New Ferrai/Pininfarina Concept Car - 612 P4/5

[iraghava]

This is the new concept car designed by Pininfarina and built on an Enzo platform with the same engine. Pictures are not yet freely available but are available on the link below which for some reason I am unable to open.

http://www.autoblog.nl/archive/2006/03/23/ferrari_en_pininfarina_komen_m#body

Excerpts from Pisonheads.com

Ferrari and Pininfarina have come up with a stunning concept car, called the 612 P4/5. Based on the Enzo, it's inspired by the famous 1960s P4 racer (see pic).

The two-seater houses the Enzo's 660bhp V12 and sits on a modified version of its carbon-fibre chassis. The car's likely to be faster than the Enzo since it weighs less than the icon's 1,365kg and, according to reports, performs better in wind tunnels too.

Officially a one-off, the car is said by Pininfarina to be much more than just a concept. It was created to explore the outer edges of the company's design ideas, while ensuring that the car was road-legal, with the aim of showing a possible route for Ferrari's future design.

It cost some £2.6 million to develop and was initially designed by Ken Okuyama and his team. Okuyama was behind the Maserati Birdcage show car (see link below) which wowed at the Festival of Speed 2005, as well as Ferrari's forthcoming 599GTB Fiorano.

The car was tough to produce, since Ferrari had to find a donor Enzo. It tracked one of the rare cars down – only 399 were ever made – at a Beverly Hills dealer and bought it for £800,000.

While the 612 P4/5 is unlikely to be produced en masse, it's set to debut on 20 August at the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance in California. Shame it'll miss the FoS then...



Ferrari had to pay GBP 800,000 for an Enzo :shock: :shock: Am I the only one who finds it a little hard to believe?

[Zot09]

It's set to debut at the Concours d'Elegance!!! Yes!!! Thankfully I live in Monterey, yes!!! I have to go this summer haha

[RC45]

Ferrari had to pay GBP 800,000 for an Enzo :shock: :shock: Am I the only one who finds it a little hard to believe?

This sound like BS - I mean they could build an FXX for everyone who wanted one,yet couldn't put together a donor Enzo for a concept car... hhhmmmm - someone is a sucker then.

[iraghava]

Ferrari had to pay GBP 800,000 for an Enzo :shock: :shock: Am I the only one who finds it a little hard to believe?

This sound like BS - I mean they could build an FXX for everyone who wanted one,yet couldn't put together a donor Enzo for a concept car... hhhmmmm - someone is a sucker then.

Exactly what I was thinking. This sound a tiny bit fishy.

Exactly what I thought!! :bs:


Exactly what I was thinking. This sound a tiny bit fishy.

How tiny Insane? Blue Whale tiny I am guessing !!! :mrgreen:

[nthfinity]

ahahaha

no this is 100% real

but they have some really shitty, and bogus facts... spend some time reading the thread on ferrari chat.

i figured this wasn't worth posting till there was some real news about it

what autoweek/auto express "jurnalists" wrote about it is nothing more then what can be read about it in Ferrari chat... their member "napolis" who's name is Jim something has commissioned Pininfarina to build the P4/5 and no picture that is out is close according to him...

anyway; the thread is here

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92754

[RC45]

IS this an accuarte Cliff's Notes that I found?

The whole story is being detailed over on ferrarichat.com

Basically the car is being commissioned by a wealthy American banker who already owns a pair of original 330p3/p4/412p as well as another significant early Ferrari and a wide assortment of other rare toys!

Its also interesting to note that the car pictured in auto express doesn’t look like the shots of the clay styling prototype that the cars owners has shared offline with a number of people........but they are correct in saying that this it is going to be a far far better looking car than the enzo


And look at this exchange...


Jim,
You want facts - Here are, not one but 3 FACTS – and these are FACTS, not opinion!!;
1. Ferrari have stated that the chassis of 0846 does not exist. I know your response: I quote; "Ferrari's exact words, which I disclosed YEARS AGO, were "written off". "Written off" does not mean "Ceasing to exist"." (end quote) But that's YOUR opinion! Ferrari have asked you not to claim that your car is 0846, therefore it is obvious that in their opinion "written off" means "Ceasing to exist". (and I know that you are waiting/hoping that they will change their view on this, but that is their statement at this time.)
2. I have also discussed this with Mauro Forghieri. I asked him what happened to the crashed Amon car. He states “the basic chassis was destroyed and the components used, where possible.” As he was at the factory when the wreck was returned he would know better than anyone what happened to it.
3. David Piper states that he sold you a replica chassis not an original chassis of any sort.
But apparently their memories are unreliable – (because they don’t agree with you?) - but your sources (Nino & Wayne) are 100% reliable?

We’ve had your theory - Now you give us facts; -
1. How did this chassis get out of the factory?
2. Who took it out of the factory?
3. When did they do this?
4. Have you got anyone at Ferrari who disputes that this chassis was scrapped?
5. Which scrap-yard did it go to?
6. Who took it out of the scrap-yard?
7. How did it get to Pipers?
8. How come Piper didn’t realize that he’d been tucked up with an old scrap chassis instead of the new one that he’d paid for?

Let’s have facts not supposition!


It does seem that these are just "boys with their toys" - looks and sounds like kids (very rich and spoiled kids ;)) squabbling - not seriously wealthy mature car collectors.

I do believe the Tifosi are all primadonnas... now we might understand why Jay Leno doesn't wanna be one of them... ;) :P

[sameerrao]

I don't really care if the P3/4 is genuine or a fake. Even if it is the latter, it has been painstakingly restored with proper Ferrari P4 components in it. Its not like its got the psuedo body of a Ferrari with the mechanicals of the Jaguar.

People can dick around about VIN numbers and crap but this is a really beautiful car that I would love to see and hear in the flesh someday.

[gobs3z]

My only fear is that it'll use the F1 trans, and he's talking about being a pure drivers car that will take you back to the day, and i don't think it would fully achieve it with the F1 trans in it, i dunno if anyone has asked on the forum yet because i couldn't read through it all if it's totally Enzo based then it probably is going to have an F1 trans.

[stradale]

IS this an accuarte Cliff's Notes that I found?

The whole story is being detailed over on ferrarichat.com

Basically the car is being commissioned by a wealthy American banker who already owns a pair of original 330p3/p4/412p as well as another significant early Ferrari and a wide assortment of other rare toys!

Its also interesting to note that the car pictured in auto express doesn’t look like the shots of the clay styling prototype that the cars owners has shared offline with a number of people........but they are correct in saying that this it is going to be a far far better looking car than the enzo


And look at this exchange...


Jim,
You want facts - Here are, not one but 3 FACTS – and these are FACTS, not opinion!!;
1. Ferrari have stated that the chassis of 0846 does not exist. I know your response: I quote; "Ferrari's exact words, which I disclosed YEARS AGO, were "written off". "Written off" does not mean "Ceasing to exist"." (end quote) But that's YOUR opinion! Ferrari have asked you not to claim that your car is 0846, therefore it is obvious that in their opinion "written off" means "Ceasing to exist". (and I know that you are waiting/hoping that they will change their view on this, but that is their statement at this time.)
2. I have also discussed this with Mauro Forghieri. I asked him what happened to the crashed Amon car. He states “the basic chassis was destroyed and the components used, where possible.” As he was at the factory when the wreck was returned he would know better than anyone what happened to it.
3. David Piper states that he sold you a replica chassis not an original chassis of any sort.
But apparently their memories are unreliable – (because they don’t agree with you?) - but your sources (Nino & Wayne) are 100% reliable?

We’ve had your theory - Now you give us facts; -
1. How did this chassis get out of the factory?
2. Who took it out of the factory?
3. When did they do this?
4. Have you got anyone at Ferrari who disputes that this chassis was scrapped?
5. Which scrap-yard did it go to?
6. Who took it out of the scrap-yard?
7. How did it get to Pipers?
8. How come Piper didn’t realize that he’d been tucked up with an old scrap chassis instead of the new one that he’d paid for?

Let’s have facts not supposition!


It does seem that these are just "boys with their toys" - looks and sounds like kids (very rich and spoiled kids ;)) squabbling - not seriously wealthy mature car collectors.

I do believe the Tifosi are all primadonnas... now we might understand why Jay Leno doesn't wanna be one of them... ;) :P

Those notes are accurate. Ferrari is not involved in this project, Jim commissioned this prototype from Pininfarina. He bought a new US spec Enzo and shipped it to Italy. This is not going to be a concept car, but a well engineered, serviceable car. It will be road legal and driveable on the road. Front overhang will be small compared to the Enzo. The idea was to make a Ferrari with sexy curvy shapes that is also aerodynamically efficient. It will be lighter than the Enzo and will have more downforce.

Jim is not a primadonna, nor is he a kid. He owns a 330P4, a 412P, a Lola T70, a Ford GT40 mkIV and the oldest surviving Ferrari, the 166 Spyder Corsa (s/n 002C). All of these cars have been registered and are used on the street, which goes to show he uses them as they were intended and even beyond that. Last summer he travelled Europe with the 330P4 and the 166. He brings his cars to events all over the world, so other people have a chance to see them. In the case of the debate about s/n 0846, the 330 P4, he is the one opposing many purist experts (primadonnas if you will). IMO he is a car enthusiast of the right kind.

[inso]

nice info about this car. when you have pictures, i want to see link to them too. making a classic ferrari looking car, with great mechanicals is good, reminds me of 288gto, last classic looking ferrari, and with nice bang.

[PATo355]

Thats a cool looking car ...

[nthfinity]

Thats a cool looking car ...
but not the one we'll see at pebble beach :wink: (thankfully)

[noliebro]

here is the cover of autoweek witha picture they say is close according to the man who payed for this whole thing:
http://www.jalopnik.com/images/2006/03/ferrari_p4_new_aw.jpg

[RC45]

Those notes are accurate. Ferrari is not involved in this project, Jim commissioned this prototype from Pininfarina. He bought a new US spec Enzo and shipped it to Italy. This is not going to be a concept car, but a well engineered, serviceable car. It will be road legal and driveable on the road. Front overhang will be small compared to the Enzo. The idea was to make a Ferrari with sexy curvy shapes that is also aerodynamically efficient. It will be lighter than the Enzo and will have more downforce.

Jim is not a primadonna, nor is he a kid. He owns a 330P4, a 412P, a Lola T70, a Ford GT40 mkIV and the oldest surviving Ferrari, the 166 Spyder Corsa (s/n 002C). All of these cars have been registered and are used on the street, which goes to show he uses them as they were intended and even beyond that. Last summer he travelled Europe with the 330P4 and the 166. He brings his cars to events all over the world, so other people have a chance to see them. In the case of the debate about s/n 0846, the 330 P4, he is the one opposing many purist experts (primadonnas if you will). IMO he is a car enthusiast of the right kind.

I think you are mixing up 2 responses in one.

SO the magazine etc saying its a Ferrari prototype are wrong, andf it is a private effort. Then that explains why a car needed to be bought.

The second bit I posted shows why i stopped reading Ferrai-Chat a long time ago - most of the time there are pages and pages of he-say she-say posts where one rich collector is bitching at another rich collector.. generally acting like kids.

if any of those folks had any profesisonalism they would take those types of discussion ofline one on one, but it seems that it's just an ego driven pissing match about who has the real this or that.

That is why I called them primadonnas - it doesn't matter who they are - it's how they act ;)

[Mattk]

The pictures show a pretty interesting car.

[stradale]

The second bit I posted shows why i stopped reading Ferrai-Chat a long time ago - most of the time there are pages and pages of he-say she-say posts where one rich collector is bitching at another rich collector.. generally acting like kids.

if any of those folks had any profesisonalism they would take those types of discussion ofline one on one, but it seems that it's just an ego driven pissing match about who has the real this or that.

That is why I called them primadonnas - it doesn't matter who they are - it's how they act ;)

You of all people should understand, RC. If someone posts something on a (car) forum you firmly believe is not true, you debate them. :wink: If I were the owner of a 330P4 (I wish) which I was convinced has a genuine chassis no 0846 and someone refuted it, I would respond as well.

Made for an interesting read for the most part IMO.

[vexor]

http://www.dpccars.com/photos/03-28-06-02-FerrariPininfarina.jpg

another render from the back though

[Everlasting]

i can't decide whether it's pretty or not

[DeMoN]

I vote NOT, looks weird, totally not Ferrari.

[LotusGT1]

Doesn't matter as these renders don't resemble the finsihed car.

[Napolis]

Hi

612 P 4/5 looks nothing like the AutoWeek photo. When you see it I think you'll like it.

For those who wish to see 0846 and 002C they will be at the Historic Targa Florio in late May and at Quail in August.

612 P 4/5 will be somewhere (TBD) in August as well.

Best

[Napolis]

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7131/002cand0846atpininfarina120ou.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[sameerrao]

See what I mean ... the 330 is perhaps the best looking prototype car of all time. I saw your lovely Duesy at the 2005 Pebble Beach CdE.

:)

[Napolis]

I took it (J446) for a long drive today.

As an aside we've restored 0846 to it's proper P 3/4 spyder configuration and my 412P 0854 to it's proper Coupe configuration.

Best

J446

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5664/duseyontheroad23wc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[bmagni]

Nice, the owner himself is here...

the 330 P4 is just perfect... the 412 P too... how are they different (desing wise) ?

do you have an Enzo too besides the one you gave to Pinifarina ?

[ice]

Ever since i saw the p3/p4 in person, it is, without doubt, my favourite car. The rivets in the body work, the flow of the lines, absolutely everything about it is perfect. in fact, when I saw the Fxx last week at an event here in toronto, it reminded me a lot of the P3/p4's purposeful stance, if not even close to as elegant or as subtle.

[Napolis]

Nice, the owner himself is here...

the 330 P4 is just perfect... the 412 P too... how are they different (desing wise) ?

do you have an Enzo too besides the one you gave to Pinifarina ?

Hi

No other Enzo. The main difference between the P 3/4 and the 412P is mechanical. The P 3/4 has a later typo engine with a different block, 3 valve heads vrs 2 valve heads, and Lucas Mechanical FI instead of Webbers. The wheelbases and track are different but the visual differences are subtle.

For those interested:

http://www.glickenhaus.com/jim/project.pdf


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7215/57716img0199282296al.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Everlasting]

lovely

[Napolis]

She was sitting in the sun when we pulled up. Seeing her outside with a PROVA Plate attached to her tail took all of this to a new level. We walked around her slowly admiring her lines and the interior that was starting to come together. We slipped in, strapped down, and set off. The first thing I noticed was that the reduction in front overhang made a huge difference compared to the Enzo. The next thing was the panoramic vision through her fighter cockpit greenhouse. Her newly sculpted interior seemed very roomy as we pulled out of the driveway without any problem and turned onto the road. You've heard the expression "Traffic Stopping"? This time it really did. Even The Sport bike stopped and let us enter the road. The Babe on the Back looked over and down as we pulled by. She smiled and slowly raised her thumb straight up.

We were running without ABS or traction control because the computer hadn't yet been programed for the new sized wheels and tires. We were also running in low downforce mode because one of the actuator motors hadn't awoken properly from it's 3 year sleep. The amount of engineering to get to this point boggles the mind and The Pininfarina Special Project Team continues to amaze me with their ability to meet all of these challenges. I'm also very happy to report that Ferrari is very pleased and is giving full technical support as well.

We continued on to the secondary road and set off. Pininfarina had already put on a few hundred test miles and reported all was well so when it came time to pass I rolled on the throttle and felt the hand of God push me back into the seat. You immediately feel just how light she is. The brakes are SUPER and the wider tires really grip. The suspension feels great as it works and the motor sings. When you get to 3000rpm the exhaust shunts to the new system and it sounds like that the horn that blows before the Four Horsemen ride into view.

We headed to the Autostrada and put her though a few gears as we left the toll gate. The Video Jesse shot from the chase vehicle is unlike any I've seen. P 4/5 pulls away and vanishes into the distance like an F 16 launching from a carrier deck. As she vanished the only thing than seemed strange is that she was still on the earth not standing on her tail in afterburner mode shooting towards the heavens...

"Ground Control to Major Tom..."



http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/383/dsc035882pv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[stradale]

Wow, just read your latest post on Fchat and I'm still in awe. Can't wait till next week. :drool:

Welcome to JW, BTW! Very nice to see you here!

Cheers

[nthfinity]

I continue to look forward to updates, Napolis; I seemed to have overlooked this thread for sometime, so thanks for keeping us updatated!

I wish I could make it to pebble beach; but that doesn't look possible this year. Are you going to be making any rounds in the mid-west areas withthe P4/5?

[Napolis]

One fine day I hope to drive her coast to coast.

[lorbmw69]

Hey Jim thanks for setting the record straight over here... i've been following this for months on ferrarichat.

Also you shut RC up pretty quick. can't wait for the 23rd!

[nickthaskater]

Sounds positively incredible...

[Vansquish]

^^ Incredible indeed. I've been looking forward to seeing your newly revamped car ever since I first heard about the project. I've always been a huge fan of the P3/P4 series and thing they're some of (if not the) most beautiful vehicles ever produced. The thought of an Enzo wrapped in a far more seductive body that hearkens back to the late 60's Ferrari sports racers sounds incredible. I can't wait to see the finished product!!!

[LotusGT1]

Would be great if you could provide some info in due time here ;)
http://www.jabbasworld.net/viewforum.php?f=56

I've been checking the F-chat thread out too for a few months now. Verry curious what the final car will look like!

[evoWalo]

Surprisingly no one has made a STFU comment yet.

[nickthaskater]

Surprisingly no one has made a STFU comment yet.
Why would they?

[LotusGT1]

Yeah, why would they?

[evoWalo]

cause someone drives or owns a nice car and JW members want proof? no manuals or keys.

[nthfinity]

^^ Incredible indeed. I've been looking forward to seeing your newly revamped car ever since I first heard about the project. I've always been a huge fan of the P3/P4 series and thing they're some of (if not the) most beautiful vehicles ever produced. The thought of an Enzo wrapped in a far more seductive body that hearkens back to the late 60's Ferrari sports racers sounds incredible. I can't wait to see the finished product!!!

without a single doubt, the P3/4 is incredibly attractive; and like somebody else posted at Fchat, the dome reminds me of the fast, and functional 956/962... i can hardly wait to see the rest of the italian designed curves!

Jim, has any current owner inquired about converting thier Enzo into this spec? or does it look like this will truly be a one-of one masterpiece?

[Global Warming]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1118/ferrarizagatofz934zr.jpg
What is this thing? I like it!

[stradale]

^^^ That's the Zagato FZ93, based on a Testarossa.

I'm not one of the happy few to whom Jim Glickenhaus has shown pictures of the design, but it's fairly safe to say the 612 P4/5 will not resemble it in any way.

Funny thing is, the Enzo shares some lines with the FZ93 though.

[RAMMIUS]

Nice to see you around Jim, and maybe you should put the pix on the 23rd on Jabba`s too

Aaaa, BTW an F-16 is not a carrier based fighter :wink:

[Napolis]

Nice to see you around Jim, and maybe you should put the pix on the 23rd on Jabba`s too

Aaaa, BTW an F-16 is not a carrier based fighter :wink:

I wonder why it fell into the sea...

Will do.

[RAMMIUS]

:lol:

Are you gonna let C&D time your car ?
High speed runs ??

After reading the whole thread in Fchat, I have an even bigger respect for the wizzards at PininFarina :P

Can you provide some info about the downforce generated ?
Exact numbers (in both configurations :mrgreen: ) at different speeds, so we could compare it with the Enzo

BTW, Evo will have acces to your car ? They have some awesome writers (biased, of course :wink: ) but very good, one can only imagine a review about your car written by one of the "old" Evo editors.

Looking forward to see the beauty :P

[LotusGT1]

cause someone drives or owns a nice car and JW members want proof? no manuals or keys.

He hasn't posted anything in the "What you drive" section, merely responded on a topic. Besides, it's pretty obvious Jim is for real.

[nthfinity]

:lol:

Are you gonna let C&D time your car ?
High speed runs ??

After reading the whole thread in Fchat, I have an even bigger respect for the wizzards at PininFarina :P

Can you provide some info about the downforce generated ?
Exact numbers (in both configurations :mrgreen: ) at different speeds, so we could compare it with the Enzo

BTW, Evo will have acces to your car ? They have some awesome writers (biased, of course :wink: ) but very good, one can only imagine a review about your car written by one of the "old" Evo editors.

Looking forward to see the beauty :P

I might be a bit biased; but I feel Evo, Car, and most of the domesstic magazines have gone downhill over the past few years. In any case I am looking forward to seeing, reading, and hearing all about your creation :)

you've certainly done a great job building her up over the last few months ;)

[Napolis]

:lol:

Are you gonna let C&D time your car ?
High speed runs ??

After reading the whole thread in Fchat, I have an even bigger respect for the wizzards at PininFarina :P

Can you provide some info about the downforce generated ?
Exact numbers (in both configurations :mrgreen: ) at different speeds, so we could compare it with the Enzo

BTW, Evo will have acces to your car ? They have some awesome writers (biased, of course :wink: ) but very good, one can only imagine a review about your car written by one of the "old" Evo editors.

Looking forward to see the beauty :P

Right before the Paris Auto Show there will be Press High Speed Runs at a test track near Paris.

Best

[RAMMIUS]

Appears that somebody already scanned the C&D mag, and put photo`s online with the beauty

So here it is :love: gorgeous

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/328/001gd5.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001gd5.jpg) http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3514/002rb4.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002rb4.jpg) http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9990/003hu5.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=003hu5.jpg)

Although you could see that this is not quite the final aspect, if you look at the pictures that Jim posted
So we`ll have to wait until he puts the real ones

[Everlasting]

it's a beauty :drool:

[Bernardo]

I dont like it.

[RAMMIUS]

^^^^ :roflmao:

[nthfinity]

Its AWSOME!

It looks like they shot it without a CPL :? but its still remarkable. Well done Jim!

[r2r]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/328/001gd5.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001gd5.jpg) http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3514/002rb4.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002rb4.jpg) http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9990/003hu5.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=003hu5.jpg)



Looks better then anything Ferrari has been releasing recently!

[Bernardo]

:mrgreen:

[RAMMIUS]

^^^and imagine how the actual thing would look like :faint:

Lower drag coefficient than an Enzo, more downforce, also lighter :P

This is just insane, and very good looking :good:

[Vansquish]

Looks incredible, the wheels are the only thing that is a bit questionable to me, but the rest of the car is absolutely gorgeous, a proper modern interpretation of the P3/4. It's better proportioned, and far more attractive than the Enzo, and I absolutely love the top-exit exhaust. Excellent Jim, absolutely wonderful.

[Napolis]

Thanks! This is the styling model as of Dec. 05. We took this shape into the wind tunnel and made some changes based on what we learned. We also worked on the nose and it's curvier/shorter as are the headlights.

In the Carbon it looks different and IMO really great more transparent, lighter.

If any of you will be at Pebble and want to go to the unveiling party drop me an email

[email protected]

Best

[Everlasting]

i hope the visit to the wind tunnel didn't ruin the shape too much cause i think it's just perfect as it is although my personal taste is irrelevant here
i'll be more than eagre to see the final rendition of this fascinating project and hoping for the best!

[lorbmw69]

Love the side profile! it really harks back to the p3/4.

the rear view looks like a zonda and the front looks very modern...and i just love the whole thing.

can't wait to see more detailed pics. i really wish i could make it out to pebble.

[nickthaskater]

Thanks! This is the styling model as of Dec. 05. We took this shape into the wind tunnel and made some changes based on what we learned. We also worked on the nose and it's curvier/shorter as are the headlights.

In the Carbon it looks different and IMO really great more transparent, lighter.
I'm holding my judgement for the final model just for those points. I think it will look significantly different even with just the transparent cabin and headlights, let alone a more curved nose (which I think will help quite a bit) and different headlights.

Can't wait to see the real deal!

[koenigsegg]

is jim glickenhaus here?
if you are watching this please please post photod of your cars!!!!!
napolis!!!! god bless you for make come true this 612 p4/5 you are a supercar hero!!!!!!!!!!!

please post some photos please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i live in mexico and i can´t see it :shock:

[nickthaskater]

Just go stay up to date with this thread

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92754&page=83

It took me 3 days, but I finally read through it all, and it was worth it 100%.

[bmagni]

wow, can't wait to see the final product.
There are some things I don't like but I'm sure they're already modified.

As for PB, how many people are you expecting to attend ?

[stradale]

*closes his eyes and imagines he's at Pabble Beach this year*

[TNT]

Veyron contender? :hmm:

[nthfinity]

Veyron contender? :hmm:

the Veyron isn't in the same catagory..... rather then the Veyron being in a different, and higher economic bracket... its just the opposite here :-P The 612 P4/5 is in a WAYYYYYYY higher bracket ;) and do different things.

[Zot09]

This car is going to be beautiful, can't wait to see it.
Oh yeah, and thanks again for the invite to the unveiling party Mr. Glickenhaus(this is the same zot09 from ferrarichat). Everyone on JW can expect a full coverage from me!

[acmarttin]

Napolis - I have been following the story on fchat.com for months, and just wanted to congratulate you. The "Pininfarina Ferrari P4/5" has definitely been something for us car people to talk about! My friends don't believe me when I tell them about the guy who got Pininfarina to build him his own Ferrari , based on an Enzo of all things... then I send them the link!

All the best to you and yours,
Adam

[nickthaskater]

That's still not the final car ;)

[nthfinity]

That's still not the final car ;)

in fact.... its a very poorly done photoshop of the 3/4 picture already released

[nickthaskater]

Positively breathtaking... I love every inch of it.

[bmagni]

speechless, absolutely wordless...

Congratulations Jim.

This is truly an amzaing thing you did. "Veramente una macchina eccezionale"
Thanks for sharing it.

[nthfinity]

for very hi-res

http://www.pininfarina.it/repository/En/historyandmodels/PressKit_P4-5.zip

:)

[Napolis]

Thanks!!

[yg60m]

Thanks nth !! :D Just saw these pics on another site and they are awesome !! What a wonderful car ! :good:

[sameerrao]

Fantastic car. It makes the Enzo look like a kit car.

The best view of the car IMO is the rear - love the exposed upward facing exhausts, single tailights, venturis, etc. What are the two vents below the car?

I love the bubble shaped canopy - v. cool.

Jim, can you post pictures of the engine bay.

[nthfinity]

Jim, if you see this....

i'm curious about the exhaust.... does idversely affect air flow? what are the new dimensions of the car, and force of drag at speed?

thanks for any info :)

[nickthaskater]

The exhaust aids in aerodynamics/downforce.

I also requested photos of the engine bay and exhaust on ferrarichat the other day in his thread, so hopefully we'll get to see those soon.

[Napolis]

Technical data on Pininfarina's web site Press/Press kit

[nthfinity]

Technical data on Pininfarina's web site Press/Press kit

hehe :oops: how did i miss that

thanks :)

[RAMMIUS]

:shock:

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[nickthaskater]

As posted by Jim over on Ferrari Chat in reference to those last photos posted...
"Those are in the Pininfarina Press kit. They are PChops of the styling model and the real green house and headlights made for Car and Driver because of the need to provide a photo in time for the issue before Pebble we had to make those as the car wasn't finished. (Note interior is P shop and wrong color)"

[Napolis]

Hi

There's a link to video in the FCHAT thread post 2387 but until I get 25 posts here I can't post a link.

Best

[LotusGT1]

Ferrari P4/5 Test Drive - YouTube

Thanks for the heads up. Amazing what happens when a rich guy is a genuine driving enthousiast. Love the outcome!!

[Mercedes5CLR]

Great looking car!!!! the sound at the end of the video is pretty good, i cant wait till we get some better footage of it.

[Napolis]

Thanks!

[nickthaskater]

lol, that looks like shit and i also recall some other car having the same front end as that and everyone seemed to of not liked it, but now this car has the same front end but happens to have a Ferrari badge and great. interesting!!

also the rims look like total shit and like plastic hub caps!!
Wow... Could be a little more rude and disrespectful please? Christ, maturity seems to be quite a rare commodity these days...

[nickthaskater]

Repeatedly saying how the car 'looks ike shit' is pretty damn rude, and then continuing on how you did was rather unnecessary. If you don't like the car, there are far more respectful ways to go about expressing that, especially considering the owner of the car is posting in this thread.

[nickthaskater]

lol telling me to grow up... Whatever man, enjoy being a dick.

[lorbmw69]

you may not like it but there is no need to be dick about it. grow up

[Napolis]

The nose is quite different. The inlet size is different as is it's shape. The entire cross section is more curved as is the shape of the head lights. The vanishing point is different.The front fenders are more curved. The entire car is a lot different which is quite apparent when one compares the car to the styling mode as opposed to spouting things that are not true. The stying model is 8 months old and as I've said it evolved considerably as a result of what we learned in the wind tunnel and esthetic reasons.

As an aside these changes have also resulted in lower drag and more balanced aerodynamics which make P 4/5 the fastest road legal Ferrari ever built with a 0-100 kph very close to 3 seconds and a top speed of 240 mph. (See the Car and Driver article)

Your implication that people who've posted opinions here contrary to yours is simply because Ferrari has decided that the car is worthy to carry their badges is sad and pathetic. Insulting people simply because they have an opposite opinion than you speaks for itself.

[kjekki]

:shock: :shock:

this car is absolutly amazing.. and when it maybe will be better than the enzo to drive it certanly is a GREAT car!!

damn, love it, absolutly one of the sexyest modern cars...

people like jim really diserves a BIG thank you :D

[Napolis]

Auto Express Web site has new photo's

[bmagni]

thnx !

will you take it to the NAIAS ???

[Kulstad]

This makes me think of some wild cars like Edonis. I like it.

[caru]

After reading this car board a while I have come to this conclusion none would have said that this is a great looking car unless it wouldn't have a Ferrari mark in it and that's for sure!

I have seen better looking cars in here that people say it's utter rubbish...

Saying that this car is going to be very fast is correct but if it wouldn't have been a ferrari then here wouldn't have been any nice opinions about the car.

I know the owner is here but I just can't take it that people say it's awesome just because it's a Ferrari.

[RC45]

I read the magazine article - and correct me if I got the wrong impression, but the car was an idea Pininfarinna came up with, then went looking to find a wealthy Tifosi interested in participating in the project (meaning - would you pay for our experiement).

It was not borne of someone calling up Pinifarinna and saying "Build me the baddest car in the universe".

Now about the car itself, it looks good, but not awesome.

If it was "my" project, I would have gone for something that looked a lot closer to the P3/P4 - but its not my project, so int hat context its awesome.

I also feel had the car been badged a Corvette people would line up to take turns at spitting on it ... ;) :P

[ice]

Yet more people using the whole "if it was this, then this" garbage. Well, fortunately for us, it is nothing but pure speculation since this is a Ferrari with the design direction of pininfarina. I love it, and it wouldnt matter if it was a fiat bagde on it, its got lines that no car in recent memory has, a silhouette that is downright sexy and details that evoke memories of many different Ferrari's. I mean, no one omplains about the GTO breadvan of the 60's, but the world would be a darker place if it was never made.

[LotusGT1]

I also feel had the car been badged a Corvette people would line up to take turns at spitting on it ... ;) :P

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[RC45]

I also feel had the car been badged a Corvette people would line up to take turns at spitting on it ... ;) :P

http://www.vstreet.cc/site/ctx/mod/vedit/smiley/crying.gif

There you go - you've managed to fuckup yet another thread single handedly.

Let's rephase...

I also feel had the car been badged anything except Ferrari people would line up to take turns at spitting on it ... ;) :P

[R8audi]

This makes me think of some wild cars like Edonis.


I agree... although, it reminds me more of a noble M12... Large proportions and a stubby rear.

I must be honest, I'm not such a huge fan. As an engineering project, sure it's great, but ferrari draws on a base of passionate racing heritage when designing and building cars, and this to me, is a bit of an imposter.

[Everlasting]

Ferrari P4/5 Pebble Beach Unveiling

Ferrari P4/5 Unveiling - YouTube

[stradale]

I read the magazine article - and correct me if I got the wrong impression, but the car was an idea Pininfarinna came up with, then went looking to find a wealthy Tifosi interested in participating in the project (meaning - would you pay for our experiement).

It was not borne of someone calling up Pinifarinna and saying "Build me the baddest car in the universe".

I don't know which article you're referring to, but that doesn't sound right to me. Why would Jim Glickenhaus own the rights to the design if that was the case? If this would have been Pininfarina's idea I doubt it would have been a modern interpretation of the 330 P3/4. Anyway, I think Jim is the right person to provide a conclusive answer on this.

I also feel had the car been badged a Corvette people would line up to take turns at spitting on it ... ;) :P

Rightly so. Wouldn't you spit on a Corvette trying to impersonate a Ferrari? ;) :P

[Napolis]

Hi

Nice article in new Top Gear with studio shots. Pininfarina asked me if I'd consider commissioning a one off car. I thought about it and answered:

"I'd like something that looks like a P4 on an Enzo chassis."

Pininfarina handed those instructions over to one of their designers Jason Castriota and the voyage began. P 4/5 flowed from Jason's first sketch.

Best

[bmagni]

I read the magazine article - and correct me if I got the wrong impression, but the car was an idea Pininfarinna came up with, then went looking to find a wealthy Tifosi interested in participating in the project (meaning - would you pay for our experiement).

It was not borne of someone calling up Pinifarinna and saying "Build me the baddest car in the universe".

I don't know which article you're referring to, but that doesn't sound right to me. Why would Jim Glickenhaus own the rights to the design if that was the case? If this would have been Pininfarina's idea I doubt it would have been a modern interpretation of the 330 P3/4. Anyway, I think Jim is the right person to provide a conclusive answer on this.

Its in this months Car and Driver. Pininfarina looked for someone to be in their experiment, so that they could show to the world what they're capable of and that comisioning a car to them isn't as expensive as most people think. Meaning that they are making new business.

I really like the car, I think its really amazing but this "publicity stunt" kinda takes appeal off of it from my point of view.

[RC45]

Hi

Nice article in new Top Gear with studio shots. Pininfarina asked me if I'd consider commissioning a one off car. I thought about it and answered:

"I'd like something that looks like a P4 on an Enzo chassis."

Pininfarina handed those instructions over to one of their designers Jason Castriota and the voyage began. P 4/5 flowed from Jason's first sketch.

Best

Thanks for the clarification. Thta's how the article portrayed the events :)

I also feel had the car been badged a Corvette people would line up to take turns at spitting on it ... ;) :P

Rightly so. Wouldn't you spit on a Corvette trying to impersonate a Ferrari? ;) :P
Not at all - I am sure you must be up on your Pininfarina history, and if so, must know they have done a couple car for GM over the years.

My implication was that had this been a Pininfarina Corvette base special (or Viper based, or Mustang based - heck even Porsche based) your reaction might be more critical. ;)

[Napolis]

And very happy to be there.

[bmagni]

will scale models be done ?? if so, which manufacturers will be doing them ?

thanx

[Napolis]

Evo 098, Gordon Murray:

"How many of our today's cars will be considered classics in, say, 20 or 30 years' time?

One that will be is the brand-new Pininfarina-designed one-off Ferrari P4/5 supercar, based on a Ferrari Enzo. All supercars have presence and a certain "dramatic" look, but not all of them have style. The Enzo is certainly dramatic, but it manages to look very large (it is!) and very disjointed - the lines just don't flow. Panel shut gaps are too big and obvious, the front overhang is just too long, and the whole effect is styling rather than style.

Enter the P4/5 - a truly beautiful, balanced shape. I'm sure Pininfarina will have the "retro" finger pointed at them, but while there's no mistaking its heritage, the style is crisp, fresh and bang up to date. This is not a sycophantic exercise like the Ford GT but very much a new design in its own right. If I was offered the keys to either the Enzo or the P4/5, I know which one I would be driving home."

[blue8]

check out this month's issue of Winding Road (free download on the website) for a full review of the P4/5 on track and on the streets! :D

[blue8]

:shock: if only it were in a higher resolution...

[TopGearNL]

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1412/zooby1ip7.th.jpg (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zooby1ip7.jpg) :love: :love:

Great Pic Dani! :D

[davide]

I don't know - just found it in Supercars.net :D :bah:

I hope someone has it in hi-res :P

If you had it, I might just kill you to get it :twisted:
hehe

[TopGearNL]

/\/\ Nice! :D