2007 911 Turbo (997) Car&Driver

[coochas]

OK Folks,...here it is, the first test drive!
Quickie article from C&D.
Enjoy....
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[blinkmeat]

I'm determined to buy a 996 turbo within the year - but this one looks fantastic too - hmm :?

[gobs3z]

Thanks coochas, been waiting awhile for this.

[bmagni]

hmm, looks like hmmm
let me see..
oh yeah, the 996 turbo

[5vz-fe]

"As long as you keep the front wheels pointed in the correct direction, the system will ultimately save even a clumsy driver" .... that's quite a bold statement for a DSC

The car definitely looks better the the 996 TT, can't wait to see video reviews of it. Some great read, thanks coochas

[Zot09]

Thanks Coochas!

[godspeed06]

so expensive and soooo heavy.

[coloradosilver]

3400 lbs? Forget that!

[ae86_16v]

so expensive and soooo heavy.

^What are you talking about? It is lighter and faster than the old one. Plus it is a bargain compared to the other exotics.

OverBoost @ 20.9 psi :D

[skituner]

was there ever an offical press release by porsche??

[FPVPSI]

so expensive and soooo heavy.

^What are you talking about? It is lighter and faster than the old one. Plus it is a bargain compared to the other exotics.

OverBoost @ 20.9 psi :D

Cheaper yes, but the new Z06 is way cheaper with similar performance... :wink:

I don't know i love Porsche, but they just don't get my blood rushing... :? ... I would have to drive both this and the new z to ultimatly decide which i would take, but off paper value, gimme the Z06

[ae86_16v]

so expensive and soooo heavy.

^What are you talking about? It is lighter and faster than the old one. Plus it is a bargain compared to the other exotics.

OverBoost @ 20.9 psi :D

Cheaper yes, but the new Z06 is way cheaper with similar performance... :wink:

I don't know i love Porsche, but they just don't get my blood rushing... :? ... I would have to drive both this and the new z to ultimatly decide which i would take, but off paper value, gimme the Z06

Wait, RC45 is that you?!?! Did you change your Screen name? :D

[cooperluke]

Here we go again... the legend is back, stronger than ever!!! :D

[dutchmasterflex]

great article.. nice to hear some news about the 997 Turbo.. there really hasn't been much info other than the variable turbo and some spy pics.

thanks chocha

[adamwich]

Thanks for the scans! :D

[godspeed06]

i am surprised with the large increase in hp and torque... thats great. but it still has the engine ass backwards, has four-wheel drive, and is a PIG... im sorry, but 3400 pounds is A LOT. you may point out that lamborghinis/ whatever are heavier, but that doesnt change the fact that its still HEAVY. youre simply naming more HEAVY cars....

[5vz-fe]

i am surprised with the large increase in hp and torque... thats great. but it still has the engine ass backwards, has four-wheel drive, and is a PIG... im sorry, but 3400 pounds is A LOT. you may point out that lamborghinis/ whatever are heavier, but that doesnt change the fact that its still HEAVY. youre simply naming more HEAVY cars....

I could understand the weight, but now u are trashing the rear engine and 4WD? Porsche has perfected the rear engine layout, just look at the Nurb. times. The 911 TT as said in the article are not meant to be road version race cars, GT2, GT3 will take care of that end of the deal.

[gucom]

thanks coochas :D its great to finally read some new info about the 997 turbo

[RC45]

i am surprised with the large increase in hp and torque... thats great. but it still has the engine ass backwards, has four-wheel drive, and is a PIG... im sorry, but 3400 pounds is A LOT. you may point out that lamborghinis/ whatever are heavier, but that doesnt change the fact that its still HEAVY. youre simply naming more HEAVY cars....

I could understand the weight, but now u are trashing the rear engine and 4WD? Porsche has perfected the rear engine layout, just look at the Nurb. times. The 911 TT as said in the article are not meant to be road version race cars, GT2, GT3 will take care of that end of the deal.

SO you would need to buy 3 911's to be all-things for you... but only on C6 Z06? :P

Interesting concept.. ;)

[ARMAN]

Thanx Coochas :P

[5vz-fe]

i am surprised with the large increase in hp and torque... thats great. but it still has the engine ass backwards, has four-wheel drive, and is a PIG... im sorry, but 3400 pounds is A LOT. you may point out that lamborghinis/ whatever are heavier, but that doesnt change the fact that its still HEAVY. youre simply naming more HEAVY cars....

I could understand the weight, but now u are trashing the rear engine and 4WD? Porsche has perfected the rear engine layout, just look at the Nurb. times. The 911 TT as said in the article are not meant to be road version race cars, GT2, GT3 will take care of that end of the deal.

SO you would need to buy 3 911's to be all-things for you... but only on C6 Z06? :P

Interesting concept.. ;)

LOL!! Did I mention about the better interior of the TT :P~
Oh well, u gotta admit, 4WD does comes in handy in tricky condition. I am sure there are Z06 owners out there who also own a 911 TT.

[coloradosilver]

i am surprised with the large increase in hp and torque... thats great. but it still has the engine ass backwards, has four-wheel drive, and is a PIG... im sorry, but 3400 pounds is A LOT. you may point out that lamborghinis/ whatever are heavier, but that doesnt change the fact that its still HEAVY. youre simply naming more HEAVY cars....

I could understand the weight, but now u are trashing the rear engine and 4WD? Porsche has perfected the rear engine layout, just look at the Nurb. times. The 911 TT as said in the article are not meant to be road version race cars, GT2, GT3 will take care of that end of the deal.

SO you would need to buy 3 911's to be all-things for you... but only on C6 Z06? :P

Interesting concept.. ;)

LOL!! Did I mention about the better interior of the TT :P~
Oh well, u gotta admit, 4WD does comes in handy in tricky condition. I am sure there are Z06 owners out there who also own a 911 TT.

Maybe, but not this one. It's nearly 300lbs heavier than the Z06 and has about 30 less horsepower. Sure it's AWD, but for a price thats 2x that of a Z06, you'd think they could get the weight down a bit. I'm sure that the build quality is also better than the Z06, but once again, it just isn't worth the extra $70,000. You're really paying for the Porsche name here, not the car itself.

[1zippo1]

Maybe, but not this one. It's nearly 300lbs heavier than the Z06 and has about 30 less horsepower. Sure it's AWD, but for a price thats 2x that of a Z06, you'd think they could get the weight down a bit. I'm sure that the build quality is also better than the Z06, but once again, it just isn't worth the extra $70,000. You're really paying for the Porsche name here, not the car itself.

Ok but you might be missing an important piece of the puzzle. A Z06 might have a better power to weight, which is really important of course. But is it the best car just because of that? There are some other factors so consider, the feel of the controls (pedals, gearshit, steering) the handling, ... And lets not forget the Porsche pedigree.

The Z06 is a mighty machine, but as a car considering the whole package I doubt it can match the 997TT.

BTW, I'm looking forward to the commoting a 997TT vs Z06 article could cause!!! :D

[coloradosilver]

Maybe, but not this one. It's nearly 300lbs heavier than the Z06 and has about 30 less horsepower. Sure it's AWD, but for a price thats 2x that of a Z06, you'd think they could get the weight down a bit. I'm sure that the build quality is also better than the Z06, but once again, it just isn't worth the extra $70,000. You're really paying for the Porsche name here, not the car itself.

Ok but you might be missing an important piece of the puzzle. A Z06 might have a better power to weight, which is really important of course. But is it the best car just because of that? There are some other factors so consider, the feel of the controls (pedals, gearshit, steering) the handling, ... And lets not forget the Porsche pedigree.

The Z06 is a mighty machine, but as a car considering the whole package I doubt it can match the 997TT.

BTW, I'm looking forward to the commoting a 997TT vs Z06 article could cause!!! :D

I don't think that the feel of the controls and the handling could be that much better then the Z06 to warranta $70,000 prics difference. Like I said, the porsche may be better in some of these areas, for the price of the thing, you're paying for the name, not the car.

Here's something else to look at: The base price (MSRP) of a 911 4S is about $85,000. That means for a turbo, some suspension tweaks, minimal body work you're paying an additional $45,000 for the Turbo. If thats not a rip off, I don't know what is. The difference is 120 hp and a gain of 148lbs over the standard Carrera 4S.

A base C6 vcorvette runs about $44,000. For the upgrade to the Z06, which includes almost the exact same mods as the Porsche Turbo, it's a $23,000 difference. The difference is 105 hp and a loss of about 100 lbs over the standard corvette.

If you just look at the numbers, Porsche (Turbo) is a rip off.

[gangajas]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

[coloradosilver]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

[gangajas]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

[godspeed06]

i am surprised with the large increase in hp and torque... thats great. but it still has the engine ass backwards, has four-wheel drive, and is a PIG... im sorry, but 3400 pounds is A LOT. you may point out that lamborghinis/ whatever are heavier, but that doesnt change the fact that its still HEAVY. youre simply naming more HEAVY cars....

I could understand the weight, but now u are trashing the rear engine and 4WD? Porsche has perfected the rear engine layout, just look at the Nurb. times. The 911 TT as said in the article are not meant to be road version race cars, GT2, GT3 will take care of that end of the deal.

first of all, porsche hasnt perfected anything. thats just ignorant. they may make a competitive sportscar with a retarded design which they have brilliantly made comparable to better overall designs, but they certainly havent perfected anything. second of all, the nurb ring times are beat by a daily driver which costs 60k less... again, not so impressive. third of all, youre paying a LOT of money for a SPORTSCAR which isnt meant to be "race[d]"... what are u supposed to do with it then, sit around and circle jerk in the office with all your other porsche owning buddies?

[RC45]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

OK - then what would YOU compare to the 997 911 TT?

Let's hear it?

[gangajas]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

OK - then what would YOU compare to the 997 911 TT?

Let's hear it?

Why do you have to compare it against any car? I'm sure that 997TT buyers won't have the necessity of comparing their car against everything, an obssesion that some Corvette owners seem to have. :roll: :roll:

[Toronto]

4-wheel-drive?
i thought they said they didn't need it?

[5vz-fe]

i am surprised with the large increase in hp and torque... thats great. but it still has the engine ass backwards, has four-wheel drive, and is a PIG... im sorry, but 3400 pounds is A LOT. you may point out that lamborghinis/ whatever are heavier, but that doesnt change the fact that its still HEAVY. youre simply naming more HEAVY cars....

I could understand the weight, but now u are trashing the rear engine and 4WD? Porsche has perfected the rear engine layout, just look at the Nurb. times. The 911 TT as said in the article are not meant to be road version race cars, GT2, GT3 will take care of that end of the deal.

first of all, porsche hasnt perfected anything. thats just ignorant. they may make a competitive sportscar with a retarded design which they have brilliantly made comparable to better overall designs, but they certainly havent perfected anything.

I think you should read what you just typed :wink:

second of all, the nurb ring times are beat by a daily driver which costs 60k less...

Not all ppl who wants a reliable car should buy a Carmy. Some ppl might afford to sacrifice a ted reliability for looks, luxury....etc. Same goes for Vette vs Porsche. There's no doubt about the bang for the buck about corvette, but a 911 is unique the way it is.....the sound of a flat 6, the characteristic of a rear engine setup, its brakes, its looks..... 60k is just ur value in things, I am sure alot of ppl think 60k for all that is well worthed...


third of all, youre paying a LOT of money for a SPORTSCAR which isnt meant to be "race[d]"... what are u supposed to do with it then, sit around and circle jerk in the office with all your other porsche owning buddies?

I think the term u are looking for is sports GT.

[RC45]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

OK - then what would YOU compare to the 997 911 TT?

Let's hear it?

Why do you have to compare it against any car? I'm sure that 997TT buyers won't have the necessity of comparing their car against everything, an obssesion that some Corvette owners seem to have. :roll: :roll:

Probably one of 2 or 3 of the most foolish comments ever posted on JW.

WHy do you compare it against any car???

Uhm - because that's what you do to evaluate and determine how good something is.

Compare it.

That is the basis for ALL motorsports.

Compare 2 or more cars/drivers and see which/who is best.

It has sweet fucking blowall to do with "Corvettes" to compare cars. It is also the basis for any car test "How well does it do ---- vs the competition".

So again - against which car would best compare the 997 911 TT?

[godspeed06]

sweet fucking blowall

haha, ive never heard that before, but i must say that i kind of like it.

[gangajas]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

OK - then what would YOU compare to the 997 911 TT?

Let's hear it?

Why do you have to compare it against any car? I'm sure that 997TT buyers won't have the necessity of comparing their car against everything, an obssesion that some Corvette owners seem to have. :roll: :roll:

Probably one of 2 or 3 of the most foolish comments ever posted on JW.

WHy do you compare it against any car???

Uhm - because that's what you do to evaluate and determine how good something is.

Compare it.

That is the basis for ALL motorsports.

Compare 2 or more cars/drivers and see which/who is best.

It has sweet fucking blowall to do with "Corvettes" to compare cars. It is also the basis for any car test "How well does it do ---- vs the competition".

So again - against which car would best compare the 997 911 TT?

¬¬ Against a car like the Gallardo MY '06 altough is not the same thing.

The Z06 has a plastic bodywork, plastic interior, its unrefined power only goes through the rear wheels so it would be left to dead by a TT or a Gallardo in a winding road. Its owner is going to be much happier than guys like you, who has an obssesion with his car and is not happy if he doesn't compare his car against everything (something that it is pathetic, believe me). Oh, and obviously he doesn't mind if the Porsche costs 2 or 3 times most than a Corvette, because he wastes his money in whatever he wants.

[coloradosilver]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

OK - then what would YOU compare to the 997 911 TT?

Let's hear it?

Why do you have to compare it against any car? I'm sure that 997TT buyers won't have the necessity of comparing their car against everything, an obssesion that some Corvette owners seem to have. :roll: :roll:

Probably one of 2 or 3 of the most foolish comments ever posted on JW.

WHy do you compare it against any car???

Uhm - because that's what you do to evaluate and determine how good something is.

Compare it.

That is the basis for ALL motorsports.

Compare 2 or more cars/drivers and see which/who is best.

It has sweet fucking blowall to do with "Corvettes" to compare cars. It is also the basis for any car test "How well does it do ---- vs the competition".

So again - against which car would best compare the 997 911 TT?

¬¬ Against a car like the Gallardo MY '06 altough is not the same thing.

The Z06 has a plastic bodywork, plastic interior, its unrefined power only goes through the rear wheels so it would be left to dead by a TT or a Gallardo in a winding road. Its owner is going to be much happier than guys like you, who has an obssesion with his car and is not happy if he doesn't compare his car against everything (something that it is pathetic, believe me). Oh, and obviously he doesn't mind if the Porsche costs 2 or 3 times most than a Corvette, because he wastes his money in whatever he wants.

Thats funny, there was a vid here a few weeks ago of a bone stock Z06 beating a modded Gallardo. So that argument goes right out the window because that comparo has been made, and the Z won.

Next, the body of a Z06 is not plastic, it's fiberglass and carbon fiber. Do your research and then post.

You yourself say that the owner of the porsche doesn't care about the additional cost because he has money to waste. Thats the point of the argument here, the porsche is a waste of money, just like you have said yourself.

Any other pointless unfounded and unresearched arguments you care to make?

[gangajas]

Thats the point of the argument here, the porsche is a waste of money, just like you have said yourself.


You haven't understood anything..... :roll: :roll:

It's always the same with some Corvette owners or fans. :roll:


they just pay for that extra. Poser? yes... may be


I think it is just that they love those cars. Why would they have to buy a Corvette instead of their favourite car?

[RC45]

Thats the point of the argument here, the porsche is a waste of money, just like you have said yourself.


You haven't understood anything..... :roll: :roll:

It's always the same with some Corvette owners or fans. :roll:


they just pay for that extra. Poser? yes... may be


I think it is just that they love those cars. Why would they have to buy a Corvette instead of their favourite car?

Again you totally miss the point.. ;)

Yousay the only car to compare to the 997 911TT is the Gallardo...??? Funny - Porsche don't think so...

SO again - what other cars would youthink are valid comparisons to the 997TT??

And what would you say are good comparison points?

Speed, price, braking, slalom, track, racing history, racing wins, price, weight, size, acceleration?

And remember - no Corvette comparisons allowed :roll: -- but please enlighten us and indicate what other cars are fair coparison to the 997TT?

[godspeed06]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

OK - then what would YOU compare to the 997 911 TT?

Let's hear it?

Why do you have to compare it against any car? I'm sure that 997TT buyers won't have the necessity of comparing their car against everything, an obssesion that some Corvette owners seem to have. :roll: :roll:

Probably one of 2 or 3 of the most foolish comments ever posted on JW.

WHy do you compare it against any car???

Uhm - because that's what you do to evaluate and determine how good something is.

Compare it.

That is the basis for ALL motorsports.

Compare 2 or more cars/drivers and see which/who is best.

It has sweet fucking blowall to do with "Corvettes" to compare cars. It is also the basis for any car test "How well does it do ---- vs the competition".

So again - against which car would best compare the 997 911 TT?

¬¬ Against a car like the Gallardo MY '06 altough is not the same thing.

The Z06 has a plastic bodywork, plastic interior, its unrefined power only goes through the rear wheels so it would be left to dead by a TT or a Gallardo in a winding road. Its owner is going to be much happier than guys like you, who has an obssesion with his car and is not happy if he doesn't compare his car against everything (something that it is pathetic, believe me). Oh, and obviously he doesn't mind if the Porsche costs 2 or 3 times most than a Corvette, because he wastes his money in whatever he wants.

this is such a ridiculous post i dont even know where to start...

1) plastic bodywork- ummm no. plastic interior - yes, parts, but the porsche also has plastic pieces - if you want to argue over the "luxury" of certain plastics, led me know so i can just ignore such a retarded discussion

2) unrefined - you seriously just called an engine as advanced, most likely extremely reliable, and powerful as the LS7 "unrefined"... what is this based on... the stereotypes of it being a chevy, push-rod, big thunking american v8? bc those have all been defeated many times on these boards.

3) power goes to the rear wheels so it will be left in the dust - are u actually trying to say that bc a car doesnt have four wheel drive it therefore cant handle and will be left by others in the twisties??? thats just flat out so stupid i dont even need to respond to it.

4) gallardo owners are happier - thats pretty subjective dont you think? im sure many corvette owners are just as happy...

5) he wastes his money on whatever he wants - thats also a pretty inane hasty generalization of a porsche owner, but if thats how you want to describe them, then let me be the first to say that they sound like complete douchebags... much like yourself. :wink:

ps. are you really 36 years old? because damn...

[gangajas]

Thats the point of the argument here, the porsche is a waste of money, just like you have said yourself.


You haven't understood anything..... :roll: :roll:

It's always the same with some Corvette owners or fans. :roll:


they just pay for that extra. Poser? yes... may be


I think it is just that they love those cars. Why would they have to buy a Corvette instead of their favourite car?

Again you totally miss the point.. ;)

Yousay the only car to compare to the 997 911TT is the Gallardo...??? Funny - Porsche don't think so...

SO again - what other cars would youthink are valid comparisons to the 997TT??

And what would you say are good comparison points?

Speed, price, braking, slalom, track, racing history, racing wins, price, weight, size, acceleration?

And remember - no Corvette comparisons allowed :roll: -- but please enlighten us and indicate what other cars are fair coparison to the 997TT?

Well, I'm not obsessed with comparisons like you. The 911 TT is a pretty special car: 24/7 supercar, AWD, rear engined, 2+2, sporty and luxurious at the same time. Do you know any car that can match those characteristics?

I have said the Gallardo, because you told me to say a car, but I've added that the Lambo is different.....

[findleybeast]

forgetting the whole corvette shenanigans, I'm pretty impressed with the 997 turbo. I do like that they went through the effort to lighten it, although being as its an evolution rather than a completely new car I can see how that'd be fairly easy.

that variable turbo seems to have worked some magic too. I'm curious what this "special overboost mode" is though. 20.9 psi is ridiculous! I wonder if its a special mode you have to select, or if it just ups the boost at full throttle during a particular rev range, or something to that extent. At "normal" peak torque is only a 42lb ft increase over the 996, rather than the overboost 87lb ft increase.

And am I the only one disappointed by the front end treatment? It seems really toned down from the last turbo... lost some of its edge :|

[frodefe]

Read quickly through all posts - this is my $0.2

A sportscar is by it's nature something unrational, silly and useless. This in terms of practicality, performance and price.
It's more about feelings, emotions and dreams...
Pure performance, price (bang-for-the-buck), reliability, depreciation etc. will never by it self fuel a passion. At best make
for an excuse to the purchase, a way to rationalize the irrational.

I had a dream when I was younger, and made my self a promise. Once I will buy a Porsche 911. The car of my dreams.
The car that I had read about in tons of magazines, and had pictures of that covered the walls of my bedroom. This promise was never
one made out of value for money, or it's 1/4 mile times. This was solely based upon one thing - this car (for me) was THE only sportscar to have.

I do belive that it's important for the C6 fans to accnowledge the fact that the mrsp vs performance does not equate to the same for all.
Of course a sportscar does not exsist in a vacuum, but are measured towards other, normal cars, and also different types of sportscars.
For some these results confirms and rationalize their choice, and for others they exists merely as an informative side-note.

I'm presently not it the position for purchasing a new sportscar. But if I was, the Corvette could be prized at $ 45.000 and I still would not consider it.

It simply is not my thing...

[sentra_dude]

^Nice post

Let's stay on topic here and talk about the Porsche and not the Corvette please.

Personally, I am a little disappointed with the visual treatment...the wheels for one, they are forced, and I'm definitely not sure about the exhaust placement. I was hoping since this model was sort of a return to 993 looks that they would go that direction with the turbo, since the 993 turbo (in my opinion) is the best looking turbo. This one doesn't seem to have quite as much of a 'squat' look as the other turbos...hopefully that is just the pictures, and it will look better in person.

The specs certainly sound impressive, and as usual the specs Porsche has provided are most likely very conservative...this will be a fast car. 8)

Thanks.

[RC45]

^Nice post

Let's stay on topic here and talk about the Porsche and not the Corvette please.


Lets keep the the story accurate as well.. the anti-Corvette brigade are the ones that got all pissy and brought up the issue.. a number of us simply made observaitons and called for comparisons... you yahoos put the Corvette into the equation.

The C-car never even entered into the dabate - it just seems that the P-car is not allowed to be called into comparison to anything else.. ever... ;)

[mv]

I can see it getting very positive reviews and can't wait for Tiff to wring its neck. It might not be as powerful as we might have expected, but since it's shed some kilos we can expect a significant improvement in performance. Some cutting-edge technology is also present, it has everything it needs. But still, bring on the Turbo S. :drool:

BTW, the Z06 will no longer be faster on the Ring than a 911 Turbo. :twisted:

[5vz-fe]

BTW, the Z06 will no longer be faster on the Ring than a 911 Turbo. :twisted:

:roll:

[nthfinity]

I can see it getting very positive reviews and can't wait for Tiff to wring its neck. It might not be as powerful as we might have expected, but since it's shed some kilos we can expect a significant improvement in performance. Some cutting-edge technology is also present, it has everything it needs. But still, bring on the Turbo S. :drool:

BTW, the Z06 will no longer be faster on the Ring than a 911 Turbo. :twisted:
what does it matter? the Z06 is fargin fast, the Porsche is fargin fast.

i personally would opt for Turbo... well, i think i'd opt for the X50. i would like to own both, however :wink: .... oh and for the record... i'd still choose that overweight Ford GT over both :wink:

[RC45]

I can see it getting very positive reviews and can't wait for Tiff to wring its neck. It might not be as powerful as we might have expected, but since it's shed some kilos we can expect a significant improvement in performance. Some cutting-edge technology is also present, it has everything it needs. But still, bring on the Turbo S. :drool:

BTW, the Z06 will no longer be faster on the Ring than a 911 Turbo. :twisted:
what does it matter? the Z06 is fargin fast, the Porsche is fargin fast.

i personally would opt for Turbo... well, i think i'd opt for the X50. i would like to own both, however :wink: .... oh and for the record... i'd still choose that overweight Ford GT over both :wink:

In the final analysis I think I ould opt for the GT3 and learn how to drive it fargin faster than the Turbo schmurbo ;)

[coloradosilver]

BTW, the Z06 will no longer be faster on the Ring than a 911 Turbo. :twisted:

Hahaha, ...wrong! :roll:

[5vz-fe]

BTW, the Z06 will no longer be faster on the Ring than a 911 Turbo. :twisted:

Hahaha, ...wrong! :roll:

awwww, do u have to spoil the fun and give out the answer........

[coloradosilver]

I didn't think I was spoiling anything....I thought it was obvious. Anyway...I'm sorry if I ruined anything for you. :wink:

[RC45]

I'm starting to hate the fucking Corvette.

A mindless reponse.

You need to stop comparing the Corvette against everything. It's ridiculous :roll: :roll:

OK - then what would YOU compare to the 997 911 TT?

Let's hear it?

I'd compare it to a 430 and call it a bargain.

Excellent - then you go buy either one and enjoy them.

You are able to buy either one at the moment - right?

[coloradosilver]

You could compare the Z06 to any other car that has 500+ hp and can do 0-60 in 3.7 sec with a top speed of 198 mph and can get around "The Ring" in 7.42 and only costs $70,000. Oh wait, there aren't any other cars that even come close to fitting that criteria. Thus we must compare it to the other cars that can offer the same (or close to) the same performance numbers regardless of price. Unfortunately, aside from the Dodge Viper, those other cars all cost well over $125,000.

[RC45]

You could compare the Z06 to any other car that has 500+ hp and can do 0-60 in 3.7 sec with a top speed of 198 mph and can get around "The Ring" in 7.42 and only costs $70,000. Oh wait, there aren't any other cars that even come close to fitting that criteria. Thus we must compare it to the other cars that can offer the same (or close to) the same performance numbers regardless of price. Unfortunately, aside from the Dodge Viper, those other cars all cost well over $125,000.

Colorado.. I gave up a long time ago.. I have been having the same debate since the days when the C5 Z would bloe the doors off the 360CS - folks just refused to believe it, and then always did the "price and value don't matter when you have heritage".. ;)

Finally you see 99% of the haters couldn't afford the cigarete lighter for their "hero mobiles" so it's a moot discussion :)

In the mean time, just sit back, read the magazines, enjoy the videos and drive your beast with the knowledge you are sitting retty ;)

The other thing all the haters seem to forget, is that we may drive what we can afford (Vettes) but we enjoy and appreciate all hi-po cars - but we at least get to drive like (or better) performance or less money ;)

Pretty funny if you think about it ;) hehehe

And the 997 911TT isn't half bad - for an overweight, 4-wheeler with an engine in the trunk... :) hehehe

[nthfinity]

I can see it getting very positive reviews and can't wait for Tiff to wring its neck. It might not be as powerful as we might have expected, but since it's shed some kilos we can expect a significant improvement in performance. Some cutting-edge technology is also present, it has everything it needs. But still, bring on the Turbo S. :drool:

BTW, the Z06 will no longer be faster on the Ring than a 911 Turbo. :twisted:
what does it matter? the Z06 is fargin fast, the Porsche is fargin fast.

i personally would opt for Turbo... well, i think i'd opt for the X50. i would like to own both, however :wink: .... oh and for the record... i'd still choose that overweight Ford GT over both :wink:

In the final analysis I think I ould opt for the GT3 and learn how to drive it fargin faster than the Turbo schmurbo ;)
yeah, the gT3 has that cirtain allure to it, doesnt it :drool: an amazing car that does what it does with much less power then its 'competitors' :) hehe... mabey i'll have room next to that Ford GT in the garage... but i'll have to take the porsche out to drive the gt each time :P

[RC45]

I don't think people refuse to belive it, they're just sick of the Z06 being brought up in every fucking thread...

Well- then don't bring it up.

Besides - don't you think others are sick of the F360/F430/P911/Gallardo being brought up in every fucking thread?

Oh wait - that's because other people want to compare all of them... :roll:

[godspeed06]

i think its brought up a lot not just because of its performance per dollar (which is universally known to be unbeatable) but bc pretty much average guys can buy corvettes. i mean if all we brought up was the mclaren slr then all i could really say was that a silver one passed me on a back road near my home last summer... but if we were to talk about corvettes i could say that i know several who own them and ive had the chance to drive a C6 Z06... cant really say that about porsche gt3, slr, murcielago et al... see, most of the guys who defend the vettes here OWN them or are close or their dad might own one or whatever. all you ferrari and porsche lovers just have your skeet skeet stained EVO mags to show for 'em...

[coloradosilver]

According to March 2006 issue of Car and Driver - specs on new 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo Coupe versus the Corvette Z06, Notice the Nurbergring comparison:

'06 Z06 Corvette: 505 horsepower at 6300 rpm / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 473 horsepower (SAE Net) at 6000 rpm
'06 Z06 Corvette: 475 ft-lbs torque / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 502 ft-lbs for 10 seconds max or 457 ft-lbs otherwise

'06 Z06 Corvette: 0.31 drag coefficient / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 0.31 Cd

'06 Z06 Corvette: 3130 lbs. curb weight / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 3,400 lbs. curb weight
'06 Z06 Corvette: 6.19 lbs per Hp / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 7.18 lbs per Hp

'06 Z06 Corvette: 175 inches length / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 175.6 inches length

'06 Z06 Corvette: 6-speed manual transmission / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 5-speed automatic w/ manumatic shifting or 6-speed manual transmission
'06 Z06 Corvette: 16 mpg city-26 mpg highway EPA / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 15 mpg city-22 mpg highway estimated

'06 Z06 Corvette: 3.6 seconds 0 to 60 mph (Car & Driver Mag. Oct. '05) / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 3.6 - 3.7 seconds estimated 0 to 60 mph
'06 Z06 Corvette: 11.7 seconds in 1/4 mile (Car & Driver Mag. Oct. '05) / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 11.9 - 12.0 seconds
'06 Z06 Corvette: 198 mph top speed / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: 193 mph (manufacturer's estimate)

Time Around Nurbergring Racetrack:

'06 Z06 Corvette: 7.42 / 07' Porsche 911 Turbo: 7.48

'06 Z06 Corvette: $64,890 msrp base price / '07 Porsche 911 Turbo: $130,000 msrp estimated base price.

[nthfinity]

^^^^^
im suddenly reminded of St-a telling us that the S (x50/x73) are able to lap NS 7 or so seconds quicker... and well.... nobody else has Walter Rohl 8)

whats amazing to think further is that the GT3 with its 'underpowered' engine will still lap faster... and well.... we see porsche tuners making GT3's that can lap Leipzig as fast/faster then the CGT :-D

its absolutely amazing to think that 'other' car can lap the ring as fast as it did... i mean... thats a massively impressive improvement of 13 seconds in one generation... but as i said before... it will be slightly more telling once HvS drives the car. Jan may know the limits of the car... but HvS drives it to the feel, as his time is much more limited with each car.

[5vz-fe]

^I think the 427 has alot to do with the huge time jump.......it gave the corvette 25% power hike, lower drag also contributed a few sec drop at the long straight at the end. Are there any 427 C5 Z06 lapped the ring?

(911 TT on the other hand only has ~12% power hike)

[nthfinity]

^I think the 427 has alot to do with the huge time jump.......it gave the corvette 25% power hike, lower drag also contributed a few sec drop at the long straight at the end. Are there any 427 C5 Z06 lapped the ring?

(911 TT on the other hand only has ~12% power hike)
the power hike really helps in a few sections of the NS..

.Antoniusbuche, Döttinger Höhe
Quiddlebacher Höhe--> Aremberg
Bergwerk--->Klosteral...

with an emphasis on high speed stability on the last two... well, in my humble opinion :lol: im not a 'real' ring expert :P

[5vz-fe]

^lol, at least u know how to add 2 dots on top of a "o" :mrgreen:

[DeMoN]

a 2007 model early in the 2006 made me think that the design would be different than usual Porsches, WRONG!

[nthfinity]

a 2007 model early in the 2006 made me think that the design would be different than usual Porsches, WRONG!
what is that supposed to mean?

[ice]

This car will be a real machine, would love to own one for daily use. Im a bit suprised by the top speed though, ive heard its only 193 mph? Not that it matters, i think top speed is a useless measure, so long as its over 180. Should a 911 turbo with 480 hp be pushing a bit higher then 193 though?

Also, I think the Z06 is more akin to the GT3 then the turbo in terms of spirit. The 911 turbo is almost just a bit too much Grand tourer rather then outright race car, which is what the Z06 is.

[Skaala]

Looks cool with black wheels

http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/9/369179.jpg
http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/0/369180.jpg
http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/1/369181.jpg
http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/369182.jpg
http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/4/369184.jpg

[inso]

EVO about the same test and some more:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?s=dd0e3cf7a1a940e65b10e495dc411702&t=249802&page=7&pp=15

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4342/190064-1.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=190064-1.jpg)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4263/190066-2.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=190066-2.jpg)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9673/190067-3.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=190067-3.jpg)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2321/190068-4.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=190068-4.jpg)

Autobild version about the same article, look also the pictures, especially the 360 degrees interior panorama.
http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen/artikel.php?artikel_id=10726


and if you want to look official 997tt brochures or 997gt3 specs.
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?p=2795562#post2795562

http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/country/gcf/newsID/2060213.014/porsche/porsche-911-turbo-world-premiere-at-geneva-motor-show

and flash presentation, quite nice, with plenty of wallpapers:
http://www.porsche.com/all/masterwerk/usa.aspx