evo #91 - Fast Club 2006 (24 pages)

[TT]

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[bmwmpower]

that marcos is pretty fast from 0-100-0 ,also nice car and its chepear then vette

thanks TT

[Wutputt]

Thanks TT. I'll read it later on.

[dingo]

Interesting results, especially the Lambos much better laptime than the Z06.....time for another war I think.

Thanks TT. :D

[nthfinity]

Interesting results, especially the Lambos much better laptime than the Z06.....time for another war I think.

Thanks TT. :D

LOL, 2 seconds is a lot, but I'd hope for 2 seconds quicker for an extra $200,000 ;)

it still stands that the Z is the bargin of the century :) you might argue the caterham... but well, V max @ 15th isn't impressive, and really isn't a real car... its a track day weapon... but even then, it doesn't separate itself that much from the pack.

the Ascari makes the Gallardo look cheap.... and Id much rather have the lambo ;)

the final position is based soley on opinion, and not overal performance tracking.... if it were, the Z06 would be tied for first with the Ascari from a strictly performance standpoint ;) with the gallardo close behind

[dingo]

Don't worry - I was just trying to get a reaction. ;)

I respect the Z06, its a great car and definately a performance bargain.

[Kiran]

Very interesting indeed.

Ah oow, the Z06 got spanked by the Gallardo on the track :P

[No.1]

Interesting results, especially the Lambos much better laptime than the Z06.....time for another war I think.

Thanks TT. :D

LOL, 2 seconds is a lot, but I'd hope for 2 seconds quicker for an extra $200,000 ;)

it still stands that the Z is the bargin of the century :) you might argue the caterham... but well, V max @ 15th isn't impressive, and really isn't a real car... its a track day weapon... but even then, it doesn't separate itself that much from the pack.

the Ascari makes the Gallardo look cheap.... and Id much rather have the lambo ;)

the final position is based soley on opinion, and not overal performance tracking.... if it were, the Z06 would be tied for first with the Ascari from a strictly performance standpoint ;) with the gallardo close behind

In the UK - a Gallardo is £120k, and a C6 Z06 more like £60k - a smaller saving than in the US.

Still - take a look at the TG laptimes board - plenty of expensive cars get embarrassed by cheaper cars - you need to take into account the whole package. The Lambo nudges it for me, but the Z06 did a great job :good:

[RC45]

So being quicker than everything thrown at it 0-100-0 other than a purpose-built kit-car-go-cart still gets the car no respect? ;)

That is the definition of jealousy guys :P ;)

Nuff said - :)

[Daggernite]

Respect to the Z!! :D

I think Id get the Z06 rather than the Gallardo, simple fact is I dont car about the interior, performance is so similar my novice ass wont beable to tell. But from that stand point, Id also not get the Z06, Id buy a cheaper TVR Sagaris. But then I may even just get a even cheaper subari STI.

:roll: so many choice.

Damn back on topic--- thanks RC for the scan, im looking forward to reading it tonight.

[RC45]

Damn back on topic--- thanks RC for the scan, im looking forward to reading it tonight.

Thanks belong to TT for this one ;)

[No.1]

Respect to the Z!! :D

I think Id get the Z06 rather than the Gallardo, simple fact is I dont car about the interior, performance is so similar my novice ass wont beable to tell. But from that stand point, Id also not get the Z06, Id buy a cheaper TVR Sagaris. But then I may even just get a even cheaper subari STI.

:roll: so many choice.

Damn back on topic--- thanks RC for the scan, im looking forward to reading it tonight.

But what about the "security" of the 4wd lambo? Does that not help your "novice ass" more than a rwd rocket ship?
Remember the pics RC posted of a crashed Z06 after a novice (or idiot - take your pic) lost it on cold tyres? :roll:

[1zippo1]

But what about the "security" of the 4wd lambo? Does that not help your "novice ass" more than a rwd rocket ship?
Remember the pics RC posted of a crashed Z06 after a novice (or idiot - take your pic) lost it on cold tyres? :roll:

I remember seeing a video of a Gallardo chasing a 996 GT3 Mk2 on the road. And on one corner where the GT3 went through without over or understeering, the Gallardo understeered so heavily that he hit the curb. It was no heavy crash, but it got me wondering if 4WD was really so much better on the road...

[RC45]

Respect to the Z!! :D

I think Id get the Z06 rather than the Gallardo, simple fact is I dont car about the interior, performance is so similar my novice ass wont beable to tell. But from that stand point, Id also not get the Z06, Id buy a cheaper TVR Sagaris. But then I may even just get a even cheaper subari STI.

:roll: so many choice.

Damn back on topic--- thanks RC for the scan, im looking forward to reading it tonight.

But what about the "security" of the 4wd lambo? Does that not help your "novice ass" more than a rwd rocket ship?
Remember the pics RC posted of a crashed Z06 after a novice (or idiot - take your pic) lost it on cold tyres? :roll:

And you beliee that some how some way 500hp 4wd will save you?

[Daggernite]

Damn back on topic--- thanks RC for the scan, im looking forward to reading it tonight.

Thanks belong to TT for this one ;)

Oh :oops: sorry about that, I knew TT did the scan, why I put RC I dont know :?: So thanks TT, I just came back to read it.

number1: I know the Gallardo has 4WD thats true, but is it worth the extra money though? Also I like FR layout just alil more than 4WD cars, so I would'nt be too happy paying all that extra about something im not too bothered about. If I was rich, id have both :P

[TeflonTron]

But what about the "security" of the 4wd lambo? Does that not help your "novice ass" more than a rwd rocket ship?
Remember the pics RC posted of a crashed Z06 after a novice (or idiot - take your pic) lost it on cold tyres? :roll:

I remember seeing a video of a Gallardo chasing a 996 GT3 Mk2 on the road. And on one corner where the GT3 went through without over or understeering, the Gallardo understeered so heavily that he hit the curb. It was no heavy crash, but it got me wondering if 4WD was really so much better on the road...

Do you have a link to that? The video that I have is of a Porsche chasing a Gallardo, and the Porsche understeers and hits the wall.

[dingo]

Look what I've started, very suprising......

So being quicker than everything thrown at it 0-100-0 other than a purpose-built kit-car-go-cart still gets the car no respect? ;)

That is the definition of jealousy guys :P ;)

Nuff said - :)

*cough* *cough*



I respect the Z06, its a great car and definately a performance bargain.

[spanky]

Thanks for the scan TT. :D

Looks like a good read.

[1zippo1]

But what about the "security" of the 4wd lambo? Does that not help your "novice ass" more than a rwd rocket ship?
Remember the pics RC posted of a crashed Z06 after a novice (or idiot - take your pic) lost it on cold tyres? :roll:

I remember seeing a video of a Gallardo chasing a 996 GT3 Mk2 on the road. And on one corner where the GT3 went through without over or understeering, the Gallardo understeered so heavily that he hit the curb. It was no heavy crash, but it got me wondering if 4WD was really so much better on the road...

Do you have a link to that? The video that I have is of a Porsche chasing a Gallardo, and the Porsche understeers and hits the wall.

shit, euhm, now you got me doubting. I hope I didn't mix it up. Don't think so...
Don't know where you can find the video, it was posted some 1.5 years ago I estimate.

[No.1]

Also I like FR layout just alil more than 4WD cars, so I would'nt be too happy paying all that extra about something im not too bothered about.

Liar - what's that 4WD rally master doing in your avatar then? :P

RC - 4WD definitely wouldn't save me.

Can i ask your opinion though...?

Do you think the Z06 is a more or less difficult to drive than a Gallardo? From a novice point of view.

And which car do you think would be easier to master/drive at the limit?

Cheers.

(BTW - not trying to stick up for either car here, i think they are two very different animals)

[godspeed06]

i hope evo does a comparison later on between teh z06 and lambo... both cars only had a few hundred miles on them, so the comparison doesnt AS accurately show performance as it will with two broken in engines and correctly heat cycled brakes. either way, both cars need very talented drivers to reach their limits. asking which one is "easiest" to drive fast should be a function of the drivers experience with the cars themselves or ones similar. it almost comes down to a preference. i can say however, almost definitively, that the z06 is harder to launch. its TM system is giving drivers problems on the 1/4 mile track. the best approach to launching it still hasnt been found by those who own and race them. still, a great article. thanks for scanning!

[coombsie66]

i hope evo does a comparison later on between teh z06 and lambo... both cars only had a few hundred miles on them, so the comparison doesnt AS accurately show performance as it will with two broken in engines and correctly heat cycled brakes. either way, both cars need very talented drivers to reach their limits. asking which one is "easiest" to drive fast should be a function of the drivers experience with the cars themselves or ones similar. it almost comes down to a preference. i can say however, almost definitively, that the z06 is harder to launch. its TM system is giving drivers problems on the 1/4 mile track. the best approach to launching it still hasnt been found by those who own and race them. still, a great article. thanks for scanning!

The brakes would be bedded in quite adequately by the time they did these tests, as long as they know what they are doing. but i agree on the engines, they would loosen up after a couple thousand miles.

[5.7 V10]

Thanks for the article scans TT:

I'm glad the KZ1 finally gets the respect it deserves, sure it may be expensive but it's one superb supercar. Lap Time is excellent, i'd love to see how the KZ1 fared in a Sport Auto supertest.

[RC45]

*cough* *cough*



I respect the Z06, its a great car and definately a performance bargain.

Hey!!! We have a friend down under :P ;)


RC - 4WD definitely wouldn't save me.

Can i ask your opinion though...?

Do you think the Z06 is a more or less difficult to drive than a Gallardo? From a novice point of view.

And which car do you think would be easier to master/drive at the limit?

Cheers.

(BTW - not trying to stick up for either car here, i think they are two very different animals)
Hhhhmmm - 60,000 miles into living with my car, I would probably have to say the Z... at first I was a little intimidated by the high HP tail happy FR layout - but in the end I got really comfortable with it.

The important thing with my C5 gen car, is that I did make a few bone head moves and was a little ham-fisted early on - and the chassis was forgiving enough to let me come back and play another day.

Had this been a 996 GT3 for example, a comparable performance car, I would have been dead or severly mangled laying in a ditch with the car wedged in a pinetree... :)

I am not saying the Gallardo is anywhere near as temperamental as GT3 - or as precise - but I am guessing (guessing mind you) that even though it is a 4WD car, the mid-rear layout and weight distribution may not reward clumsy moves with indifferent tollerance displayed by the Z06 (I have heard this is true of the C6 Z as well).

[No.1]

Hhhhmmm - 60,000 miles into living with my car, I would probably have to say the Z... at first I was a little intimidated by the high HP tail happy FR layout - but in the end I got really comfortable with it.

The important thing with my C5 gen car, is that I did make a few bone head moves and was a little ham-fisted early on - and the chassis was forgiving enough to let me come back and play another day.

Had this been a 996 GT3 for example, a comparable performance car, I would have been dead or severly mangled laying in a ditch with the car wedged in a pinetree... :)

I am not saying the Gallardo is anywhere near as temperamental as GT3 - or as precise - but I am guessing (guessing mind you) that even though it is a 4WD car, the mid-rear layout and weight distribution may not reward clumsy moves with indifferent tollerance displayed by the Z06 (I have heard this is true of the C6 Z as well).

Thanks for your opinion. Nice to hear from a real owner who isn't a pro-driving-journo.

Of course, i'm still having a Gallardo :P

[RC45]

Of course, i'm still having a Gallardo :P

No problemo mate... ;) That way when we go out driving together I can give you a lift home if your Gallardo ever ends up wedged in a pinetree.. ;)