American muscle or exotic power!!

[corvette97]

let me know what you think, i put the tt lingenfelter ass the best car... let me know you opinion....thanx

[cho_888]

i am for exotic power handling and control. I see a mussle car i go yeah kool. When i see something so rare and breathtaking as a ferrari i go wow. theya re totally different things.

[666fast]

The TT Lingenfelter Vette is no doubt badass, but there are a bunch of exotics I'd gladly take instead.
Some examples:
F355
Enzo
Koenigsegg
F40
F50
Zonda
Diablo

[DMbaseball1604]

I would have to agree with cho_888, for the same reasons but if you look at the inside of a Corvette and then the inside of a Ferrari you will notice that the inside of the Corvette may seem similar to a Chevy S10 pickup truck. Then if you actually ride in both cars, the difference is obvious, the balance and turn in of a Ferrari or Porsche combined with the power that is found in a Corvette make American sports cars (Besides the Saleen S7 and the Ford GT) seem obsolete.

[godspeed06]

it all comes back to money. if money wasn't a concern (which it always is) i'd get the enzo or the zonda. but the things are impossible to drive and take care of on a daily basis. the enzos oil is like 60 bucks, the tires are worth more than some cars, and its really hard to to get them worked on... i mean i haven't exactly seen a pagani shop around the corner. if i had the money from where i am living right now, i would get the lingenfelter. i can drive it everyday and still maintenance it without spending 69million dollars :D . plus you guys say a lot of crap about how the ferraris and porsches handle so much better which is bullshit. the supercar ferraris and porsches might, but the regular ones don't. and even then, im sure the lingenfelter can get within reach and still be hundreds of thousands left. the corvette zo6 is a monster at a track because it can handle so well. i believe it does have a 50/50 weight distribution as well. i have been on the porsche boards and many guys with GT3 have praised the Z06 but said they would never get one because they want to have a porsche. they didnt get the porsche because it was such a better performer, they got it because it was a "porsche."i can't blame them but that was just their choice. you can call a corvette "unbalanced" all you want, but hopefully when one flies by your ass on the track you'll keep your mouth shut.

[corvette97]

gofspeed06...you have a point...i think that the american power is great, even if the other makes, like ferrari or porsche are more desirable, i definitely stick to the american, exotic are really really cool, and if i could maintain a ferrari or a lambo, i would buy one, but for all of us (a big part of this comunity) we just can afford having this cars, so i stick to a real dream, not ferrari or lambo, porsche is still on anybodies list, cuz' is not as expensive as the others, but anyway cool opinions :lol: thanx

[godspeed06]

the vette does what the others don't. it makes a great car that lots of people can enjoy, and that is what makes the vette great. on the flip side, it is also what makes the vette different from other great cars. its the classic debate between viper and vette. both great cars but one gives you that special exclusivity and the other doesn't. it comes down to how you look at it. the facet of the vette you dislike is the same facet that others believe makes the vette what it is. either way, it is still a real performer.

[Ivanhoe]

im sorry american muscle just doesnt cut it for me. finesse over power anyday.

[godspeed06]

what the fuck are you talking about? finesse?

[blah]

Ill take the best of both words in a Saleen S7.

[SFDMALEX]

it all comes back to money. if money wasn't a concern (which it always is) i'd get the enzo or the zonda. but the things are impossible to drive and take care of on a daily basis. the enzos oil is like 60 bucks, the tires are worth more than some cars, and its really hard to to get them worked on... i mean i haven't exactly seen a pagani shop around the corner. if i had the money from where i am living right now, i would get the lingenfelter. i can drive it everyday and still maintenance it without spending 69million dollars :D . plus you guys say a lot of crap about how the ferraris and porsches handle so much better which is bullshit. the supercar ferraris and porsches might, but the regular ones don't. and even then, im sure the lingenfelter can get within reach and still be hundreds of thousands left. the corvette zo6 is a monster at a track because it can handle so well. i believe it does have a 50/50 weight distribution as well. i have been on the porsche boards and many guys with GT3 have praised the Z06 but said they would never get one because they want to have a porsche. they didnt get the porsche because it was such a better performer, they got it because it was a "porsche."i can't blame them but that was just their choice. you can call a corvette "unbalanced" all you want, but hopefully when one flies by your ass on the track you'll keep your mouth shut.

You make me laugh man. Saying that regular Ferraris dont handel well....lol yeah...

and trust me, a stock Z06 will have a hard time keeping up on a track with a GT3.

[corvette97]

SFDMALEX , lets just say that is gonna be harder to a z06 to keep up with a gt3 on a track,but your sorry ass will not get any of those for a long time, but anyway i wish that you own one one day, and if you have the chance to get a z06 it would be stupid not to get one! :fist: so fuck off, there is a market for diferent kinds of people, exotics are for millionares and rich people, and american muscle has a bigger market, for sorry asses like us so don't come up with that shit of exotic power cuz' it's dificult to get one

[godspeed06]

You make me laugh man. Saying that regular Ferraris dont handel well....lol yeah...


i never said they didn't handle well. doesn't that suck. :fist:

[godspeed06]

oh yea, and here is a thread from a porsche board comparing the GT3 to the Z06. considering the amount of bias you would have to expect because it is a porsche forum many of the members show a lot of respect for the Z06 against the GT3. it is a good read, as long as you neglect some of the overly biased porsche owners.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=5c54a7c2d5bbe8a1cb23c2c1a6dfa1da&threadid=88050

[SFDMALEX]

SFDMALEX , lets just say that is gonna be harder to a z06 to keep up with a gt3 on a track,but your sorry ass will not get any of those for a long time, but anyway i wish that you own one one day, and if you have the chance to get a z06 it would be stupid not to get one! :fist: so fuck off, there is a market for diferent kinds of people, exotics are for millionares and rich people, and american muscle has a bigger market, for sorry asses like us so don't come up with that shit of exotic power cuz' it's dificult to get one

What is your point? Exotic for rich, and american iron for poor? Were is this statement leading? What are you trying to say?

[SFDMALEX]

oh yea, and here is a thread from a porsche board comparing the GT3 to the Z06. considering the amount of bias you would have to expect because it is a porsche forum many of the members show a lot of respect for the Z06 against the GT3. it is a good read, as long as you neglect some of the overly biased porsche owners.

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=5c54a7c2d5bbe8a1cb23c2c1a6dfa1da&threadid=88050

Hey I have a lot of respect for the Z06 and the C5, they are great cars period. But you make it sound as this superior automobile which kicks all the ass it see's.

I see were you are going with the track matter though. I downloaded lots of vids were I saw the Z06 blast by everyone, but not once, even once I saw a STOCK vette beat anything!!!

Now this goes back to Stock Vs. Modded which is tottaly unfair. Have you ever thought of what a modded GT3 could do?

The stock z06 aint much. You need to put in a couple of grand in the brakes, a couple of grand in the suspension then we're talking.

[SFDMALEX]

Ohh and if your Z06 is "SUCH A GREAT HANDLING CAR" why was it placed by Road&Track(American Magazine) in 5th place in "The Best Handling Car For Road and Track" competiton???

Want to see who it competed against???

Place 1st- Ferrari 360 2nd- Lotus Elise 3rd- 911TT 4th- Evo7 5th- VETTE z06 6th- BOxster 7th- M3 Coupe


What happend??? I thought it was supposed to beat Porsches and Ferraris ass.


Credit Goes to Road&Track June 2002 Volume 53 Number 10

[godspeed06]

Now this goes back to Stock Vs. Modded which is tottaly unfair. Have you ever thought of what a modded GT3 could do?

The stock z06 aint much. You need to put in a couple of grand in the brakes, a couple of grand in the suspension then we're talking.


i don't know if you read the thread i posted or not, but they talked about this. if you go stock vs. stock it pretty much goes to the driver. if you go modded vs. modded the z06 would rape it and still be cheaper than the GT3. and to put it bluntly, as far as performance goes with money in mind, the corvette does kick ass.

edit. left this out. => american magazines suck ass. their drivers blow because they are usually just the editors. most of the time the tracks are in shitty condition or there is something wrong with the cars and they neglect to mention it or print it in fine print on some arbitrary page. they usually don't drive the cars to the limit. i'm not saying the cars in the article aren't better than the vette and i'm not saying that they are worse than the vette. i'm saying you shouldn't trust american magazines for comparos and times.

[SFDMALEX]

Now this goes back to Stock Vs. Modded which is tottaly unfair. Have you ever thought of what a modded GT3 could do?

The stock z06 aint much. You need to put in a couple of grand in the brakes, a couple of grand in the suspension then we're talking.


i don't know if you read the thread i posted or not, but they talked about this. if you go stock vs. stock it pretty much goes to the driver. if you go modded vs. modded the z06 would rape it and still be cheaper than the GT3. and to put it bluntly, as far as performance goes with money in mind, the corvette does kick ass.

edit. left this out. => american magazines suck ass. their drivers blow because they are usually just the editors. most of the time the tracks are in shitty condition or there is something wrong with the cars and they neglect to mention it or print it in fine print on some arbitrary page. they usually don't drive the cars to the limit. i'm not saying the cars in the article aren't better than the vette and i'm not saying that they are worse than the vette. i'm saying you shouldn't trust american magazines for comparos and times.

One- Are we talking about performance or value? Damn, on value the Z06 will beat many. I just want to know what we are talking about. If your talking about what you get for the money then the Vette wins. Or are we talking about cars in the same class without getting money involved in this?

And what are you saying about Stock Vs. Stock is all up do the driver? From what you are saying then, ALL CARS that are stock are identical correct? Thanks....I did not know that :shock:

And a modded vette will beat anything right? Rape it hard right?

Okay bring your Vette...I want to see how it will do against these slightly modded Ferraris.

The Koenig 550 790BHP
0-100 km/h 3,5 sec.
0-200 km/h 10,9 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 10,5 sec.
top speed 350 km/h

http://www.koenig-specials.com/bilder/bilder600px/600px/maranello/1.jpg

Or Lets bring on the Koening 360
600BHP
0-100 km/h 3,5 sec.
0-200 km/h 10,9 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 10,5 sec.
top speed 335 km/h
driving performance depends on gear ratio



Do you want me to bring some Porsche Gambellas in here? You know to race the ass rapper modded Vette.

[TT]

LOL, I serious doubt a Vette would be able to rape many cars in its class on real twisty roads or race tracks with something more than a couple of straight lines.. stock or modded...

The Vette is a fast car of course, fast from a standing start (although many AWD cars would beat it), fast on those strange and useless race we always see shooted at night in videos around the net, with rolling start... but not fast or dinamically superior on "real" roads or race tracks from what I can read... the fact is that in Europe and USA there are different standards, so every time such discussions don't go anywhere :D

[corvette97]

SFDMALEX, can you buy a ferrari 360or a porsche 911 turbo or at least a gallardo???
well i tried to put mi point this way if you can buy a ferrari/porsche/lambo its obious that you have a lot of money and you'll get a awesome power and handling, but if yoiu can't buy a ferrari/porsche/lambo its obious that you don't have a large amount of money, but maybe you CAN buy corvette
Exotic for rich, and american iron for poor?
yeah that's true cuz' if you cant buy a exotic maybe you can buy a corvette, buy anyway i know that if you buy a corvette you are not gonna get a large amount of handling but a great deal of power, and if you buy exotic you are gonna get both+luxury, but lets say that you are not gonna be driving around a town like i f you are on a track (only if you a a stupid idiot), and if you are driving on a highway you don't need to much handling, so a corvette would be a great car, and if you going on a road that as many curves a axotic would be ok, so fo mi CORVETTE would be nice! (i dont talk too goof of things that i can't buy i'll stick to my american iron for poors as you said(for now)

[yg60m]

Power is not all, just see what a Honda NSX-R can do on a track even give a Murcielago some trick ... (reference : Best Motoring Superbattle 2002)

[corvette97]

SFDMALEX, read this

this are some moded americans that would trow the shit out of your dream cars!


CORVETTE LINGENFELTER twin turbo:
UP TO 800 HP
0-60: 1.97sec
1/4 mile: 8.95sec

VIPER VENOM 800:
800HP
0-60: 2.4 sec
1/4 mile: 8.97sec

and the list goes on and on with the VIPER VENOM 1000!! 1000hp, FASTEST CAR ON A 1/4 MILE, MALLET, AND a big list

and if you are gonna mention MODED cars, just don't put you exotics on this list cuz' even a skyline with 1000hp would kill a axotic, a supra can do that, so don't talk shits cuz' exotics dont go well on the moded division!

but thanx for your opinion it's really cool :lol:

[TT]

Do those cars have front steering wheels?

The quarter mile means nothing to me...

[Fleischmann]

Difficult to say...but I'd go for 'exotic' coz the Vanquish is in that group. That doesn' mean however that I don't like all those oldschool Mustangs and Chargers from the 60'.

[yg60m]

Yes totally agree with TT and brembo, i am not sure a dragster would be faster than an F1 on lap track... even with a NASA engine. :wink:

[godspeed06]

And what are you saying about Stock Vs. Stock is all up do the driver? From what you are saying then, ALL CARS that are stock are identical correct? Thanks....I did not know that

And a modded vette will beat anything right? Rape it hard right?

Okay bring your Vette...I want to see how it will do against these slightly modded Ferraris.


stock vs. stock means stock vette vs. stock GT3. what are you a dumbass? and corvette97 already cleared up your "modded ferrari" shit. lingenfelter vette for 90 grand runs a sub 9 quarter mile and can still handle as well as if not better than the Z06.

LOL, I serious doubt a Vette would be able to rape many cars in its class on real twisty roads or race tracks with something more than a couple of straight lines.. stock or modded...

first of all. try to name some other cars in this "class" of yours. there aren't any. classes are defined by prices and there is nothing worth 50 grand that can beat it. i think you foreign guys sometimes have the wrong impression about the corvette which is what i have been trying to clear up. you guys think corvette and immediately what comes to mind is "American Muscle" and only straight line performance which might have been true in the 60s but as far as the vette goes is incorrect now. the Z06 is an excellent handling car on twisty tracks, winding roads, whatever. you guys really have too narrow of a mindset about this car. i thought if you read the GT3 thread you would have realized how well the vette handles. its not just a straight line car. in fact its not a straight line car at all. its made to be taken onto the track, and not just one's with long straights :roll:

[TT]

classes are defined by prices


Ah, usually for me the sportcars class includes cars from 15'000 grand up to 80'000 or more...


the Z06 is an excellent handling car on twisty tracks, winding roads, whatever. you guys really have too narrow of a mindset about this car


I agree, the Vette improved over the past 40 years, as did European cars.. the gap is smaller, but still there IMO

[godspeed06]

Ah, usually for me the sportcars class includes cars from 15'000 grand up to 80'000 or more...


:shock: WOW! i have never heard of that. you realize you are putting the honda civic in the same class with the viper or faster. umm... no. classes are defined by both function and price. for example : honda sedan and nissan sedan = both sedan hence same function and similar in price so they are in the same class, honda civic and ford focus = same class, Dodge Ram and Ford F-150 = same class, Mazda Miata and Dodge Viper = not the same class, and this should not come as a shock to you. its common sense. you dont compare a miata to a viper or 911. the price keeps you from doing that. sorry... but 15,000 to 80,000 and beyond is just absurd. :lol: its a good thing you're not a magazine editor. what would we see next... Ford GT vs. VW Gti :lol:

[TT]

I don't mean "EVERY" 15 grand car...

What I mean is that a VX220 Turbo can be pinned against an Impreza WRX STI and, Honda NSX and Corvette...

The VXT was already pinned to the Modena and wasn't destroyed at all... dynamics and feelings are more important than HP, price or value...

[godspeed06]

yea, i didn't think you could be that far off base, i was just messing around with ya little. i still disagree a bit though. i think when it comes down to it classes should be defined as what cars a prospective buyer should look at compared to the one he is looking at (i hope you can follow that because i know it doesnt sound clear). which usually does depend on function and price. for instance, you can take the VX220 turbo and run a comparo against other more expensive cars that might have the same function, but even if it can compete with them i still dont think it should be in the same class because someone looking at a ferrari is not going to be also considering buying a VX220. i know that there are no definite lines and that there are many grey areas looking at it that way, but most of the time you can make a pretty good assumption of whether or not one car should be in another's class. so i would say the vette is the best of its class because of price, function, and other cars one might consider if considering the vette. plus, the vette can compete against cars that are in a higher class, which i guess is what most of this thread has been about.

or maybe we just have completely different opinions and that is still ok.

[TT]

Well, yes I think we just have different opinions, as everybody does :) and that's why our world is so interesting :) and of course I perfectly understand your points too... and the discussion is so complicated LOL.. because it all depends by so many factors and IMO it's really difficult to talk about classes (price, value for money, functionality and so on..) or general discussion like this one, american vs european is way to wide ;)

[corvette97]

i really dont' care, both exotic and muscle are great cars, but a kinfd of ppl like the exotics like me, and other kind of ppl like the muscle like me too, but i think that i dont need too much power cuz' i dont wanna die on a car accident, although i drive from 90 to 120 km/h, i think that now a days it's dificult to really test a car on the streets, so i would need a test track to compare the handling and power of these two worlds, so i think that any sportscar it would be ok, all ppl talk like if they drive like if they are on a test track or if they are driving on le mans, in those tracks the handling is a biig factor, and there is where the corvette is a s***t, but anyway i think that it would be nice to own any of those

[SFDMALEX]

SFDMALEX, read this

this are some moded americans that would trow the shit out of your dream cars!


CORVETTE LINGENFELTER twin turbo:
UP TO 800 HP
0-60: 1.97sec
1/4 mile: 8.95sec

VIPER VENOM 800:
800HP
0-60: 2.4 sec
1/4 mile: 8.97sec

and the list goes on and on with the VIPER VENOM 1000!! 1000hp, FASTEST CAR ON A 1/4 MILE, MALLET, AND a big list

and if you are gonna mention MODED cars, just don't put you exotics on this list cuz' even a skyline with 1000hp would kill a axotic, a supra can do that, so don't talk shits cuz' exotics dont go well on the moded division!

but thanx for your opinion it's really cool :lol:

Are you sure about exotics not doing well in the modded division?

Koenig F50
850BHP
performance:
0-100 km/h 3,0 sec.
0-200 km/h 8,4 sec.
standing 1/4 mile 8,0 sec.
top speed 380 km/h

I want to see how well you can drive that Venom 1000 on a track. I would really love to see that.

[SFDMALEX]

SFDMALEX, can you buy a ferrari 360or a porsche 911 turbo or at least a gallardo???
well i tried to put mi point this way if you can buy a ferrari/porsche/lambo its obious that you have a lot of money and you'll get a awesome power and handling, but if yoiu can't buy a ferrari/porsche/lambo its obious that you don't have a large amount of money, but maybe you CAN buy corvette
Exotic for rich, and american iron for poor?
yeah that's true cuz' if you cant buy a exotic maybe you can buy a corvette, buy anyway i know that if you buy a corvette you are not gonna get a large amount of handling but a great deal of power, and if you buy exotic you are gonna get both+luxury, but lets say that you are not gonna be driving around a town like i f you are on a track (only if you a a stupid idiot), and if you are driving on a highway you don't need to much handling, so a corvette would be a great car, and if you going on a road that as many curves a axotic would be ok, so fo mi CORVETTE would be nice! (i dont talk too goof of things that i can't buy i'll stick to my american iron for poors as you said(for now)

Are we talking about value or perfomance? Which one?

[SFDMALEX]

edit. left this out. => american magazines suck ass. their drivers blow because they are usually just the editors. most of the time the tracks are in shitty condition or there is something wrong with the cars and they neglect to mention it or print it in fine print on some arbitrary page. they usually don't drive the cars to the limit. i'm not saying the cars in the article aren't better than the vette and i'm not saying that they are worse than the vette. i'm saying you shouldn't trust american magazines for comparos and times.

Why did I know that you are going to say that? So every test Road&Track did the Vette they used was broken, and the driver was bad everytime? Not just this test the z06 placed low, many other also.

[godspeed06]

Well, yes I think we just have different opinions, as everybody does and that's why our world is so interesting and of course I perfectly understand your points too... and the discussion is so complicated LOL.. because it all depends by so many factors and IMO it's really difficult to talk about classes (price, value for money, functionality and so on..) or general discussion like this one, american vs european is way to wide


true dat. see not every discussion has to end in bloodshed on the internet. its all good.

[SFDMALEX]

the Z06 is an excellent handling car on twisty tracks, winding roads, whatever. you guys really have too narrow of a mindset about this car. i thought if you read the GT3 thread you would have realized how well the vette handles. its not just a straight line car. in fact its not a straight line car at all. its made to be taken onto the track, and not just one's with long straights :roll:

And thats why it never gets first place in any magazine tests? Because it's such a great handling car?

[godspeed06]

damn dude, could you be any more vague, and have you read every article comparing Z06's? are you really ignorant enough to say the vette can't handle? you are past even talking about cars, now you are just looking like a dumbass by attacking me every time and trying to make it personal or something. you offered no opinions or information in your last post just dumb sarcasm. give it up. this is my last post on this thread so you can keep talking to yourself if you want.

[blah]

Ill be taking my 575 Maranello in Black please.

[snacky]

cars=status symbols

Z06 status symbol says,"I'm into American technology such as Boeing 747s, Starbucks Coffee shops, Atomic Clock radio signals, etc." and they all work as well as possible and plebians can still afford em.

Ferrari status symbol says, "I'm into expensive euro hi performance jewlery, such as the Concorde, $5000 home coffee blenders, and Rolex watches." They also work very well, but they're purposefully upscale and patrician.

[Ivanhoe]

godspeed, i know sfdmalex might have been a tad bit to the point but saying hes getting personal and bringing all this shit back into the forum will cause another flame war. LETS TALK CARS PPL. :D

[corvette97]

godspeed, i know sfdmalex might have been a tad bit to the point but saying hes getting personal and bringing all this shit back into the forum will cause another flame war. LETS TALK CARS PPL.

LOL. yeah common SFDMALEX, if you like you exotic cars, its ok, nobody sais that you have to quit you likes to turn into muscle, i am totaly impresed about the amount of info that you know!!! that's so kool, :P , but anyway just to add a lil coment,
I want to see how well you can drive that Venom 1000 on a track. I would reallylove to see that.
i dont belive that a car is all about going on a track, or on a stright line, so for you to consider a car "exelent" you have to atke many factors, but
AT lest for me the 0-60 time its the most important thing on a car but thats ME, i really dont care top speed although it's impressive how fast cars can be, i think this cuz' this official top speeds are made under totally perfect conditions, definitely you are not gonna get 380km/m from a modded maranello all the time, but for ME its all american with a lil bit of exotic, I understand that for YOU the exotic is the best way to go, so lets keep it kool yeah? :mrgreen:

[phattboy]

its to hard to choose, both are awesome in there own way

[SFDMALEX]

damn dude, could you be any more vague, and have you read every article comparing Z06's? are you really ignorant enough to say the vette can't handle? you are past even talking about cars, now you are just looking like a dumbass by attacking me every time and trying to make it personal or something. you offered no opinions or information in your last post just dumb sarcasm. give it up. this is my last post on this thread so you can keep talking to yourself if you want.

Did I ever say that the Vette cant handel? It can outhandel many cars but you came in saying that it can rape ferraris, porsches and so on...and what I am trying to prove is that you are wrong. Because you are.

I read plenty of magazines, and saw a lot of videos to confirm this. Even in some best motoring track battle the Vette came last(now you dont have to beleave best motoring because the people in there still cant drive).

The Vette will not out handel a 360 or a GT3. Just watch Rolex Sports car series were the 360GT of Ferrari of Washngton of the GT class keeps up and passes on occasion cars(Vettes) of the GTS class. NOw this is not a good example because this is motorsports, but this is just to give you a general idea.

See it how you wish, but facts are facts. The Z06 is a great car which I would defenetly have in my collection if I had some extra cash, but it isnt great enough to beat 360's, or recent 911s, or any of the recent great GT cars, for the exception of some Aston Martins. :lol:

BTW There is nothing personal in here. This is an argument and people are trying to prove their points, I'm not here to make enemies.

[SFDMALEX]

godspeed, i know sfdmalex might have been a tad bit to the point but saying hes getting personal and bringing all this shit back into the forum will cause another flame war. LETS TALK CARS PPL.

LOL. yeah common SFDMALEX, if you like you exotic cars, its ok, nobody sais that you have to quit you likes to turn into muscle, i am totaly impresed about the amount of info that you know!!! that's so kool, :P , but anyway just to add a lil coment,
I want to see how well you can drive that Venom 1000 on a track. I would reallylove to see that.
i dont belive that a car is all about going on a track, or on a stright line, so for you to consider a car "exelent" you have to atke many factors, but
AT lest for me the 0-60 time its the most important thing on a car but thats ME, i really dont care top speed although it's impressive how fast cars can be, i think this cuz' this official top speeds are made under totally perfect conditions, definitely you are not gonna get 380km/m from a modded maranello all the time, but for ME its all american with a lil bit of exotic, I understand that for YOU the exotic is the best way to go, so lets keep it kool yeah? :mrgreen:

Jezzz did anybody start thinking that this is some sord of a flame war and things are getting really hot lol :shock: This is just an argument....

As for the Venom...I'm pretty sure it's undrivable mainly because tuners dont spend hell lotta time on the power band. Usualy manufacturers spend a lot of time getting the engine to deliver the power just right, but most tuned cars dont have smooth power delivery, because all they do is drop a pair of turbos in a car and give it back. And when your turning in a car which deliver 1000bhp when spooled its not fun going sideways... Same effect as giving a car some NOS while taking a 90deegre corner.

[corvette97]

well i think that the exotic modded cars are more focused on going around tracks, and the american muscle modded cars such as the venom are more about going on a straight line, the thing is that venom and henessey motors are focused on 1/4 runs and not in tracks, it would be nice to see a venom on a track!! lol it would be funny, but it would be also funny to see a koenig maranello, in s straight line against venom 1000, but definitely they are dif cars, so it depends the use that you are gonna give to the car I wouldn't buy a f50 koening if i would only use it on the 1/4 mile runs, and i wouln't buy a venom 1000 if i was gonna use it o a track :lol:

[Ivanhoe]

well i wouldnt say that it IS a flame war but definetely in the process (i wont bring up parts of it) of it but w/e, back to cars.

corvette, what many ppl have tried to say is that straight line figures are not important, thats why european cars in their opinion are better. handling over straight line speed.

[corvette97]

Ivanhoe, i know what they are talking, but how straight line figures are not important!!!!!!! those are the main tests that the testers do to the cars!!!, well i guesss that there might me many opinions,and i respect the ppl opinions, but for me is all about HP and shit, i really dont think i need ferrari handlig if i dont drive like if i am on a track, so z06 or a coupe would be k! :|

[corvette97]

sorry that when i created the forum i didn't specified that i wanted to know your opinions about exotic cars on ROADS, not on tracks! :oops:

[hemi_fan]

blah blah blah. We could argue for years on this topic. The only way to finalize it is to take all these lingenfelters, 360s, Z06s, Stradales, GT3/2s, etc. out to at least 5 or 6 different types of tracks (oval, drag, tight road course, wide road course etc.) Until someone does that then its pointless to argue. I personally would probably never buy an exotic unless I had enough money that I could buy one of everything. Id rather have a much cheaper car and spend a little money on it to personalize it to my liking. For instance, I'd rather buy a lingenfelter or mallet vette than a 360. I probably wouldnt pay over 100k for a stock car no matter how much dough I had lying around. Obviously from my name I like muscle cars, but exotics are awesome too. It comes down to personal preference. Theres my 2c.

[Bavarias_Finest]

Audis with the Quattro systems are the best handling cars in the world, and you can get a A4 3.0 or S4 with a V8 4.2 in the low to high 30s. Second of all a 4 door RS6 and E55 AMG are faster and better handling than a z06 - SVT Cobra - and even a Carrera. Of course some of them cost more because they are hand made in some cases, and their interiors arent plastic, along with having 4 doors instead of two. Europe and Jap exotics over America anyday.

E55 AMG
M3 E46
S4
RS6
RS4
..........and these are just the tip of the iceberg (regular cars in my hood)

[Bavarias_Finest]

Like said earlier though it does come down to personal preference......some of us will spend that extra dollar for the stock bhp and comfortable seats.

[sickx]

It's like blondes or brunettes--everyone has their preference, and neither will go out of style.

[corvette97]

well audi has made a lot of powerfull cars, the great example as BAVARIAS_FINEST said the s4, rs6, s6, and merc has created de e55, and bmw m3 with the modded e46 kit (not bmw), but even if you buy it from a dealership, and the car is stock, has big modifications, i know that they are powerfull, but i think that a comparison between a corvette z06 with no turbos, no supercharger only a bonne stock engine vs. e55 the that has a big v8 and supercharger its a litle bit unfair, but its cool to bring the german power to this forum cuz' it has many chances to beat exotic and muscles ass! :mrgreen: by the way AUDI ist german or from switzerland??? i heard that the cars where assembled in geneve?? :mrgreen:

[Ivanhoe]

sorry that when i created the forum i didn't specified that i wanted to know your opinions about exotic cars on ROADS, not on tracks! :oops:

:lol: :lol: hehe in that case, the smartest choice would of course be the vette. although i dont really like em, id prolly get an s2000 or something and save the change.

[kiato4]

I'll take the Carrera GT over anything on the track... as for the road... the Gallardo

[Ivanhoe]

hehe you got that much money brning a hole in your pocket?! :lol: why not give some too me?

[corvette97]

yeah, but im see things this way, the basic engine on the "e" series is a v6 3.2 i think, so thats the stock engine the base engine, thenif you buy a e55 has a modification (supercharger) even if its stock it has a major modification, so i think its unfair to compare a superchargerd car to a bone stock engine,
You are aware that a car can be stock with both a turbocharger and/or a supercharger right?

can a car have a supercharger and a turbo at the same time, i thought that that was imposible!

[zevolv]

can a car have a supercharger and a turbo at the same time, i thought that that was imposible!

in theory if you use a centrifugal supercharger it is possible if you compress the air in the supercharger and force it through the turbo (in theory eliminating alot of the turbo lag) it could work but the psi would have to be insanely high and would require alot of engine bullet proofing to get right and not to mention the room required to plumb all of it and install the actual units themselves.

[corvette97]

and a big hood to

[smicah]

Why don't we compare/contrast the E55 AMG vs a Hennessey Viper 1000TT. :wink: They're both stock, come with factory warrenties, and air condition. Does a formula 1 car/cart count as stock? The Bentley EXP Speed 8 or Ferrari F300 race car would be nice stock.

[corvette97]

Why don't we compare/contrast the E55 AMG vs a Hennessey Viper 1000TT. They're both stock, come with factory warrenties, and air condition. Does a formula 1 car/cart count as stock? The Bentley EXP Speed 8 or Ferrari F300 race car would be nice stock.

actually the venom 1000 (hennessey) and the e55 amg are oriented for diferent porp. the hennessey ids more for drags and stuff and the 55 is more for city/higway use, the viper cannot turn as god as the 55

[smicah]

:turn-l: I know, not every car can be compared to every other car. Every car has an advantage, whither it is top speed, handling, price, looks, or power. Whatever you are looking for most in a car is what is best to you. There is no car that is the best in all categories (especially in price). For my money now I'll take a used toyota, my next car will probably be american muscle, and later in life maybe I'll have a few exotics and a jet. :turn-l:

[jon_s]

Having both is very possible.

There was a time that rally cars used both......the supercharger was in use while the turbo was winding up, then the turbo took over!

Theory was to eliminate Turbo Lag!

this is the kind of idea:
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Electric_20Supercharger_20Turbo_20Hybrid

[Copso]

I rather have a lesser "exotic" car which has a lot better build quality and resale value (no to mention the "intangible" values: presence, finesse, design, motorsport heritage, etc.) than most "muscle" cars (including the Corvette), those cars simply DON'T have such qualities.

True, a Corvette Z06 is an awesome car and its performance (measured by numbers) is smilar to what a Ferrari 360 or Porsche 911 GT3 can do, but even if a Z06 can generate impressive numbers IT WILL ALWAYS BE A CORVETTE, and it will never come near a Ferrari or a Porsche in other many important aspects such as comfort, finesse (yes, finesse defined as the subtlety on how it performs), design, heritage, and lets not forget resale value, etc.

The U.S. Motor Industry has a long list of marketing and sales sucesses, but unfortunatedly doesn't have that same success in international racing (the only notable exception: the Ford GT40 that won Le Mans 4 times in the late 60's, and even if the Ford GT40 was an "american" car, it was designed and built in Europe, mainly in the U.K.).

What is even more, almost all the teams participating in what can be considered to be the "top racing cathegory" in the U.S. (Champ cars, formerly know as CART) race in cars that are designed and built in Europe (be it Lola or Reynard, and the Ford-Cosworth engines) and the only team that actually builds its own cars is Penske which designs and builds their chassis in the U.K. (Swift has stopped racing and building race cars) :lol:

What you're buying when you purchase a Ferrari or a Porsche or an Aston Martin, is the racing heritage, the intangible quality, the "prestige" that a particular brand has won over many years of motor expertise, qualities that a traditional American Muscle Car (such as the Corvette Z06) does not have. Having said that, I insist on saying that the Corvette Z06 is an awesome car for the price, and that its performance humbles lots of cars costing (sometimes) two or three times as much, but that still doesn't make it as desirable or prestigious as a Ferrari or Porsche. (only God knows why, right?) :wink:

IMHO, it's all about what you want in life: if you want devil-may-care speed at an affordable price, buy a Corvette Z06 and put some sort of forced induction in it, that way nothing (almost) will touch you at the dragstrip or in the event of an impromtu stoplight run. If you want a balanced performance, design, comfort and intangible value package, go save more money and buy a Porsche, Ferrari or similar car.

(I know about this because when I bought mi '02 Audi TT CQ, I had the option of buying a '03 Corvette Z06 for a little over $2,500 USD more, yet I chose the TT. And now, after I've spent almost $6,000 USD in mods fot the TT, I still prefer my car even if it does not come close to the performance of a Z06)

[corvette97]

i simply go to american muscle, cuz' ahm, its cheaper, and awesome power, i really dont mind owning a car that can't give a quick turn, cuz' i don drive like a crazy, 2d. i am not millionare (hope god one day i will) so amrecian muscle goes right for me

[corvette97]

hey, having a supercharge and a turbo, would affect gas mileage?, :roll:

[zevolv]

having both would greatly reduce fuel mileage to keep the air/fuel mixture safe. and American cars can take corners, its called powersliding. :lol:

[SFDMALEX]

i simply go to american muscle, cuz' ahm, its cheaper, and awesome power, i really dont mind owning a car that can't give a quick turn, cuz' i don drive like a crazy, 2d. i am not millionare (hope god one day i will) so amrecian muscle goes right for me

[HeilSvenska]

Why choose when you can have both EXOTIC and MUSCLE heritage?
Here are some cars that fit this category
-Koenigsegg - Ford V8
-Saleen S7 - American AND Ford V8
-as formentioned the Lingenfelter

Viper and Corvette just lacks Exotica factor
only if the Chevy will put the SS concept into production...