Porsche readying Veyron rival

[nickthaskater]

Porsche is working on a rival to the Bugatti Veyron, according to the latest issue of the U.K.'s Autocar magazine. The car will use the GT1 moniker, and offer around 950 horsepower, the report says. Top speed should be right around Veyron at approximately 254 mph. The GT1 will pick up where the now-discontinued Porsche Carrera GT left off. It will share many components and design elements with the car, as well as technology from the automaker's forthcoming Le Mans competitor. Unlike the Carrera GT, the new GT1 will have a full roof, despite carrying over the chassis from the über roadster. The car will likely be offered as a 2009 model.
Nice to see my favourite Porsche road car nameplate making a return, and it seems it'll be meaner than ever! :D

http://i3.tinypic.com/166ktw2.jpg
*this is the old GT1, not the one from the article

[nthfinity]

eh

I honestly dont see Porsche going more then 800 hp myself.

not to mention, Porsche isn't aiming at disenfrancheising VW group since they have in excess of 20% of thier stake.

besides, 800 hp and a clean roof profile would have a GT1-ish porsche topping 230 easily, even with significant d/f.

I go a step further and suggest that porsche might stay at or below 220 mph as there is no proper track that allows such rediculous speeds... Even NS you would need tremendous D/F down Dottinger...

[HeilSvenska]

Well, no matter what it is, if it's going to be called a GT1, then it should enter the GT class races.

[yg60m]

Autocar is used to put these sort of claims to sell some issues (I am a subscriber BTW :wink: ) but it's BS IMO, Porsche is not used to target these sort of records, just look at the 959 and the CGT, they weren't the fastest or most powerful of their generation (maybe the 959 when it was announced ... ) but they focus on technology and driving. I strongly doubt that there is something true in this article ...

[nickthaskater]

Ah well, I can always hope :love:

[mv]

Porsche may want to wipe the floor with the upcoming Ferrari F60. :P

[5vz-fe]

Porsche may want to wipe the floor with the upcoming Ferrari F60. :P

Ferrari Enzo is considered to be the F60 already :wink:

[black_magician]

^^ who decided that? I've never understood why that happened. the enzo came out a few years after the F50 and it gets called the f60 already? It's more like the F54.

when will porsche make a GT4? we've been through several GT3's already, so they could just skip and go straight to the GT5, if they didn't like the sound of "GT4"

[mv]

Porsche may want to wipe the floor with the upcoming Ferrari F60. :P

Ferrari Enzo is considered to be the F60 already :wink:

By whom ? Jeremy Clarkson, fools and naps ? :wink:

It has probably been said thousand times but it seems it needs to be repeated again - Enzo is not the F60.

[nthfinity]

i really dont see Porsche doing this as they arent typically the type to go out of thier way to try and break records


cough cough.... 956/962.... how long was it that much better then the competition? ;)
cough....917....
cough.... 935 Mobey Dick...
cough****cough Nurburgring "7:32" ;)

they dont try to break "those kind of records" ;)

[5vz-fe]

Porsche may want to wipe the floor with the upcoming Ferrari F60. :P

Ferrari Enzo is considered to be the F60 already :wink:

By whom ? Jeremy Clarkson, fools and naps ? :wink:

It has probably been said thousand times but it seems it needs to be repeated again - Enzo is not the F60.

It is like 288 jumping to F40.....it is not necessary to bare a continous name. It is just the top of the line limited production super car produced by Ferrari.

[nickthaskater]

Porsche may want to wipe the floor with the upcoming Ferrari F60. :P

Ferrari Enzo is considered to be the F60 already :wink:
It was the FX actually, Clarkson was the only jackass who incessently called it the F60.

[nthfinity]

Porsche may want to wipe the floor with the upcoming Ferrari F60. :P

Ferrari Enzo is considered to be the F60 already :wink:
It was the FX actually, Clarkson was the only jackass who incessently called it the F60.

and virtually everybody else when the first pictures/video of the develpment mule with "enzoish" skin on ;)

only later did Ferrari say it was the FX; and later the Enzo

[martin100]

I also strongly doubt that there is anything true in that article. Porsche simply doesn´t need to build a car with that much power. Their sales are so well at the moment that such a car would be nonsense IMO.

[nickthaskater]

Porsche may want to wipe the floor with the upcoming Ferrari F60. :P

Ferrari Enzo is considered to be the F60 already :wink:
It was the FX actually, Clarkson was the only jackass who incessently called it the F60.

and virtually everybody else when the first pictures/video of the develpment mule with "enzoish" skin on ;)

only later did Ferrari say it was the FX; and later the Enzo
Difference being, Clarkson continued to do so even after its release, and after Ferrari had very clearly called it the FX during development. Either way, ithe Enzo was the FX, not F60.

And back to the topic, does anyone recall how long the Veyron production run goes for? I'm thinking it will probably be over by 2009 (when this Porsche would supposedly go on sale), but I'm not 100%.

[TopGearNL]

Porsche and Bugatti are in the same concern, Volkswagen. Well at least they have some share in Porsche anyhow, that would just be stupid competing with yourself :|

And I know that people are likely to say: ''What about the Ferrari Enzo and the Maserati MC12, they were in the same concern!'' True true, but Maserati build that car in the first place because they wanted to race the car, you have to build a certain number of roadcars before you can do that.

[nickthaskater]

Well after a bit of researching, it seems that Bugatti plan to build 300 Veyrons (feel free to correct if wrong), and they're pushing out around 70 per year, so there will indeed be some overlap with this Porsche should it actually come out in '09.

That said though, pretty much anyone who wanted a Veyron will have bought one by then, so a Porsche like this wouldn't really be competing against anything (with the Veyron only having less than 50 cars left in production by then). They Veyron will be fairly old by supercar standards by then anyways.

[dannyroz]

If this is going into production we shall be officially entering a new territory of supercars where 1000hp is the norm...and i bloody love it

My guess though is that they use a V8 with twin variable turbos that they developed for the 997 turbo

muahahaha muahahahahaha

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6571/drevil1ly.jpg

[nickthaskater]

Well with the Enzo's successor on the way with over 800hp, the Koenigsegg CCX capable of 900hp, and even the Corvette and Viper entering the 600hp+ club, it certainly seems like the hyper cars of tomorrow will be expected to have around 800-1000hp...

Absolutely fucking fantastic if that's how it all plays out haha :D

[Bernardo]

BS IMHO

[Global Warming]

But I doubt the Porsche will be a 4300lbs boat either!! I don’t understand why people keep talking about hp numbers and don’t talk about the weight! One is meaningless without the other. People see the Veyron has 1000HP are like "OHHHH that’s so cool!" But never menting that the damn thing weighs almost as much as a Honda Odyssey mini-van!!

[TopGearNL]

Its not how many horsepower you have, its how you put them down on the road.

Ariel Atom (only) 300 HP but what a car :shock:

[Global Warming]

Its not how many horsepower you have, its how you put them down on the road.

Ariel Atom (only) 300 HP but what a car :shock:

No its because the Atom only weighs 1005lbs!

The veyron weighs more than 4 Atoms!! So it’s pretty easy to figure out. The Atom would have 1200HP if it was the same weight as the Veyron! (and the power was increased proportionately).

[nickthaskater]

But I doubt the Porsche will be a 4300lbs boat either!! I don’t understand why people keep talking about hp numbers and don’t talk about the weight! One is meaningless without the other. People see the Veyron has 1000HP are like "OHHHH that’s so cool!" But never menting that the damn thing weighs almost as much as a Honda Odyssey mini-van!!
Very true, though the Veyron does somehow manage it's obesity quite well haha.

The old GT1 weighed in at 2536 to 2646 lbs, depending on the year (the original in '96 was the lightest)
And the CGT weighed in at 3042 lbs

So if they do go through with this new car, with that much power, and potential for such little weight, with an actual closed cockpit design (better aero and stiffer), holy shit...

[TopGearNL]

Yes but I didn't say that there was anything wrong with the Veyron GH, the cost maybe but nothing more :)

[Global Warming]

But I doubt the Porsche will be a 4300lbs boat either!! I don’t understand why people keep talking about hp numbers and don’t talk about the weight! One is meaningless without the other. People see the Veyron has 1000HP are like "OHHHH that’s so cool!" But never menting that the damn thing weighs almost as much as a Honda Odyssey mini-van!!
Very true, though the Veyron does somehow manage it's obesity quite well haha.



Does it?

I have seen no road test of the Veyron except for that straight line thing they did on Top Gear. Has a Veyron been out on the ring yet? Or any other track? I have a feeling they don’t want it out there because its times would not even come anywhere close to its hype.

[nickthaskater]

They ran the Veyron around the 'Ring while it was in development, it looked quite composed from the video I saw.

Edit:
This is just a rumor as of now as I have no confirmation, but I've heard that on the first episode of Top Gear after the World Cup break, the Stig is going to run it around their track.

I hope to God that they actually do...

[666fast]

Well.......... there have been rumors of an upcoming LMP1 car since the debut of the LMP2 car in ALMS, Lemans etc..... It was announced not too long ago that by 2010, LMP1 cars would have to be closed cockpit. Maybe this is it and not an actual road car?

We'll have to wait and see it seems.

[dannyroz]

Lets put into consideration both the history of Porsche and Bugatti:

Bugatti has always been a luxury car with gobs of power and new technology to show the world what the standard of luxury driving should be.

Porsche has focused on lightweight designs where state of the art engineering led to success on the track for years and years to come.

Both of these things in mind, Porsche will not build a "big boobed girl" like the Veyron. The CGT came in weighing at 3000 lbs off the top of my head so if we try to take into account safety issues, weight of motor, luxury acutriments then I think it would be possible for it to weigh about 3200-3400 lbs.

P.S-Its unfair to compare the Atom to the Veyron

[Global Warming]

P.S-Its unfair to compare the Atom to the Veyron

I agree and I'm not the one that started that comparison. I just think it’s so funny that people go so crazy over the "1000HP" number and never mention that it’s in a car that weighs 4300 pounds.

What ever the HP number 300, 700, 1000 it’s totally meaningless if you don’t also include the weight of the car.

[nthfinity]

Well.......... there have been rumors of an upcoming LMP1 car since the debut of the LMP2 car in ALMS, Lemans etc..... It was announced not too long ago that by 2010, LMP1 cars would have to be closed cockpit. Maybe this is it and not an actual road car?

We'll have to wait and see it seems.

without the competitino of that made Group C so great... i donno... racing isn't as fun as it used to be competition-wise.

If the whole field and Audi were running R10's then it might get interesting with privateer's own development programs.

thats what i like about the RK Spyder in LMP2.... its a costomer car all the way after this season... hopefully LMP racing wont be so seemingly "dull" next season

[Schwalbe]

I like the idea of a Porsche Übersupercar like the Veyron, but this is very doubtful that will be concretize. :hmm:

[666fast]

Well.......... there have been rumors of an upcoming LMP1 car since the debut of the LMP2 car in ALMS, Lemans etc..... It was announced not too long ago that by 2010, LMP1 cars would have to be closed cockpit. Maybe this is it and not an actual road car?

We'll have to wait and see it seems.

without the competitino of that made Group C so great... i donno... racing isn't as fun as it used to be competition-wise.

If the whole field and Audi were running R10's then it might get interesting with privateer's own development programs.

thats what i like about the RK Spyder in LMP2.... its a costomer car all the way after this season... hopefully LMP racing wont be so seemingly "dull" next season

Group C failed because it's self destructed. Ther eisa limit to how much money a manufacturer is going to spend on racing. It got waaaaay to exepensive for most companies to run in Group C.

That said, there are supposedly, a lot of new manufacturers coming to ALMS an LeMans. It's all rumors right now. But a lot of the rumors over the last year proved to be true when many people said it wouldn't happen.

The Audi R10's will be in private hands soon.

[nickthaskater]

Don't forget about the upcoming diesel Peugeot LMP1 car too.

[sads]

I would love to see it and can only pray that they would make it, but I can't just see it beeing made The Veyron has set records that are just so high to see them topped so soon after its realease and for probably half the price just seems unrealistic

[nickthaskater]

4 years isn't really that soon.

[evoWalo]

just 950 bhp? that's puny compared to the veyron's 1000+ bhp

[nickthaskater]

Well they sure didn't build them to go slowly.

[Nick6]

So is the Gemballa Mirage and 9ff GT1 a go ahead?