New Porsche ???

[Fleischmann]

I was reading a german car mag at the newsagents and saw a picrure of a cool Porsche. I think it is a concept with a V8 engine, it may be out in 2005 ??? Anyone heard anything about this ??? I checked on all the Porsche fan internet pages, but I ain't found nothin'.

[Donny]

Yes, it will be a 4 doors en 4 seated family car. A dutch carmagazine called Autovisie wrote a two page story about it. I think it is damn ugly!!! Porsche should stick to its core business.....making sportscars, not Jeeps, Family cars and vacuumcleaners etc.

Regards Don

[altedza]

Yes, it will be a 4 doors en 4 seated family car. A dutch carmagazine called Autovisie wrote a two page story about it. I think it is damn ugly!!! Porsche should stick to its core business.....making sportscars, not Jeeps, Family cars and vacuumcleaners etc.

Regards Don

yeah, i like how things are.. for all things. thats why things like.. the mercedes A class, the bmw 1 series, etc upset me. the cayenne was fantastic however. :}

[stradale]

Go to the "Porsche news" thread on the Car Chat forum if you want to know more about it. St-anger is well informed on the subject.

[Fleischmann]

I'lll check it out. THX :)

[Fleischmann]

Hey Donny !! The car I caught a glimpse of was rather a sports car, so let's hope we aren't talking about the same car. Porsche isn't what it used to be, ever since it has started to produce SUV's. :(

[user]

I guess business is important to any car company. I can understand how Porsche have to increase their profits and market share. There's Lamborghini whao are, with new life thanks to Audi, making better meaner sport cars and expanding their line up and sports car market coverage with their new Gallardo, There's Ferrari, the most highest earing sports car brand, who have the 575M grand tourer, the Enzo which currently is the peak of the supercar, the 360 Modena, the best selling Ferrari ever, and a new racing version the 360 Challenge Stradale, and an all new 612 Scaglietti. Aston Martin is coming with an all new DB9 and if the pressure by other sport car brands wasnt enough, brands whose products are less sport oriented like Mercedes Benz' highend AMG models and the all new SLR are getting into the field. BMW and its new 6 series and its up coming M models certainly dont make things easy for those selling high power performance machines.
With the ever expanding sports car market, Porsche is doing what they think are taking the appropriate measures. They used their 4 wheel drive technology and their status brand image to sell the Cayenne (Carrera means race in Spanish and has an emotional exciting feel to it. Boxter, it sounds like its here to rip your head off, Cayenne? name of an ingredient made of chili........ :? ) and have a piece of the never ending expansion of the American SUV market. After Porsche left the air cooled engine and the body frame that takes its roots to the very first 901, Porsche fanatics, like I, were undoubtly very disappointed with Porsches move to make an SUV. For the Porsche hardcore fans, its more than just the performance figures, of course, what is on paper is extremely important, but it is more than that. the 911 is engineering triumph and excellence, its taking an idea that is polarized, (the rear engine configuration is great for downforce, but on curves, when things get out of controll, due to the laws of physics, it will attack you) and perfecting it so it uses all of its attributes and overcomes all the troubles. The result? a car that has so much downforce and which uses it on the curves to its advantage. The 911 is the success of engineering evolution. the handling is perfected and it is so alive. The shape of the 911 is legendary and being behind the wheel of one, you feel proud that you dont agree to the norm. When everyone said the rear engine configuration was a bad idea, Porsche stuck to it and proved that it could be better than what others called a good idea, a mid engined car. Mid engine cars are great, amazing machines no doubt, but Porsche did things the hard way and made something that is as good as any mid engined car and arguably better. The persistence, the unstoppable surge to achieve perfection, that's what Porsche is about, what it symbolizes and what makes it a legend, a value beyond just a great machine. This is what Porsche is regarded as to those who love Porsche. So the departure of the orginal characteristics of the 911 upset those like me, however, with the much improved handling, grip, performance figures and track times, I am no longer in contempt. Actually, the 911 Turbo, GT2 and GT3 are the best performing Porsches ever and not just on paper and track times. But as soon as Porsche fans were embracing the new 911, the Cayenne emerged. It is a great machine, its off road abilities are brilliant and its road performance stunning for a SUV. But its not what Porsche symbolizes. Just then, when you thought they did sell out,,, the Carrera GT.... silence. performance performance performance.
So, what is happening? first they throw you off with the departure of the orginal 911, then they bring you back with the best 911's so far, then they throw you off again, with the Cayenne. and now,, the Carrera GT. disease-medicine-diesease-medicine. If you think about it Porsche is quite smart. They make the most profit out of their brand value and technology and expand their position in the market and still do a good job at keeping the fanatics.
aaaand now,,, a 4 door Porsche? something to upset the Porsche enthusiasts again? might be an obvious move considering their disease-medicine-disease-medicine pattern. I think whatever Porsche make will be great. They have made front, mid and rear engined cars, posses 4 wheel drive technology and the latest suspension and steering technology thanks to its achievement in perfecting a rear engined car. No matter how man doors it has, itll have sportiness that no other 4 door sedan has and handling of a sports car, or at least I hope. But again, this isnt what Porsche symbolizes. Buuuuut,,, hope isnt entirely lost, if this is the disease, or increasing profit as Porsche would believe, then the step would be a cure,,,, the new 911.

[Fleischmann]

I just visited http://www.autovisie.nl and I'm sure it's not this mag because that one had the porsche on the frontpage.

[Fleischmann]

Yes, but the standard Porsche 911 is much cheaper than any Ferrari or Aston Martin, it always has, is and probably always
will be dominating the sports car market in that specific price range.So there is practically no rivalry because we are dealing with an AM and a Porsche.

[st-anger]

as stradale pointed out, you can find some hints in the "Porsche news" about the so called 4th Porsche or how we call it the E2 A/B modells...
it´s very likely that i´ll be involved in the project, which is already running, but as you can also read in the "PN" i´m not allowed to tell any details, but if you´re interested check my thread for some upcomming infos...
here´s the pic of the article you´re referring:
http://members.aon.at/st-anger/4th_Porsche_1.JPG

[Fleischmann]

THX St.Anger. I'll certainly do that :)

[flat6]

This'll have Porsche nuts fuming after the Cayenne... in only a couple of years, to go from solely 911 to four models.

[Ivanhoe]

user, you have great points, i totally agree

[DMbaseball1604]

I agree with user, whatever Porsche will make will be great but I'm still dissapointed to see Porsche go into a whole different market ....I would like to see them stay exclusive, and maybe even be more exclusive like Ferrari, but then again like I said whatever Porsche builds will be great and it wouldn't really be fair if everyone couldn't own one.

[COFair]

This 4 door coupe above looks AMAZING! In fact, for me it would be most beautiful than the 911 !

[HeilSvenska]

You are crazy COFair. We all know that Porsche does not belong in 4-door business. Besides, why have a new car when you have the wonderful 997 that pays homage to beautiful 993? :twisted:

[Ivanhoe]

^ now lets not get carried away... lol i agree it dont look bad ( i didnt think the cayenne was bad either) but better looking than the 911? uhhh not for me..

[SamuraiGti]

I like the car =) Porsche will keep the exclusivity because isn't anybody that can afford to buy a porsche. Apart from Boxter that is not a Porsche for me.

[Toronto]

the super sedan test of a life time V-10m5, E-55(65?)amg, Rs6, and this!! :D

and doesn't this car look the front of a CGT and the side and back of a new Maxima