Senna its the Best pilot ever

[a007apl]

Senna Donington Park 1993 :
http://rapidshare.de/files/815554/GP_da_Europa_1993__Donington_Park__Volta_de_placa. wmv.html
Who made one lap equal Senna?

[stracing]

no one has.
the closest i remember was Schumacher vs Hill in 1995 at Spa

[yg60m]

One of the best lap I ever see !! It gives gooseflesh :wink:

[sameerrao]

This is easily one of the best first laps of all time from a dramatic perspective.

But F1 journos like Alan Henry and others rate Senna's best wet weather performance to be Estoril 1985 in a Lotus. No traction control then.

The 1993 car was very sophisticated with active ride, traction control and other driver aids. Also it was perfectly set up for the wet. Even so, Senna's mastery is plain to see.

[nthfinity]

This is easily one of the best first laps of all time from a dramatic perspective.

But F1 journos like Alan Henry and others rate Senna's best wet weather performance to be Estoril 1985 in a Lotus. No traction control then.

The 1993 car was very sophisticated with active ride, traction control and other driver aids. Also it was perfectly set up for the wet. Even so, Senna's mastery is plain to see.
lest we forget about another master of racing at that time in F1, Stefan Bellof... he proved his wet weather driving was perhaps even better then Senna's when they raced each other.

[SFDMALEX]

Senna sucks.

[Toronto]

This is easily one of the best first laps of all time from a dramatic perspective.

But F1 journos like Alan Henry and others rate Senna's best wet weather performance to be Estoril 1985 in a Lotus. No traction control then.

The 1993 car was very sophisticated with active ride, traction control and other driver aids. Also it was perfectly set up for the wet. Even so, Senna's mastery is plain to see.

or his first monaco race, where he would have won if prost didn't beg for the race to be cut short do to rain.

Senna sucks.

where is that ban button...

[yg60m]

or his first monaco race, where he would have won if prost didn't beg for the race to be cut short do to rain.



Not sure, Stefan Bellof was winning time on Senna when race was stopped, he could have been a great champion from what I read but died in a race at Spa ...

[nthfinity]

or his first monaco race, where he would have won if prost didn't beg for the race to be cut short do to rain.



Not sure, Stefan Bellof was winning time on Senna when race was stopped, he could have been a great champion from what I read but died in a race at Spa ...
i posted some 'little known' info here... a few posts down
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33617

[taygunho]

I think Senna is the best race driver ever. If he hadn't died he would dominate all champioships he raced. Schumi is a talented driver (I am a fan of him) but he is not best ever.

[Ford Capri 2.8i]

IMO, Ayrton Senna has been the most talented Formula 1 driver ever, as KKK has been for the rallying alongside Henry Toivonen; however, just to have some talent or potential is not enough to be the best driver ever; for instance, I dont think that he would have been capable of getting the ferrari F1 team as a world champion as MS did; on the other hand, I dont see Ayrton Senna being a World champion candidate if he was 38

Finally, the brazilians season before his dead was a bit bizarre since by Imola he didnt get any point considering that his car and team was theoretically the best

[kksh]

Best first lap ever by far!!!

I see alot of skeptics here. For the first races of the 94 season, the Williams Renault was not the best. They were like McLaren in 05.

True, he made a mistake in Brazil. Although the V8's the MS was running had an advantage because of the high altitude.

And he got bumped out of Aida by Hakkinen and Larini.

Schumacher is good. Better than most but not up to Senna's standards. Who else can beat one of the best drivers ever by over a sec a lap?

Schumacher's team building, work ethics are laudable but skill alone, no one beats Senna.

The greatest driver ever!

[SDK2003]

If you consider that in 1994 Damon Hill was only 1 point away from Schumacher and the championship then had Senna not tragically died he would have certainly have won that year.

I remember the Donnington Race like it was yesterday.

The post race press conference was funny. Prost was using a million excuses as to why he pitted 11 times and was lapped by Senna.
Senna dropped a comment in "maybe would swap cars" – classic

[sameerrao]

The best ever is a subjective question that reflects more on which drivers you have witnessed in person, TV or read about. No one has mentioned Jim Clark here, or Tazio Nuvolari or many other phenoms. That's because we weren't even born when they performed their magic. So your opinion on the best might change based on what you experience as you grow older.

In my OPINION the best 5 of all time are:
1. Tazio Nuvolari
2. J M Fangio
2. Ayrton Senna
2. Michael Schumacher
2. Rudi Caracciola

I place TN a clear first and the rest an equal second because they are/were all brilliantly fast, supremely gifted, had magic races where they beat a driver in a better car/ or better strategy. And importantly they won at the tracks where driving talent shines - Spa, Nurburgring (old), Suzuka, Monaco, Targa Florio, et al.

[nthfinity]

sorry, but Nuvolari has nothing on what Bellof was able to pull from his hat.... given the same cars, its hard to say if Fangio or Bellof would win in a season IMO

[sameerrao]

So what did Bellof pull off really - he did well in one race in Monaco and was reputed to be a future WDC in the making. But that doesnt make him a Nuvolari who pulled several giant killing feats in a career spanning 30 years winning championships in both bikes and cars.

With Bellof we are dwelling on what might be as he didnt stay in F1 long enough to leave a real mark. But the others I listed did leave their mark in F1 and GP history.

[nthfinity]

So what did Bellof pull off really - he did well in one race in Monaco and was reputed to be a future WDC in the making. But that doesnt make him a Nuvolari who pulled several giant killing feats in a career spanning 30 years winning championships in both bikes and cars.

With Bellof we are dwelling on what might be as he didnt stay in F1 long enough to leave a real mark. But the others I listed did leave their mark in F1 and GP history.
bellof wasn't just a GP driver... but the fastest group c driver as well... even past GP champs couldn't challenge him.

oh, and he did better in quite a few races... but the powers that be later disqualified the cars etc.

i do agree that he was destined to be a future grand prix world champion; but he already had tremendous racing success.

he set so many track records in his time... sure they are all smashed now (except of course 6:11 @ NS) but look at where we are 20+ years since then... his is a more exceptional challenge then saying that Zenardi is tallented, but had bad luck...

everwhere this guy went, his laptimes stunned the fastest drivers of the day, and the greatest teams of the day.

[antonioledesma]

ricardo rodriguez was your daddy.... any other driver sucks :mrgreen:

[sameerrao]

ricardo rodriguez was your daddy.... any other driver sucks :mrgreen:

I read a great article on Ricardo and Pedro Rodriguez. They said that Ricardo was the born genius with a natural feel and speed. Pedro took to racing as a hobby. He wasn't as good at it like his younger brother.

But then Ricardo started taking more and risks as he tried to force into wins and that led to his demise from pushing too hard too soon. Pedro later took racing more seriously and become a superb sports car pilot. He too got killed at the wheel.

[antonioledesma]

the rodriguez bros were excellent drivers, but had the unfortunate luck to die very young and almost no or good footage is available

[SFDMALEX]

Sorry to dissapoint you all but Schumaher is the best "driver" ever.

Fangio, Senna, they had charisma and personality and they were great drivers, but Schumaher is simply THE best "driver".

The guy is like a robot, he drives amazingly, adapts to different sitatuations fast and knows his car as well as his engineer.

He will never be the "peoples champion" he doesnt have the looks or the charisma, but from a pure driving and technical point of view he is the best we will ever see.

[nthfinity]

The guy is like a robot, he drives amazingly, adapts to different sitatuations fast and knows his car as well as his engineer.

im a big shumacher fan myself... for many reasons.

Malcom, the renault engineer i chatted with earlier this year had some very interesting things to say about michael.... for one, if he has a good top 3 car... he probobly will win this year.

two... no other driver now, or in the forseable future has the multitasking abilities of MS...
as you said, he is extremely knowlegable about his car... as much as many of the engineers making the cars for him. his multi-ligual skills are far above that of any of the current drivers. if he had live feeding telemetry to his car on a HUD... he would be able to interpret it into creating the ultimate lap for an entire race.... which he nearly does anyway ;)

malcom disagrees that MS seems robotic...
i would definately agree, particularly when comparing him against Kimi :lol:

[sameerrao]

That's your opinion and not a fact. :lol:

People can throw all the facts they want to re-assure themselves that driver X is the best...

But in the final analysis, comparing drivers from the 30s to today will never be an exact science and is just conjecture... Meaning your opinion is as valid or invalid as anyone else's