Try to beat this price

[evoWalo]

Beat the price of this quad-core machine

2 x 2.66GHz Dual-core Xeon (Woodcrest)
1GB 667MHz FB-DIMM
250GB HDD
Nvidia GeForce 74300GT, 256MB
16X DVD writer

For under $2500 from any OEM.

[nthfinity]

Beat the price of this quad-core machine

2 x 2.66GHz Dual-core Xeon (Woodcrest)
1GB 667MHz FB-DIMM
250GB HDD
Nvidia GeForce 74300GT, 256MB
16X DVD writer

For under $2500 from any OEM.

ok, I'll bbeat that price

12 cents! as in $0.12 !!!

that is much tougher to beat i think

(useless info w/out any links to the builder etc.) :wink:

[Pimp Racer]

Is that what you are getting? :shock:

[evoWalo]

Beat the price of this quad-core machine

2 x 2.66GHz Dual-core Xeon (Woodcrest)
1GB 667MHz FB-DIMM
250GB HDD
Nvidia GeForce 74300GT, 256MB
16X DVD writer

For under $2500 from any OEM.

ok, I'll bbeat that price

12 cents! as in $0.12 !!!

that is much tougher to beat i think

(useless info w/out any links to the builder etc.) :wink:
Where do I make the deposit? ;) No links to zee builder til someone beats the price.

Seriously, anyone?

[evoWalo]

Is that what you are getting? :shock:Too low end?

[Pimp Racer]

Is that what you are getting? :shock:Too low end?

Low end my ass dude that shit must be smooth! Let me look around on pricegrabber since I dont really feel like searching alot. :D

*EDIT*

Forget it man I just dont feel like searching rite now. Newegg might have it for cheap too! :D Anyways just tell us! :twisted:

Newegg has one processor for 761 so 1522 for the processors?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819117099

Ram 169
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134085

so for now its 1691

250 gig HDD for 83
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144

I think you did a typo on the video card is this it?

IF so 83 bucks more

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127213

Total so far is 1857

And that DVD writer is probably around 50 bucks........SO looks Like I win HAHA! What I get a cookie or sumtin? Un 2500 you said rite? I got under 2000 and free shipping too I believe.

[evoWalo]

Is that what you are getting? :shock:Too low end?

Low end my ass dude that shit must be smooth! Let me look around on pricegrabber since I dont really feel like searching alot. :D

*EDIT*

Forget it man I just dont feel like searching rite now. Newegg might have it for cheap too! :D Anyways just tell us! :twisted:

Newegg has one processor for 761 so 1522 for the processors?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819117099

Ram 169
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134085

so for now its 1691

250 gig HDD for 83
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144

I think you did a typo on the video card is this it?

IF so 83 bucks more

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127213

Total so far is 1857

And that DVD writer is probably around 50 bucks........SO looks Like I win HAHA! What I get a cookie or sumtin? Un 2500 you said rite? I got under 2000 and free shipping too I believe.
Damn I forgot to add the rest of the specs. My bad, hold on.

Aluminum AtX case
PSU
Logitech wired mouse & wired keyboard
IEEE 802.11a/b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
dual socket Core Xenon mainboard based on an Intel-based chipset

Correction
Geforce 7300 GT, 256MB

[Pimp Racer]

Is that what you are getting? :shock:Too low end?

Low end my ass dude that shit must be smooth! Let me look around on pricegrabber since I dont really feel like searching alot. :D

*EDIT*

Forget it man I just dont feel like searching rite now. Newegg might have it for cheap too! :D Anyways just tell us! :twisted:

Newegg has one processor for 761 so 1522 for the processors?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819117099

Ram 169
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134085

so for now its 1691

250 gig HDD for 83
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144

I think you did a typo on the video card is this it?

IF so 83 bucks more

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127213

Total so far is 1857

And that DVD writer is probably around 50 bucks........SO looks Like I win HAHA! What I get a cookie or sumtin? Un 2500 you said rite? I got under 2000 and free shipping too I believe.
Damn I forgot to add the rest of the specs. My bad, hold on.

Aluminum AtX case
PSU
Logitech wired mouse & wired keyboard
IEEE 802.11a/b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
dual socket Core Xenon mainboard

Correction
Geforce 7300 GT, 256MB

How many watts PSU? Anyways its still gonna around 2500 I bet.

Case round 50
Mouse and Board round 50 as well since they are wired.
the Wireless and blue tooth let say a 100.
And for the Mobo say we spend 400.

So in end it near that price you said maybe might be cheaper if its all from one dealer such as newegg so free shipping. Anyways I am gonna fire up the old PS2 box while I still can and play GT4 because in a few more months both GT4 and the PS2 will be collection dust.....and for a good reason! :D See this thread. http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?p=690370#690370 :twisted:

[evoWalo]

Forgot to add an OS license for Windows XP Pro or Windows XP Pro 64 Bit Edition.

drop zee bluetooth & wifi

[Pimp Racer]

Forgot to add an OS license for Windows XP Pro or Windows XP Pro 64 Bit Edition.

drop zee bluetooth & wifi

People actually buy XP? :lol: Naw just messin with ya. I got an original XP Cd not those cheap ass ones that come with Dell or sumtin I mean the real CD! Pic comin up in a sec. :D

[evoWalo]

Anyway here's the final, final spec

2 x 2.66GHz Dual-core Xeon (Woodcrest)
1GB 667MHz FB-DIMM
250GB HDD
Nvidia GeForce 7300GT, 256MB
16x DL-DVD writer (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Aluminum ATX case
-cable-free, direct attach hard drive bays
-four internal hard drive carriers

PSU
-300-400watt

Logitech wired mouse & wired keyboard with built in USB hub

dual socket Core Xenon mainboard based on an Intel-based chipset
-Firewire 800 card (minus this if the mainboard has it built-in)
-gigabit ethernet card (minus this if the mainboard has 2 built-in)

WinXP Pro

Try to beat the price via DIY or OEM like Dell.

[Pimp Racer]

Anyway here's the final, final spec

2 x 2.66GHz Dual-core Xeon (Woodcrest)
1GB 667MHz FB-DIMM
250GB HDD
Nvidia GeForce 7300GT, 256MB
16x DL-DVD writer (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Aluminum ATX case
-cable-free, direct attach hard drive bays
-four internal hard drive carriers

PSU
-300-400watt

Logitech wired mouse & wired keyboard with built in USB hub

dual socket Core Xenon mainboard based on an Intel-based chipset
-Firewire 800 card (minus this if the mainboard has it built-in)
-gigabit ethernet card (minus this if the mainboard has 2 built-in)


Try to beat the price via DIY or OEM like Dell.

Just curious why you wanna use a Xeon processor? Is it gonna be for gaming or a Server?

BTW I'm VERY bored Also its my dads laptop. I havent set up my shit yet and wont until I get moved into the real house. :D
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3005/img2044cf8.th.jpg (http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2044cf8.jpg)
:roll:

*EDIT*
Why not run Linux?

[evoWalo]

Anyway here's the final, final spec

2 x 2.66GHz Dual-core Xeon (Woodcrest)
1GB 667MHz FB-DIMM
250GB HDD
Nvidia GeForce 7300GT, 256MB
16x DL-DVD writer (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Aluminum ATX case
-cable-free, direct attach hard drive bays
-four internal hard drive carriers

PSU
-300-400watt

Logitech wired mouse & wired keyboard with built in USB hub

dual socket Core Xenon mainboard based on an Intel-based chipset
-Firewire 800 card (minus this if the mainboard has it built-in)
-gigabit ethernet card (minus this if the mainboard has 2 built-in)


Try to beat the price via DIY or OEM like Dell.

Just curious why you wanna use a Xeon processor? Is it gonna be for gaming or a Server?

BTW I'm VERY bored
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3005/img2044cf8.th.jpg (http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2044cf8.jpg)
:roll:

*EDIT*
Why not run Linux?
The application of this desktop requires 4 cores. Conroe can't SMP.

Linux isn't an option.

[Pimp Racer]

SMP? Whats that? No Linux? Damn! What bout Vista? Shouldnt you just wait a bit longer for it to come out or no?

[evoWalo]

SMP? Whats that? No Linux? Damn! What bout Vista? Shouldnt you just wait a bit longer for it to come out or no?
Symmetric Multiprocessing, or SMP, is a multiprocessor computer architecture where two or more identical processors are connected to a single shared main memory. Most common multiprocessor systems today use an SMP architecture.

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing

Sorry for updating all the time but I need to add this

mainboard
-must be able to handle 8 FB-DIMM slots
-three full-length PCI Express expansion slots and one double-wide PCI Express graphics slot to support high-powered, double-wide graphics cards

audio card (if built-in to mainboard strike this out)
-optical digital input and output
-analog audio input and output,

Because of today's events I think Vista will be delayed yet again by a few more months. MS will adjust the release to something close to Q4 2007 or even push it to 2008.

Speaking of Vista is it a true to honest God 64-bit OS that can run 32-bit & 64-bit apps side by side without emulation or translation? Will 32-bit drivers work with Vista 64-bit?

[Pimp Racer]

I heard 32 bit shit dont work wit 64 bit vista. BTW what will this be used for? Digtal editing or video editing is my guess from the looks of it.

[evoWalo]

I heard 32 bit shit dont work wit 64 bit vista. BTW what will this be used for? Digtal editing or video editing is my guess from the looks of it.Something like that.

I'm curious if anyone can beat the price of that configuration as others in past appear to have a knack of find the best deals or whatnot.

[No.1]

Sounds like a Mac Pro - nice style to the thread ellen :good:

[Pimp Racer]

I heard 32 bit shit dont work wit 64 bit vista. BTW what will this be used for? Digtal editing or video editing is my guess from the looks of it.Something like that.

I'm curious if anyone can beat the price of that configuration as others in past appear to have a knack of find the best deals or whatnot.

Ya its always good to check around rather then get it up the you know what.


Sounds like a Mac Pro - nice style to the thread ellen :good:

Yeah I was gonna suggest it to him but that is a bit expensive! like around a 100 bucks more than what he wants and he wants XP pro so it would be a hassle to install Bootcamp and then XP from what I heard.

[evoWalo]

I heard 32 bit shit dont work wit 64 bit vista. BTW what will this be used for? Digtal editing or video editing is my guess from the looks of it.Something like that.

I'm curious if anyone can beat the price of that configuration as others in past appear to have a knack of find the best deals or whatnot.

Ya its always good to check around rather then get it up the you know what.


Sounds like a Mac Pro - nice style to the thread ellen :good:

Yeah I was gonna suggest it to him but that is a bit expensive! like around a 100 bucks more than what he wants and he wants XP pro so it would be a hassle to install Bootcamp and then XP from what I heard.


The price + specs are that of the Mac Pro. :lol: No.1 had to spoil the surprise. XP Pro's the closest thing you could compare to the current OS X. By Spring '07 the comparison would be XP Pro 64-bit & OS X Leopard.

So now no one will attempt to make a comparison cause a Dell with similar specs goes for... we all know Dell are the cheapest of all the big OEMs.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5773/dsc0435bu2.jpg

I remember someone stupid was making a global stink over how expensive Macs are.

[Pimp Racer]

Damn you know what! I am a dumbass! I looked at Apple's website too today when this thread was made and before No.1's post! I even configured the Mac Pro but not to your specs but to my specs! Argh I am such a dumbass! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[evoWalo]

Damn you know what! I am a dumbass! I looked at Apple's website too today when this thread was made and before No.1's post! I even configured the Mac Pro but not to your specs but to my specs! Argh I am such a dumbass! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:Errr this thread was made before Apple unsuspended the online Apple Store. I typed those specs as they were announced during the WWDC 06 keynote. :)

General rule when buying Macs from Apple, buy the upgrades somewhere else like newegg.com

[Pimp Racer]

Damn you know what! I am a dumbass! I looked at Apple's website too today when this thread was made and before No.1's post! I even configured the Mac Pro but not to your specs but to my specs! Argh I am such a dumbass! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:Errr this thread was made before Apple unsuspended the online Apple Store. I typed those specs during the WWDC 06 keynote. :)

General rule when buying Macs from Apple, buy the upgrades somewhere else like newegg.com

Yes I know that this thread was made before. Thats why I said before No.1's post and after this thread I think. Anyways to put it timewise about an hour ago I looked at Apple's site and configured the Mac Pro. So when are ya gettin it?

[evoWalo]

Yes I know that this thread was made before. Thats why I said before No.1's post and after this thread I think. Anyways to put it timewise about an hour ago I looked at Apple's site and configured the Mac Pro. So when are ya gettin it?Probably not now cause of Leopard, 8 Core Xeon by January & lack of Adobe native apps & HD DVD or BD writers.

So price-wise what do you think of the Mac Pro?

[No.1]

Damn you know what! I am a dumbass! I looked at Apple's website too today when this thread was made and before No.1's post! I even configured the Mac Pro but not to your specs but to my specs! Argh I am such a dumbass! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Indeed - a dumbass you are :P

I can't believe ellen had you looking all over for prices and such. That was a great way to waste your time :good:

Mac Pro looks just the same as old Power PC - a shame.

It needed to look different, as all the other guys on here seem to dislike macs for the fact that they may be aesthetically pleasing. :bah:

[evoWalo]

Mac Pro looks just the same as old Power PC - a shame.

It needed to look different, as all the other guys on here seem to dislike macs for the fact that they may be aesthetically pleasing. :bah:Keeping the old cases does a lot of positive things.

Keeps cost down
Keeps external design bugs to the minimum
Doesnt confuse people too much

My dad thought my uncle's TiBook was identical to the MBP and would experience hinge & paint flaking problem. Externally the enclosures looks similar but the internals are radically different.

I'm sure by 2007 Apple will come out with radically new enclosures that'll make people hate it more and China men copy them like mad.

[No.1]

I see all the reasons - but they don't signify progress to me.

Macs are for sophistcated people, so why would a new case confuse? Or are they all, in fact, yuppies with an idealistic view that they are the person who has to own a mac? That it was designed for somebody so aware as them.

[No.1]

Keeps cost down
Keeps external design bugs to the minimum
Doesnt confuse people too much


Again - external desing bugs (scratching/wear and tear) should all have been tested during the R&D process - otherwise R&D isn't complete, and the product has just been rushed out to market.

Keep costs down for who? Jobs, or the consumer?

[Pimp Racer]

Yes I know that this thread was made before. Thats why I said before No.1's post and after this thread I think. Anyways to put it timewise about an hour ago I looked at Apple's site and configured the Mac Pro. So when are ya gettin it?Probably not now cause of Leopard, 8 Core Xeon by January & lack of Adobe native apps & HD DVD or BD writers.

So price-wise what do you think of the Mac Pro?

Ah I get ya now. Well its a very nice choice. Shit price wise its unbeatable but unlike most of the members here I like Apple products but I dont like their software though. Never know that new OSX might be nice but I wont get my hopes up. I rather just put Linux on it. BTW you went to the conference or something? I had plans on looking for a live feed but just didnt have the time today.


Damn you know what! I am a dumbass! I looked at Apple's website too today when this thread was made and before No.1's post! I even configured the Mac Pro but not to your specs but to my specs! Argh I am such a dumbass! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Indeed - a dumbass you are :P

I can't believe ellen had you looking all over for prices and such. That was a great way to waste your time :good:

Mac Pro looks just the same as old Power PC - a shame.

It needed to look different, as all the other guys on here seem to dislike macs for the fact that they may be aesthetically pleasing. :bah:


:lol: I got all the time in the world man. Also looks wise I could care less since its a desktop and I all my desktops I have are always hidden away. No need to show off.



I see all the reasons - but they don't signify progress to me.

Macs are for sophistcated people, so why would a new case confuse? Or are they all, in fact, yuppies with an idealistic view that they are the person who has to own a mac? That it was designed for somebody so aware as them.


Some say Mac software is made for dumbass so to keep shit straight and simple they dont change the casing or else it might confuse hardcore mac users. :lol: Also I have had hands on experience with a Imac and they are badass but I just dont see why! I mean upgrading that would be near impossible or just hard. It does however save room.

[nthfinity]

this thread is useless unless you can superpi it below one minute for teh 4 m calculation

[evoWalo]

Again - external desing bugs (scratching/wear and tear) should all have been tested during the R&D process - otherwise R&D isn't complete, and the product has just been rushed out to market.

Keep costs down for who? Jobs, or the consumer?
I am curious what solid object doesnt ever scratch or experience wear & tear?

It is every for profit org to minimize cost & maximum profit. If they dont do so shareholders will sue their ass offf/

[Pimp Racer]

this thread is useless unless you can superpi it below one minute for teh 4 m calculation

Thats true so we gotta look just wait till some lucky bastard gets his or her hands on it. Maybe in a few months we might seea 4m calc on it.

[nthfinity]

this thread is useless unless you can superpi it below one minute for teh 4 m calculation

Thats true so we gotta look just wait till some lucky bastard gets his or her hands on it. Maybe in a few months we might seea 4m calc on it.

and by then, we'll have PC's doing 4M's in under one minute w/out overclocking...

[evoWalo]

I see all the reasons - but they don't signify progress to me.

Macs are for sophistcated people, so why would a new case confuse? Or are they all, in fact, yuppies with an idealistic view that they are the person who has to own a mac? That it was designed for somebody so aware as them.Trust me, sophisticated people arent as wonderful as they're cracked up to be. There are a lot of posers who buy Macs for the perceived lifestyle. I even used to date one who had an irrational dislike for PCs and was more Mac mad than most people I know.

It's like how some Ferrari owners are incompetent drivers and slices up their Enzo in half cause they think they're Schumi.

[Pimp Racer]

this thread is useless unless you can superpi it below one minute for teh 4 m calculation

Thats true so we gotta look just wait till some lucky bastard gets his or her hands on it. Maybe in a few months we might seea 4m calc on it.

and by then, we'll have PC's doing 4M's in under one minute w/out overclocking...

Thats another true statement but think about this. Technology is improving so fast that this will be a thing of the past in just a few months. As Elen said they are coming out with the 8 processors Xeon in Jan and then by christmas next year who knows they probably habe 16 processors! Its just a matter of time. This thing will be news of the past just like Core 2. No offense to anyone that owns one and what not. Also just like the AMD Fx's and so one.

[evoWalo]

Most people who dislike Macs or OS X dont like em cause they cant play games or use AutoCA/3D Max Viz as a native app. There are ways around this like BootCamp, WINE, VMWare & Parallels Desktop.

Linux is all nice & dandy but what native desktop commercial apps are out there?

No point in me going to the WWDC seeming I'm not a developer. I'd stick for the keynote and look around but that's that.

The current iMac can be upgraded pretty easily. CPU's not soldiered on so you can pop out Yonah and plug in Merom. Memory goes up to 2GB. HDD's a 3.5" SATA. Optical drive's a slot loading type. Only thing you'll have difficulty in is the logic board & GPU.

Serious gamers dont buy Macs. They buy Alienware.

Macs have all the modern ports you'd need these days so no more use for the daughter boards.

Ah I get ya now. Well its a very nice choice. Shit price wise its unbeatable but unlike most of the members here I like Apple products but I dont like their software though. Never know that new OSX might be nice but I wont get my hopes up. I rather just put Linux on it. BTW you went to the conference or something? I had plans on looking for a live feed but just didnt have the time today.

Some say Mac software is made for dumbass so to keep shit straight and simple they dont change the casing or else it might confuse hardcore mac users. :lol: Also I have had hands on experience with a Imac and they are badass but I just dont see why! I mean upgrading that would be near impossible or just hard. It does however save room.

[evoWalo]

this thread is useless unless you can superpi it below one minute for teh 4 m calculation

Thats true so we gotta look just wait till some lucky bastard gets his or her hands on it. Maybe in a few months we might seea 4m calc on it.

and by then, we'll have PC's doing 4M's in under one minute w/out overclocking...

Thats another true statement but think about this. Technology is improving so fast that this will be a thing of the past in just a few months. As Elen said they are coming out with the 8 processors Xeon in Jan and then by christmas next year who knows they probably habe 16 processors! Its just a matter of time. This thing will be news of the past just like Core 2. No offense to anyone that owns one and what not. Also just like the AMD Fx's and so one.
With Apple using Intel chips superpi-ing will be at the same pace at PCs but then again you have a wider choice of mainboards to choose from.

Processors are different from cores. ;)

AMD's are has-beens. They should try to hire better engineers than Intel. :lol:

[nthfinity]

Serious gamers dont buy Macs. They buy Alienware.


serious gamers build thier own PC's; and continusously upgrade them.... even at the 250 person lans, i've yet to see an Alienware PC

[Pimp Racer]

Most people who dislike Macs or OS X dont like em cause they cant play games or use AutoCA/3D Max Viz as a native app. There are ways around this like BootCamp, WINE, VMWare & Parallels Desktop.

Linux is all nice & dandy but what native desktop commercial apps are out there?

No point in me going to the WWDC seeming I'm not a developer. I'd stick for the keynote and look around but that's that.

The current iMac can be upgraded pretty easily. CPU's not soldiered on so you can pop out Yonah and plug in Merom. Memory goes up to 2GB. HDD's a 3.5" SATA. Optical drive's a slot loading type. Only thing you'll have difficulty in is the logic board & GPU.

Serious gamers dont buy Macs. They buy Alienware.

Macs have all the modern ports you'd need these days so no more use for the daughter boards.


I really dont play games at all on the computer so I dont mind. Is upgrading the Imac really that easy? I never really knew I mean I thought it might be hard as hell and shit must be compact and remove one screw and the shit falls apart! :lol: Its a nice little concept. Nice price but would sell like hell if it were 100 - 200 bucks cheaper.

[Pimp Racer]

Serious gamers dont buy Macs. They buy Alienware.


serious gamers build thier own PC's; and continusously upgrade them.... even at the 250 person lans, i've yet to see an Alienware PC

Thats so true. Everytime I see some gaming event on the web or tv and they show who's playing what you can usually see what system they are playing on and all the time its a custom made PC!

Alienware are for rich white boys that are wanna be gamers.

No offense to any white people.


*EDIT*
Sorry for the double post I thought I hit the damn edit button. :oops:

[evoWalo]

touche

Serious gamers dont buy Macs. They buy Alienware.


serious gamers build thier own PC's; and continusously upgrade them.... even at the 250 person lans, i've yet to see an Alienware PC

[evoWalo]

I've seen an iMac take apart picture set done by some mad Japanese fellow last January/Febuary. You could also download the Intel iMac service manual off the web allowing you to take it apart. I got the service manual for my MBP if i decide to reapply thermal greese on the CPU. I hear it contributes to 2-3 degrees more heat but I think it isnt worth doing it.

It's a little known fact about the Intel iMacs that they're using mobile CPUs. Specifically Yonah (Core Duo) thus making it more expensive than regular desktop chips. That's why the Intel iMacs gets so much praise for being energy efficient compared to standard desktops.

Once the Intel Imac w/ Conroe comes out then I expect cheaper prices or substantially better performance at the same price. The Mac Mini's CPU isn't soldiered on either. I recall seeing an engineering sample of Merom being poped into a Mac Mini a few months ago and OS X didnt identify it as a "Core 2 Duo".

As I see it Apple will mirror their upgrade timetable close to Intel's release. So all there product line will only sport the latest & greatest from Intel. The bad thing about this philosophy is that you wont be able to get Macs at lower prices because they're using older chips.

Then again Apple more sales of their Macs may change this, just look at the iPod as an example. iPods used to cater to the high-end of the MP3 market and now service from the $99 bottom end to the $599 top end.
I really dont play games at all on the computer so I dont mind. Is upgrading the Imac really that easy? I never really knew I mean I thought it might be hard as hell and shit must be compact and remove one screw and the shit falls apart! :lol: Its a nice little concept. Nice price but would sell like hell if it were 100 - 200 bucks cheaper.

[Pimp Racer]

Dude make sure you put thermal grease makes a lot of difference like 10 - 15 or even more! all are farehient.

Anyways that Imac wasnt mine its another one of my relatives. The same one that has a G4 titianium I piss him off when I start talking about macs vs linux and what not. :lol:

[evoWalo]

According to reports AApple placed too much thermal greese on the MBP's CPU. I dont want to void zee warranty. Maybe after when I feel the itch or remember.

The upgradeability of iMacs that i mentioned is only valid with the Intel Core Duo models. THe G5, G4 & G3 are practically TVs.

With respect to SDMFLEX the TiBooks were a big big boo boo. THat's why Apple ditched the design within a year.

Dude make sure you put thermal grease makes a lot of difference like 10 - 15 or even more! all are farehient.

Anyways that Imac wasnt mine its another one of my relatives. The same one that has a G4 titianium I piss him off when I start talking about macs vs linux and what not. :lol:

[Pimp Racer]

Too much grease? That much suck. Also I just remembered that his was a Power PC too not an Intel. He got a 20inch version for like 1300 so he just bought it.

[SFDMALEX]

Then again Apple more sales of their Macs may change this, just look at the iPod as an example. iPods used to cater to the high-end of the MP3 market and now service from the $99 bottom end to the $599 top end.


mp3 and "high-end" dont belong in the same sentence, forget the same paragraph, or on this case post, or the whole thread rather.

Ipods appeal to the masses.

Just like many other thing appeal to the masses.


Just like unsafe sex appleals to the masses. Does it make it good or right?

[evoWalo]

Ok then... High-end digital audio mass market. market being everyone who'll buy digital audio players.

i agree it's a bit OT but i'm just pointing one way more Mac sales may make Apple sell a more diverse Mac line.
mp3 and "high-end" dont belong in the same sentence, forget the same paragraph, or on this case post, or the whole thread rather.

Ipods appeal to the masses.

Just like many other thing appeal to the masses.


Just like unsafe sex appleals to the masses. Does it make it good or right?

[SFDMALEX]

Ok then... High-end digital audio mass market. market being everyone who'll buy digital audio players.


High end audio is digital ;)

But it aint MP3 :wink:

Thats all Im saying, be it Ipod, DellPod or CreativePOD.

Its actually not a stab at Apple, its a stab at mp3. :wink:

High end digital audio is DVD-A and SACD.

There is no High-End audio mass market.

Because there is no "high-end" anything for the mass market :wink: be it butt plugs, cigars or mp3 players. :wink:

Once again, not a personal attack or a mac attack :wink:

[evoWalo]

Are lossless audio formats part of "high-end digital audio"?

Ok then... High-end digital audio mass market. market being everyone who'll buy digital audio players.


High end audio is digital ;)

But it aint MP3 :wink:

Thats all Im saying, be it Ipod, DellPod or CreativePOD.

Its actually not a stab at Apple, its a stab at mp3. :wink:

High end digital audio is DVD-A and SACD.

There is no High-End audio mass market.

Because there is no "high-end" anything for the mass market :wink: be it butt plugs, cigars or mp3 players. :wink:

Once again, not a personal attack or a mac attack :wink:

[Sir_GT]

this thread is useless unless you can superpi it below one minute for teh 4 m calculation

Thats true so we gotta look just wait till some lucky bastard gets his or her hands on it. Maybe in a few months we might seea 4m calc on it.

and by then, we'll have PC's doing 4M's in under one minute w/out overclocking...

That doesn't really matter much because windows is shit... :)

[SFDMALEX]

Are lossless audio formats part of "high-end digital audio"?

When you can buy a studio album recoreded in FLAC or such, and then buy a device for the playback of the media then sure :wink:

[Pimp Racer]

HOLY SHIT! GO TO DELL's SITE! Looks like they responded to Apples call or something because I just configures one for 2 grand! Let me make sure again!

[evoWalo]

HOLY SHIT! GO TO DELL's SITE! Looks like they responded to Apples call or something because I just configures one for 2 grand! Let me make sure again!Link pls

I went to this link below and tried to configure a similar setup and went way about $2500.
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=6901KW32MIN&cs=04&dgvcode=ss&c=US&l=EN

[evoWalo]

Lets pimp it up a bit

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/djkamil/macxeon.jpg

vs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/djkamil/dellxeon.jpg

vs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v159/djkamil/alienxeon.jpg

*Note, with the alienware system the FX4500 was not available and had to be substituted with an FX3500. Got the pics somewhere.

[SFDMALEX]

Now why the fuck would anyone buy a PC from dell, compaq, alienwear, ibm............................ :|

[Pimp Racer]

HOLY SHIT! GO TO DELL's SITE! Looks like they responded to Apples call or something because I just configures one for 2 grand! Let me make sure again!Link pls

I went to this link below and tried to configure a similar setup and went way about $2500.
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=6901KW32MIN&cs=04&dgvcode=ss&c=US&l=EN


Ya know what now? That price changed for me too! WTF? Must be some glitch or shit.. :twisted: I think its was the power supply now that I think about it. You put 1 KW and I dont think the Mac Pro has 1KW of power.

[evoWalo]

I love my mac so much it makes me hard when I think about it

[SFDMALEX]

I love my mac so much it makes me hard when I think about it

Jezz man, I knew you loved your macs but thats just fucked up.

[Pimp Racer]

:lol: What kinda mac is it? specs and price you pay would be nice as well.

[evoWalo]

I love my mac so much it makes me hard when I think about it
yes, girls can get hard. :P

[Toronto]

Ok then... High-end digital audio mass market. market being everyone who'll buy digital audio players.


High end audio is digital ;)

But it aint MP3 :wink:

Thats all Im saying, be it Ipod, DellPod or CreativePOD.

Its actually not a stab at Apple, its a stab at mp3. :wink:

High end digital audio is DVD-A and SACD.

There is no High-End audio mass market.

Because there is no "high-end" anything for the mass market :wink: be it butt plugs, cigars or mp3 players. :wink:

Once again, not a personal attack or a mac attack :wink:

i have to diss-agree,
the best audio will always be an LP with a good cartridge.
digital audio will always place 2nd to true audiophile

now, on to the portable players.
if you play have WAV files on your iPod it will sound just as good as a WAV file on any other player.

itunes does not support FLAC or SHN (common lossless files) but does support Apple Lossless (MP4). and with plenty of head to head test, many have seen that the apple lossless is up to par if not better then FLAC with most audio files.

now if you want to talk about DVD-A and super audio discs. how many people can hear the diff. between 16-and 24bit? do you want to know how small the % of the population it is. its a joke, people who buy this, are just like some suck boy walking around telling everyone he has a bigger dick.

in the end for music, vinyl is the best.
but the for portable players the iPod is best out there. simple. easy to use. good bank for you buck in HD size. only thing other players have is fm-tuner built in, and flac support.

nowt this was way off topic... sorry

[Toronto]

Are lossless audio formats part of "high-end digital audio"?

When you can buy a studio album recoreded in FLAC or such, and then buy a device for the playback of the media then sure :wink:

first you can buy FLAC files form bands, they just have to care about their fans ie. Pearl Jam.

2nd, FLAC files are lower quailty then CD WAV files.
CD WAV files are lower quailty then DVD-A audio files
DVD-A is lower then vinyl

(also iTunes will offer apple lossless files for sale soon)

[evoWalo]

There's a lossless format that's natively supported on the iPod called ALAC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless). Works with everything but zee Shuffle.

This must me the most mangled thread everrrrrrr.

[dutchmasterflex]

2 of those 2.66 Xeon CPU's are about 1400, a lone :shock:

oh yea, Flac is not Hi-Fi..

Hi Fi is a REAL CD (Not CD-R) and up (DVD Audio, Vinyl).

Oh yeah, and those are only Hi fi if played on a real Hi Fi system.. I'll have to take pics of my new apartment when I move in with my hi fi freak roommate :)

[SFDMALEX]

i have to diss-agree,
the best audio will always be an LP with a good cartridge.
digital audio will always place 2nd to true audiophile

now, on to the portable players.
if you play have WAV files on your iPod it will sound just as good as a WAV file on any other player.

itunes does not support FLAC or SHN (common lossless files) but does support Apple Lossless (MP4). and with plenty of head to head test, many have seen that the apple lossless is up to par if not better then FLAC with most audio files.

now if you want to talk about DVD-A and super audio discs. how many people can hear the diff. between 16-and 24bit? do you want to know how small the % of the population it is. its a joke, people who buy this, are just like some suck boy walking around telling everyone he has a bigger dick.

in the end for music, vinyl is the best.
but the for portable players the iPod is best out there. simple. easy to use. good bank for you buck in HD size. only thing other players have is fm-tuner built in, and flac support.

nowt this was way off topic... sorry

Sure but maintaining vynil is PITA and you know it. If you want to go for the high end you gotta bust out a few grand in a player, replace the cartridge now and then, besides, all the wear and tare on the vynil. And how much stuff can you get on vynil anyway?

I got some new DM stuff on vynil but this is limited print singles and stuff.


And yes I can hear the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit. My dad has been an audiophile since his early days and Ive just been raised to have good ears.

Its a joke? :?

And I guess I go telling everyone I have a bigger dick :?
High-End anything is for 5% of the population. So the argument of why bother when few can hear it is useless.
The general population thinks that watching an LCD TV on your low resolution RF cable source stretched out and pixilated, or your plasma and hell knows what is high end television :?
Where I personaly have not seen shit any worse.


In the end for music vynil is simply not realistic anymore. It's just not practical, hard to get and maintan.

Besides all the new vynils that they make today are made from a digital source in the first place. So that totaly defeats the purpose of vynil. So whats the point when even the new vynil releases are made from a digital source?


And if you really want to get into it then studio reels would be the HIGH END.

I never heard one, but I do remeber the boxes and boxes of reel tapes my dad had back in the shit hole USSR. You see he ripped vynil to reel tapes in the 70s, something that was worhy of a jail sentence back then :lol:

[SFDMALEX]

Are lossless audio formats part of "high-end digital audio"?

When you can buy a studio album recoreded in FLAC or such, and then buy a device for the playback of the media then sure :wink:

first you can buy FLAC files form bands, they just have to care about their fans ie. Pearl Jam.

2nd, FLAC files are lower quailty then CD WAV files.
CD WAV files are lower quailty then DVD-A audio files
DVD-A is lower then vinyl

(also iTunes will offer apple lossless files for sale soon)

With FLAC compression, or mp3 or mp4 or any other digital method of compression I can use different levels of compression, in which case whats lower or higher quality is at the hands of man in charge.

I can record that guitar sample in normal Audio CD format and make it lower quality then my large flac file.

I can record a 30sec guitar sample plugged into my rig. In wav not compressed I can make it up to 100mb big. I can use multple forms of compression. From mp3 to flac and make either one of them the higher quality end product based on the compression levels I used.

Any form of digital compression is a compromise between file size and quality. And each form of compression has a different method of signal processing.

So we should be taking in size per quality ratio, or something like that. Not which is the better quality. Because ultimatly I can make just about any form of digital compression beat the next in line at the expense of file size.




What we have to wait for is blu-ray or such where we can record an audio in digital with absolutly no compression, where the digital recording=analog.

Same applies for television.

[SFDMALEX]

And lastly, you can count the studios that use tapes on your fingers now.

Sadly its all gone to digital recording now. I just actually read an older Rolling Stone article on how so few studios stayed with tapes.


So what are the studios doing now? Well recording in 24 bit digital audio?

Now explain to me why wouldnt I want a DVD-A that is pretty much the copy of the studio recording? And it being a digital copy, you dont get the quality loss of the analog alternative where copy to copy you loose quality.


Turst me man, I love my TV analog, my music analog and my pron analog. But as far as music goes, we got no choice. Or we do. We can stick to listening junk MP3 or choose your good ol CD and SACD and DVD-A.

[Toronto]

most big bands and small bands come out with LP's
just go to rotate this @ bath. and queen. all the big and small punk/new wave stuff is there.
and plenty of other stores that sell new vinyl. (and the interweb is good for stuff too ;) ) and i am sure you can buy more new music on vinyl then on SACD and DVD-A.

a cartridge doesn't need to be replaced that often, in fact i have one table that is over 35 years old and plays so clean it will make your pants wet.

hi fi set up does cost alot @ first. (i know when i was 16 i could of bought a used car, or my set up.... and i went for the setup) but it in a good house it will last a lifetime.

to maintain, not a pain in the ass for me. i love pulling out the record and wipping it down with a cleaner for what all of 15sec?

i don't know about how many pro. studios that have gone 100% digital, abbey road still is analog i know that, as is electric lady land, and i know on my latest whitestripes album it says, 100% analog no computers in big text.

analog tapes are hard to maintain. but who can still buy play cassettes?

and last but not least. if the audio source is from the same master "digital source" an LP will play it better then a DVD-A cause it is an analog source for the receiver and speakers. no wav conversion. and you only loose quaity if you copy the source (like make a mix tape of your LP) but guess what, know you can make a exact digital copy of your music with a good sound card via your PC.


woo woo one last thing. most major recording studio use macs.... i guess you want to call them up and yell at them and change over to PC?

[nthfinity]

woo woo one last thing. most major recording studio use macs.... i guess you want to call them up and yell at them and change over to PC?


because they are ingrained to do so.

I've been usuing pro level PC digital mixing progs since late 2000; and can attest that I've yet to see a mac that can do it better, or be more straight forward. .... its the same from PC to mac IMO there.

as far as sound reproduction goes...
I call BS on things "sounding the same as recorded"
It comes to personal preference, and thats where I prefer an individual channel no less then 16 band graphic eq, and If i could, I'd change it with each song, and have those levels saved for each song.

take Metallica St-anger for instance.... its a great album that was recorded for shit... but it can sound better with playing with the EQ a lot...

[Toronto]

^^^ all early metallica albums sound shit. (not that st anger is one ;) )
but master of puppets is prob. the best album with the worse sound.

[nthfinity]

^^^ all early metallica albums sound shit. (not that st anger is one ;) )
but master of puppets is prob. the best album with the worse sound.

Justice is better IMO and sounds even worse (turned wayyyyy down bass)

but you like the sound of Stanger? I love the music, but it doesn't sound good until they play it live, and Kirk does his solos, and there is sweet sounding proper snare; and Jaymz has some proper metal distortion.

if you think early MetallicA sounds like shit (recording wise) you should listen to The Misfits "Plan 9" album LOL

[SFDMALEX]

woo woo one last thing. most major recording studio use macs.... i guess you want to call them up and yell at them and change over to PC?


Should I be surprised?

Most of the pro studio software was availible only to Mac just like the adobe programs not so long ago.

However now all of the mac software is availible on PC and PC actually has some more programs.

I have Sonar and Cubase installed on this very rig :wink:


Macs will still be in studios for a while, until they are phased out with PCs.

[Toronto]

^^^ all early metallica albums sound shit. (not that st anger is one ;) )
but master of puppets is prob. the best album with the worse sound.

Justice is better IMO and sounds even worse (turned wayyyyy down bass)

but you like the sound of Stanger? I love the music, but it doesn't sound good until they play it live, and Kirk does his solos, and there is sweet sounding proper snare; and Jaymz has some proper metal distortion.

if you think early MetallicA sounds like shit (recording wise) you should listen to The Misfits "Plan 9" album LOL

You should listen to Blue Cheer (if you into heavy psych music) Vincebus Eruptum, when they made this album the studio tech said, "don't turn your amps up all the way, let me do it on my end", their answer... "NO"

prob. the best/worst sounding album. it is so heavy for the 60's and the distortion is so bad it is good...

[Pimp Racer]

Staying on topic this lucky bastard already has one.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=222939

[evoWalo]

Staying on topic this lucky bastard already has one.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=222939Thank god for some sanity.

If you want to watch the keynote go to http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.html

if you just want to listen or you're using dialup go to http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/aug/wwdc_2006/wwdc_2006_audio_ref.mov