360CS problems... Please help

[bobber69]

Hi

My friend just bought a preowned 360 challenge stradale which have done 4000 km or about 2500 miles.

Unfortunately the car isn't perfect...

The problems are these;

1. When you accelerate, the car pulls gently to the left, which ofcourse can be quite scary as you often accelerate hard, in which case the car pulls harder to the left.

2. When driving quick, from about 190 km/h ~ 118 mph the car becomes Extremely twitchy and goes from side to side very quickly, in fact we slid a little when testing the car at about 230 km/h ~ 140 mph when taking a gentle corner. It is seriously impossible of driving much faster than that, since you don't wanna go sideways at that speeds.

3. When changing gear, the car moves to the right ( this might relate to the thing about the car moving left when accelerating ).


I guess that's all (apart from the car jumping to Neutral gear when pushing the "Up" paddle softly - but that's an easy problem to solve, just use more fingerpower). My friend would appreciate all the help he can get. If you have any ideas as to what the problem, or problems might be, please don't hesitate to comment.


Best regards - Bobber

Edit : sorry didn't know you wanted photos. I usually check JW and other places on the net for information on these matters, as a matter of fact the internet is the best place to get this kind of information.

How do I get pictures in here?

[RC45]

These issues can't be taken care of by a local competent alignment shop at the very least, or a local Ferrari dealership at the very most.. ???

The last place I would come for advice on my $150,000USD+ racing car would be an Interweb forum - surely the chassis and car were checked out before the cash was given away..

Oh - and photos would go a long way towards helping us remotely diagnose any issues experienced.

:)

*cough*bullshit?? ;)*cough*

[bobber69]

You think it's the wheel alignments? We thought it might be the diff "torquesteering" the back of the car, but that shouldn't be the case with a ferrari - to torquesteer.

[McLaren4eVa]

These issues can't be taken care of by a local competent alignment shop at the very least, or a local Ferrari dealership at the very most.. ???

The last place I would come for advice on my $150,000USD+ racing car would be an Interweb forum - surely the chassis and car were checked out before the cash was given away..

Oh - and photos would go a long way towards helping us remotely diagnose any issues experienced.

:)

*cough*bullshit?? ;)*cough*


For once i agree with RC pictures would be very good indeed and seriously is the car stolen because the best place for repairs on a 150,000K car is a garage maybe a Ferrari dealer. But good luck.

[RC45]

You think it's the wheel alignments? We thought it might be the diff "torquesteering" the back of the car, but that shouldn't be the case with a ferrari - to torquesteer.

Assuming this is legite.. then wheel alignment, wheel balancing and even tyre wear and camber would all contribute to an already twitchy car behaving in a more twicthy manner.

I run a very aggresive camber on my car for the street - so agreesive that I wear the inside of the front tyres to the cords while the outside half still has legal tread depth. The result is a hunting twithyness at highspeed over grooved pavement, but it's the way I like to run the car ---

Having said that, if my alignment is not spot on then she will easily pull left or right (depending on the setting) under acceleraiton.

Of course the car could just have a tweaked/bent suspension from an accident and need to be repaired.

Which goes back to our other questios, wouldn't these issues have been identified during the test drive? ;)

[bobber69]

He didnt test drive the car - just paid for it since the price was good.

It was bought in the south of germany and we live in sweden, you dont wanna put that many miles on an almost new ferrari in snowy weather.

Is there any way we can check the alignment ourselves or do we have to take it to a dealer for the problem to be identified?

The car have been crashed, but it have been repaired by a ferrari dealer.


Best regards

[TT]

No but seriously.. the simple idea of checking the aligment at home by yourselves on a Ferrari is out of this planet. if you own a CS, no matter how good the price, you can afford to take it to a sportcars specialist or even better, an F dealer if there is one in the area... You don't really think you can check aligment at home without the needed machines do you?

[RC45]

He didnt test drive the car - just paid for it since the price was good.

It was bought in the south of germany and we live in sweden, you dont wanna put that many miles on an almost new ferrari in snowy weather.

Is there any way we can check the alignment ourselves or do we have to take it to a dealer for the problem to be identified?

The car have been crashed, but it have been repaired by a ferrari dealer.


Best regards

Sounds like you guys bought yourselves a bent crashed race car - that's why it was cheap... ;)

A bent race car is a bent race car, does not matter how "special" it once was.

[bobber69]

Okay but perhaps we could test it in someway. :( sorry to bother you guys.
it was a minor crash it had had so we didnt think the chassis was bent.

[RC45]

Any local 4 wheel alignment shop could help you do the alignment, but the chances of the correct alignment specs being in the computer database of the alignment machine are slim.. so you will still need to provide the operator with the stock alignment specs, which you should be able to obtain from a ferrari dealer.

Didn't the car come with any spares or manuals or such like?

I know we have PDF copies of a number of Ferrari owner manuals somewhere here on JW, but I don't kow if these include alignment specs.

[bobber69]

rc45 thanks for the answers we really appreciate it.
We just found out the air in the tires was all wrong too, it should have been 2,2 F and 2,0 R. it was 2,5 F and 2,9 R so that was all bad too.
We are taking it to a ferrari main dealer tomorrow to see if they can align the wheels, I pray thats whats wrong with the car.
We just checked the panelgaps everywhere on the car and they are all about the same, so that would indicate the chassis isn't bent right??

The car didnt come with any spares, why would it? I dont know whether it says anything about "wandering" or something like that in the manual, but i'll check it tomorrow.

best regards

[LotusGT1]

You'd think some would check a car extensively BEFORE dropping at least $150k for it.

About pictures, upload them at ImageShack (http://www.imageshack.us) and post the links here.

[nthfinity]

our user "rex" owns a 360 CS... and for comparison, im sure he would be more then willing to answer any questions you have; or at least help.

just PM him...

but im with RC here... its either very poor alignment, or the result of some accident---> leading to bad allignment.

[tom333]

When power affects steering in a rwd car, it's no longer torquesteer. ie: torque steer sucks and rwd cars get sucked.

[RC45]

When power affects steering in a rwd car, it's no longer torquesteer. ie: torque steer sucks and rwd cars get sucked.

i am sure something has been lost in the translaiton.... ;)

[callen]

i agree with everyone above dude, unless you spent every cent you own save for a few grand on this CS, get it into a dealer and have it properly dignosed. next time, if you want a ferrari that bad that quickly, why dont u rent one while u wait for the deal to go through and all the neccessary checks are complete?

[tom333]

*cough*bullshit?? ;)*cough*

[5vz-fe]

When power affects steering in a rwd car, it's no longer torquesteer. ie: torque steer sucks and rwd cars get sucked.

i am sure something has been lost in the translaiton.... ;)

Does that mean you understand something from his post? :lol:

[bobber69]

Hey guys. We finally found the problem. After having gone through all the engine bay at the Ferrari dealer, ( we took it there after your advice, and they couldn't find what was wrong with it ) we decided to buy some new tires for it. Just to see if the old tires where the problem, or if one of the rims where fake ( i.e. not a magnesium rim but an aluminium one ) we testet the car with 430 wheels. The car drove absolutely perfect now! So what we did was to change one wheel at a time to the old 360cs wheel, and the car drove perfect with 2 360cs front wheels and 1 360cs rear wheel. Then when we put the last tire on, it turned to sharply when applying full throttle that you could actually turn off at the exit on the freeway just by giving it full throttle and keeping the steering wheel straight ahead!!!

So... what we did was to change the tires for some new racing tires, Pirelle P zero Corsa instead of Rosso - and now the car is perfect. We had it in 310 km/h at the rev limiter tonight and it is really a super - car ! Thanks for the advice guys and have a nice weekend.

[fsandys]

Cheeky time...

Pics please? :wink:

[Tyrone]

Okay but perhaps we could test it in someway. :( sorry to bother you guys.
it was a minor crash it had had so we didnt think the chassis was bent.

Kind of strange statement -- people who spent a lot of money on a 2nd hand or used car would never be nonchalant about any minor accident.

Always check used cars paint job. For instance, go around the car and see if the colors are all the same because paint on cars if original will age the same time.

Run your hand on the paint work as if it was a girl's ass and gently feel the paint. If it feels and look like an orange peel forget it, the car has been resprayed. Most cars are resprayed because it was involved in some kind of accidents.

Check the runbber lining around the door and boot sills. Most resprayed cars will have over spray on rubbers.

Check the bolts and nuts to see if it has been touched. If it has been touched it may have been involved in some kind of accidents.

Good luck in the future.

:) well i dont know why are you posting for help and not the owner of that Ferrari?

[DeMoN]

Surely, you got a camera you can use to take pics of the car an it's new tires.

[tom333]

We haven't forgotten dude

[TopGearNL]

Surely, you got a camera you can use to take pics of the car an it's new tires.

yeah everybody is screaming for pics, come on lets have em :D

[fsandys]

I have a feeling, even if it was a genuine owner he has had his advice and has gone! :|

[TopGearNL]

I have a feeling, even if it was a genuine owner he has had his advice and has gone! :|

Yeah, I mean WTF, he asks something gets his answer and then niente, nothing from him :?

[nthfinity]

I have a feeling, even if it was a genuine owner he has had his advice and has gone! :|

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310!!! lol good test guys!