Giving away a Lamborghini Diablo

[jvo]

Yes, I am giving away my Diablo.

If you got a minute I explain why...

Last year I decided in favour of putting my Dibalo
on the market and I was pleased to hear that my collegue
had a friend that might be interested. We got in contact and
he was interested, we had the test drives etc. Maybe a couple
of weeks down the road I agreed to let him take the Diablo
to a dealer to have it looked at and evaluated. The guy came
back to me and said the vere some work needed on the car but
he was still interested in buying it and we made a verbal agreement
on the sale. I have never seen the car since or any money.

In December last year I found this guy on a Lambo website which
lead him to visit a well known Lambo garage in South England, the
guy had taken my Diablo there and had some work done and
some parts bought but never paid. With the info I now had I managed
to get the car back. A few days later the person that never paid for
my car in the first place broke into where the car was stored and
removed it from the premises. The police was called to the scene
but this "conman" managed to talk his way out of it.

I have now spent about one year of my life and nearly exhausted
a liftime of savings in order to get this car back. I have given
up now, I will never see my much loved Diablo ever again nor will I
see any money. All I want is that this conman will not enjoy
this car or the money that it will bring him, so I am prepared
to give it away to the person that can take it away from him
present it to me and obviosly has no deal with this conman
in any way. That would have been way too easy.

Please don't pester Jabba with a lot of rubbish now, redirect all
questions and/or flames to my car's website http://www.tla12444.com

Jabba, thanks for all the help!

/Johan Verner Olsen - Brussels

[r2r]

That's really sad news man :cry:

Diablo is one of my favorite cars, and I can't imagine how i would feel if I was in your place right now. (It is just really sad that somebody would do this)

I wish you all the best, and hope you get it back.

[TT]

This is just a nightmare I bet :(

I honestly don't think it will be that easy to take the car from that guy, but who knows...

And no guys, before you call BS on this topic, it aint: Jabba knows this guy and you can maybe also remember his vids taken with a camera mounted outside his Diablo and driving on country roads (long video).

[Jabba]

This is just a nightmare I bet :(

I honestly don't think it will be that easy to take the car from that guy, but who knows...

And no guys, before you call BS on this topic, it aint: Jabba knows this guy and you can maybe also remember his vids taken with a camera mounted outside his Diablo and driving on country roads (long video).

Yep I was just going to say that he forgot to mention that he made the video of his silver diablo going down those twisty countryside roads.

I have seen the car a few times as it was serviced at the same garage that I take my car to.

All I can say is that I would be totally gutted if I was in his shoes and I guess the lesson here is : DTA (dont trust anybody) :|

Well at least at the level of handing a Diablo over anyway.

[yg60m]

That's a bad story for sure jvo :( The guy must be strong in talking to achieve all these cheats :?

[maja]

this is horrible! I cannot imagine me in such a situation. It's really unbelievable.
If anyone would have ever done sth like this to me I would have pay sb to have his head cut off. It must been the worst year in your life. I really wish all the best for you. Hope you will get it back someday.

[mrai]

Thats terrible news, sorry to hear about your loss. Its shocking to me how low people can go to get their hands on a car.

But dont you have any papers showing evidence that it is your own car which you could have shown to the police unless he has changed the VIN number? Please bare with me as i do not know the full story.

Hope everything turns out for best. Any idea on the plate number and its whereabouts?

[Sydbom]

man this is crazy! he has just stolen your lamborghini AND is getting away with it!??! How can this be?

[TNT]

unleash the :ninja: :changes: mixed emotions. that sucks i feel for you man. hope things work out for you.

[nthfinity]

This is just a nightmare I bet :(

I honestly don't think it will be that easy to take the car from that guy, but who knows...

And no guys, before you call BS on this topic, it aint: Jabba knows this guy and you can maybe also remember his vids taken with a camera mounted outside his Diablo and driving on country roads (long video).

Yep I was just going to say that he forgot to mention that he made the video of his silver diablo going down those twisty countryside roads.

I have seen the car a few times as it was serviced at the same garage that I take my car to.

All I can say is that I would be totally gutted if I was in his shoes and I guess the lesson here is : DTA (dont trust anybody) :|

Well at least at the level of handing a Diablo over anyway.

OMG, this is absolutely terrible news. I know those videos, and they were GREAT! Its so terrible to know that there are such swines out there who lack any morality; and present such faux good intentions just to snow us over. I am gutted for you... and wish that you, or somebody can find the Diablo, and "rip" himi off.

[Shinigami]

Is the car still in Brussels or has it gone elsewhere?

Are we alowed to torture the guy who took your car?

I don't quite understand how I can just take the keys from the guy, but if he hasn't completely disappeared, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible with a little help from a few buddies of mine... (some would argue the methods they use are illegal and quite dangerous).

[Jabba]

Is the car still in Brussels or has it gone elsewhere?

Are we alowed to torture the guy who took your car?

I don't quite understand how I can just take the keys from the guy, but if he hasn't completely disappeared, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible with a little help from a few buddies of mine... (some would argue the methods they use are illegal and quite dangerous).

I already offered these services as often its the best way. But like you say there is always a slight risk attached I guess whenever violence is involved.

Years ago the same sort of thing happened to me (I let someone have a ford transit van in exchange for them doing some work for me, it all started off well until he didn't want to do anymore work but still wanted to keep the van), anyway, it started to drag on a bit and get costly through solicitors, so we decided to go around to his house in another van and get him out to the door, he started giving me a load of verbal about he would need to speak to his solictor and I said he would be better talking to his doctor if he didn't give me the keys to the fucking van, and at the same time I opened my van up with three Alsation dogs in it. I have never seen anyone hand over some keys so quickly LOL. Anyway he runs off down the police station and I never heard anything since and that was like 15 years ago...LOL.

[nthfinity]

Is the car still in Brussels or has it gone elsewhere?

Are we alowed to torture the guy who took your car?

I don't quite understand how I can just take the keys from the guy, but if he hasn't completely disappeared, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible with a little help from a few buddies of mine... (some would argue the methods they use are illegal and quite dangerous).

I already offered these services as often its the best way. But like you say there is always a slight risk attached I guess.

Repo men often use "usually illegal" meathods here, yet have the "OK" from the local police.

being your friend actually still owns the car, can he have a new key made?

[P_Zero_Rosso]

That's a very sad story.

Can you give me some more details on your car?
I've seen a similar looking VT model for sale recently.

[Shinigami]

Ok, read the messages on the forum, and I understand your stance on this. I guess this guy could be dangerous as well, and seems like he has truly disappeared off the face of the planet (or something like this).

Very difficult for anyone who doesn't know more about this affair to just find a person. We would need a name, last place of residence, and so on...

[cooperluke]

Well... pretty shitty situation...

Doesn't anyone here, with money to mantain a Diablo, want to go to Brussels and keep the car for track days and things like those where you don't need the papers? :D

Or Olsen has the papers ?

[Shinigami]

So if I understood well, this guy has taken the car, the owner of the vehicle doesn't know where it is (it could even be painted a new color by now), and the owner also doesn't know where the conman himself is.

This leaves a few open questions.

1) we need to determine if the "friend" who originally mentioned that the conman would be interested in the car, is on the case as well (i.e. he's a partner of the conman).

2) we need to determine if the lambo garage is on the deal as well, probably restamped a vin or did other work that makes it much harder to determine who the owner of the vehicle is.

With these bits of info, one could pressure the "friend" or garage (via strong arm tactics) to provide an address for this person, but at what cost? Remember, it could mean that vengeance is taken back on the jvo himself!

It's very easy for one of us to round up a gang of people and march in there ready to slit the guys throat in exchange for info, but many people once let go will either try to find out who you were (very unlikely they can), and when that fails, will go after jvo for payback time.

If however jvo knows where this guy is (he mentioned he doesn't), it would make the job easier, but still not easy enough. There's just not knowing what one person would do when pushed into a corner.

Whilst I wouldn't have any problems trying to get a car back, it could mean someone else will get hurt... I do not wish this on jvo as he's been hurt plenty enough by this bullsh1t.

There was an incident similar to this a few years back with a friend of mine. He's trying to build a Spitfire (the airplane... he already has the engine, and it's HUGE). Anyway, he got into contact with a guy (who later turned out to be a conman) who swindled him of some cash in return for Spitfire plans and life size bits and pieces.

The quality of the pieces were abysmal, and so he contact this guy in order to go give him a little visit in the UK in order to "hurt" him a bit and get his money back. Well, in exchange for helping him out, he paid me and a friend the airplane ticket, and we took the opportunity to fly there.

After a few minutes of "hassling" this person (don't worry, he's alive, but won't forget us for a loooong time), my friend got what he wanted.

Of course, this guy then went to the cops to retaliate, but we were away from the country, and he didn't really have anything on us (first of all, he didn't know me or the other guy, and he also didn't have much info on my friend who since hasn't bothered returning to the UK). Well, in the end the conman had to give up, but it does go to show that whilst the law doesn't always work well to protect us who are fair, it still means that conmen try to take advantage of laws to protect themselves when you push them around a bit and try to get back what is rightfully yours.

I don't know what jvo has done in order to get his car back, but he must have done something wrong, or the conman has ties much higher then we think...

Cops do suck, but they're not complete loonies and with enough proof (the papers of the car etc), you should be able to get that car back. But like I said, I don't have all the details at hand...

The biggest problem with this for anyone "outside" of the loop, is that we don't necessarily know jvo, nor do we know the entire story, and if we want to fly to the UK to interrogate the garage, or go to Brussels to search every single house, it's gonna cost money and time, quite a lot of it.

If this happened over here, I'd be on it on a heart beat, but this is because I know some detectives (got a few friends who work in the business) and it wouldn't take long for me to "legally" find the person. But I don't know the laws for personal harassment or "people searching" that they have in Brussels, so I could be digging myself a deep grave if I tried to do something about it. Legally of course.

Personally, I would take this matter into the hands of a lambo club. Most owners are rich, and have ties. They could possibly hunt down with the aid of lambo registries, the whereabouts of the car, and from there use their considerable influence to get it back.

Just my two cents... but I am willing to hear more about this, and if I can help, I'll do so.

[Shinigami]

Doesn't anyone here, with money to mantain a Diablo
Maintaining a Diablo isn't the problem. It's only gonna cost a few thousand bucks a year since you're not paying for the car itself... I mean, say you buy a car for $50,000 and keep it for 5 years. It'll have cost you $10,000 a year, not counting insurance and maintenance, new tires and oils etc...

Here you've got the car, and all you need to do is pay the rest of the stuff. This won't come even close to $10,000/year if you're planning to keep it for only 5 years ;)

The problem is what happens if the conman begins to track YOU down once you have the car. When you get it serviced, especially at a lambo dealer, they will take the opportunity to update official records on the car. These records can make their way in the conmans hands, and from there he can try to find you.

This means that you're making yourself, and your family vulnerable to someone who could potentially be dangerous.

There are of course "accidents"... I think this conman should be on the leading end of one. I have no pity for conmen, and those who fuck with your car.

[RC45]

^^ Talk about conspiarcy theories.. ;) :P

But it is obvious then that this car has to be found and sent over here to the US for safe keeping. :)

[Minacious]

Man, stories like this hurt my heart. I wish there was something more I could do. Being on the other side of the pond makes it rather difficult to do any in-depth investigations though. Hell, even if I did somehow manage to retrieve the car, it would most definitely return to you. It is after all your car.

[jvo]

I found my Diablo.

It was at Sira Motors in Barking Industrial Park. It is completly stripped for spray, engine and
interior is out. It has now been registred to someone else and has UK plates instead of
my Swedish. Some UK insurance company is paying for all this. Insurance fraud I assume.
There is nothing more I can do. :(

There are pictures here:
http://www.tla12444.com

/jvo

[r2r]

Sad to hear again. :(

Any punishment for the guy responsible? Any information where he is?

[Mattk]

This conman deserves to be run over by a fire truck, and then subsequently by the police cars and ambulance sent to help him.

It must suck to find your stolen Diablo torn apart at some chop shop. How could someone even contemplate stripping apart a Diablo?

[jvo]

I know where he live and I also know three names under which he trades.

He does not own the property where live and all his cars seems to be leased.
No traces of him in the US despite his claims to be from CA. Some people I
have spoken to say he is from India. Personally I think more Pakistan as one
of the names I have on him is very "Muslim". If there are such a thing, I don't
want to stir in things like ethnical background or people's view of life.

I got no idea on how to continue with this now, the conman has it all covered.

/jvo

[davide]

You had swedish plates on it? why..?

nevermind, I did a scan on the swedish plates and it's reported stolen.
Jvo, are you johan?

[blinkmeat]

Sounds like a bad chain letter to me 8)

[jvo]

Yep, Johan Verner Olsen, jvo.

/jvo

[stmoritzer]

Sorry to hear this :cry:

Do you have more information about the car in order to recognize the car better.
I'm thinking of all the JW members around Europe going to meeting, Nordschleife, or just turning their head for every Diablo the see in the streets.
If we would have more infos (since the color may have changed), the JW-patrol can start looking around and the guy can't drive a mile without beeing detected :mrgreen:
edit: forget my post except the first line, I didn't read the second page of this thread :oops: .

[davide]

Yep, Johan Verner Olsen, jvo.

/jvo

I did a search on vägverket, but that didn't help me much... Sorry to hear Johan. If there's anything I could do..

[TT]

So, the car was found in that place. ok, newely registered, new plates.. but chassis number? if the'y didn't erase or change it, isn't there a way for you to just prove that's your car and have it back? (of course with some insurance/police help)

[PiTTbuLL003]

very sad story :(
thalk about bad luck having your own dreamcar and then some conman :slap: takes it all away

[666fast]

If you know where the car is, call the police and explain it to them. VIN numbers are stamped all over the cars, there might be a chance one of them hasn't been changed.

[TopGearNL]

Hell if you where the guy is organise a group of people and bash his head in, Im available :wink:

But I would like the Diablo as a payment :mrgreen:

[Porsche911r101]

Is it and him still in the UK ?

is he now registered keeper, and do you have the uk numberplate of the car, if so i can get its wherabouts.

Im sure i can think of a way to either get it back or damage it to a point where its unfixable, ie fire.

its up to you man. all id need is full written permission off you as owner to cover myself legally if things went wrong....