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Nemisis8u
12-30-2003, 01:43 PM
Its kind of growing on me
http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang1big.jpg
http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang2big.jpg
http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang3big.jpg
http://members.cox.net/jdolan44/hr2.jpg

Fleischmann
12-30-2003, 01:55 PM
man...that thing is hot !!!

Nemisis8u
12-30-2003, 01:57 PM
I like the fact that they got rid of the stupid side vents and the hood scoop

godspeed06
12-30-2003, 02:05 PM
i wish they made it look more like the shelby gt500 in the back. it would have been better with the, i think its called the duck tale, than the spoiler. the spoiler just makes it look cheap. but overall, i like it.

http://home.no.net/carpics/shelby/shelby-gt500.jpg

fedezyl
12-30-2003, 02:12 PM
The only ford apart from the GT40 that looks awesome, and one that I would seriously think of buying...
I hope they threw away the separate chasis and finally got into the modern era of monocoque...

Nemisis8u
12-30-2003, 02:37 PM
I think that they are using the lincoln LS chassis, or some Jaguar one

pedrohmb
12-30-2003, 02:46 PM
Oh man...this car is awesome...very hot!!
Thanks for the pics!!!
What´s the engine specification??

Nemisis8u
12-30-2003, 02:48 PM
Im not sure yet, but the base engine will be a sohc 3V design. Or so I've heard

hemi_fan
12-30-2003, 03:07 PM
It looks awesome. I like how they redid the rear-end. The concepts rear end looked like shit. The only thing I dont like is that the concept had a lower wider looking profile than this one, which i prefered. But its still awesome. Cant wait for SVT's version!

kramerman
12-30-2003, 03:16 PM
Looks good but think it needs a bit more differentiation.. sorta looks a bit like a Nissan 200SX in a way.

hemi_fan
12-30-2003, 03:26 PM
Looks good but think it needs a bit more differentiation.. sorta looks a bit like a Nissan 200SX in a way.

If thats the case, than the 200SX looks like it because this car looks pretty damn close to a 67 stang and im sure the 200sx ur talking about wasnt made before 67'.

blah
12-30-2003, 03:30 PM
the V6 will be that, and probabl make around 205 horses, and little more lbs of torque, but the GTs should be around 300 ponies, and maybe 350 lbs of torque.

yg60m
12-30-2003, 03:46 PM
I prefer the concept rear, this one is too long. Crash test rules ?? Or chassis ?? and please, remove the rear wing . :roll:

blah
12-30-2003, 04:22 PM
damn when i wa typing that post about the 3V SOHC 3 post were made.

jpatino03
12-30-2003, 07:22 PM
Its very pretty. If they get it right, props to Ford for reviving an aging classic.
Hopefully it'll be able to compete with the GTO (which is sweet in it own right).

DMbaseball1604
12-30-2003, 07:27 PM
I agree, I think the concept is amazing, on this one the back is too long, but it still looks good though...thanks to the front of the car

RC45
12-30-2003, 09:46 PM
...if this is what ford was going for - they kinda missed the mark a little.. ;)

http://www.swirl.net/ebaymotors/fastback/images/photos/poster.jpg

... this is what they showed us...

http://www.used-carlots.com/mustang10.jpg

... and this is what they delivered...

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang1big.jpg

The sad reality is that the car has to first pass the "political correctness and budgetary commitees..." ;)

hemi_fan
12-30-2003, 11:18 PM
^^^ I think they did it justice. Sometimes the production comes out looking nothing like the concept but this is not bad.

jwar
01-01-2004, 11:38 PM
Finally an american car that looks reasonable. It still looks a little disproportioned with the overhang at the back. But I'm still impressed. It kind of reminds me of an older Aston Martin.

Schwalbe
01-03-2004, 02:11 AM
I hope to see this car modified by Saleen and Rousch.

killer66
01-03-2004, 04:07 AM
I love the new mustang. Its great. I cant wait for the 06 Mustang Cobra, the Saleen, and Roush. I also want to see what Shelby will bring to the Mustang again. :mrgreen:

Leo_M3
01-06-2004, 12:30 AM
I really like the look of the new Mustang, looks like Ford is going back to their roots, with the new GT Supercar and this.

I think its a good idea, the new mustang looks SWEET :D

Johns
01-07-2004, 02:45 AM
yea it definitlylooks good, lets just hope the performance backs it up!

zevolv
01-07-2004, 03:20 AM
I love the new mustang. Its great. I cant wait for the 06 Mustang Cobra, the Saleen, and Roush. I also want to see what Shelby will bring to the Mustang again. :mrgreen:

They just showed What Shelby is bringing to the table in the future on the TLC show Rides and its the new Shelby Cobra and its a sweet azz ride with a huge V10 lets just hope it makes it to production.

Chaos in 1983!
01-07-2004, 08:07 PM
I think the concept looks better...it has sharper lines than this one...and that spoiler is just so fucking ugly...I don't like the little window on the C pillar...I also think that the hood scoops and the side vent looked good...I guess we'll see those touches in later models like the Cobra or the SVT

http://www.thehollywoodextra.com/ford/mustang2big.jpg
http://www.highresautoimages.com/ford/gtconcept.jpg

spicymustard
01-07-2004, 08:20 PM
damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I liked the concept so much.

The production version is so average its like they took the concept and decided how they could make it more like the current mustang.

And i really wanted to like the new stang.

Well back to Ford mustang hating for me.

(true i have not seen the proformance figs yet which should be a huge improvement over the current stang)

sickx
01-07-2004, 09:08 PM
Don't count on it... it's a real porker. It really is a shame, since it rides originally on a phenomenal chassis-- DEW98, which is what the Lincoln LS/Jaguar S-type share. Unfortunately they fell to the bean counters and cut costs EVERYWHERE.

dylan99
01-07-2004, 11:08 PM
I don't like the spoiler at the back

dylan99
01-07-2004, 11:09 PM
the new picture from "chaos in 1983" is much better now the mustang looks better

Toronto
01-07-2004, 11:35 PM
i don't think they are using the LS platform, o and this car won't have independent rear suspension (i guess they are going back to their roots.... kinda) and this car brings back alot of memories, when i was growing up my dad had a 67 fastback v8, wow but we left it out one winter (my mom wanted HER can in the garage) and this thing rusted up like nothing i have never seen.

altezza
01-08-2004, 09:23 PM
Some high-res pics for the 2005 Ford mustang, enjoy!
(more pics are available upon requests, any other GM or Ford products in general too)

Picture 1 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST10.jpg)
Picture 2 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST21.jpg)
Picture 3 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST22.jpg)
Picture 4 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST30.jpg)
Picture 5 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST35.jpg)
Picture 6 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST44.jpg)
Picture 7 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST69.jpg)
Picture 8 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST84.jpg)
Picture 9 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUST88.jpg)
Picture 10 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MUSTA8.jpg)
Picture 11 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MustangDialsGreen.jpg)
Picture 12 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MustangDialsPurple.jpg)
Picture 13 (http://www.freepixhosting.com/uploadedfiles/05MustangDialsWhite.jpg)

altezza
01-08-2004, 09:30 PM
Powertrain details of the 2005 Ford Mustang
Overview (http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1052&press_subsection_id=421&make_id=92)
Driving Dynamics (http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1052&press_subsection_id=422&make_id=92)
Powertrain (http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1052&press_subsection_id=423&make_id=92)
Design (http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1052&press_subsection_id=420&make_id=92)
Safety (http://media.ford.com/products/presskit_display.cfm?vehicle_id=1052&press_subsection_id=424&make_id=92)

zevolv
01-08-2004, 09:58 PM
I just have to say that I think the car looks amazing. My dad already put a reserve on for one at a family friend's dealership.

spicymustard
01-08-2004, 10:08 PM
Wow there is alot of bullshit in those articles. L arms are better than A arms--- sure they are. A solid rear axle provides consistent grip---- when? And the whole front suspention designed after the M3's. Thats like saying we dont have the talent to create a good suspention setup so we will try to copy one, aparently unsuccessfully. Then the part about the car having the most advanced suspension of any sub 20K car... well off the top of my head i can think of a few that would lap the stang on a tight course. MX5, MR2/MRS, Mini S (crap i just realized that some of those cars are slightly over 20K) well you get my point.

Damn you FORD, damn you and your consistent medocraty!

And while im pissed off and bitching about ford. Why dosnt ford import/produce the only good fords, the Euro only models, in the US. Damn it why can we have RS focuses and when if it comes out a cosworth focus, or even a puma.
Why can ford create a real sport car? Its not that hard. here is my equation.
Find 2000lbs of metal asemble it into a rear drive platorm with indipendent suspension all around. and you have a drivers car. You know what FORD take a hint and just copy a BMW correctly this time, or an MR2 or Silvia or Alteza/IS300 etc etc... And i want to know what stang owners told ford that the new stang had to have a solid rear axle.!!!!
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And i think that the production 05 Mustang is the offspring of a drunken, regretable, one night stand between the beautiful prototype Stang and its ugly inbred half retarded 04 mustang cusin.

Just my completely bias, half informed thoughts.

mhn3773
01-09-2004, 03:55 AM
sp ur saying a solid rear axel doesnt provide constant grip?? as in itl bump and dodge around???? hmmm interesting

Chaos in 1983!
01-09-2004, 04:05 AM
damn it...every time I look at a picture of the 05 mustang, I think why oh why didn't they make it like the concept...shit man it' just so much better looking...

one more thing...will it be called Mustang GT? or will it eventually have all the range of the current mustang...'cause all the pictures are from the Mustang GT, even those of the production version say Mustang GT.

zevolv
01-09-2004, 04:26 AM
come on the car looks soo much like the old one its great!

blah
01-09-2004, 04:10 PM
thats the Mustang GT version of it. My guess those double hoods from the concept will be back in the Cobra version. just like how this generations stangs, you can tell what type it is just from the hood.

Sachmo12345
01-10-2004, 04:16 PM
when looking at it from the side it looks a lot like the previous model mustand which i dont like it should

S.A
01-14-2004, 04:39 AM
Yep..once again have to say same thing than I said the new Corvette.
Nice to see old times coming back. :)
The new Mustang is, I think it looks cooler than any Mustang last few years.....The nose just remains me about the ponycar years....nice! And the chasis line...remains me about the 65-69 Fastbacks..... and the tail...yes samething. Awesome.

The engine..well it's bit smaller than Corvette' s engine...4,6 litres I think and it has 3 valves per cyllinted, Corvettte has stil only 2. But the power? Well Mustang about 300 and Vette about 400....There is still some gap between these two....
Just looking forward to hearing the Corbras..or Saleen versions of the New Mustang...there could be around 500 horsepower that point! :)
So...shall we wait a bit more? :)

yg60m
01-14-2004, 05:39 AM
The new Mustang is, I think it looks cooler than any Mustang last few years.....The nose just remains me about the ponycar years....nice! And the chasis line...remains me about the 65-69 Fastbacks..... and the tail...yes samething. Awesome.

I agree with you and i think i am not the only one, they couldn't continue to waste the Mustang name with boring and unpersonal cars. Remember the third generation ?? :
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/ford-mustang/images/ford-mustang-1979a.jpg
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/ford-mustang/images/ford-mustang-1982a.jpg
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/ford-mustang/images/ford-mustang-1986a.jpg
What a beautiful car !!! :shock:
There was an improvement for the 4th generation but not enough to wake up and go to a ride.

S.A
01-14-2004, 05:44 AM
Yep, and I think that the new "old" desing has started when New Beatle came on to the markets which followed by Chrysler PT Cruiser....
Now Mustang, Corvette is doing the same....
I hope to the future, that there could be room ex. new Challenger / Charger also......Whit that awesome 70's desing......

blah
01-14-2004, 09:32 PM
The new Cobra version might be able to run with the new Z06s, you never know what the crazy asses at SVT will do. I wouldnt be suprised if you see a Turbo Charged Cobra R.

godspeed06
01-14-2004, 11:31 PM
i doubt it, i've heard the new Z06 will be competitive with the viper. plus, even the slightest chance for it would only be in a straight line. it would never have a chance on the track.

Drogear
01-16-2004, 02:56 AM
I hope the make a new shelby! Does anyone know if the concept one was a 350 or a 500? It would be sweet if they made each! Just like back in the day!

zevolv
01-16-2004, 03:04 AM
The new Cobra version might be able to run with the new Z06s, you never know what the crazy asses at SVT will do. I wouldnt be suprised if you see a Turbo Charged Cobra R.

the new SVT which will be out a year after the new mustang goes on sale will have 400 hp and the new C6 has 400 to start and will have more a year from now when the new Z06 is available and IF they decided to make another CobraR which I highly doubt now that shelby might be joining the new mustang hype, and they would never turbocharge the mustang since the CobraR was a mustang with a larger engine that's what they would do, in motor trend they say that the engine is the same size as the larger displacement F-150 engine. So if they really wanted to that's what they would do again, although that's highly unlikely since the CobraR was offered instead of the normal Cobra, for a year there was only the CobraR and no normal Cobra.

blah
01-16-2004, 05:43 PM
Why would they only bump the new Cobras HP up only 10 horses? 400 horses doesnt sound right.

hemi_fan
01-16-2004, 05:47 PM
why would they bump it up more than that? 400hp is quite a lot. But it would be cool if they used the GT engine when they switched to the 5.4L, 550hp muahahaa!

Gnome
01-24-2004, 10:43 AM
I love that retro look! There have been some worse looking models in between...

They should have made the ass more spectacular, though. For some reason it reminds me of the Nissan 200SX from the early 90's. Something about the spoiler and the tail lights, I think. I agree that the old duck tail would be better.

And the engine: Don't worry, I think they will give it enough power...

00StangGT
01-26-2004, 04:02 PM
the 05 Mustang is just pure hotness.....one of the best looking cars to date. Atleast they didn't just take an old design and rebadge it :cough:GTO:cough:

The production version's design was set in stone before the concept car was even drawn; thus they drew the concept from the production. I fell they did the production version a great job. J. Mays has really set the standard for sports cars. It's the most reasonable 300hp car out there. That and he mada damn sure the body wasn't cluttered. No scoops or louvers, just a smooth body with simple yet elegant GT emblems on the sides.

About the 2006 Cobra. It's not just 10hp they're bumping it up. Try a whopping 500BHP. That's right. It's gonna be a big boy; it'll have straight line speed like a Viper and handle damn near as good as a C6 with the new chassis. Not to mention it will still be a whole lot cheaper :D :D

00StangGT
01-26-2004, 04:04 PM
I hope the make a new shelby!

You're hope has come. Carroll Shelby has rejoined with Ford to produce a Shelby Cobra once again. He'll probably make a Cobra like the old 427 Cobras and a Shelby Mustang. That is also one reason why SVT is not producing a 2005 SVT Cobra. It's a great era for the pony car :hail:

zevolv
01-26-2004, 04:17 PM
I hope the make a new shelby!

You're hope has come. Carroll Shelby has rejoined with Ford to produce a Shelby Cobra once again. He'll probably make a Cobra like the old 427 Cobras and a Shelby Mustang. That is also one reason why SVT is not producing a 2005 SVT Cobra. It's a great era for the pony car :hail:

Actually Ford has suspended the entire SVT line for the 2005 model year so that they can focus all their resources, Man/Money on the Ford GT and they will introduce the new Lightning and Cobra for the 2006 model year, and there is talks of possibly making an EVO/STI contending Focus for 2006/7 The Cobra is just a concept right now and they probably won't go official until after the Auto Show season is over like they did with the GT. And the Shelby Mustang is supposedly being thrown around the table at this time but probably will take a few years to see one.

hemi_fan
01-26-2004, 05:11 PM
Wow, that sounds really exciting! a Rally Focus, Shelby Cobra and Mustang, SVT Cobra, and Lightning all possible contenders for the near future of Ford, I never woulda thought!! the new milleniums is going to be remembered as the "Comeback of Fun Cars". Im so glad im alive. :mrgreen:

undien717
01-28-2004, 01:10 AM
I hope the make a new shelby! Does anyone know if the concept one was a 350 or a 500? It would be sweet if they made each! Just like back in the day!

Man- if they remake the Shelby that would be so crazy. I love that car-

zevolv
01-28-2004, 01:22 AM
I hope the make a new shelby! Does anyone know if the concept one was a 350 or a 500? It would be sweet if they made each! Just like back in the day! The Concept car was a Shelby Cobra not a Shelby Mustang G.T. 350 or 500 they are different cars. And jsut to let everyone know Shelby still sells the Cobra and they are reproducing the 500 E (Eleanor) using original Mustangs

nthfinity
01-28-2004, 02:02 AM
wish they made it look more like the shelby gt500 in the back. it would have been better with the,

well, to calm any worries that mustang is just going to rousche and saleen i quote Carol Shelby directly! "I am moving to Ford to finish my career where it started." this year we have already seen the concept Ford Shelby with a simply amazing V-10 pushing well over 600 ponies, and 550 ft. lbs. although the concept may not come into being, i am fairly confident that a new Shelby GT 500 will be on the way.
another wonderous thing coming to the mustang in the 06 MY will be the new version of the SVT. what makes this so special compared to our 04 svt cobra is the blue oval is currently developing a 5.0 L variant of the 4.6 (4 valvs /cylinder and such ) pushing approx 425hp NA. this is said to be an engine option over a supercharged 4.6.
in my opinion, when HP and torque numbers (in ft. lb. ) are closely matched an engine is properly tuned. this said, the 4.6 3 valve/cylinder is going to be 317 ft lb. and 300 hp.

I think that they are using the lincoln LS chassis, or some Jaguar one

this was true when the concept was revealed; however over the last year, ford engineers discovered there wasnt enough room for the engine, and transmission for the stang, among several other issues. from this, they built a new chassis based on the lincoln ls/ t-bird/ jag, but having completely different demensions including wider, and shorter in length.
any other questions, i have VERY reliable sources for all things Ford

nthfinity
01-28-2004, 02:18 AM
to much to quote here
ill see if i can enlighten some, and not others ;)
i doubt we'll see a mustang cobra R before MY 08, and mustang hasnt had a turbocharged engine since the early 80's running a 4 banger @160hp. turbos are cool, but not as cool as muscle (sry grand national fans). As far as competing with the corvette. save for the 2000 cobra R, mustang has stayed far away from competing in the corners with the vette,b ut in a straight line its always the goal for bang for the buck. but the svt will only end up competing with the standard, and more expensive C6. the upcoming MY06 Zed series vette will be prancing around with a 500hp motor to compete with the viper, and possibly Ford GT. its pricing will be similar to that of the current 500 cubed viper.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the v10 ford developed for the Shelby concept may yet see the light of day as a GM/Ferarri/Lambo/porsche stomper next step ... at least i hope... i wonder if its 6.6 L engine will fit?

zevolv
01-28-2004, 02:27 AM
First learn how to spell Roush and the GT is already a Ferrari, Lamborghini and porsche contender (360CS, Gallardo, GT3 respectively) If anything the engine will be in a production version of the Shelby Cobra or possibly a truck option. and I know a Ford/Roush/Saleen/SVT dealership owner.

nthfinity
01-28-2004, 02:36 AM
thanks for the info on spelling roush :p engineering majors dont worry about spelling as long as the concept is conveyed.
yes the ford GT is all i was saying is that i have a sneaking suspicion that the GT's performance will be upgraded to overwhelm even domestic competition, and to give a good enough reason for potential costomers to shell out an extra 50 large.
But, then again, styling is detrimental, and i dont see the supercar being out-beautified by anything less then italian pasta rockets.
as far as the v10 truck option, ford faded its Triton 6.8L v10 when the excursion ended production.
i cirtainly hope the ford shelby concept is to become a reality; but even my inside source isnt privy to all secrets/decisions. =/
ill work on finding out what the 6.6 V10 is based off of this week

zevolv
01-28-2004, 02:45 AM
I'm sure the final decision on the Shelby Cobra making it into production lies in the hands of one man and his name is Carroll. I'm very happy with our Turbo Diesel in the F-350 it's good enough for a truck especially with the mods. The one thing is if the Lightning has the same engine as the GT why not give it the same power? that would be a place to start because you know they aren't happy with Dodge cheating with the Viper engine.

graywolf624
01-28-2004, 01:00 PM
"lot. But it would be cool if they used the GT engine when they switched to the 5.4L, 550hp muahahaa!
"

That engine is too heavy for a mustang. The engine itself is 700 lbs.

"It's gonna be a big boy; it'll have straight line speed like a Viper and handle damn near as good as a C6 with the new chassis. Not to mention it will still be a whole lot cheaper "
Ummm. With that suspension it won't compete with the c6 ever in handling. You also must take into account that the c6 weighs alot less then this new mustang.

"this was true when the concept was revealed; however over the last year, ford engineers discovered there wasnt enough room for the engine, and transmission for the stang, among several other issues. from this, they built a new chassis based on the lincoln ls/ t-bird/ jag, but having completely different demensions including wider, and shorter in length.
any other questions, i have VERY reliable sources for all things Ford
"
Somewhat true but not completely. The front suspension is an all new piece. The major issue is that instead of the ls sla the front is mcpherson with the rear live rear. While I've long been a proponent here that a suspension system is qualitied by the sum of its parts, a great multilink/independent is superior to a great mcpherson/live rear. As such the mustang doesn't have much of a chance on the track. The other thing we come to is the styling of the car. I don't like it. To clear a misconception the new vette is not a retro design it just holds some former design references. This is important because the mustang is a retro design. Which means it has the aerodynamics of a brick.

It's going to be fast but it wont compete with the vette.

"Why would they only bump the new Cobras HP up only 10 horses? 400 horses doesnt sound right.
"

Why would they leave a huge gap in between the gt and the cobra. They wouldnt. The cobra would be near 400 hp.

nthfinity
01-28-2004, 04:22 PM
the live rear axle is one of the reasons for the modification in chassis; it is cheaper to build, and therefor sell. dont forget, even the 2002 T/A WS6 had a live rear axle (if my memory serves me) all that really means is at the limit, the vehicle isnt quite as predictable due to axle hop. if im wrong about the ws6, sorry ill ask my mate about it later today.

graywolf624
01-28-2004, 04:28 PM
the live rear axle is one of the reasons for the modification in chassis; it is cheaper to build, and therefor sell. dont forget, even the 2002 T/A WS6 had a live rear axle (if my memory serves me) all that really means is at the limit, the vehicle isnt quite as predictable due to axle hop. if im wrong about the ws6, sorry ill ask my mate about it later today.


The ws6 does have a live rear axle in it. (considering my iroc has an 02 SS rear in it. same car). The ws6 had sla though. Also as I said. While a rear axle and mcpherson strut isnt a guarentee that it will be beat by a multilink/independent, overall potential of the multilink is higher. Furthermore, similar quality in design means the multilink will be better. (note i said similar quality. this doesnt mean a fwd car will beat a camaro or mustang)
The corvette has a superior setup. Has for quite some time.

The 03 mustang cobra had a multilink. The issue was it was done poorly. To the point where road racers swapped back the live rear axle.

nthfinity
01-28-2004, 04:45 PM
the biggest problem with the multilink in the cobra was wheel spin was to heavy. the live rear could be easily/cheaply modded with lockers to get both spinning at the same rate thus producing faster 1/4th times. and i agree that the mutilink was done poorly.
news flash for the previous gen mustang was it wasnt designed in a wind tunnel either. cirtainly the looks of any car arent liked by everyone; its just opinion on a per person basis.... like music. the c/d is supposedly .32 it may be a brick, but a smaller brick then an suv. the only time aero comes in with cars is when traveling in excess of 120mph.... where on supercars like the 360 challenge, the d/f is only in the area of 200 lbs.... this is cirtainly better then 0, or a coefeiciant of lift. just by general car disign, there is inherent lift if there is airflow of significant nature on the underside. this is why there is usually some sort of front spoiler, and rear bonet or spioler to negate, or reverse the lift effects.

graywolf624
01-28-2004, 04:58 PM
faster 1/4th times.

I'm talking about road racing. I couldn't care less about the 1/4.


c/d is supposedly .32 it may be a brick, but a smaller brick then an suv. the only time aero comes in with cars is when traveling in excess of 120mph

Please remember that c/d means nothing without accounting for the cars frontal area.
Drag = 1/391 x Cd x A x Vsquared


this is cirtainly better then 0, or a coefeiciant of lift. just by general car disign, there is inherent lift if there is airflow of significant nature on the underside. this is why there is usually some sort of front spoiler, and rear bonet or spioler to negate, or reverse the lift effects.

How did we go from talking about the cars high drag to lift? I'm criticizing drag not lift vs downforce..
It isn't as high as 120 mph either. Around 40-50 mph aerodynamics begin to have an effect. Does it make it a poor road car? No. But it does mean that it's got yet another disadvantage versus the vette. Yes
I'm not critcizing the car. The mustang has never been a car that put performance ahead of style(what I prefer). I'm just trying to correct this notion that it'll have a shot in hell against the corvette. Ford doesn't want it to compete with the vette either. That isn't the point of the car.

nthfinity
01-28-2004, 05:07 PM
~~~~~i never said it competes with the vette..... just the svt will against the standard modle c6 in a straight line. the drag you are describing is parasitic drag :)

How did we go from talking about the cars high drag to lift?

i guess i see something i want to contest in a thread sometimes, and attempt to refute it with my carnal knowlege :?

graywolf624
01-28-2004, 05:14 PM
i never said it competes with the vette..... just the svt will against the standard modle c6 in a straight line. the drag you are describing is parasitic drag

It was directed at the guy who likes to use slang for mustang in his name, not you.
He was comparing the 2.

And what type of aerodynamic problem did you think I would be discussing? You can't tell a cars lift and down force just by looking at a few pictures. You can tell that the front is shaped like a brick. Thats more then obvious.

Don't take things so personal, I refuted about 4 different people in one post and then gave my opinion on the design.

vegetoxx
02-21-2004, 11:38 PM
I hope to see this car modified by Saleen and Rousch.
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I agree. I can't wait to what these guys do to the new platform. The basic lines to the car a ok. But future models should be a little more aggressive. The 05 looks a little to clean for me. However, all this can be quickly over looked if they make the new 06 Mustang Cobra with the Shelby Concept V10. HINT...HINT :!: 8)

kn7671
03-03-2004, 09:19 AM
I have to say I am glad that for redesigned the Mustang after another long 10+ years on the current Mustang, but this car is becoming more and more of a niche product and is losing sales quickly. GM saw the light, why can't Ford.

Ford needs to Focus on real cars for real people. If you are 25-35 years old, what current Ford car would you buy if you wanted to go fast. The Focus is a joke with the engines and drivetrains available here is the USA, and the Mustang still has a solid rear axle, underpowered V8 engine. It has to be one of the more INefficient V8's on the market today. Almost every other car manufacturer can make V8's of 4.2L or larger make over 300HP, and Ford is just now stepping to that mark. On top of that, the Mustangs fuel mileage is one of the poorest of all current V8 equipped cars in America. The Corvette ZO6 gets much better mileage, and it makes more power and is a larger engine.

Come on Ford, get with it. Make some advancements in this car. I want honest to goodness suspension on all Mustangs, drop the solid live axle. Improve the dampers, the Mustang rides harsh and wants to bump itself off the road. Give us a real V6 making 250+hp, then offer a nice 350+hp V8 as standard GT level. The Cobra should be a 425+HP engine using a NA 5.4L engine, not a SC 4.6L.

What a weak factory effort. I would be embarresed to buy a Mustang Cobra with a SuperCharger from the factory. Here is a company that has heritage of making the V8 popular, and racing history with high-powered NA V8's, but to have to result to SC'ing from the factory, horrible.

hanasand
03-15-2004, 12:50 PM
OMG it's nice, but the concept had some details like the air intakes I would pay much to see on the final model...