Jan 23 - Ice driving school (Audi, BMW, Porsche, Subaru, VW) [Archive] - Sports Car Forum

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01-22-2006, 08:29 PM

Well, I can finally add a 2006 section to my meetings' one because I had the first one this Friday. It was again a day organised over at asphalte.ch, that local forum with which we put together this little drive back in 2005: http://www.swisscarsightings.com/asphaltechoctobre2005.html

Anyway, this time it was to have some ice driving lessons. I would have preferred to be at the wheel actually, but tok the decision too late so I was just the official photographer, which was plenty cool enough.. A marvellous sunny day deep into the Alps, 1600 meters in the Grand San Bernard vallery, right before the tunnel going to Italy, an ice/snow course, stunning scenery and great ladies and gentlemen! it was great fun!

The wake up was at 5.45 am, I met with some of the guys on the way, one of them beeing our leo and the drive up there was quite fun, even if only the last few km could be called "mountain road". A bit sad to follow an RS4, M3 and Impreza in my poor 320, btu who cares :D
then the fun begun, and instead of bother you with lot of text, let's bring on the pics!

Click any preview to see the full 98 high-res pics update

12 cars were allowed and here they are (the new Toledo is one of the instructors' cars)
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/Group_001.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

Here are the cars taking part:

Audi B5 S4, an agressive lady at the wheel! She was really 100% focused on it!
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/Audi_S4_B5_006.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

Audi B6 S4, quite amazing car, really on rails!
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/Audi_S4_B6_006.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

Audi RS4 B5, thanks to its power (it's also chipped BTW), it can slide quite well ;)
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/Audi_RS4_164.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

After the Audis, the BMW. First of them, this lovely E39 M5 (already seen in my indepths)
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/BMW_E39_M5_113.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

And three E46 M3!
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/BMW_E46_M3_576.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/BMW_E46_M3_579.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/BMW_E46_M3_571.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

Finally, a 3.0 Z3
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/BMW_Z3_3_0i_004.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

More German cars, Porsche this time, in the shape of this 996 C4
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/Porsche_996_Carrera_4_036.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

And pierre's 996TT
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/Porsche_996_Turbo_609.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

leo's Subaru! Thanks for the ride dude!!
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/Subaru_Impreza_GT_012.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

And even a brave lady with her Polo 16v!
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/504/medium/VW_Polo_16v_005.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006.html)

Enjoy!

ARMAN

01-22-2006, 08:33 PM

Fantastic pics on snow TT! :twisted: ... and where is your BMW drifting??? :P :wink:

Zcoupé looks great in any angle and best shot imo is the last lineup then is the one you have in your sig :D

Thanx for posting, been waiting for those :P

T-Bird

01-22-2006, 08:34 PM

looks like alot of fun was it all just snowy grass or was it on a small lake?

01-22-2006, 08:44 PM

It's a specially prepared ice/snow course.

sameerrao

01-22-2006, 09:07 PM

Superb pictures! Thanks for sharing :)

EnzoLover

01-22-2006, 09:34 PM

Nice pics! :D

And some drifting videos ?

i saw a suction mount at M5

01-22-2006, 09:46 PM

Yup, the M5 owner is a sucker for vids (especially tunnels LOL) and I think he filed a bit, but he terribly lack free time to edit them, so no vids atm :bah:

FPVPSI

01-22-2006, 10:19 PM

What an event! I bet the RWD cars would have been a ball!

Wish we had events like that in Australia...ohh well we'll have to make do with water... :D

PATo355

01-22-2006, 11:03 PM

Nice pictures TT , the scuby must do it pretty well .

Toronto

01-22-2006, 11:12 PM

amazing pic's there TT.
looks like alot of fun, did you have any pics from inside the Subaru?

1zippo1

01-23-2006, 12:45 AM

Cool pics TT, seems like a nice experience. But I would feel bad if I was there and couldn't join in...

The lady in the VW Polo is really hamering it, look at how sideways she goes!!

stmoritzer

01-23-2006, 03:54 AM

Awesome pics TT!
Looks like you guys had a lot of fun :drool:
Pierre = Mr. 8) behind the steering wheel :D

http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006/thumbs/Porsche%20996%20Turbo%20613.jpg (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/sortieglisseasphalte2006/Porsche%20996%20Turbo%20613.jpg)

Very nice winter-scenery, thanks for the bunch of nice photos!

edit: I guess the lady did a handbrake-drift with the FWD Polo :D

manta

01-23-2006, 03:56 AM

awesome pics!! the bmw start with snow flying behind is really funny!!

pzgren

01-23-2006, 04:59 AM

wow! looks like a 100% pure fun event! where was it held?

nice pics as always!

AlienDB7

01-23-2006, 05:08 AM

:shock:
Looks like you all had a blast. Did you get a chance to take your 320 on the snow course TT?

All the high powered cars on snow covered roads must be fun!! That M3 went really sideways.

dingo

01-23-2006, 05:46 AM

Nice event, definately something we can't do here. :( I really love pics in the snow, so plenty were saved! :D

The WRX is obviously the pic of the lot, can you (or Leo) give some info on how it handled on the ice?

01-23-2006, 06:02 AM

amazing pic's there TT.
looks like alot of fun, did you have any pics from inside the Subaru?

Nope sorry, it was getting dark already and had no more room in my mem cards for any more pics ;)

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edit: I guess the lady did a handbrake-drift with the FWD Polo :D

Yup, handbrake, at that speed (pretty low because of the ice), you can't really have any effect from lift off mid corner ;)

wow! looks like a 100% pure fun event! where was it held?

nice pics as always!

Bourg St. Pierre, right before the entrance of the Grand San Bernard tunnel (1600 meters high)

:shock:
Looks like you all had a blast. Did you get a chance to take your 320 on the snow course TT?

All the high powered cars on snow covered roads must be fun!! That M3 went really sideways.

Nope, since I didn't register (read "pay") for the lessons, I wasn't of course allowed to take my car on track

...
The WRX is obviously the pic of the lot, can you (or Leo) give some info on how it handled on the ice?

I'll let leo answer this ;) IMO it was very nice. Well planted when needed but still able to do some nice 4 wheel slides: you just need to be brave enough to feed enough power to make it start, and on such relatively tight track, it's not so easy ;) the walls might be snowy, but you can still loose your bumper if you hit them sideway ;)

stmoritzer

01-23-2006, 06:27 AM

^ I sometimes try to handbrake-slide around the snow-iced corners in the neighbourhood of my parents (FWD Seat :wink:), but as you said : one has to pay attention not to loose it :wink:

my mother has a Impreza (no, not a WRX STI :lol: , a 2.0l StationWagon ), it takes quite a lot to get this car sliding ( handbrake for instance goes to all four wheels, so that option is not that efficient :wink:), but turn into a corner, push the gas and the fun starts :D . In general the Subarus (like the Legacy I had before), are very well balanced, almost impossible to oversteer/loose the rear.

franck bullitt

01-23-2006, 08:47 AM

I love your pics :!: :shock:
Thx for sharing it :D

taygunho

01-23-2006, 08:53 AM

E 39 M5 :drool: thanks for pics TT

Pehtren

01-23-2006, 09:55 AM

woooooooow, what have i missed :oops:

the pics are just great...as usual :wink:

i think that one of the pic with the M5 will go to the desktop :twisted:

it seems that BMWs were going with no trouble around the track, were they any good :?:

the audi pics are superb but i like the M5 so... :P ..desktop

thanks for the pics, too bad for vids

dutchmasterflex

01-23-2006, 11:03 AM

yeah... we're gonna need some videos of the M5 on ice :)

great event! looks almost like my commute to work this morning!

I can't even imagine what it must of been like drive on that ice course with a RWD machine.. :shock:

adamwich

01-23-2006, 11:44 AM

Looks like a really nice event! The porsche pics are great! :D

Darkel

01-23-2006, 11:56 AM

and where is your BMW drifting??? :P :wink:
Tracks are for pussies, "driftmaster" TT uses to drifting on open roads near lamborghini dealers :mrgreen:

Great set of pics, once again; a perfect config would have been the sun in the other direction so that it would've been possible to see the rims instead of the tires ... but I'm quibbling :wink:

Pehtren

01-23-2006, 01:12 PM

hmmm...TT has a BMW, where is he :mrgreen:

vakpemil

01-23-2006, 02:36 PM

Wooow! That is mean! :twisted: Damn it would be nice to join that club! :D

01-23-2006, 02:39 PM

...
it seems that BMWs were going with no trouble around the track, were they any good :?:
...

Yes, no big troubles actually. traction control was usually helpfull for tricky situations and even if the Audis and Impreza were of course faster (no timed laps anyway), the BMW can always go around a corner in a very nice way :D
The M5 actually had some problems because those tires were not really that good. The owner just bought it a bit before winter and the winter tires were already mounted on the original wheels, so he just put them on when the time came, to discover they don't provide much grip LOL!

and where is your BMW drifting??? :P :wink:
Tracks are for pussies, "driftmaster" TT uses to drifting on open roads near lamborghini dealers :mrgreen:

Great set of pics, once again; a perfect config would have been the sun in the other direction so that it would've been possible to see the rims instead of the tires ... but I'm quibbling :wink:

LOL, actually there were some better spots than the ones I used, but as you know, the sun is a stubborn and always goes where he wants, so I had to comply :D

As for my drift on open road, must have been an illusion: to powerslide on open road is not safe :angel:

yeckmohr

01-23-2006, 02:46 PM

Thanks TT for these amazing pics.

The group pics are the best like Dingo's pics from the meeting last year.

What a nice girl with the "Beast" Polo.

Great Job Men.

Pehtren

01-23-2006, 03:57 PM

Wutputt

01-23-2006, 04:30 PM

Since I'm a sucker for fast cars in the snow, I love these pics! Certainly as drifting is involved :D

It must be great fun to play endless in the snow with such car. Not only is it fun, it's also a good lesson to learn the behaviour of the car better in slippery conditions. The pics look great and it seems the camera coped with the freezing conditions! It's also good to see some familiar 'faces' ;)

01-24-2006, 01:43 PM

Yup the camera had no troubles, but despite the clear day and the 1600 meters on the sea, once the sun came out, it was pretty "warm". Around 0 C and not the -10 I was expecting. So definitely lucky!

Schwalbe

01-25-2006, 03:12 AM

This is an awesome Ice driving pictures set. http://www.rs6.com/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Those pictures are so beautiful with the snow scenery that I saved all S4, RS4 and the Porsche 996 turbo. Special thanks to you TT ! :D

sikx5

01-25-2006, 07:48 AM

wow what a gathering, it seems you have many female car enthusiasts over there, very nice to see.

Love the shots the M3's, great to capture them ripping up the snow, sounds like great fun :mrgreen:

c0wb0y007

02-01-2006, 02:45 PM

Nice pictures TT,

Besides the lot of nice cars, it looks like the landscape is very nice as well. I have been in Switserland only once (Saas-Fee) It's a wonderful country as far as I'm concerned.

My personal favour is the panningshot of leo's Subaru 8) Nicely done!

Keep it up

CHeers

Garretts_turbo

02-02-2006, 03:19 AM

awesome shots,
most nights in winter the parking lot at work looks like that hahaha