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Fluxlo

12-17-2003, 02:31 AM

eh? i'm not a heavy poster on this forum, but it's not like i just pounce on any videos i see...most of the talk here doesn't interest me too much, if a very interesting discussion comes up i'll gladly and willingly join it. I visit the forums every day, and i spend at least 30 minutes reading, if not more. Don't just assume that everyone that doesn't have a post count of over 50, or a 100 is just here for the video's.

Minacious

12-17-2003, 02:35 AM

Which is why I said "MANY" and not "EVERYONE" :wink:

Fluxlo

12-17-2003, 02:43 AM

didn't mean to direct that towards you miniacious. I was basing my comments off the first post :)

Chaos in 1983!

12-17-2003, 02:44 AM

about 3000 members have 1 or less posts! like 2600 have ZERO posts. this is out of like 3400! only 300 people visit the forums each day. averaging like 20 at a time. something must be done! it makes me sad when i come back after a day to see that no ones replied to my posts due to lack of viewers.

I noticed that a while ago too...but you can't really control that unless you put a time limit or something, like if a member is inactive for 6 months or something, his account will be deleted...but then jabba, tt and fish would have to deal with people saying they went on a half year vacation in the jungles of congo or some other god forsaken place, asking for their account to be activated again with all their post count...so I think we're better off the way we are... :wink:

ported_head

12-17-2003, 05:55 AM

it's sounds really bad statistically....but the reality is different. not all the cars are relative to where i live..in my country we are still a few car decades behind other countries...though they just started selling the bentley arnage red label here. so i would rather wait and get to know the car better before i post something like" that's a sweet looking car." rather stay silent than be pathetic.

12-17-2003, 05:56 AM

about 3000 members have 1 or less posts! like 2600 have ZERO posts. this is out of like 3400! only 300 people visit the forums each day. averaging like 20 at a time. something must be done! it makes me sad when i come back after a day to see that no ones replied to my posts due to lack of viewers.

I don't know wich forums you visit, but around here I always thought we had a perfectly lively community with 100 core member... since you registered we had a dramatic increase of post and you still think the forum is slow?
I hope not all the 3400 members will start posting because I'd find 2000 new posts to read every morning! :D

geekdiggy

12-17-2003, 07:57 AM

there are 3361 registered JW memebers. of those:

only 95 have more than 100 posts
3239 have less than 50 posts since registering
2856 have 0 posts

i know i'll get quite annoyed at the barage of new members posting like hell to get video vault access. most of their post content will be worthless (as we've already seen) and idunno how much i can take of it before i pull my nose hairs out with a pair of hot forks.

i find it funny though that ever since jabba announced the new access rules HUNDREDS of members have crawled out from under their respective rocks to post their asses off hoping to catch some sweet top gear episodes.

makes me wonder why i even bother at all

dhacke

12-17-2003, 09:19 AM

you know its not so uncommon.. on my own site there are over 600 registered users, of which maybe less than 50 or so actually post regularly

626 total users
468 have 0 posts
90 more have between 1 and 5 posts

so there's kinda a trend here, and I bet if you check at a few more forums you would find a similar pattern emerging, although of course here at JW many obviously have registered for the videos only and since the changes some are now spamming any damn thread they find even if its previously been dead for 3 months just to try and look helpful and worthy of dl access ..

fishfreek

12-17-2003, 09:22 AM

Of course about 1500 of those members joined after the vault came online.

altedza

12-17-2003, 09:24 AM

Wide

12-17-2003, 11:39 AM

I`m very happy with this place..
People u counted who has more than 100 posts had discovered this place is heaven...

doyle

12-17-2003, 01:17 PM

As you can tell from my register date, I joined fairly recently. I am a reader and not a poster. I have been on Rennlist for over 3 years and have just about 250 posts total and I check it everyday. Same goes for JW, I check this site nearly everyday, but I don't feel the need to comment on every post usually because by the time I have a comment, someone has already posted something similar and I don't see any need in posting the same thing.

I agree that many people join to grab videos, but that's the nature of the internet. People search to find what they like. If something here catches someone's eye then they'll stick around.

I found this site through a video link from somewhere else. It caught my eye, and I have been checking it ever since. I fully understand the requirements of the moderators in basing access off the number of posts, but wouldn't a more fair way be to base it off the number of visits, or the average amount of visits per week if possible? I would bet that there a few out there like me who are loyal visitors and readers but don't feel the need to create a post for every thought that comes to mind.

That's just my 2 cents.

doyle

possessed_beaver

12-17-2003, 01:54 PM

I found this site through a video link from somewhere else. It caught my eye, and I have been checking it ever since. I fully understand the requirements of the moderators in basing access off the number of posts, but wouldn't a more fair way be to base it off the number of visits, or the average amount of visits per week if possible? I would bet that there a few out there like me who are loyal visitors and readers but don't feel the need to create a post for every thought that comes to mind.

That's just my 2 cents.

doyle

i mean sure!!! and then we should start paying people to join!!
that would be sooo awsome! or not
web servers cost money... good web servers cost even more..
jabbas world uses a GOOD web server, and costs GOOD money to run, you could atleast contribute.

give something back after taking (even if u say thats "HOW THE INTERNET WORKS") cuz it works like that evreywhere else doesent have to work like that here..

"exeption to the rule"

doyle

12-17-2003, 02:55 PM

Give back what, exactly? Post after mindless post containg drivvle and whatever thought enters my head? You said that a good server costs "good money" to run and I completely agree, but does that mean that I should take up additional server space by posting shit just to get my post count up in the hopes of a video or two?

Most of my posts are carefully thought out to be beneficial, I don't see any need to post a "LOL" or smiley face if someone posts something funny. I read it, chuckle, and move on. If the mods decide to start charging for the videos, that won't stop me from reading the forums. I would think it beneficial to have people ready to hop in and help out when they can. I don't think server space is properly utilized by posting a reply to every thread.

So beev..., what's your solution? The topic is about people registering just to get videos and a comment was made about how many of those people never visit the forums. I simply put forth a possible alternative to base the access on visits as opposed to actual posts.

12-17-2003, 03:06 PM

but wouldn't a more fair way be to base it off the number of visits, or the average amount of visits per week if possible? I would bet that there a few out there like me who are loyal visitors and readers but don't feel the need to create a post for every thought that comes to mind

Problem it's easy to see who visit every day, but we cannot really go through all the 800+ usuers to see how many topics they view or if they just came to snag vids ;)

PATo355

12-17-2003, 03:06 PM

Bah , this site rocks , let the leechers leech we dont care , there is always ppl with good point of view to share and talk to them ... :D

doyle

12-17-2003, 03:20 PM

Problem it's easy to see who visit every day, but we cannot really go through all the 800+ usuers to see how many topics they view or if they just came to snag vids

Good point. What about a counter for each topic clicked on and then base the access on that number? I really don't care as the videos are nice but not essential for my being here. All I am pointing out is there are a lot of us introverts lurking around everyday who will never get a high post count . :)

doyle

Ziploc

12-17-2003, 05:33 PM

im with doyle

im here every day and enjoy the reading very much but is just sometimes can't think of something that i can say that will actually add to topics

12-17-2003, 05:36 PM

We can already see the number of pages loaded by everybody, don't worry, but to do like you suggest, we would anyway have to check every user manually you see?

So we still prefer to stick with a more naive method.. just our own judgment.. it can sound medieval, but it's trusty usually :)

And Ziploc, don't be shy :D

godspeed06

12-17-2003, 06:12 PM

"i know i'll get quite annoyed at the barage of new members posting like hell to get video vault access. most of their post content will be worthless (as we've already seen) and idunno how much i can take of it before i pull my nose hairs out with a pair of hot forks.

i find it funny though that ever since jabba announced the new access rules HUNDREDS of members have crawled out from under their respective rocks to post their asses off hoping to catch some sweet top gear episodes.

makes me wonder why i even bother at all"

you are the problem with this forum, not the new posters and the ones who have been lurking in the woodwork.there is no reason why you should get pissed about a "meaningless" post, all you have to do is scroll down. you elitist, high post count bastards go around telling everyone to CONTRIBUTE and POST, then when they do, you turn back on them and talk about how all of their posts are meaningless. we can't win, even if we want to be part of the board and get the vids, we will still have you assholes bitching about us. i know what you guys are thinking, "oh, look at that guy, he joined two days ago and he has over 50 posts already, what a bitch" so what? you need to either get off of your high horse and stop bitching, or let the vids be free access. who are you to judge our motives? either way, im sticking around. you just want to keep all the new posters out of vid access so you and the other elitist posters can feel special.

gis

12-17-2003, 06:18 PM

^^^ not really,its not the fact that there is a new member and he posts,like yourself but about 500 new members joined and like 15 people started posting all att he same time and they all asked straight off in the first posts askin about vids.

about makin the vids access free,bandwidth aint free so neither can the access to everyone.

BTW i have a high post count,i dont consider myself a bastard thank you very much

12-17-2003, 06:29 PM

Let's try to clear things a little... if we keep saying what we "require" is because ppl keep asking.. basically the best for us would just be to stay silent and see who really enjoys the community.. and after some days / weeks, just add him to the group able to download, informing him and so on...

Of course when ppl ask and we answer them, we know that a wave of new posters will arrive. It's sort of a pain for me too since I have to read everything ;)
Sure I know lot of old topics where brought back to life, but that was not a surprise..

And again, I'll repeat again: we don't do that to be Nazi or something like that.. if we have to limit access is to keep the forum alive... of course we'd like to use every single GB of bandwidth providing stuff to everybody, but we simply can't and again, we love our community, so it's obvious that the first thing we have to kill when the site has problems, are the vids.. and if we have to limit the access we have to use some kind of method to choose them...

The post flooding was not really that bad IMO.. bit scary sure ;) but things slowed already down, and in some weeks we will see the users that really enjoy their stay around here :) and I hope the pleasure would be for them too, having found a good place to hang around...

To apply rules is never nice, we already tried to have strick rules about post counts, or comments posted or something like that, but ppl were still bitching, so now we have no more "real rules".. we just us our judgment, that's all..
That can seem even worst, but maybe that will help keeping ppl "honest"... useless to say "minumum posts required are 200"... because during the night 10 or 20 ppl will post 200 times and get there...

I don't know if my point is understandeable or not, but I begin to be tired to explain over and over again in the forums or via PM how we feel about the situation and so on...

godspeed06

12-17-2003, 06:35 PM

like i said, i dont mind the vids being held until you have been deemed a "contributor." just stop complaining about all the new people. they want vids and to get them they have to post. just don't act so elitist. there was a thread going around somewhere called the "memberlist of shame" or something like that. that is uncalled for. if a moderator thinks someone needs to be banned then ban him, dont make up and entire thread mocking everyone who just wanted some vids. if all they want is vids, and they dont want to contribute, then they will get sick of it and leave. it will work itself out. i don't see how some of you guys want the board to grow considering how you treat new members.

besides, how long has this board been around? most of you elitist guys i have seen have only been around since the summer anyway. wow, you've been here for a few months, big fucking deal. its a big shock to come from boards where people have been around for almost a decade and they still thank and congratulate new posters. then you guys, who have been here for four months, bash people for wanting to know about vids. give me a break.

12-17-2003, 06:45 PM

I see your point. And I'm not really complaining about the new members.. of course the wave of posting caught us a little by surprise, but I ALWAYS respect everybody, and I didn't see terrible moments of true SPAM, so all is ok IMO.. really!

As for the Hall of Shame.. not beeing around when some things happened, I can't ask you if you remember, but in there, we only posted about ppl really spamming, and I mean SPAMMING!

We had a rule about "at least 50 posts".. and suddently you see a member registering and posting 50 times "thanks" in 50 different topics... don't you call that spam? I think you do.

And I'm sad to see there is still somebody calling us elitists (in a negative way)

WE HAVE TO BE "elitists".. it's like that, and we're not racingflix or supercars.net...

The forum was born in June yes.. things started little earlier on RF, and if you don't understand the concept of "core members", I can't help...
It's obvious that the members we knew on RF, the first one registering and posting here are considered in a different way than the new ones..
That said, nothing against new members at all, but you can't pretend to tell us how to run JW, sorry.. just believe me when I say our decisions are aimed to the good wealth of the community...

We are not elitists because we like to keep ppl out of some special group or whatever...

I'm sorry to say that, but if you don't like our methods, we can't change just to make you feel at home...

gis

12-17-2003, 06:45 PM

give me a break.

then leave and stop complainin,we dont treat members badly its just annoyin after one person asks about vids that they get an answer another person will ask the same question and when the vids were available to most,the links got passed out and not on one occasion and which it was said more than once,DONT PASS THE LINKS OUTSIDE JW

12-17-2003, 06:48 PM

gis got a point.. sometimes we also reply over the lines (admins or members), because some questions or problems are taken out lot and lot of times and beeing humans we can also be tired..

I always try to be as fair as possible, and I never have bad feelings toward somebody I don't know, but when you have to answer 10 or 20 pissed off ppl via PM about the same problem, than find 10 topics about that and so on, you can maybe understand my feelings can be little modified...

godspeed06

12-17-2003, 09:45 PM

yea, i understand. it was just that i think my first impression of the boards could have been better. just a bad time i guess... plus, im kind of surprised that i didn't get flamed to hell after all of what i said, so either not many people have checked the thread or this place isn't as bad as i thought.

air_rjordan23

12-17-2003, 10:10 PM

so either not many people have checked the thread or this place isn't as bad as i thought.

the latter ;)

gis

12-17-2003, 10:13 PM

lol,this place isnt bad,not at all.i guess a lot of the core member TT was talkin about,we just get a little on edge when we see all of a sudden a bunch of new members then hundreds of new posts,i think we all know there are the odd few new members who are genuinly here for the forums and would like the videos if they are up as a bonus.i cant begin to understand how busy jabba,TT and fishfreek have been the past couple days about all this.

but i do apologise if u thought i was bein harsh with a couple replys earlier,i guess you do want to be involved witht he forums,and i apologise if i came off a little strong :D

PATo355

12-18-2003, 03:32 AM

Brembo got the point , we want more members of course , this is all about diversity of points of view , we get richers of knowledge discutting with more people .

But is not ok if someone gets here and post in 5 topics asking where are the videos , i always try to help the new members even if they request pictures of a common car , but spamming the site just would get that ppl get angry with the newbies that do that ... , you are coming into a community and you can read a little and find out how the things work , do not spam the topics . This is a lovely community , there are Core members obviously , most of them keep the forum alive , the point is stop bitching and if you dont like our community you can leave , try to find such nice people and such nice videos in another community ... i wish you luck doing it ...

geekdiggy

12-18-2003, 04:21 AM

I am a reader and not a poster. I have been on Rennlist for over 3 years and have just about 250 posts total and I check it everyday. Same goes for JW, I check this site nearly everyday, but I don't feel the need to comment on every post usually because by the time I have a comment, someone has already posted something similar and I don't see any need in posting the same thing.

this was actually the first type of cliche excuse i expected to see. i've been tapping into my psychic powers lately

haha, visit-based access. what a joker :lol:

geekdiggy

12-18-2003, 04:30 AM

you are the problem with this forum.

no but actually, people like me are what keep this forum afloat. we understand the rules, we understand how much work and time and money gets put into this site by the admins, and i think i have EVERY right to single out leechers, newbies, and/or postwhores. can you blame me for being annoyed with other members who suddenly start posting their ass off just to get vids? why should they get for free what we had to contribute for? people like that are the reason this site crashes, or overload the server til the video vault gets shot to shit. and if you've put as much contribution into this site as the some of the earlier members have, then you'd understand the frustration of having to deal with a wave of postwhoring vidsnatchers who make up excuses or complain when they don't get what they want. ok my earlier comment was directed more at uncovered leechers than new MEMBERS, but your aggressive comment toward me must've been triggered by a guilty conscience, which tells me something about what YOU had in mind when you first registered here.

so sure, call me an elitest, i feel quite comfortable on my high horse. but don't blame me if people start singling out newbies and/or leechers if things go haywire with the server

doyle

12-18-2003, 10:28 AM

this was actually the first type of cliche excuse i expected to see. i've been tapping into my psychic powers lately

Gee, you got me pegged huh?

The reality is that this is a relatively new site and it takes a while for people to find it. Top Gear/5th Gear videos are always popular and I would be willing to bet the a good majority of the people here have found their way following some sort of video link. Did I download some videos? Yes. Did I enjoy them? Yes. Does not being able to download them now stop me from visiting the forums? Obviously not.

The reality of the situation is that I do a lot of reading and listening and not too much posting or talking. You can call it a cliche, I call it what I do. I check JW from work and don't have a whole lot of time for typing and replying. If I feel I can truly add to a topic, then I will make the time, but if my reply is just a reiteration of another reply I won't take up the space and waste other readers time.

This is a lively forum and interesting to visit. I just hope it continues that way. Scepticism of new users is normal in any forum. People will prove themselves over time, but don't automatically assume that every new user has the time or ability to post meaningful responses to posts many times a day.

doyle

Ivanhoe

12-18-2003, 04:18 PM

ironic thing is they probably won't even read this thread :lol:

godspeed06

12-18-2003, 05:29 PM

but i do apologise if u thought i was bein harsh with a couple replys earlier,i guess you do want to be involved witht he forums,and i apologise if i came off a little strong

and i apologize for attacking everyone.

Jabba

12-18-2003, 06:08 PM

"who are you to judge our motives?

I am Jabba. I privately finance Jabbasworld in order to keep it advert, spam and membership free.

The downside of this is I guess that I have to set rules that I think are in the best interests of the entire community mainly based on server hardware limitations.

I am sorry that you do not like the way we run things here and I hope you eventually do find what you are looking for elsewhere if you wish to leave Jabbas World.

godspeed06

12-18-2003, 06:23 PM

ouch... looks like i just pissed off the man in charge. no, i wasn't attacking you personally, i meant "you" as in anyone who was judging. i don't want to leave jabbas world. if i wanted to leave why would i have signed up? i haven't even gotten a video from this site yet. i understand the need to set rules, i was just a little mad about the double edged sword thing. where if we did what we were supposed to do we got blasted for it. i know that this is probably the best way of doing this while still keeping the site free. and i hope sometime i will be able to experience all that the site has to offer while still participating in the threads.

Jabba

12-18-2003, 06:37 PM

We have upgraded the server many times to try and keep up with the level of demand. It was my intention to make all the videos available for all registered members to download for free and this was indeed the case for the first two weeks when we moved onto the new server. Although we were coping with the bandwidth (1 TB per month) the server resources were getting exhausted and causing the forums to crash.

Therefore if left like that then there would be no Jabbasworld at all. I am not sure what will be happening in the future but for now I'm afraid this is the way it has to be.

jakaracman

12-19-2003, 05:02 AM

I guess the problem is that most new (or "low post") members want everything, including D/L accees quick if not imediately. My post count isn't that high, been member for 1/2 year, had D/L access, lost it, got it back after a while, an over again. It's the way it works. You don't have to post a lot, not even every day. Sonner or later you notice that you are a regular on the forum. And the admins notice that, be sure.
So: take it easy, be patient and enjoy!

doyle

12-19-2003, 10:20 AM

Good Point jakaracman, patience always pays off in the end.

doyle

geekdiggy

12-21-2003, 07:09 PM