhm - considering that nothing I have ever posted comes close to a nationalist bent but rather a freedom from all control and interence angle, only a complete idiot would even contemplate such a foolish notion.


I wasn't aware that my, or anyone's, exact location was that important to you.

It's not just "for me" - but it is common courtesy to allow people to be aware of you current location (country at least) while trying to participate in a community and conduct discussions.

After all, what good would it be if you aksed "Know any good BMW service centers around?" And some one answered - sure, down at the corner of Main and Voortrekker road you'll find a great BMW dealer - it would be of nop use to you if you don't live outside Kuilsrivier would it?

It's also nice to know how great of a mastery of the english language people have so you can conduct decent and appropriate discussions.

So - if you pulled your liberla cone head out of your pompous arese long enouhg to be able to catch a breath of fresh air, you would know and understand that its just fukcing good manners to know your audience.


However, maybe it is, as you love nothing better than putting people in neat little boxes, don't you? Is that all that your brain can digest?

Uhm - again - you uncouth unsocial trilobite - it's good manners and polite to be aware of where your audience is from.


I didn't go to great lengths to point out the origins, laaitle, just that there are alternatives to the iconic Barrett.

You did - its in your original post.


You then went on a pro-American rant by saying that I was knocking your adopted country (funny how you didn't answer my question about your Nationality or place of birth, isn't it?)

There was nothing pro-american about anythign I posted - it was simply a counter point to yet another of you thinly and poorly disguised anti-us rants.

There is nothing secret about my naitonality or country of birth - never has been, and never will be.

You seem to be going to great lengths to hide yours though.


and generally acting like the supercilious person that you are.
Not even worth a reply.

[Shinigami]

There's an airsoft rifle copy of the barrett, weighs over 20 kilos and uses larger BB pellets. I'd love one, but the cost is also much higher, something like $2000 (used to be $5000).

I used to have a PSG1 (looks awesome) with the muzzle tip like the Barrett's. I had it running at 450fps or so. Was an awesome gun, broke a guys nose with it when I shot him from close range (oooer...). Although it was in a legitimate airsoft match, so we all knew of the dangers...

Nice clip tho' :)

[gucom]

lol at the risk of getting caught up in yet another useless discussion here on JW, and maybe even stirring it up again, i seriously dont think the post made by teflontron was anti-us. If i say there's a more powerful car than the Saleen S7 twin turbo produced by Bugatti and that the bugatti also has a nicer interior, for instance, its not an anti-US post its a comparison between 2 products of which 1 happens to be from the US.

Seriously, where in this post do you see anything anti-US?

The US doesn't need to worry about its enemies getting hold of Barretts, as the Hungarian Gepard is also available, and that is more powerful and more accurate, not to mention that there is also a 14.5mm version that is twice as powerful as the Barrett.

Barrett itself acknowledges the M107 isn't the most accurate weapon in the world, they also produce a bolt-action rifle (also .50 i believe) that they themselves say is more accurate than the M107. The most accurate rifles in the world aren't .50s i believe, they're mostly 7.62 bolt-action sniper rifles afaik.

not that any of this is gonna convince RC45, since i'm saying it :roll:

[TeflonTron]

Well, if RC45 thinks that I must do something, then I must do it. Afterall, he is the Lord and Master of the Universe and all that is in it.

That being said, I find it implausible that anyone could possibly think that my original post, or any of them since, are anti-American, as all that I did, as gucom pointed out, was mention that there are better choices than the Barrett and that those choices are far more likely to fall into the enemy's hands, so there is no need to worry about the Barrett. Somehow this gets turned (yet again) by RC45 into someone saying something bad about the US. Oh, and talking of commone courtesies, RC45: learn how to type, spell and use Grammar.

[RC45]

Well, if RC45 thinks that I must do something, then I must do it. Afterall, he is the Lord and Master of the Universe and all that is in it.

Why would you assume that? - ross... from the UK..


That being said, I find it implausible that anyone could possibly think that my original post, or any of them since, are anti-American, as all that I did, as gucom pointed out, was mention that there are better choices than the Barrett and that those choices are far more likely to fall into the enemy's hands, so there is no need to worry about the Barrett.

Nope - you specifically took the time to say what you did - you have a pattern of anti-us rhetoric - that's your track record.. not mine.


Somehow this gets turned (yet again) by RC45 into someone saying something bad about the US. Oh, and talking of commone courtesies, RC45: learn how to type, spell and use Grammar.
My typing, spelling and grammar use if far better than yours has ever been - but the fact I don't take the time to correct common types or mistypings when talking down to you is par for the course... the same way I woulded stop to take the time to piss in your mouht if your teeth were on fire, I coulnt be bovvered wif spellin stuff right - yeah?

[TeflonTron]

:lol:

Ah, the little mouse is getting all worked up. Your spelling and grammar is better than mine? LMFAO. You really do think very highly of yourself, don't you? The fact of the situation is this: that you cannot stand the fact that I am right in what I am saying, and right in what I said, so you get all worked up over yourself and start spewing banal insults at me in the hope of trying to get me to do the same, and as a way of making yourself feel better. It's transparent, pathetic and obvious. What is also pathetic is the fact that you've taken the time to try and dig up information on me from the internet. Why would you do that? Having fantasies about me? I'm too old for you anyway. You are a sad man with no loyalties, yet you try and pass yourself off as a supreme knowledge on anything and everything, but it won't wash: not with myself, or the numerous others that have seen through you.

Oh, please: find 5 anti-American things that I have said here. Go on, find them. Oh, you can't? How strange.

[RC45]

:lol:

Ah, the little mouse is getting all worked up. Your spelling and grammar is better than mine? LMFAO.

It is far better than yours.. but then again you do consider yourself of superior breeding... why else would you suckup to allanlambo so much if this were not the case?

You make a point of using eloquant language and presenting yourself as a toffynosed pompous uppercrust snob - no doubt because your roots are in the squalid public housing estates of the filthy hidden underside of the british ghetto...


You really do think very highly of yourself, don't you?

Obviously not as highly as you think of yourself.


The fact of the situation is this: that you cannot stand the fact that I am right in what I am saying, and right in what I said, so you get all worked up over yourself and start spewing banal insults at me in the hope of trying to get me to do the same, and as a way of making yourself feel better.

You have never been correct - ever. In fact, even when you have posted in "car discusio" threads, you rinformaiotn is incorrect, 3rd hand and anecdotal at best.

Your opinions are based on flawed data and your knowledge is generaly of poor standard.


It's transparent, pathetic and obvious. What is also pathetic is the fact that you've taken the time to try and dig up information on me from the internet. Why would you do that?

Nothing to dig up.

You decided to try "pretend you're not from the UK" to hopefully make it seem as thouhg I despise your liberal views just because I assumed the liberal view was related to your being in the UK...

When in fact I despise your cowardly views - well, just because of your views.

Oh - and also validated I was correct all along - as much as you tried to "catch me out".

And regarding "dig up" - google and "teflontron ross" is all thats needed...


Having fantasies about me? I'm too old for you anyway. You are a sad man with no loyalties, yet you try and pass yourself off as a supreme knowledge on anything and everything, but it won't wash: not with myself, or the numerous others that have seen through you.

Sad because you say so? Thats pretty superior.. especially for guy that has posted pictures of his genitals online.

I have never attempted to pass myself off as knowing anything let alone everything - but when I see you (and that was often) post absolute crap as if it the gospel, you can bet I will clal you on it.. and I did - and it pissed you off no end.


Oh, please: find 5 anti-American things that I have said here. Go on, find them. Oh, you can't? How strange.

Don't try insult all the readers of this.. you have so many anti-us posts it isnt even funny.

[c0wb0y007]

RC45,

Looks like you are having a hard time out here :D 8)


Cheers

[gucom]

RC do u realise ur being an absolute joke who's blowing up things to about a quarter of a billion times the size they are?
im not gonna get involved in this anymore, but let me just say that in the 2,5 years ive been here on JW i have very rarely, if ever, seen you use such pathetic arguments as you have in this topic, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to make this kind of deal out of absolutely nothing.

[RC45]

RC45,

Looks like you are having a hard time out here :D 8)


Cheers

Actually you are right.. I can hardly see for the tears of laughter as I try picture this bloke and his "superiorority" in real life.. so yes, I am having a hard time.. :)

[RC45]

RC do u realise ur being an absolute joke who's blowing up things to about a quarter of a billion times the size they are?
im not gonna get involved in this anymore, but let me just say that in the 2,5 years ive been here on JW i have very rarely, if ever, seen you use such pathetic arguments as you have in this topic, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to make this kind of deal out of absolutely nothing.

No need to get involved then ;) And what arguments? Perhaps the english is too complex - but there are is no discusison happening - this guy simply tried to make out like he wasn't from the UK - and got called on it.

If he isnt from the UK, he sure has gone to a lot of trouble to make people think he is...

This chap is like a boil on your arse.. and gets in the way when you try take a shit...

[TeflonTron]

If I have so many anti-US posts then find some of them. Oh, you can't? You disappoint me.

For you to even imagine that your spelling and grammar are better than mine suggests to me that you are either blind, a liar or delusional. It's definitely two out of the three.

Where did I try and pretend that I'm not from the UK? I simply told you that I saw no need to fill in the space for my location. However, this again gets twisted in your little mind into something else. I'm also glad that you have never tried to pass yourself off as knowing anything (for that would be a lie too). Run along now and play like the Afrikaaner Redneck that you are, and wave your fake-American flag just that little bit higher tonight. As I said, you have no loyalties: at least none that are strong enough to have stopped you abandoning your motherland and pretending to be something that you're not.

Do you hear that? What can it be? Oh, it's die stem van Suid Afrika....

[RC45]

If I have so many anti-US posts then find some of them. Oh, you can't? You disappoint me.

People have read them.


For you to even imagine that your spelling and grammar are better than mine suggests to me that you are either blind, a liar or delusional. It's definitely two out of the three.

And you are basing your assessment on what? The intardnet?


Where did I try and pretend that I'm not from the UK?

Well - this was your statement:

RC: I don't live in the UK, you ignorant prick.
Pretty strong denial.


I simply told you that I saw no need to fill in the space for my location. However, this again gets twisted in your little mind into something else.

sure..


I'm also glad that you have never tried to pass yourself off as knowing anything (for that would be a lie too).

What I am sure of, is that I have more knowledge about anything than you do... but that wouldn't be too hard now would it. :)


Run along now and play like the Afrikaaner Redneck that you are, and wave your fake-American flag just that little bit higher tonight.

And here we have the root cause of your arsehole attitude.. you seem to hate me because you think I am an afrikaner... so here we have you pretending to be the high and mighty world loving liberal - and you have prejudged me as an "ignorant rockspider van der merwe redneck (although if you knew anything at all, you would know that rooinek - redneck - is a derogatory term used BY afrikaners against english speaking south africans. - so again you just demonstrated your ignorance.)

I am guessing you have visited South Africa once or twice - or you yourself are an expat and harbour deepset hatred for all things ZA.


As I said, you have no loyalties:

Is this the same view you hold of all those Pakis that moved to the UK - as part of the Commonwealth freedom of movement and emigration pacts?

Do you despise all those jamaicans who call the UK home - because they "abandoned" their homelands?

Seems to me you are just another liberal racist mother fucker. Caught out in your own world of lies and hatred.


at least none that are strong enough to have stopped you abandoning your motherland and pretending to be something that you're not.

I guess you are too bitter and angst filled to even consider that some people want to move around the world and relocate - of course thats unless you feel that is wrong and evil.


Do you hear that? What can it be? Oh, it's die stem van Suid Afrika....

What a hate filled sorry cockarsed dickwad you are turning out to be.

[RC45]

Anyway - this thread has gone OT enough - you gun-lovers can have it back. :P

[TeflonTron]

Since when does "I don't live in the UK" mean the same as "I'm not from the UK"? Did you pass reading comprehension at school?

Your MO is simple: anytime someone disagrees with you you have to find something to label them as. If someone says that not all Muslims are Terrorists then you call them a Terrorist-Supporter. If someone says that they believe in reforms then they are a wishy-washy Liberal. If someone says that they want better Gas milage then they are a tree-hugger, and if someone calls you out on what you are, then you try and discredit them as a racist who "hates Pakis".

Nothing wrong with moving fom country to country, but there is something wrong when bitter people preach that we should love America as the holiest of the holy when they aren't even American themselves. Grow an identity already, poes.

[RC45]

Since when does "I don't live in the UK" mean the same as "I'm not from the UK"? Did you pass reading comprehension at school?

So yet again you grey the air with more of your supposed intellectual bullshit.

You got called out for being a prick and now you are backpedalling.

If you don't live int he UK - then where do you live?


Your MO is simple: anytime someone disagrees with you you have to find something to label them as.

Yep - and you are the number one cunt.


If someone says that not all Muslims are Terrorists then you call them a Terrorist-Supporter.

More bullshit - considering I have always said "not all muslims are terrorists" - so try another one.


If someone says that they believe in reforms then they are a wishy-washy Liberal.

Reforms? WTF are you on about? You liberal jackass?


If someone says that they want better Gas milage then they are a tree-hugger,

Nope - never said that - but I have said if you complain about drilling for more oil your a pot smoking treehugger.


and if someone calls you out on what you are, then you try and discredit them as a racist who "hates Pakis".

Nope - you are the one who decided that emigration and immigration are cowardly acts.


Nothing wrong with moving fom country to country,

Now you are contradicting yourself?


but there is something wrong when bitter people preach that we should love America as the holiest of the holy when they aren't even American themselves.

Now you are spewing utter crap - I don't care or even want you to like the USA - in fact, the less you like the place the better - but there is no reason to use every opportunity you can to make snide and sarcastic remarks and throw derogatory statements or even insinuate same... every chance you get.


Grow an identity already, poes.
Hmmm. what's with the continual references to afrikaans?

You still think I am an afrikaner?

Man - you are the most pathetic person online - you have gone out of your way to foster a hatred for another person just because you have mistaken their origin and identity... that makes you the most hate-filled racist on this forum.

I on the other hand just dislike you for no reason other than you are an arse-hole.

Now - do mind letting the real gun-owners have their thread back?

p.s. it's a long time since I have had this much fun thoroughly disliking someone... my level of disdane and dislike for you has reached such an extreme level, I have re-entered the scale at the humour and fun end...

I am so enjoying this - its a hoot.

[TeflonTron]

LOL. "Grey the air" by pointing out that you need to learn how to read? It isn't my fault that you cannot understand the difference between living somewhere and being from somewhere.

Again, you try and paint me as someone who makes all of these Anti-American statements, yet you have still failed to actually provide any of them. Do it. Post a few statements of mine where I've said that I hate America, or even dislike it. However, you can't. You know why? Because I've never said any such thing.

You're so full of shit.

And again, for the record: America shouldn't worry about the "badguys" getting hold of Barretts, as there are cheaper, better and more readily available versions elsewhere.

[RC45]

I don't feel like reading all of y'alls arguments in all the different topics but can we please end it so that all of the topics don't turn into y'all arguing, it's just stupid

Then don't read them - it's not rocket science now is it?

[RC45]

LOL. "Grey the air" by pointing out that you need to learn how to read? It isn't my fault that you cannot understand the different between living somewhere and being from somewhere.

prick - it is obvious what the difference is between "living some where" and "being from somewhere" are.

You previously made out you LIVED in the UK.

If you no longer live there, then how baout telling us where you live?

Again, you try and paint me as someone who makes all of these Anti-American statements, yet you have still failed to actually provide any of them. Do it. Post a few statements of mine where I've said that I hate America, or even dislike it. However, you can't. You know why? Because I've never said any such thing.


We are long past that bit - we are now onto the bit where you mistook me to be an afrikaans speaking South African and tried to spew hate and anger - but got called out on this point.

How about we talk abou tthat part? Where got caught out by your own bullshit?


You're so full of shit.

And again, for the record: America shouldn't worry about the "badguys" getting hold of Barretts, as there are cheaper, better and more readily available versions elsewhere.
What has that got to do with the fact you went on a tyrade trying to make out I am an afrikaner?

I am just going to go make a new topic, to get this out of the gun thread.

[TeflonTron]

Well, given that this whole thread went to hell when you said that I was bashing America, and continued to say that I hate America and make anti-American posts every day, I only think it fair that you actually show some of these posts. Afterall, they can't be hard to find as they are so numerous....

I "previously made out that I lived in the UK"? When was that? Maybe it was when I lived in the UK? Now, there's a thought.....

[RC45]

I "previously made out that I lived in the UK"? When was that? Maybe it was when I lived in the UK? Now, there's a thought.....

And your point?

If in fact you did once live in the UK, that implies that you no longer live there - which in turn means you either emigrated or are on work assignment of some kind.

If you emigrated, then you seem to show no loyalty or affinity to your new home, which would make you a perfect candidate to commit treason and undermine the government of you new home - and in fact makes you exactly what you tried to pain me as.

And if on work assignment you seem to have upheld the "typical british expat behaviour" of continually whining and insinuating its better "back home".

So which is it?

And it is interesting you seem to have completely forgotten about your hatefilled tyrade thrown at me when you thouhg I was an afrikaner.

Oh - and here is but one of many of your anti-US posts...

So are we here to impress anybody?

The world complains when we do something, the world complains when we do nothing.

The country that has LED the global economy for over 200 years, the country that ended World War I and II (because the French and Brits couldn’t), the Country that Ended the Cold War, the Country that changed history, the Country that every foreigner wants to immigrate too, the Country that has changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people worldwide, the Country that is home to the most innovation and technological advancements any humans have seen in history (in a short 230 years), the Country that Changed the World for the better will always be criticized.

Every nation relies on the Americans to fix all the problems in the world, if you’re so fucking wonderful, step up to the plate, I IMPLORE YOU!!!

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder, but jealousy is much worse.

The United States of America is the Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave, Can’t say that with the Queen at the helm in Britain, why do you think so many left?

Oh, please. The Russians ended WWII more than the USA (or at minimum, just as much) by draining and tying up Germany's resources, and there was only a Cold War because of how the US dealt with the fallout of WWII with the Russians (the same reason why there was a Korean War, and a Viet Nam, as well as the reason why there is still a North and South Korea today) in the first place. As for America being home to the greatest technological advancements in History, I think that the Romans, Ancient Greeks, Chinese and Arabic Scholers may have something to say about that.

Lots of Countries have changed History, so you'll need to elaborate a little on that, and it's arrogant in the extreme to presume that every foreigner wants to move to the US.Arrogant, and untrue. How has the US changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people around the world? McDonalds? Coke? Nike? I don't really see those as things to look up to, do you?

So, again: in what ways has the US changed the world for the better?

[TeflonTron]

Please: find some of those anti-American posts that I keep on making. :sleeping:

Yes, my posts on the Barrett rifle make me a "perfect candidate to commit treason and undermine the government" here... Where do you come up with this stuff? RC, Mork from Ork is calling.

Oh, thanks for that post. Because pointing out that the Cold War was instigated by the American and Russian policies at the end of WWII is anti-American, right?

[RC45]

Please: find some of those anti-American po0sts that I keep on making. :sleeping:

See above


Yes, my posts on the Barrett rifle make me a "perfect candidate to commit treason and undermine the government" here... Where do you come up with this stuff? RC, Mork from Ork is calling.

Nice try - but this is what I posted..

If you emigrated, then you seem to show no loyalty or affinity to your new home, which would make you a perfect candidate to commit treason and undermine the government of you new home - and in fact makes you exactly what you tried to pain me as.


Nothing about a gun in there... looks like you have been called out as the liar and piece of crap you are.

Lets get back to why you went off like a 2 year old when you thought I was an afrikaner?

That sort of makes you a hatefilled racists - doesn't it?

[TeflonTron]

"Barret rifle thread". Is that clearer for your little brain? How does my not typing in a few words that are required for your tiny brain to understand it equate to being a liar? Again, is this your flimflam logic at work?

[TeflonTron]

Oh, so because I say that you're an Afrikiaaner Redneck that makes me a racist? As opposed to you calling me a Britocrat etc, not making you a racist? Shall I get the dictionary out so you understand the meaning of racism and xenophobia et al?

[RC45]

"Barret rifle thread". Is that clearer for your little brain? How does my not typing in a few words that are required for your tiny brain to understand it equate to being a liar? Again, is this your flimflam logic at work?

Nice try - however I never once limited anything to this thread.. I don't like you or anyhting you post - anywhere period.. so when you posted you thinly disguised anti-us reply I called you on it.

Again - in plain view for all to see, you make no reference for all your derogatory rantings when you thought I was an afrikaner.

What is it like to be a racist and prehate people just based on who and what you thought they were?

So you have been called out and proven to be a liar, racist and a possible traitor where you live - you have implied you no longer live in the UK, but dispise people who emigrate.

Seems like you are all over the place as you try to misdirect attention from yourself.

Maybe it will just be easier if you were banned.

Oh, so because I say that you're an Afrikiaaner Redneck that makes me a racist? As opposed to you calling me a Britocrat etc, not making you a racist? Shall I get the dictionary out so you understand the meaning of racism and xenophobia et al?
Well - again - if you knew half as much as you claim to know, you would be aware that there is nosuch thing as an afrikaner redneck.

You are racist - as you displayed racial prejudice and discrimination in your derogatory and hate filled rantings - which you made solely on the assumption that I was part of the afrikaner race...

Of course this does not quite fit perfectly in the common definiton of racism which perports that it is a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race - and this definition while academically "correct" fails to recognize the fact that it's not just the "belief in the inherent superiority" that is a problem - it is also the baseless hatred of these "inferior" races that is at the root of the term.

From this it is simply to see you and your actions were and are racist.

Anyhooo - I am tired of this game now... I'm off to have dinner and watch some telly - most likely some classic british entertainment like Benny Hill - I mean thats all you guys are good for right? Oh - and crooked teeth (which are supposedly a great way to filter the warm beer)

:bye:

[TeflonTron]

LOL. Banned for what? Pointing out what a complete ass you are? It's one rule for you and one rule for everyone else, isn't it? You tell me that you hate me based on other events and nothing to do with this thread, but then tell me that I hate and prejudge people? Hello Pot, this is Kettle calling. Moreover, which racist/derogatory remarks did I make against you? Were they based on skin color, or religion, or just the fact that I thought/think that you are a Redneck from South Africa? Lastly, what have I lied about? When I lived in England I said that I lived in England. At the moment I'm not in England, so consequently I don't say that I'm in England. Not my fault that your brain can't grasp this idea. Don't even start with the traitor vibe.

[RC45]

Just before I go...

LOL. Banned for what? Pointing out what a complete ass you are? It's one rule for you and one rule for everyone else, isn't it?

No - banned because you're an arse. Nuff said to that


You tell me that you hate me based on other events and nothing to do with this thread, but then tell me that I hate and prejudge people? Hello Pot, this is Kettle calling.

You just grate me the wrong way - thats enough reason for hate right there.


Moreover, which racist/derogatory remarks did I make against you? Were they based on skin color, or religion, or just the fact that I thought/think that you are a Redneck from South Africa?

Your entire statement was hate filled and angry and directed towards those of the afrikaans race..

Oh - you do know that a redneck is someone of british descent - right?


Lastly, what have I lied about? When I lived in England I said that I lived in England. At the moment I'm not in England, so consequently I don't say that I'm in England. Not my fault that your brain can't grasp this idea. Don't even start with the traitor vibe.

No - you're a liar because you failed to disclose yourself as an idiot on your applicaition form.

Well - you eluded to CT - so are you in fact in the US you despise so much? Or Cape Town? If the latter, then maybe we'll get lucky and the tsotsies will take care of you one night.

[TeflonTron]

Yes, I know the etymology of the term "redneck", and I also know that you are of British descent yourself: so what is your point?

Glad to know that you are such a cowardly person as to wish death on me simply because I grate against you. Says a lot about you.

[RC45]

Yes, I know the etymology of the term "redneck", and I also know that you are of British descent yourself: so what is your point?

Glad to know that you are such a cowardly person as to wish death on me simply because I grate against you. Says a lot about you.

Death? Where? Just because I mentioned tsotsies?

What's wrong with wishing that they take care of you one night? The tsotsies throw a great party and really know how to take of their guests...

Unless you are once again showing your racist side and presume that tsotsies are all murderers... thats about as racist as you can get.

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I guess you win - I'm tired of this game now - I have increased my post count without visiting the spammers thread so you have served your purpose.

Tell you what - just to boost your ego.. let's say you won and call it a day.

:fist:

[TeflonTron]

Yes, I know the etymology of the term "redneck", and I also know that you are of British descent yourself: so what is your point?

Glad to know that you are such a cowardly person as to wish death on me simply because I grate against you. Says a lot about you.

Death? Where? Just because I mentioned tsotsies?

What's wrong with wishing that they take care of you one night? The tsotsies throw a great party and really know how to take of their guests...

Unless you are once again showing your racist side and presume that tsotsies are all murderers... thats about as racist as you can get.

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I guess you win - I'm tired of this game now - I have increased my post count without visiting the spammers thread so you have served your purpose.

Tell you what - just to boost your ego.. let's say you won and call it a day.

:fist:

Oh please: it's patently obvious that you mentioned them as a way of wishing me harm. You know, it is okay to come out and say it: I won't hold it against you.

Congratulations on your increase postcount.

[RC45]

Oh please: it's patently obvious that you mentioned them as a way of wishing me harm.


No it's not.

Just because you say so, doesn't make it so.

But getting back to the tsotsies... it seems you have a deep seated hatred and racist view of under privileged black street orphans...

You really are a despicable individual.. you just assume because they are poor, black and live on the street, they must be criminals - and murderers.

What a terribly racist outlook you have.

Very sad indeed.

Looks like you tripped yourself up with your own words.

... but never the less, you win.

[TeflonTron]

You are too much. Are you now saying that all Tsotsies are poor and live on the street? Is that a stereotype........

Besides which, I thought that you'd fucked off by now?

[666fast]

Guns are sweet, stupid arguements aren't.

What do you think? Is it me? Will it make me look awesome?
These are what I'm currently looking at, not sure which I might buy.

Springfield 1911 .45 ACP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/a1/PB9108L.jpg

Charles Daly 1911 EMS .45 ACP
http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/firearms/pistols/1911/field/Field%20EMS.jpg

Charles Daly Empire EFS (link cause it's a big pic)
http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/firearms/pistols/1911/empire_superior/Empire%20EFS.jpg

Kimber 1911 .45 Custom II There isbonus to the Kimbers as they make a rimfire conversion as well. it's a new slide, barrel and magazine to shoot .22 and .17 Mach 2 ammo
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/custom/custom.jpg


A friend is trying to get me to buy his Taurus 1911 .45 ACP that he just bought just a few weeks ago. The finish is already coming off of the damn thing. It's fixable, but it being a brand new gun, it's going ot have a few problems. Not sure I want to deal with it. Overall it's a nice gun though.

[TeflonTron]

Kimber make very good quality guns, but they are expensive.

[RC45]

Kimber make very good quality guns, but they are expensive.

Hhm.. I wonder if it's a federal offense for a work/study visa resident in the US to possess firearms?

Or at the very least have an unhealthy fascination with firearms.

Especially if the same has made no secret about their disdane for the US and it's policies?

[ZfrkS62]

Besides which, I thought that you'd fucked off by now?


he never fucks off. He just slinks around the shadows and waits for you to say something stupid again...then the whole cycle starts over :lol:

[TeflonTron]

Kimber make very good quality guns, but they are expensive.

Hhm.. I wonder if it's a federal offense for a work/study visa resident in the US to possess firearms?

Or at the very least have an unhealthy fascination with firearms.

Especially if the same has made no secret about their disdane for the US and it's policies?

No, it isn't. Anyone with a VISA to live in the US can legally own firearms as long as they don't have a criminal record. Not that answering someone's questions gives me an "unhealthy fascination" with firearms.

Any other questions? Feel free to ask.

[nthfinity]

Any other questions? Feel free to ask.


why are you such a turd burgler?

[RC45]

No, it isn't. Anyone with a VISA to live in the US can legally own firearms as long as they don't have a criminal record. Not that answering someone's questions gives me an "unhealthy fascination" with firearms.

Any other questions? Feel free to ask.

So you are now living in the US.... hhhmm... with an obvious disloyalty to the country... and you have perhaps aquired firearms.

Perhaps you feel so strongly about your dislike for the US and have so much disdain for the system that you feel you will need to bring about change in your own violent way.

Sounds to me like you are a security risk.

And this from the same person who not so long ago posted about how noone in their right midn wants to come to US.

So - heres a question?

What the fuck are you doing here? And when are you leaving?

[TeflonTron]

Any other questions? Feel free to ask.


why are you such a turd burgler?

You still sucking on RC's cock, eh nth? How's it feel to be his Bitch?

[TeflonTron]

No, it isn't. Anyone with a VISA to live in the US can legally own firearms as long as they don't have a criminal record. Not that answering someone's questions gives me an "unhealthy fascination" with firearms.

Any other questions? Feel free to ask.

So you are now living in the US.... hhhmm... with an obvious disloyalty to the country... and you have perhaps aquired firearms.

Perhaps you feel so strongly about your dislike for the US and have so much disdain for the system that you feel you will need to bring about change in your own violent way.

Sounds to me like you are a security risk.

And this from the same person who not so long ago posted about how noone in their right midn wants to come to US.

So - heres a question?

What the fuck are you doing here? And when are you leaving?

Yes, I must be living in the US because I answered a question on guns. I must also live in Space because I can answer a question on Stars, or live in the Ocean because I can answer questions on water. Great logic you have there, RC. Great indeed. I also like how your logic extends to me being a security risk because I answered a question on guns. You'd better give the CIA a call about the NRA then.

[nthfinity]

Any other questions? Feel free to ask.


why are you such a turd burgler?

You still sucking on RC's cock, eh nth? How's it feel to be his Bitch?

welcome to the school of independant thought.

are you gay?

you are almost certainly a pedo

http://www.hitmanforum.com/forum/index.php?s=0d534c444340550e1421e560b0e80b98&showtopic=13129&st=2660&p=332492&#entry332492

judging by the photos you post, the words used there.

is there anything wrong with being gay?

well, as long as you dont interfere with my life. just know that the dicks exist for vaginal penetration, and pissing.

yet.... what else is wrong?

you are posting photos of your dick on the internet. that is fucking pedo, gay, and extra pedo.

so why dont you get owned by bert and veritas some more there

[TeflonTron]

nth: is there a particular reason why you are getting involved in this? RC's a big man now, so why don't you let him fight his own fight, so to speak.

[ZfrkS62]

:popcorn:

[RC45]

nth: is there a particular reason why you are getting involved in this? RC's a big man now, so why don't you let him fight his own fight, so to speak.

What fight?

I just want you to come clean tha your staying the US of A now.

After all that inflamatory anti-US crap you posted easrlier.

Looks like you should never have said - never.

Need I remind you of your words???


Oh, please. The Russians ended WWII more than the USA (or at minimum, just as much) by draining and tying up Germany's resources, and there was only a Cold War because of how the US dealt with the fallout of WWII with the Russians (the same reason why there was a Korean War, and a Viet Nam, as well as the reason why there is still a North and South Korea today) in the first place. As for America being home to the greatest technological advancements in History, I think that the Romans, Ancient Greeks, Chinese and Arabic Scholers may have something to say about that.

Lots of Countries have changed History, so you'll need to elaborate a little on that, and it's arrogant in the extreme to presume that every foreigner wants to move to the US. Arrogant, and untrue. How has the US changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people around the world? McDonalds? Coke? Nike? I don't really see those as things to look up to, do you?

So, again: in what ways has the US changed the world for the better?

[nthfinity]

nth: is there a particular reason why you are getting involved in this? RC's a big man now, so why don't you let him fight his own fight, so to speak.

why? i'll tell you why

1. I love my country
2. I have no love of people hating my country; let alone people who come here because of its greatness, yet still loath it.
3. You have proved yourself a Grade A dickhead time and time again in many threads here, and other forums under the guise of being misinformed, yet still a know-it-all.
4. and most importantly

Nth is like a Mini-RC45.

Anyone agree?



think what you want, but you clearly dislike me.

where on earth does this mini-RC45 statement come from. that was in a thread about the McLaren F1's handling problems. I was its proprieter; and the threads' defender. what i brought to the thread was an opinion of 2 owners, and one video showing what the owners describe. what was furthere'd in the thread was an additional 2 owners confirming those handling balance issues.

no matter what some people said, that thread became a 5 point logical arguement, and has nothing to do with RC's own thoughts on the F1... in fact, you'd be hard pressed to find him posting much of anything about it.

am i Mini-RC45 in the fact that i won't allow bullshit? sure :)
and I am seeing nothing but a steady stream of a cleaveland steamer coming from you.

[5vz-fe]

:popcorn:

LOL :popcorn: <-- grab from ZfrkS62

[TeflonTron]

nth: is there a particular reason why you are getting involved in this? RC's a big man now, so why don't you let him fight his own fight, so to speak.

What fight?

I just want you to come clean tha your staying the US of A now.

After all that inflamatory anti-US crap you posted easrlier.

Looks like you should never have said - never.

Need I remind you of your words???


Oh, please. The Russians ended WWII more than the USA (or at minimum, just as much) by draining and tying up Germany's resources, and there was only a Cold War because of how the US dealt with the fallout of WWII with the Russians (the same reason why there was a Korean War, and a Viet Nam, as well as the reason why there is still a North and South Korea today) in the first place. As for America being home to the greatest technological advancements in History, I think that the Romans, Ancient Greeks, Chinese and Arabic Scholers may have something to say about that.

Lots of Countries have changed History, so you'll need to elaborate a little on that, and it's arrogant in the extreme to presume that every foreigner wants to move to the US. Arrogant, and untrue. How has the US changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people around the world? McDonalds? Coke? Nike? I don't really see those as things to look up to, do you?

So, again: in what ways has the US changed the world for the better?

Why would you need to remind me of my own words? The statement is true and supported by both fact and history. Korea is split in two due to the US-USSR agreement after WWII. If you don't accept that then you are a Revisionist. Now, can anyone, aside from nth and RC show me anything in that (out of context) statement that is anti-US, as opposed to pointing out what happened in history?

[RC45]

Ahhh - so you are living in the USa now.....

... you are partaking of the very system you previously loathed.

Why didn't you stay in the UK?

And if you are now in the USA,. shouldn't you pick a loyalty?

Why did you abandon your motherland?

Is it because you really have an alteria motive?

Where do your loyalties lie?

The USA or UK or Iran?

[TeflonTron]

Iran.

[nthfinity]

Now, can anyone, aside from nth and RC show me anything in that (out of context) statement that is anti-US



How has the US changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people around the world? McDonalds? Coke? Nike? I don't really see those as things to look up to, do you?


right there.

what did the romans do, build roads. most everything else was lost.
what did the chinese do? a lot in china; not anything anywhere else til gunpowder was barrowed a thousand years later.
what did the egyptians do? build massive magaliths that we see today.

what has america done? well, there is so much there is no way i can begin to describe.

satalite TV
geosynchronous orbit
satalite almost everything
internet
weapons
cars
architecture
phones
planes
computers
wealth to make the world economy churn (since we import so much more then we export)
consume
manufacturing
space exploration
NRAO/ NOAO
NWS
GPS
GOES-8
safety for the rest of the word
enforcers of the UN, and our own interests
and advancements in all forms of every business and home sector

[RC45]

what did the chinese do? a lot in china; not anything anywhere else til gunpowder was barrowed a thousand years later.

what about noodles - didn't they give the italians pasta noodles as well? ;)

[RC45]

Iran.

The sad thing is - we know you are not joking.

[TeflonTron]

Iran.

The sad thing is - we know you are not joking.

Sarcasm is obviously too much for you, isn't it?

Iran is a nice place. Very hot though.

[ZfrkS62]

:popcorn:

LOL :popcorn: <-- grab from ZfrkS62

:slap:

[RC45]

Iran.

The sad thing is - we know you are not joking.

Sarcasm is obviously too much for you, isn't it?

Iran is a nice place. Very hot though.

Sarcasm - try that the next time you fly... should be a hoot to watch

Since you set out to prove you have the biggest dick... and have already posted custom pics to attempt to prove as much - I'll let you know now I won't be posting my on pictures... so let's just say once more... you win.

I concede.

You win.

[TeflonTron]

Iran.

The sad thing is - we know you are not joking.

Sarcasm is obviously too much for you, isn't it?

Iran is a nice place. Very hot though.

Sarcasm - try that the next time you fly... should be a hoot to watch

Nah, I hate flying.

This reminds me of Omid Djalili, who was stopped at the airport whilst going to the US. They took his passport and asked him what he did for a living, so he told them that he was a comedian. They security agent was not amused and said "well, if you're a comedian say something funny". Omid Djalilli replied, "well, I'm coming to the US for flying lessons".

They let him in.

[novass]

Guns are sweet, stupid arguements aren't.

What do you think? Is it me? Will it make me look awesome?
These are what I'm currently looking at, not sure which I might buy.

Springfield 1911 .45 ACP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/a1/PB9108L.jpg



I really like Springfields. I spent some quality time with a couple different versions. Some had some custom stuff done to them, dont ask me what though, im no gun expert. But I got to shoot all of these along with a large assortment of various handguns, rifles, semis etc. (about 60 different pieces on a private shooting range for a whole day)

I liked the Springfields and also the Sig Sauer 45, I want to get one of those I think, but I need to do some more shooting. I also found a rifle I like made by Kel-Tec.

Comes in a few different variations

http://www.kel-tec.com/su16ca.html
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/sub16ca_pic01.jpg

[RC45]

Now, can anyone, aside from nth and RC show me anything in that (out of context) statement that is anti-US



How has the US changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people around the world? McDonalds? Coke? Nike? I don't really see those as things to look up to, do you?


right there.

what did the romans do, build roads. most everything else was lost.
what did the chinese do? a lot in china; not anything anywhere else til gunpowder was barrowed a thousand years later.
what did the egyptians do? build massive magaliths that we see today.

what has america done? well, there is so much there is no way i can begin to describe.

satalite TV
geosynchronous orbit
satalite almost everything
internet
weapons
cars
architecture
phones
planes
computers
wealth to make the world economy churn (since we import so much more then we export)
consume
manufacturing
space exploration
NRAO/ NOAO
NWS
GPS
GOES-8
safety for the rest of the word
enforcers of the UN, and our own interests
and advancements in all forms of every business and home sector

Please, continue the list since you started. I'm interested to see what else is originally from USA.

It would be stupid to deny USAs wealth and might nowadays, but your list is just too funny. It is a task for generations long after us to judge if USA will be as significant nation as Greeks and Chinese are for an example.

Powder for your weapons is from China. Phone was invented by an Italian guy living in USA. Car was invented by German guys.
Architecture obvioulsy didn't exist before USA was built, but maybe the Greeks had some knowledge about it.
Boolean algebra can be considered the very basis of all the computers. It was invented by an English man.
Sputnik 1, Vostok 1 were from Russia, first on the orbit and in space.

Finland of course leads the world.... teflontron told me so

[pitfield]

Safety for the reast of the world, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ahaha ahahahhahah ahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahhahah haha ha ahah h aah aha
twats

[RC45]

Safety for the reast of the world, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ahaha ahahahhahah ahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahhahah haha ha ahah h aah aha
twats

What does your country contribute to the modern world?

It'd just a question... I wonder if you can answer it... oh - and how many guns are you allowed to legally own where you live?

This is of course a gun thread :)

[c0wb0y007]

I must say that I like guns, they look cool :-) Especially sniper rifles and this one (the barret 107M .50) even more.
The closest I have come to a gun thus far is a soft air gun :lol: But I would like to get my hands on a real gun and fire a few rounds with it. I'm thinking about a Sig Sauer or the very popular Glock :)

I'm reserved towards the arms race in the US, or any other country which has a lack policy towards this.
I'm not in the position to say lots about that issue, but I think there have to be much more restrictions according to what type of gun you are allowed to own. AS far as I know and as far I heard about it it isn't that much better in Belgium either. For instance, for a stupid light shotgun/sporting-gun you need a permit but on the other hand you don't need a permit for a big game rifle ... doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway, RC45 :) I think you have to be extra careful man 'cause according to me you are now on the Jabbasworld most wanted list ... any price on your head yet ? :D :D :lol:

Be carefull man !!! :P


Cheers

[rave426]

I dont really care about the argument........but SERIOUSLY

Can u pLeaase take that picture of a penis down. Im sure this forum is at least 98% men and getting a glimpse at a damn penis every other post is really annoying and uncalled for. I see mine everyday and I prefer not to see another one.

Like I said, i dont care about the argument, but it would be appreciated if you would take that down. Im sure others would agree, they just havnt said anything.

Now.....you fellas carry on :P

[RC45]

I dont really care about the argument........but SERIOUSLY

Can u pLeaase take that picture of a penis down. Im sure this forum is at least 98% men and getting a glimpse at a damn penis every other post is really annoying and uncalled for. I see mine everyday and I prefer not to see another one.

Like I said, i dont care about the argument, but it would be appreciated if you would take that down. Im sure others would agree, they just havnt said anything.

Now.....you fellas carry on :P

Hey - every user is free to set their avatar to what they want.. and if he chooses to use a picture of his own genitals -0 who are YOU to try prevent him?

That would be discriminaiton - no?

[nthfinity]

Please, continue the list since you started. I'm interested to see what else is originally from USA.

It would be stupid to deny USAs wealth and might nowadays, but your list is just too funny. It is a task for generations long after us to judge if USA will be as significant nation as Greeks and Chinese are for an example.

Powder for your weapons is from China. Phone was invented by an Italian guy living in USA. Car was invented by German guys.
Architecture obvioulsy didn't exist before USA was built, but maybe the Greeks had some knowledge about it.
Boolean algebra can be considered the very basis of all the computers. It was invented by an English man.
Sputnik 1, Vostok 1 were from Russia, first on the orbit and in space.


algebra, how 8th grade.

USA = advancements in macro phosics, astro phisics, nuclear phisics, etc. etc. etc. at least you could mention Newton's Calculus.

phone invented by an italian? what about Alexander Gram bell's telagraph; the pre-curser to the phone. ok.... so also, an italian living in USA.... the land of opertunity ;)

gun powder..
it took an american to develop smokeless gun powder 2 milenia later.

sputnik
what did spunik do for mankind that USA satilites didn't do better? I dont see the russians sending up the GOES 8 satalite, oir Russian GPS.

Computers
it took an american to discover the transistor

modern electronics
circuit boards, electrical thoery..... yup, all here.

modern flight.
sure the germans got in the air first wiht it, but the Turbine engine was created by Tesla, a immigrant.

Cars.
the germans didn't create the assembly line; and didn't bring 40,000,000 cars to the average man. before Ford, the car an elitist toy.

safety for the world.
Yup.

sorry mojo, but history has already decided

[ZfrkS62]

jumpin jesus on a pogo stick. this is STILL going? :lol: have you guys been at this all night????? :lol:

[TeflonTron]

RC: go fuck yourself, and stop changing my fucking Avatar. It isn't funny.

[rave426]

I dont really care about the argument........but SERIOUSLY

Can u pLeaase take that picture of a penis down. Im sure this forum is at least 98% men and getting a glimpse at a damn penis every other post is really annoying and uncalled for. I see mine everyday and I prefer not to see another one.

Like I said, i dont care about the argument, but it would be appreciated if you would take that down. Im sure others would agree, they just havnt said anything.

Now.....you fellas carry on :P

Hey - every user is free to set their avatar to what they want.. and if he chooses to use a picture of his own genitals -0 who are YOU to try prevent him?

That would be discriminaiton - no?

I am not trying to prevent him from doing anything. I only asked him if he would. But oh well - People are free to do what they want - Leave the dick up there. I'll just have to deal with a penis head in the corner of my eye

[RC45]

RC: go fuck yourself, and stop changing my fucking Avatar. It isn't funny.

Uhm - considering I am NOT an administrator on this website/forum at all - how could I change anything?

I am Moderator of one forum - and as you have been around the internets and webs since day -1 I am sure you know a moderator can only delete posts in the forum they have moderation rights over - and thats it.

Period.

Nothing else.

Not change avatars, or alter posts in other forums or even tell the time of day in 3 languages.

So this means you (or one of your other personalities) are changing the avatar yourself.

You do remember you posted that picture of your own genitals on another website 4 years ago - right?

p.s. : You r sure seem to have lost your pompous demenaor and composure - what's up?

The stress of living in the USA getting to you already?

[rave426]

HA - Thats fucked up :clap:

[Jibba]

I'll just have to deal with a penis head in the corner of my eye

why grandma, what big eyes you have :!:

[rave426]

^^^ :?: :?: :?: :? :?: :?: :?:

[RC45]

Now, can anyone, aside from nth and RC show me anything in that (out of context) statement that is anti-US



How has the US changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people around the world? McDonalds? Coke? Nike? I don't really see those as things to look up to, do you?


right there.

what did the romans do, build roads. most everything else was lost.
what did the chinese do? a lot in china; not anything anywhere else til gunpowder was barrowed a thousand years later.
what did the egyptians do? build massive magaliths that we see today.

what has america done? well, there is so much there is no way i can begin to describe.

satalite TV
geosynchronous orbit
satalite almost everything
internet
weapons
cars
architecture
phones
planes
computers
wealth to make the world economy churn (since we import so much more then we export)
consume
manufacturing
space exploration
NRAO/ NOAO
NWS
GPS
GOES-8
safety for the rest of the word
enforcers of the UN, and our own interests
and advancements in all forms of every business and home sector

Please, continue the list since you started. I'm interested to see what else is originally from USA.

It would be stupid to deny USAs wealth and might nowadays, but your list is just too funny. It is a task for generations long after us to judge if USA will be as significant nation as Greeks and Chinese are for an example.

Powder for your weapons is from China. Phone was invented by an Italian guy living in USA. Car was invented by German guys.
Architecture obvioulsy didn't exist before USA was built, but maybe the Greeks had some knowledge about it.
Boolean algebra can be considered the very basis of all the computers. It was invented by an English man.
Sputnik 1, Vostok 1 were from Russia, first on the orbit and in space.

Finland of course leads the world.... teflontron told me so

No, no, I didn't mention my poor country at all, you brought it up. All we got here is taxes and hulluja suomalaisia. You just can't tolerate any criticizing about USA, can you? :D
You can bash my country as much as you want and I wont be offended.

Huh?

I invite you to hate the USA.. beat it up.. despise it... dislike everything about it... who really cares?

But if you are going to, at least be factual and accurate in your slanders, and not just randomly make up incorrect shit ... ;)

Now - back to those guns and stuff....

[philip]

Now, can anyone, aside from nth and RC show me anything in that (out of context) statement that is anti-US



How has the US changed the hopes and dreams of Billions of people around the world? McDonalds? Coke? Nike? I don't really see those as things to look up to, do you?


right there.

what did the romans do, build roads. most everything else was lost.
what did the chinese do? a lot in china; not anything anywhere else til gunpowder was barrowed a thousand years later.
what did the egyptians do? build massive magaliths that we see today.

what has america done? well, there is so much there is no way i can begin to describe.

satalite TV
geosynchronous orbit
satalite almost everything
internet
weapons
cars
architecture
phones
planes
computers
wealth to make the world economy churn (since we import so much more then we export)
consume
manufacturing
space exploration
NRAO/ NOAO
NWS
GPS
GOES-8
safety for the rest of the word
enforcers of the UN, and our own interests
and advancements in all forms of every business and home sector

Please, continue the list since you started. I'm interested to see what else is originally from USA.

It would be stupid to deny USAs wealth and might nowadays, but your list is just too funny. It is a task for generations long after us to judge if USA will be as significant nation as Greeks and Chinese are for an example.

Powder for your weapons is from China. Phone was invented by an Italian guy living in USA. Car was invented by German guys.
Architecture obvioulsy didn't exist before USA was built, but maybe the Greeks had some knowledge about it.
Boolean algebra can be considered the very basis of all the computers. It was invented by an English man.
Sputnik 1, Vostok 1 were from Russia, first on the orbit and in space.

Finland of course leads the world.... teflontron told me so

The geosynchronous orbit was invented by Arthur C. Clarke, a British science fiction writer who now lives in Sri Lanka. He wrote 2001 A Space Odyssey. 14

[RC45]

Discovered, or invented?

[philip]

Arthur C. Clarke is credited with inventing it the geosynchronous satellite . No one ever thought it up untill he wrote about it. Others were the first to use his idea and make it a reality. (probably Americans born in Germany)

Can you buy that Barrett rifle at the gun shows in town, bolt action naturally? Or would there be a restriction on the purchase or the ammo due to the calibre.

[nthfinity]

who said anything about algebra being from the US.

Algebra = 8th grade
at least you could mention a meaningful math that is used these days.


Sputnik was first like was Vostok too.
About the GPS, you can see Europeans sending Galileo and Russia have their own "GPS system" too. And since you don't care so much about the original idea and the Galileo system is more advanced than GPS, then I think we can call Galileo the main product and GPS just a first "idea"

considering military spec GPS is accurate to mm rather then 3 feet, sure it is.

[nthfinity]

it is well known that GPS in civilian use has built in fault accuracy.

I know its accurate to mm because i worked with NRAO on its bandwith to messure its variance under specific weather conditions.

so, well.... it is worthy to talk about,.... it is accurate to 3mm

[666fast]

Guns are sweet, stupid arguements aren't.

What do you think? Is it me? Will it make me look awesome?
These are what I'm currently looking at, not sure which I might buy.

Springfield 1911 .45 ACP
http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/a1/PB9108L.jpg



I really like Springfields. I spent some quality time with a couple different versions. Some had some custom stuff done to them, dont ask me what though, im no gun expert. But I got to shoot all of these along with a large assortment of various handguns, rifles, semis etc. (about 60 different pieces on a private shooting range for a whole day)

I liked the Springfields and also the Sig Sauer 45, I want to get one of those I think, but I need to do some more shooting. I also found a rifle I like made by Kel-Tec.

Comes in a few different variations

http://www.kel-tec.com/su16ca.html
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/sub16ca_pic01.jpg

Some of the Kel Tec stuff is pretty cool. The long range pistol makes me laugh my ass off. The only place I'd expect to see something like that is in some goofy anime cartoon.
That rifle is pretty cool, too bad my interest in them is pretty low. The only long range near me is almst 2 hour drive. Which is wierd, considering I live in the middle of nowhere.
Check out wilson combat rifles, very nice stuff IMO. The price reflects that as well. I'd love to have one of thier pistols.
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/index_rifle.htm

Philip, yes you can buy Barrets guns. the gun shop I go to has one. It's a bargain at $9k. :lol:

[philip]

Darn, I wont be buying one of those anytime soon. I guess the ammo is $20.00 a bullet too.

[ZfrkS62]

Sorry Z for irrelevant posts.


finding a topic on JW that stays on topic the entire time, is like running into the one white chick at a NASCAR event that doesn't have a black eye :lol:

[TeflonTron]

Darn, I wont be buying one of those anytime soon. I guess the ammo is $20.00 a bullet too.

Nah, you can get 150 Rounds for about $250.

[666fast]

Darn, I wont be buying one of those anytime soon. I guess the ammo is $20.00 a bullet too.

Nah, you can get 150 Rounds for about $250.

Bargain!!!!!!!

When I was checking out the gun at the gun shop I asked about ammo, the cheap stuff was about $7 a round! heh

[novass]

@ Mojo - my friends dad that took us shooting used to do that since he had so many guns and could blow through so much ammo in a short amount of time. He had a pretty large set up in his garage to do that and he always told me that it wasnt necesarily price but the fact that he wanted to ensure the quality his ammo, talk about a perfectionist lol.

@ 666 - those Wilson rifles look pretty nice. I think my first purchase would def be a hand gun just cause its a little easier to take shooting. I just like rifles for their power and their design, im a design freak that will buy anything, useful or useless, as long as it looks nice LOL

[666fast]

Darn, I wont be buying one of those anytime soon. I guess the ammo is $20.00 a bullet too.

Nah, you can get 150 Rounds for about $250.

Bargain!!!!!!!

When I was checking out the gun at the gun shop I asked about ammo, the cheap stuff was about $7 a round! heh

Do you ever charge the ammo by yourself? I'm not sure if it is the prices or just a habit but at least many hunters here recharge the ammo by themselves. You just have to pick up the shells after shooting.

I've never done it, but my uncle does. Once you get past the initial investment, it does save you quite a bit of money. The machine things you use to do it are kind of expensive.

@ 666 - those Wilson rifles look pretty nice. I think my first purchase would def be a hand gun just cause its a little easier to take shooting. I just like rifles for their power and their design, im a design freak that will buy anything, useful or useless, as long as it looks nice LOL

Thats exactly why I'm looking at a handgun, it's just easier to deal with. I can name 5 different places within 10 minutes of me where I can go shoot one.

I got my permit today, so now all I have to do is decide on a gun. I definately want a 1911 style gun, but I'm not sure on caliber. There are too many options! LOL .38 .40 .45 9mm 10mm
Ammo price will probably make the decision for me. After dumping $500+ on a gun, I don't want to have to spend $100 on ammo everytime I want to shoot it!