View Full Version : Porsche GT3 vs Ferrari Enzo (+200 mph)
Hainz
03-18-2006, 12:13 PM
http://www.gumball3000blog.com/2006/03/15/gumball-2004-gt3-vs-enzo/
The GT3 hits the 197 mph (317 km/h) and he couldn't keep up with the enzo!
:shock:
yg60m
03-18-2006, 01:23 PM
Impressive indeed :shock:
franck bullitt
03-18-2006, 02:29 PM
WWOOWW ... the Yellow Enzo is amazingly fast .... :shock: :D
The sound of the Flat6 is sweety good :!: :shock: 8)
SFDMALEX
03-18-2006, 05:26 PM
Well Im suprised how well the GT3 actually did. I expected the Enzo to simply go at 2x speed.
Hovik
03-18-2006, 07:15 PM
WOW... that must have been AWESOME!
That must have been in Morocco, right?
mindgam3
03-18-2006, 07:41 PM
Not suprised really, straight road, outright power will always win.... but yeah, didn't know a gt3 could go that fast? Sure its not a GT2?
Hovik
03-18-2006, 07:52 PM
I think it was shot from this car..
http://www.gt3000.com/pictures1.htm
Hainz
03-19-2006, 05:21 AM
WOW... that must have been AWESOME!
That must have been in Morocco, right?
It was a movie of Team 19 during the Gumball 2004. It was in Marocco, correct. There were no speed limits in Marocco, confirmed by the Marocco President.
I also can confirm that it was a GT3 and not a RS or a GT2. Here is a picture of that German team:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5928/gum041ky.jpg
taygunho
03-19-2006, 11:36 AM
wow this is really fast chase. 911 gt3 is fast than I think but enzo should passed 911 at 2x speed like Sfdmalex said before
ae86_16v
03-19-2006, 02:10 PM
Holy smack. . . that is fast. Hahah almost 200mph and the Enzo didn't even break a sweat. The GT3 is very impressive as well. That's a lot of speed for a car only rated at 380hp :D.
Thanks for the vid.
Zarkoff500
03-19-2006, 03:07 PM
I read in a car magazine a while back (R&T, C&D or MotorTrend) that the speedometers of European cars were commonly off, especially at high speeds. This could explain the surprising indicated speed of 317 kph.
taygunho
03-19-2006, 04:35 PM
^^^all factroies set their speedometers to show higher speed than their real speed because of safety issue. However sportcar makers like ferrari , porsche etc... makes their speedometers more realistic than other companies. I read a article about that two years ago and said" we put 5 cars a gps speedometer and we tested their original speedometer. The test was at 120kph ford focus did 109kph vw passat did 110kph mercedes s class (I don't remember wich engine has it) did 112 kph and porsche 911 did 116 kph last one was a tiny car but I don't remember wich one I guess it was daihatsu". And in adition to this 996 911 gt3 has most relaible speedometer when it was first produced. When it show 300 kph actually it is going at 304 kph. I read this at CAR magazine.
imprezaWRC
03-20-2006, 12:03 PM
awesome video ,thanks for the link :)
fireguy
03-20-2006, 03:26 PM
thanks; that was great....gotta give it to both drivers for going balls-out on a two lane.
Just_me
03-20-2006, 03:26 PM
More info from the drivers
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69558
mmmmmmmmmmm raw speed, i had no idea a gt3 could hang up at those speeds. :shock:
If that was atrue 317kmh ground speed (which I doubt - as we have already shown some cars have great discrepency) then for sure that GT3 was modded.
A 380hp stock GT3 would not pull 197mph - but an extra 100hp would probably allow it to... Now the big question, given the extra power, could stock geared GT3 pull that speed with a stock red line? ;)
JoeHahn
03-21-2006, 02:18 AM
Well the GT3 is capable of a claimed 190mph which isnt a small feat. A 996 GT2 MkI has been clocked at 198mph when Porsche claimed 195 so I cant see why the GT3 isnt capable of ~193 and the rest can be made up by speedo inaccuracy.
faisal7
03-21-2006, 10:08 AM
nice video
impressive speed achieved by the porsche
Hainz
03-21-2006, 10:21 AM
Later that day, the Ferrari Enzo drove 227 mph (366 kph) :!:
http://www.gumball3000blog.com/2006/03/15/gumball-top-speed/
The owner is Kalbas, he did the 2005 rally in a Mercedes Benz CLK AMG DTM :shock:
http://www.bmwm5.com/photo/data/566/4437.jpg
GUMBALL ROCKS !! :D
Well the GT3 is capable of a claimed 190mph which isnt a small feat. A 996 GT2 MkI has been clocked at 198mph when Porsche claimed 195 so I cant see why the GT3 isnt capable of ~193 and the rest can be made up by speedo inaccuracy.
380bhp is why 197mph is doubtful.. besides, if that car was stock then it was the ONLY stock car in the entire Gumball Rally... ever ;)
380bhp translates to about 335rwhp... hardly enough to push an aerodynamically dirty car like the GT3 complete with it's huge rear wing to 197mph... throw an ECU mod, an exhaust mod - give it another 80 to 100rwhp and then sure 197mph is probable - but 335rwhp just wouldn't seem to be enough to pull all the way to 197mph.
Unless of course the regular laws of physics, fluid dynamics and the universe don't apply to Porkers... ;) :P
nthfinity
03-21-2006, 09:33 PM
Well the GT3 is capable of a claimed 190mph which isnt a small feat. A 996 GT2 MkI has been clocked at 198mph when Porsche claimed 195 so I cant see why the GT3 isnt capable of ~193 and the rest can be made up by speedo inaccuracy.
380bhp is why 197mph is doubtful.. besides, if that car was stock then it was the ONLY stock car in the entire Gumball Rally... ever ;)
380bhp translates to about 335rwhp... hardly enough to push an aerodynamically dirty car like the GT3 complete with it's huge rear wing to 197mph... throw an ECU mod, an exhaust mod - give it another 80 to 100rwhp and then sure 197mph is probable - but 335rwhp just wouldn't seem to be enough to pull all the way to 197mph.
Unless of course the regular laws of physics, fluid dynamics and the universe don't apply to Porkers... ;) :P
well, i have this to say
you have less drivetrain loss in a GT3 then you do in a Z06... less rotational mass beyond the flywheel.
second, as RPM increase, loss increases exponentially
third, aerodymaically speaking, the GT3 doesnt produce lift; but the wing only stabilizes the rear at speed (i think st. A pointed out it was 100-200 lbs @ 160ish for both the GT2, and GT3)
fourth, the 911 is inherently a very slippery shape. much more so then the C5 Z ;)
so... if the factory claim 190; my guess is that is very close to redline; and it may in fact do 191, 192 in good conditinos... mabey 197 if there is a heafty tailwind, and its cool out.
^^ I wasn't using the C5 Z as a standard, just the average HP other vehicles seem to need to get that close to the magic 200mph. :)
Even 345rwhp is really not 200mph territory with street cars - right?
I am not saying that a GT3 could not be a 197mph car, but I am suggesting that a 197mph true ground speed GT3 is most likely not stock and producing more than 380bhp :)
Some RPM, tyre rolling diameter, and gear ratio info would be useful as well.
JoeHahn
03-21-2006, 10:54 PM
I'd close to bet my house that a stock GT3 would be pushing closer to 400bhp than 380, I also doubt you'd be getting 100bhp out of simple engine mods.
I'd close to bet my house that a stock GT3 would be pushing closer to 400bhp than 380, I also doubt you'd be getting 100bhp out of simple engine mods.
So the car is underrated at 380bhp then? ;) - I think if this was the case then every magazine would talk about this fact .
Either way my point would be made then that the car would need to be more powerful to pull 197mph.. ;)
I am going to guess that the GT3 pulls top speed of 190mph in 6th gear at 7400 rpm... which is ironically the peak power RPM point... of 380bhp...
This would lead me to believe the car is drag limitied to 190mph in stock form.. at because top speed is not reached at red line in 5th, but rather at a lower RPM in 6th, adding more power would increase the top speed relatively easily.
But this is all speculaiton - so let's ask St Anger who, of us is closer to the real story... ;) hehe
Just_me
03-22-2006, 03:51 AM
RC45 you are always questioning everything
BTW soon Im getting a ride in the new Z06. I expect the car to be a monster if not Im going to make sure you hear about it :lol: :D
RC45 you are always questioning everything
BTW soon Im getting a ride in the new Z06. I expect the car to be a monster if not Im going to make sure you hear about it :lol: :D
And what is wrong with questioning?
Besides I only quesiotn things that on the surface are either bullshit, or not as they appear.
And a stock 380bhp GT3 running 197mph as far as I am aware is either bullshit - or the car is no longer stock.. ;)
fireguy
03-22-2006, 03:56 PM
Guys.......if you read the Gumball threads you will see the owner of the GT3 says his car has a taller 6th gear and 1.4 bar boost so i wouldn't say it is bulls**t
Guys.......if you read the Gumball threads you will see the owner of the GT3 says his car has a taller 6th gear and 1.4 bar boost so i wouldn't say it is bulls**t
Does anyone bother to READ what is posted?
If the car has "taller gears and extra boost" then it is by DEFINITION no longer stock.
So back to the gist of the replies above - Claims of a STOCK GT3 running 197mph are probably bullshit... a video of a STCOK GT3 running 197mph is not a video of a STOCK GT3 but rather a modified GT3.
Whether a taller 6th gear (which is actually not needed as the stock GT3 6th is 0.84 which is enough to pull 220mph if the car had enough power) or 1.4 bar of boost (which is antoher bizarre claim as a GT3 is not a Turbo charged car ;)) these are mods to the stock car.
So - back to the orginal video and what it represents... based on annectdotes from GT3 drivers and specs as published, I am doubting a stock 380bhp GT3 will run 197mph in 6th gear - I am doubting a stock 380bhp GT3 could run 197mph in 5th gear, as 8200rpm in 5th (1:1) with 18" rear wheels is 170-something mph if I am not mistaken.
So we could almost certainly conclude the speed shown in the video is 197mph, we might then conclude the car is in 6th gear at about 7500 rpm and because it is able to pull 7500rpm in 6th gear is running more than the stock 380bhp.
For those who do not know, I love the GT3, I might even be considered a GT3 "fanboy" - but that doesn't mean I still don't want to see ACCURATE info posted ;)
Until rpoven otherwise my opinion (and you can have your own ;)) is that the car in the video is a non-stock GT3 running 197mph in 6th gear at 7500rpm ;) :P
p.s. unless all my GT3 info about gear ratios, rear end raitos, wheel sizes, rpm redline etc are all wrong :P
chernobyl
03-23-2006, 07:53 AM
My stock GT3 runs 197 all the time.
My stock GT3 runs 197 all the time.
OK - video of the rev counter, speedo and GPS verification would put this to rest....
Right? :)
dingo
03-23-2006, 09:20 AM
Well the GT3 is capable of a claimed 190mph which isnt a small feat. A 996 GT2 MkI has been clocked at 198mph when Porsche claimed 195 so I cant see why the GT3 isnt capable of ~193 and the rest can be made up by speedo inaccuracy.
We did an indicated 332kmh (206mph) in a standard 996 GT2 last year in Alice Springs, so there is obvioulsy quite a bit of inaccuracy in the speedo if the factory figures are to be believed. :)
LotusGT1
03-23-2006, 10:52 AM
Topspeed factory claimed is 193 mph or 311 kph. So 197 mph on the speedo wouldn't be that ackward.
Although this particular car appearantly is modified, I wonder why Porsche would choose to severely overrate the topspeed of the GT3, RC?
Topspeed factory claimed is 193 mph or 311 kph. So 197 mph on the speedo wouldn't be that ackward.
Although this particular car appearantly is modified, I wonder why Porsche would choose to severely overrate the topspeed of the GT3, RC?
WHo said anything about "over rate" or "underate".
It comes down to physics... what gear does the car pull 190mph? And then what would be needed to pull 197mph in that gear?
Wheel/tyre diametere and RPMs in the gears will determine whether are car is gear limited (a physical limitaiton you CANNOT over come until you change gear or dif ratios.... ot a drag limited as in the car will not pull any more RPM's in stock form - and then if you want to go faster you MIGHT be able to do so with a shorter final drive - or more power.
These is the absolute truth. ;)
I am not slamming or hating on the GT3 - I love the GT3, but I am also partial to 100% factual posts on JW... ;) :P
We do not promote and support rumour or busllshit... right? ;) :P
Gear, power, wind resistance - this determines how fast you can go... not what the 'fanboys" claim ;)
You either change gearing, add power or lower windresistance ;)
Just_me
03-23-2006, 03:22 PM
How fast is the new Z06? Topspeed?
How fast is the new Z06? Topspeed?
Stock or with an open exhaust, cam and ECU tuning? :P
Just_me
03-23-2006, 03:47 PM
How fast is the new Z06? Topspeed?
Stock or with an open exhaust, cam and ECU tuning? :P
stock please .
BTW this is the car Im getting a ride in when the snow disappear from sweden. Cant wait :D
http://z06.rikskrim.se/_galleri/album/2
A stock C6 Z06 should be able to pull 198mph. Thats about 6400rpm in 5th gear. Red line is 7000rpm, so in the idea is that with an extra 100hp (which is what a header, cam and ECU excercise will get you) the car should easily pull closer to the 7000rpm redline in 5th gear - 7000rpm in 5th calculates to 219mph - so how close it pulls to 7000rpm we shall have to wait and see.
It will not be long before we start seeign what GPS groundspeed the modded C6 Z06's start turning in.
As an indicator, stock geared 550+rwhp C5 Z06s have been posting 205mph+ true ground speeds in 5th, and a couple of the 650+rwhp Twin Turbo cars have posted 215+mph times in 6th... thats only turn 5300rpm ;)
I have bumped the rev limter in 5th in my car when it was stock, so that calculated out to 175mp - I have an extra 250rpm available now, so with the extra 100hp I have will pull 182mph in 5th - and if other folks are anything to go by, with 420rwhp I should be able to pull about 4900rpm in 6th gear, which is 198mph.
The secret is all in the gearing - the C5 Z06 has shorter gears than the C6 Z06... so we are crippled by having to shift UP to get past 180mph.
With a transmission swap to the C6 Z06 (which is actually the regular C5 Coupe transmission) the C5 Z06 will be able to follow the C6 Z06 speeds very closely.
Enjoy your upcoming ride... is this the same person/car then?
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37291
Just_me
03-23-2006, 06:16 PM
Thanks RC.
Not sure if its him but as far as I know, Sweden dont have many Z06 yet. His car is about one month old so he recently got the car.
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