Finally, my first car! E36 320i *bad news update*

[stradale]

Hey guys! I just bought my very first car! :D It's a '92 320i (E36) with just 165,000 kms. For a 14 year old car it's in excellent condition. Some parts have been resprayed, like the bootlid (the badge is too close to the shutline), but it looks decent. The engine, the gearbox, the brakes, the steering, everything works perfectly. The previous owner is a mechanic, so he did all the small maintenance himself. Of the rest he had done by dealers over the years, he kept all the receipts. Beautiful. The guy was only the second owner and he had it for 11 years. It's a solid, original car and at the €2,500 I paid for it, it's a bargain. I like the fact that it's almost completely original. Too many E36s have been ruined by tasteless idiots. The indicators would look better in clear glass IMO, but unlike many people I won't be replacing just the front ones. If I'm going to do it, it has to be both front and rear.

Initially I was looking for an early E36 325i, but then a friend brought this car to my attention. The 325's I had seen so far were the best looking ones on the internet, but they were very disappointing in real life. I really wanted a good and reliable car, so I thought I'd check this one out anyway because it looked promising. This one had a proper service history and drove like a Beemer should. Then I decided I wasn't going to spend my money on a 325 that I had no confidence in and that I would rather spend it on a car that offered a lot of good six cylinder fun but lacked a couple of hp. Maybe I could have found a 325 that fit the profile, but then again, maybe not.

First things first: the custom shots.
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In these pictures, the car is rather dirty. I took a lot of B roads on my way to my parents. :P
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That's what I said, dirty...
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It's pretty basic in there. The only options on the car are an alarm with remote central locking, the towbar and the exhaust tip (pipe and muffler are standard). If I can find power windows at a good price I might install that myself. As for the rest, I probably won't change a thing.
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Right, so it needed a wash...
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My dad and I went looking for a good spot to take some pictures of the car. We succeeded, but unfortunately to get there we drove some filthy roads again. Nevertheless, it looked cleaner than before.
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Do I look proud, or what? :D
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[TT]

LOL, it's like watching my car, just different color and rims! hehe, you'll have much fun with it dude!

[stradale]

LOL, it's like watching my car, just different color and rims! hehe, you'll have much fun with it dude!

I was expecting you! :wink: I'm sure I will have lots of fun with it. The sound when you rev it up to 6,500 rpm... :drool: :twisted:

[ZfrkS62]

great choice stradale, congrats :D

The only thing i can tell you to look out for is the rear tail light assemblies where the sockets lock into contact strips. The brake light sockets will begin to heat up and melt and pit the contact strips. It will cause an intermittent "one brake light fail" or similar message in the check control. Also, if you get a "Brake Light Circuit" message, the brake light switch is bad.

Other than that i don't think you'll have many problems with her :D Enjoy your new car :D

[Stikz]

congrats on the new car stradale. Nice pics :D

[stradale]

great choice stradale, congrats :D

The only thing i can tell you to look out for is the rear tail light assemblies where the sockets lock into contact strips. The brake light sockets will begin to heat up and melt and pit the contact strips. It will cause an intermittent "one brake light fail" or similar message in the check control. Also, if you get a "Brake Light Circuit" message, the brake light switch is bad.

Other than that i don't think you'll have many problems with her :D Enjoy your new car :D

Thanks, Zfrk!

I did have a message about the brake lights in the check control, but they worked fine and check control is not. :lol: I heard it's prone to failure and I'm afraid mine is no exception.

[ARMAN]

Congrats Stradale!!! Beemers are timeless and beautiful :love: Dont know why but even with stock wheels they look terrific IMO :P

Nice pics also :) The "photoshoot" ones are :good: And yes, you look very proud :D

BTW thats just more oil into the fire :twisted: I am very seriosly thinking the whole last week selling lada and buying 318 e30 :oops: :silly:

[Zot09]

Congratulations on a nice Bimmer!

[ZfrkS62]

great choice stradale, congrats :D

The only thing i can tell you to look out for is the rear tail light assemblies where the sockets lock into contact strips. The brake light sockets will begin to heat up and melt and pit the contact strips. It will cause an intermittent "one brake light fail" or similar message in the check control. Also, if you get a "Brake Light Circuit" message, the brake light switch is bad.

Other than that i don't think you'll have many problems with her :D Enjoy your new car :D

Thanks, Zfrk!

I did have a message about the brake lights in the check control, but they worked fine and check control is not. :lol: I heard it's prone to failure and I'm afraid mine is no exception.

Check out the sockets very carefully. Sometimes it's hard to see where it's melting and pitting.

[stradale]

BTW thats just more oil into the fire :twisted: I am very seriosly thinking the whole last week selling lada and buying 318 e30 :silly:

I have never driven a Lada, but I think I can safely advise you to take the Beemer! :D Good luck hunting, ARMAN!

[stradale]

great choice stradale, congrats :D

The only thing i can tell you to look out for is the rear tail light assemblies where the sockets lock into contact strips. The brake light sockets will begin to heat up and melt and pit the contact strips. It will cause an intermittent "one brake light fail" or similar message in the check control. Also, if you get a "Brake Light Circuit" message, the brake light switch is bad.

Other than that i don't think you'll have many problems with her :D Enjoy your new car :D

Thanks, Zfrk!

I did have a message about the brake lights in the check control, but they worked fine and check control is not. :lol: I heard it's prone to failure and I'm afraid mine is no exception.

Check out the sockets very carefully. Sometimes it's hard to see where it's melting and pitting.

The brake lights work flawlessly, but I'm going to inspect them nevertheless. It's the check control that is failing. The warning light "check" lights up and the display of the check control referrs me to the manual.

[ZfrkS62]

it always refers you to the manual. If there is an E36 at work tomorrow, i will try and get a picture of the trouble spots for you.

[stradale]

it always refers you to the manual. If there is an E36 at work tomorrow, i will try and get a picture of the trouble spots for you.

Oh, OK. I have yet to read the manual anyway...

Those pictures would be greatly appreciated, Zfrk! Thanks in advance!

[dingo]

Nice buy, looks great and it seems you got a very good price. :D

Have fun!

[gis]

Nice ride made,congrats on the purchase,im sure you will have some fun with the RWD lol :D

[gucom]

congratz m8 :D this series of BMW's is still pretty nice imo, after that they really started looking like fat pigs...but a nice car :D

[yg60m]

Congrats stradale, nice choice :D

[stradale]

Thanks for the comments! I just drove it to work and it's so much better a means of transportation than the cramped local train (with some moronic locals on board every time) and the bus (littered with school kids), which I used to take to get here. Plus, it's 30 minutes faster.

@ Dani: No mods planned. When I look around at other E36s, it's almost like it's one of the few to look original. Besides, I like the wheels. Somehow they don't really come across in pictures, but in reality they look nice. I'm not going to change the muffler either. The engine sounds great as it is. If I want to hear more of it, I'd rather change the intake than the exhaust.

[Shinigami]

Drive safe! :)

[TT]

great choice stradale, congrats :D

The only thing i can tell you to look out for is the rear tail light assemblies where the sockets lock into contact strips. The brake light sockets will begin to heat up and melt and pit the contact strips. It will cause an intermittent "one brake light fail" or similar message in the check control. Also, if you get a "Brake Light Circuit" message, the brake light switch is bad.

Other than that i don't think you'll have many problems with her :D Enjoy your new car :D

Thanks, Zfrk!

I did have a message about the brake lights in the check control, but they worked fine and check control is not. :lol: I heard it's prone to failure and I'm afraid mine is no exception.

I always have that message too :D

[MIHALS]

congrats stradale!!! nice car, looking like new, non-riced :D what else you can wish...?

I definitelly want to buy a BMW one day, so maybe an e36 will be the choice together with e39. I have some experience on the snow with rwd and can't wait to have some more :D

take care of your new baby!!!

[redbaron]

Congratulations Stradale, good looking car especially for that money.

I checked ou some 320i's myself and as you said, almost all of them are rised M3 wannabees or worse. This one looks really good, I agree with clear indicator lights at the front do look better. For this car however I think you will start to ruin the original look.

Have fun with it!!

[1zippo1]

Congrats!!! That's a real car enthousiast choice.

It seems to be in good state and the E36 styling is one that ages well IMO. I even think the status of the E36 is actually getting better because you don't see them around that often as before.

Enjoy it!!

[stradale]

For your indicators & rear lights, www.offenga.nl I have some good experience with them and they're not expensive...

LOL! A friend of mine goes there for maintenance of his E34. Franeker is the place I grew up in, before I went to university. My parents live a stone's throw away from where Offenga is situated! Funny for it to be recommended by someone from Belgium then. :D

I haven't decided yet on what I am or am not going to change. First, I'll take care of the small spots of rust. Then we'll see. In any case, it's not going to be radical or out of the ordinary.

BTW, the car's dirty as hell again! :P

[bmwmpower]

nice car,thanks for pics

[stradale]

great choice stradale, congrats :D

The only thing i can tell you to look out for is the rear tail light assemblies where the sockets lock into contact strips. The brake light sockets will begin to heat up and melt and pit the contact strips. It will cause an intermittent "one brake light fail" or similar message in the check control. Also, if you get a "Brake Light Circuit" message, the brake light switch is bad.

Other than that i don't think you'll have many problems with her :D Enjoy your new car :D

Thanks, Zfrk!

I did have a message about the brake lights in the check control, but they worked fine and check control is not. :lol: I heard it's prone to failure and I'm afraid mine is no exception.

I always have that message too :D

LOL They really are alike, your Beemer and mine. :D

I paid better attention today and it says "checkcontrol inaktiv". It's inactive, but somehow it knows it is and tells you that. The longer you think about it, it makes less and less sense. :lol:

[stradale]

This one looks really good, I agree with clear indicator lights at the front do look better. For this car however I think you will start to ruin the original look.


That's exactly how I look at it. I don't know what it's going to be. Anyway, if I do decide to replace them, I'll keep the original ones with the car. Same with the steering wheel and so on.

[fireguy]

congrats! - i have a '95 320i (black on black) and you'll love taking on twisty roads with this car.........my car seems to get "smaller" and more agile the harder i push it through a bend :) good choice!

[sikx5]

Great looking ride dude, Car looks super clean. I bought my bro a set of clear lights for his E36 also, check out eBay :good:

[Wutputt]

Your first car is always something special. Enjoy it as much as you can :)

[stradale]

Your first car is always something special. Enjoy it as much as you can :)

I am. :D This afternoon I took her for a spin again. I know some great twisty roads over here and found some new ones as well. It's just a couple of degrees above 0, slightly damp and I don't have winter tyres, so I was keeping it down a little, but I had great fun!

[ae86_16v]

Congratulations on your CAR!!! Having owned two of these, they are definitely great cars! Although I always hated the fact that BMW went a bit cheaper in the material with the E36 series. Nevertheless they are awesome cars to drive.

Best part is that a lot of the parts are interchangable with the M series, so that is always an upgrade route.

Keep it clean looking! I don't want to see any 5' spoilers on there ;) .

[ae86_16v]

great choice stradale, congrats :D

The only thing i can tell you to look out for is the rear tail light assemblies where the sockets lock into contact strips. The brake light sockets will begin to heat up and melt and pit the contact strips. It will cause an intermittent "one brake light fail" or similar message in the check control. Also, if you get a "Brake Light Circuit" message, the brake light switch is bad.

Other than that i don't think you'll have many problems with her :D Enjoy your new car :D

Thanks, Zfrk!

I did have a message about the brake lights in the check control, but they worked fine and check control is not. :lol: I heard it's prone to failure and I'm afraid mine is no exception.

I always have that message too :D

Yup, my M3's just failed the other day! Luckly it is just the right driving lamp and not the brake lamp. The contact just fell off completely and now I am holding it down with some electrical tape. Should I just resolder a new contact or buy a new lamp? OE lamps aren't that expensive.

[stradale]

Thanks, ae86! I enjoy driving it every day.


Keep it clean looking! I don't want to see any 5' spoilers on there ;) .

Will do, captain! :D

[freddiefish]

mooie auto

[Garretts_turbo]

congrats! my brother just bought a 325i....very nice car

[stradale]

Thanks for your responses!

Nice car Stradale, Im sure she will threat you nice, and just dont bother with the christmas three warning lights that pop up on them its a part of what they are...

But I would considered clear indicator on it as the orange ones stand out to much on such a bright coloured car IMO.....

Maybe you will take a vacation around my neck of the woods in the future in this little baby, and not your friends....I`ll keep some beers cool for you... :wink:

I'm still in doubt on the indicator issue. On the one hand clear lights look better, on the other hand I like the original look. Fog lights might be higher on my priority list.

I'd really like to take it on holiday this summer. Driving some more exciting roads than we have in my country with this car, would be great. After reading your recommendations on where to go in Norway for my friends last year, I really wanted to go myself. In my current job situation it's a little hard to look ahead for six months, but if everything's under control I might head north in the summer (south is too hot for me anyway). In that case I'll gladly hold you those cold beers, brembo!

[ae86_16v]

I'm still in doubt on the indicator issue. On the one hand clear lights look better, on the other hand I like the original look. Fog lights might be higher on my priority list.


I like the E36 Foglights, they light up the road fairly good in detrimental weather.

I always liked the amber signal lamps, but I know I am in the minority. On certain cars clears definitely work better. But for me it is more about contrast.

Light colored cars, I would keep the ambers to contrast better. On dark colored cars, definitely go with the clears. On a silver or gray, it is kind of in between.

[ZfrkS62]

i've got the pics of the problm areas of the tail lights. I just need to run it through photoshop and then post them

[stradale]

Great! Thanks a lot for the effort. :D

[ZfrkS62]

ok here we go. The socket, for clarity purposes is off an X5. The tail lamp assembly is from an E38 but the E36 is the same setup.

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Sorry for the cloudy pics. I was using my shitty camera.

[stradale]

Thanks a bunch, Zfrk!

Tomorrow I'm planning on dealing provisionally with a slightly corroded scratch. I'll check out the sockets and contacts as well. Now I know what to look for.

BTW, the pictures are clear enough for me.

:good:

[stradale]

I finally had a chance to check my rear lights today and they look fine. No scoring or burn marks. :D Good to know. Thanks again for the pointers, Zfrk!

Last week I had great fun with the car! I headed home after a birthday party and a couple of centimeters of snow had fallen in the meantime. It was 1.30 AM and no one was cleaning the roads. Since I have no winter tyres and no traction control, I very carefully made my way to Groningen. But instead of going home I went to a deserted industrial estate with nice broad streets and kerbs far away. The snowy surface had hardly been touched so I had a lot of sideways fun there!!! :D In second gear, with 2,000 rpm a prod on the throttle will already spin the rear wheels and bring the back end out to play! It was soooooo nice and easily controllable. I was even more pleased with her than I already was! :D

[stradale]

I took her to Germany this morning to have a go at establishing her top speed.

See http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?p=637068#637068

From 160/170 to 200 she pulls pretty well. Beyond that, acceleration is considerably less.

[cooperluke]

I've got a friend of mine that as one just like yours and at 220km/h the rev limiter kicks in, but if it had a 6th gear, it would go a few km/h faster... lot's of strength!!

[stradale]

That's impressive for 320i with 175K km on the clock! :shock:

If you take a look at the E36 bimmers around my place... I bet most of them can't go faster than 180kmh without falling into pieces :P :roll:

Provided it's had all the care it needs and has been warmed up properly before flooring it, I'm told these engines are nearly indestructable. So there still must be enough of them around that can do the same. In theory it should be able to manage 220+ on the speedo. I really want to witness that someday.

I've got a friend of mine that as one just like yours and at 220km/h the rev limiter kicks in, but if it had a 6th gear, it would go a few km/h faster... lot's of strength!!

I agree. Above 4.000 rpm it's remarkably powerful for an engine with just 150 hp.

[Erez]

congrats man! E36's are GREAT cars! drive safe.. and i'm sure you'll have fun :wink:

[stradale]

Bad news....

Yesterday after work I returned to my car and saw that the strip on the right rear door had come loose. As I came closer I noticed it was because someone had managed to dent it pretty badly. Of course the culprit hasn't revealed his identity. I don't even know when and where it happened exactly. You just don't see the right rear side when you step into your car. All I know is it must have happenend somewhere between tuesday evening and friday afternoon, at home or at work. I hate it when other people aren't as careful with your belongings as you are yourself and aren't man enough to confess! Fucking idiots! I'll upload some pics later.

[TT]

Dang, that sucks!

[MartijnGizmo]

Bad news....

Yesterday after work I returned to my car and saw that the strip on the right rear door had come loose. As I came closer I noticed it was because someone had managed to dent it pretty badly. Of course the culprit hasn't revealed his identity. I don't even know when and where it happened exactly. You just don't see the right rear side when you step into your car. All I know is it must have happenend somewhere between tuesday evening and friday afternoon, at home or at work. I hate it when other people aren't as careful with your belongings as you are yourself and aren't man enough to confess! Fucking idiots! I'll upload some pics later.

There's a "waarborgfonds" for issues like that, where the suspect fled the scene. You might have a look into it: http://www.wbf.nl/

[stradale]

There's a "waarborgfonds" for issues like that, where the suspect fled the scene. You might have a look into it: http://www.wbf.nl/

Indeed. I have already requested the forms. Opposed to when the insurance of the culprit could be made to pay for the damage, they don't cover all damage. The first 136 euros are to be covered by me. Still, better than everything.

I'm also going to the police station and ask around with the neighbours if one of them saw something.

[stradale]

The pics

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When I look at it in the pics, it's not that bad. But when you stand next to it and see the reflection of light on the door, it's horrible.

[ARMAN]

Oh man Stradale that sux :( I hope fixing in some garage-shop will not be that expensive :wink:

[Erez]

thats sucks.. but doesnt look so bad.. could have been worse..
...BTW- my guess is some chick trying to park..

[TT]

BTW, not sure if it will make you feel better, but the other day something similar happened to my 320. Somebody hit it with God knows why, in the lower part of the passenger front door. There is a 2 cm wide and 1 cm high dent where picture just went away and the plastic stripe in the mid of the rear door was moved forward 3 or 4 cm ence detached from its "rail"...

The dent will rust for sure if nothing is done, and IMO my car starts to be too crappy to spend lot of money for such jobs :?

[Pehtren]

Stradale thats really bad news, but it could be worst, did you figured out what have coused it.


The dent will rust for sure if nothing is done, and IMO my car starts to be too crappy to spend lot of money for such jobs :?

That means that you're thinking in a new car??

BMW E36 M3 :P

[Erez]

That means that you're thinking in a new car??

BMW E36 M3 :P

8)

[TT]

..

That means that you're thinking in a new car??

Well, not really for tomorrow maybe, but I am already in the phase where you don't want to invest any more money in your car :bah:

[stradale]

BTW, not sure if it will make you feel better, but the other day something similar happened to my 320. Somebody hit it with God knows why, in the lower part of the passenger front door. There is a 2 cm wide and 1 cm high dent where picture just went away and the plastic stripe in the mid of the rear door was moved forward 3 or 4 cm ence detached from its "rail"...

The dent will rust for sure if nothing is done, and IMO my car starts to be too crappy to spend lot of money for such jobs :?

Don't you hate it when that happens? To be honest, that fact that your car was also damaged doesn't make me feel better. :(

I will try to buff it out myself first, but the scratches need to be dealt with as well. Like you said, it will rustif I don't. The car's got two other damaged spots that I want to have sorted out. Although the car's not worth a great deal, I do want to have it repaired to at least maintain value as I expect to hold on to it for a while. Once rust seriously commences, it's not long before the whole door looks like shit.

I'm curious too. What are you thinking about replacing the 320i with?

[TT]

Yes, I hate it even if my car isn't really in perfect shape :(

As for the new car, well, when it will happen, hopefully soon, I am aiming at either a full black Mini Cooper S (Works possibly), either a full black Alfa 159, but might change my mind once closer to the decision

[stradale]

Either one would make a very nice choice!

[Erez]

the 159 is to die for! :love: :love: :love: but it takes some balls.. :wink: are yours big enough TT :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

[Pehtren]

Yes the black 159 would look sweet as hell, and a 2.2l JTS :P ...to die for
But the mini and a works, that would be a really fast pocket rocket :twisted:

[Pehtren]

Komotar knows :wink:

[TT]

Not wanting to hijack the topic, but the 159, either 3.2 V6 either nothing ;)

[Erez]

8) damn straight 8)
unlike that SIN in that 5th gear ep with the brera DIESEL! nothing is as wrong as that! its like eating the best steak ever, and then putting catsup all over it..

..keep up updated TT ;)

[TT]

I testdrove the 2.2 JTDM in the 159 and yes, it's a brillant engine: no noise, no vibration and quite powerfull, but doesn't matter.. that italian lady has to be powered by the brillant V6 (which I tested in the Brera and found a bit relaxed maybe, but damn good)

And now I promise, no more OT

[Pehtren]

The 3.2 V6 is so damn exspenssive, at least here :roll:

I would go for the mini JCW :twisted:




Oh......and Erez where is your cute bunny :lol: No more OT from me too :wink:

[stradale]

Good, because I was just about to tell you guys to sod off to some other topic, no matter how much I love Alfas... :P