Apple Intel

[evoWalo]

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/intel/intel20060110_h.640.mov

Now with the "practicality" of Windows. he he he

[SFDMALEX]

Whats this hypocrisy?

BTW I just laugh at the pathetic PC hits they make...like little children honestly :roll:

I want one of those pathetic mac yuppies to come over and tell me how my system is any worse then his mac and how it does so much more things so much better then me :)

[RC45]

I told you he uses a Sony... ;)

He just rus an OS X skin on XP :P

[evoWalo]

It aint hypocracy... they've been allowing Windows to run on Macs for years. Now it runs natively.

Though I personally feel that Windows on a Mac is like allowing a retarded kid drive a Lambo. I guess a lot of people love retarded kids. ;)

So the anti-Apple trolls wouldnt have a hardtime bashing the Mac here is a side by side comparison between an Acer & an Apple.

MB Pro 15" Acer TravelMate 8200
15.4" 15.4" WXGA
1.67GHz 2.0GHz
512MB DDR2 1GB DDR2
80GB 5400rpm 120GB 5400rpm
4X SuperDrive 8X DVD+/-RW DL
ATI X1600 ATI X1600 256MB
2 x USB 2.0 4 x USB 2.0
Firewire 400 Firewire 400
10/100/1000Mbps 10/100/
Airport Extreme 802.11 a/b/g
iSight 1.3 MP Camera
ExpressCard ExpressCard
--- PC Card
--- 5-in-1 card reader
5.6 lbs 6.6 lbs
$1999 $1999

[Toronto]

old news, but just a new item launch...

[ae86_16v]

Think I am gonna wait for Merom.

[pharzo]

Hey look, apple decided start crawling out of the proverbial betamax hole they dug for themselves

Too bad it isn't going to increase the intelligence of their core user base :)

[evoWalo]

Hey look, apple decided start crawling out of the proverbial betamax hole they dug for themselves

Too bad it isn't going to increase the intelligence of their core user base :)I guess it's true. Terrorists tend to preffer Windows while all the US Presidents preffer Macs & iPods.

:lol:

[pharzo]

I guess it's true. Terrorists tend to preffer Windows while all the US Presidents preffer Macs & iPods.

Yes, evil people use windows

I guess 90% of computer users are evil terrorists

I wonder what you'll say when Apple release OS x86 :P

[evoWalo]

I guess it's true. Terrorists tend to preffer Windows while all the US Presidents preffer Macs & iPods.

Yes, evil people use windows

I guess 90% of computer users are evil terrorists

I wonder what you'll say when Apple release OS x86 :P
So long as they oppose the will of Bush they are. ;)

Apple already released OS X that works with x86. I've been toying around with it a few months ago.

[RC45]

Apple already released OS X that works with x86. I've been toying around with it a few months ago.

Yeah - WIntel have only had - what a 20 year lead now :P ;)

[pharzo]

Apple already released OS X that works with x86. I've been toying around with it a few months ago.

I guess if you consider 'stolen then illegally shared" to be the same as 'released', then yeah, they have released it

[ae86_16v]

Apple already released OS X that works with x86. I've been toying around with it a few months ago.

Actually years ago now. Ever since OS X 10.0 all of their OS were complied in both PPC and x86 platforms.

[evoWalo]

Apple already released OS X that works with x86. I've been toying around with it a few months ago.

I guess if you consider 'stolen then illegally shared" to be the same as 'released', then yeah, they have released it
Just like a lot of Windows users. ;)

[evoWalo]

Indeed Apple computers are overpriced. Nevermind it's a pound lighter. Nevermind it isnt an Acer. Nevermind it has a better industrial design. Nevermind it's physically smaller. Nevermind it's 1" thick. Nevermind it can triple boot into OS X, Linux & Windows. Nevermind it has award winning bundled software that can edit video, make DVDs, mix audio & edit & manage photos that makes owning a Mac worth it. Nevermind better build quality. Nevermind it gets bundled with a free dev kit. Nevermind it has FrontRow. Nevermind it has an IR remote. Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord. Nevermind it has back lit keyboards. Nevermind it has Bluetooth 2.0+

For the same MacBook Pro specs you can get a Gateway for $1454.99-1625. So feel free to save $400-600 on a great computer that still has the same problems as a computer as far back as 1995. It probably still has parallel & serial ports too and the ever essential PS/2. ;)

The whole points of Macs is the Operating System.

So if you dont like anything Apple can offer then go on to dell.com & buy the $499 laptop. It's big, heavy, smelly and a great bargain.

[pharzo]

The whole points of Macs is the Operating System.


So what happens when Apple releases (officially) OS x86?

Indeed Apple computers are overpriced. Nevermind it's a pound lighter. Nevermind it isnt an Acer. Nevermind it has a better industrial design. Nevermind it's physically smaller. Nevermind it's 1" thick. Nevermind it can triple boot into OS X, Linux & Windows. Nevermind it has award winning bundled software that can edit video, make DVDs, mix audio & edit & manage photos that makes owning a Mac worth it. Nevermind better build quality. Nevermind it gets bundled with a free dev kit. Nevermind it has FrontRow. Nevermind it has an IR remote. Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord. Nevermind it has back lit keyboards. Nevermind it has Bluetooth 2.0+


Yes, nevermind all that stuff. Because the acer has a faster processor, more RAM, a better hard drive, and a DVD burner that's twice as fast AND the possibility to uprade with components that are available at various prices and of various quality.

Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord.

You see, Windows users have long since mastered the elusive 'cable step' :wink:

It probably still has parallel & serial ports too and the ever essential PS/2.

Probably why your precious mac has half as many usb ports as the acer, right?


Look, if your entire argument is that macs are better because the software front end is more attractive, and the design is 'industrial', then I have but one thing to say. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to judge a book by its' cover? :P

Admit it, you're just a misguided fanboy. Not that uncommon really, because mac lovers tend to be in love with macs, while PC users just enjoy computing. Like a hairdresser might love his TT, but the guy with the non status symbol car just loves cars :wink:

[RC45]

^^ Hater... :fist:

[nejcdolinsek]

The whole points of Macs is the Operating System.


So what happens when Apple releases (officially) OS x86?

Indeed Apple computers are overpriced. Nevermind it's a pound lighter. Nevermind it isnt an Acer. Nevermind it has a better industrial design. Nevermind it's physically smaller. Nevermind it's 1" thick. Nevermind it can triple boot into OS X, Linux & Windows. Nevermind it has award winning bundled software that can edit video, make DVDs, mix audio & edit & manage photos that makes owning a Mac worth it. Nevermind better build quality. Nevermind it gets bundled with a free dev kit. Nevermind it has FrontRow. Nevermind it has an IR remote. Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord. Nevermind it has back lit keyboards. Nevermind it has Bluetooth 2.0+


Yes, nevermind all that stuff. Because the acer has a faster processor, more RAM, a better hard drive, and a DVD burner that's twice as fast AND the possibility to uprade with components that are available at various prices and of various quality.

Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord.

You see, Windows users have long since mastered the elusive 'cable step' :wink:

It probably still has parallel & serial ports too and the ever essential PS/2.

Probably why your precious mac has half as many usb ports as the acer, right?


Look, if your entire argument is that macs are better because the software front end is more attractive, and the design is 'industrial', then I have but one thing to say. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to judge a book by its' cover? :P

Admit it, you're just a misguided fanboy. Not that uncommon really, because mac lovers tend to be in love with macs, while PC users just enjoy computing. Like a hairdresser might love his TT, but the guy with the non status symbol car just loves cars :wink:

:lol: :lol:

[SFDMALEX]

The whole points of Macs is the Operating System.


So what happens when Apple releases (officially) OS x86?

Indeed Apple computers are overpriced. Nevermind it's a pound lighter. Nevermind it isnt an Acer. Nevermind it has a better industrial design. Nevermind it's physically smaller. Nevermind it's 1" thick. Nevermind it can triple boot into OS X, Linux & Windows. Nevermind it has award winning bundled software that can edit video, make DVDs, mix audio & edit & manage photos that makes owning a Mac worth it. Nevermind better build quality. Nevermind it gets bundled with a free dev kit. Nevermind it has FrontRow. Nevermind it has an IR remote. Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord. Nevermind it has back lit keyboards. Nevermind it has Bluetooth 2.0+


Yes, nevermind all that stuff. Because the acer has a faster processor, more RAM, a better hard drive, and a DVD burner that's twice as fast AND the possibility to uprade with components that are available at various prices and of various quality.

Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord.

You see, Windows users have long since mastered the elusive 'cable step' :wink:

It probably still has parallel & serial ports too and the ever essential PS/2.

Probably why your precious mac has half as many usb ports as the acer, right?


Look, if your entire argument is that macs are better because the software front end is more attractive, and the design is 'industrial', then I have but one thing to say. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to judge a book by its' cover? :P

Admit it, you're just a misguided fanboy. Not that uncommon really, because mac lovers tend to be in love with macs, while PC users just enjoy computing. Like a hairdresser might love his TT, but the guy with the non status symbol car just loves cars :wink:

PHARZO FOR PRESIDENT!

[evoWalo]

So what happens when Apple releases (officially) OS x86?

Economic success? End of the world? You using it?
Yes, nevermind all that stuff. Because the acer has a faster processor, more RAM, a better hard drive, and a DVD burner that's twice as fast AND the possibility to uprade with components that are available at various prices and of various quality.

Still runs Windows XP. Stock OS is unoptimized for Core Duos. Still more buggy. Still more insecure. Better hardware specs glosses over the shortcommings of the OS

You see, Windows users have long since mastered the elusive 'cable step' :wink:

Seeming 90% of all computer users are Windows users... 9 out of 10 instances of falling Mac laptops are from Windows users. :D

Probably why your precious mac has half as many usb ports as the acer, right? Probably why the Macbook is so small & light.


Look, if your entire argument is that macs are better because the software front end is more attractive, and the design is 'industrial', then I have but one thing to say. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to judge a book by its' cover? :PIf people thought that way then no one would buy nice looking cars. They'd all drive a Lada or a Kia and think a Bugatti is useless cause it can only seat 2 people. Not just the front end's better. The overall software package is better.

Admit it, you're just a misguided fanboy. Not that uncommon really, because mac lovers tend to be in love with macs, while PC users just enjoy computing. Like a hairdresser might love his TT, but the guy with the non status symbol car just loves cars :wink:You sir suffer from Apple envy. ;) If tinkering & fixing your computer is 'enjoying computing' then you're probably right. We Mac fanboys just sit in our laziboys love actually using Macs.

Enjoy your dull little boxes. 8)

[SFDMALEX]

Enjoy your dull little boxes. 8)

I sure will :)

[graywolf624]

Yes, nevermind all that stuff. Because the acer has a faster processor, more RAM, a better hard drive, and a DVD burner that's twice as fast AND the possibility to uprade with components that are available at various prices and of various quality.
I guess I have to be the one to comment.. I hate to do this cause I prefer pcs, even though I also have two relatively new macs....

But here goes.

Processor speeds are not comparable between the x86 and g5 architecture. Why? One is risc the other is cisc(essentially has to do with pipelining.. look it up).
The g5 was risc, similar to most of your game processors. The reality is, a slower processed mac would perform as well as an x86 of a significantly higher value. The problem.. risc is more expensive then cisc.


Now with the mr wizard speech done.... I think the reality is macs and pcs have different purposes. Neither is better then the other and alot of it has to do with what your use to. I prefer my pc, but part of that is familiarity with it. I can no longer say that mac doesnt have its own software, even if I dont know most of it. I also cant say the pc can't do photo editing(duh).
I can say that the mac seems to be easier for the non computer expert to do complex tasks, especially related to high end media.
The pc is great if your an expert. But without being an expert any hacker could rip your windows box full of security wholes in the time it takes you to sneeze. While the macs certainly arent fullproof, it would take a dedicated hacker slightly longer because features are shut off out of the box.

So thats my take, for what its worth comming from someone who has used a computer since before many jw members were born.. (parents had a computer before I was born and I have memories of using one at sub 4 years of age.)
and has been x86 based since the first xt hit the scene, yet only used a mac for about 2 years.

[SFDMALEX]

[
You sir suffer from Apple envy. ;) If tinkering & fixing your computer is 'enjoying computing' then you're probably right. We Mac fanboys just sit in our laziboys love actually using Macs.


Tinker? Fix? :roll: Dunno the meaning of the word. FYI fixing, if any is only when I break it.

I sure do enjoy my dull little box.

I enjoy my, full adobe kit.

I enjoy my audio studio

I enjoy my gaming

I enjoy my dvd/tv/cd ripping

I enjoy my cad

I enjoy my 3dsmax

I enjoy my.......damn too many things to list

All while sitting not on a lazi boy, but my big couch, with my wireless media keyboard having the dull little box connected to a 5.1 system, whilst running a clone desktop on my 42" sony rear projection.

:)

[evoWalo]

PowerPCs are on the way out. Intel chips are in. So you could actually compare Apples to actual apples.

The fastest Powerbook G4 is 4-5x slower than a Macbook Pro using a Intel Core Duo 1.67GHz

The fastest iMac G5 2.1GHz is 2-3x slower than a iMac Intel Core Duo 2.0

Just a minor tweek to what gray said.

1. Clock for clock the G5 is faster than the Pentium 4 architecture

2. Clock for clock the Yonah/Core Duo chip is faster than the G5

The Yonah architecture is the next generation of the Pentium-M - the mobile chip first designed by their Israel design team. It's small, faster at lower clock speeds, and uses less power than the past x86 chips, which you are referring to.

A dual-core 2Ghz Yonah which can outdo a 3Ghz P4 Prescott, and run much cooler, which is necessary in a case that thin (the iMac case) when cooling are space-limited.

That's why Apple made the transition from PowerPC to Intel because Intel's Core Duo tech was vastly more superior than anything IBM can or will offer in the near future.

Malicious programmers have access to OS X for over half a decade and still no problems.

I guess I have to be the one to comment.. I hate to do this cause I prefer pcs, even though I also have two relatively new macs....

But here goes.

Processor speeds are not comparable between the x86 and g5 architecture. Why? One is risc the other is cisc(essentially has to do with pipelining.. look it up).
The g5 was risc, similar to most of your game processors. The reality is, a slower processed mac would perform as well as an x86 of a significantly higher value. The problem.. risc is more expensive then cisc.


Now with the mr wizard speech done.... I think the reality is macs and pcs have different purposes. Neither is better then the other and alot of it has to do with what your use to. I prefer my pc, but part of that is familiarity with it. I can no longer say that mac doesnt have its own software, even if I dont know most of it. I also cant say the pc can't do photo editing(duh).
I can say that the mac seems to be easier for the non computer expert to do complex tasks, especially related to high end media.
The pc is great if your an expert. But without being an expert any hacker could rip your windows box full of security wholes in the time it takes you to sneeze. While the macs certainly arent fullproof, it would take a dedicated hacker slightly longer because features are shut off out of the box.

So thats my take, for what its worth comming from someone who has used a computer since before many jw members were born.. (parents had a computer before I was born and I have memories of using one at sub 4 years of age.)
and has been x86 based since the first xt hit the scene, yet only used a mac for about 2 years.

[Toronto]

how many pages is this apple vs. pc argument going to go on for?
bets anyone?
i hope 2 :?

[SFDMALEX]

PowerPCs are on the way out. Intel chips are in. So you could actually compare Apples to actual apples.

The fastest Powerbook G4 is 4-5x slower than a Macbook Pro using a Intel Core Duo 1.67GHz

The fastest iMac G5 2.1GHz is 2-3x slower than a iMac Intel Core Duo 2.0

Just a minor tweek to what gray said.

1. Clock for clock the G5 is faster than the Pentium 4 architecture

2. Clock for clock the Yonah/Core Duo chip is faster than the G5

The Yonah architecture is the next generation of the Pentium-M - the mobile chip first designed by their Israel design team. It's small, faster at lower clock speeds, and uses less power than the past x86 chips, which you are referring to.

A dual-core 2Ghz Yonah which can outdo a 3Ghz P4 Prescott, and run much cooler, which is necessary in a case that thin (the iMac case) when cooling are space-limited.

That's why Apple made the transition from PowerPC to Intel because Intel's Core Duo tech was vastly more superior than anything IBM can or will offer in the near future.

Malicious programmers have access to OS X for over half a decade and still no problems.



So now Intel is great and a year ago it was shit....

You mac boys...cheating judases

[SFDMALEX]

how many pages is this apple vs. pc argument going to go on for?
bets anyone?
i hope 2 :?

When the Mac boys see the light and give up the end shall come :wink:

[RC45]

The whole points of Macs is the Operating System.


So what happens when Apple releases (officially) OS x86?

Indeed Apple computers are overpriced. Nevermind it's a pound lighter. Nevermind it isnt an Acer. Nevermind it has a better industrial design. Nevermind it's physically smaller. Nevermind it's 1" thick. Nevermind it can triple boot into OS X, Linux & Windows. Nevermind it has award winning bundled software that can edit video, make DVDs, mix audio & edit & manage photos that makes owning a Mac worth it. Nevermind better build quality. Nevermind it gets bundled with a free dev kit. Nevermind it has FrontRow. Nevermind it has an IR remote. Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord. Nevermind it has back lit keyboards. Nevermind it has Bluetooth 2.0+


Yes, nevermind all that stuff. Because the acer has a faster processor, more RAM, a better hard drive, and a DVD burner that's twice as fast AND the possibility to uprade with components that are available at various prices and of various quality.

Nevermind it has a magnetic powerplug that would help prevent your laptop from falling in case someone walks into the power cord.

You see, Windows users have long since mastered the elusive 'cable step' :wink:

It probably still has parallel & serial ports too and the ever essential PS/2.

Probably why your precious mac has half as many usb ports as the acer, right?


Look, if your entire argument is that macs are better because the software front end is more attractive, and the design is 'industrial', then I have but one thing to say. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to judge a book by its' cover? :P

Admit it, you're just a misguided fanboy. Not that uncommon really, because mac lovers tend to be in love with macs, while PC users just enjoy computing. Like a hairdresser might love his TT, but the guy with the non status symbol car just loves cars :wink:

PHARZO FOR PRESIDENT!

PHARZO EL PRESIDENTE ;)

[SFDMALEX]

When is the inaguration?

I heard main yuppie in charge is coming with his XP powered laptop. :shock:

[ae86_16v]

If you see a computer as an appliance then any PC will do fine.

If you take a bit of pleasure in using your computer, then I believe by far OS X offers an experience far above and beyond Windows XP.

In a same way that could be applied to cars, if your point is to go from A to B, any car would do.

If you enjoy driving then I would recommend something nicer. For example there is something that is more than just raw horsepower or refinement that a BMW has over a Honda. It is more than all that tangible stuff you could mention. It is really just that feel you get when you get behind the wheel and actually start driving.

For me, the same logic applies to OS X. Personal preference.

[RC45]

If you see a computer as an appliance then any PC will do fine.

If you take a bit of pleasure in using your computer, then I believe by far OS X offers an experience far above and beyond Windows XP.

In a same way that could be applied to cars, if your point is to go from A to B, any car would do.

If you enjoy driving then I would recommend something nicer. For example there is something that is more than just raw horsepower or refinement that a BMW has over a Honda. It is more than all that tangible stuff you could mention. It is really just that feel you get when you get behind the wheel and actually start driving.

For me, the same logic applies to OS X. Personal preference.

What games and simulatord can you play on a Mac?

What engine tuning software can you run on a Mac?

What dyno software can you run on a Mac?

What lap timing/performance managing software can you run on a Mac?

What commercial data overlay/video overlay/engine managment software can you run ona Mac?

***crickets chirping***

That's what I thought.. :P

[pharzo]

Economic success? End of the world? You using it?


No, all wrong I'm afraid. What will happen is rabid fanboys will be forced to admit that mac hardware is shit :wink:

Stock OS is unoptimized for Core Duos.

Apart from being untrue, the key word there is 'stock'. That's the point of a pc. Its customizability, its malleability.

PowerPCs are on the way out. Intel chips are in. So you could actually compare Apples to actual apples.

The fastest Powerbook G4 is 4-5x slower than a Macbook Pro using a Intel Core Duo 1.67GHz

The fastest iMac G5 2.1GHz is 2-3x slower than a iMac Intel Core Duo 2.0

Just a minor tweek to what gray said.

1. Clock for clock the G5 is faster than the Pentium 4 architecture

2. Clock for clock the Yonah/Core Duo chip is faster than the G5

The Yonah architecture is the next generation of the Pentium-M - the mobile chip first designed by their Israel design team. It's small, faster at lower clock speeds, and uses less power than the past x86 chips, which you are referring to.

A dual-core 2Ghz Yonah which can outdo a 3Ghz P4 Prescott, and run much cooler, which is necessary in a case that thin (the iMac case) when cooling are space-limited.

That's why Apple made the transition from PowerPC to Intel because Intel's Core Duo tech was vastly more superior than anything IBM can or will offer in the near future.

Malicious programmers have access to OS X for over half a decade and still no problems.

I don't know where you get the idea that yonah is somehow 'for mac.' Yes, it is better than apples proprietary hardware. It will also be used primarily on the pc architecture. Viiv, anyone? And whatever you may say, Apple didn't just choose intel chips because they thought "hey, what's the best thing we can do for our customers?" Because if they did that, this move would have been made a long time ago. They did this because they are trying desperately to get out of the proprietary hole they dug for themselves


And If I was EL PRESIDENTE, anyone who used a mac without a good reason would be imprisoned for life :) And the only good reason is "I'm too stupid/computer illiterate/luddite to use anything else" :wink:

[ae86_16v]

If you see a computer as an appliance then any PC will do fine.

If you take a bit of pleasure in using your computer, then I believe by far OS X offers an experience far above and beyond Windows XP.

In a same way that could be applied to cars, if your point is to go from A to B, any car would do.

If you enjoy driving then I would recommend something nicer. For example there is something that is more than just raw horsepower or refinement that a BMW has over a Honda. It is more than all that tangible stuff you could mention. It is really just that feel you get when you get behind the wheel and actually start driving.

For me, the same logic applies to OS X. Personal preference.

What games and simulatord can you play on a Mac?

What engine tuning software can you run on a Mac?

What dyno software can you run on a Mac?

What lap timing/performance managing software can you run on a Mac?

What commercial data overlay/video overlay/engine managment software can you run ona Mac?

***crickets chirping***

That's what I thought.. :P

I don't use or need any of that stuff you mention. So what's your point? :bah:



I don't know where you get the idea that yonah is somehow 'for mac.' Yes, it is better than apples proprietary hardware. It will also be used primarily on the pc architecture. Viiv, anyone? And whatever you may say, Apple didn't just choose intel chips because they thought "hey, what's the best thing we can do for our customers?" Because if they did that, this move would have been made a long time ago. They did this because they are trying desperately to get out of the proprietary hole they dug for themselves


And If I was EL PRESIDENTE, anyone who used a mac without a good reason would be imprisoned for life :) And the only good reason is "I'm too stupid/computer illiterate/luddite to use anything else" :wink:

So you believe that Apple will either one license their OS or two allow other manufactures to make computers for them again, e.g. Clones?

I guess I am too stupid to use Windows XP.

[pharzo]

I guess I am too stupid to use Windows XP.

Hey, you said it, not me :P :wink:

[exhausted mules]

can you overclock a mac?

while using temp software to judge the melting point of your video processor?

while tweeking memory timings to make sure you can run battlefield 2 on full resolution everything maxed and not crash while loading the map?


if so. ok, i have no gripes about mac. (didn't they invent the computer or something?) but going proprietary when you know your competitor (even though its a stolen design) has a more comercially viable product.

if apply would have stayed neck and neck with microsoft this whole time instead of trying their own thing.


we would ALL have better pcs and macs.

[RC45]

If you see a computer as an appliance then any PC will do fine.

If you take a bit of pleasure in using your computer, then I believe by far OS X offers an experience far above and beyond Windows XP.

In a same way that could be applied to cars, if your point is to go from A to B, any car would do.

If you enjoy driving then I would recommend something nicer. For example there is something that is more than just raw horsepower or refinement that a BMW has over a Honda. It is more than all that tangible stuff you could mention. It is really just that feel you get when you get behind the wheel and actually start driving.

For me, the same logic applies to OS X. Personal preference.

What games and simulatord can you play on a Mac?

What engine tuning software can you run on a Mac?

What dyno software can you run on a Mac?

What lap timing/performance managing software can you run on a Mac?

What commercial data overlay/video overlay/engine managment software can you run ona Mac?

***crickets chirping***

That's what I thought.. :P

I don't use or need any of that stuff you mention. So what's your point? :bah:



You don't - but tens of millions of other people do.. ;)

[SFDMALEX]

I don't use or need any of that stuff you mention. So what's your point? :bah:


That us PC users enjoy "computing".


Look, I can do everything an OSX equipped mac can do, and then some. Actually more like 3 times of what your mac can do.

[ae86_16v]

I don't use or need any of that stuff you mention. So what's your point? :bah:


That us PC users enjoy "computing".


Look, I can do everything an OSX equipped mac can do, and then some. Actually more like 3 times of what your mac can do.

And you could drive from point A to B in a Civic too and 3x faster w/ a Jackson Racing Supercharger. I just prefer my M3 that's all.

can you overclock a mac?

while using temp software to judge the melting point of your video processor?

while tweeking memory timings to make sure you can run battlefield 2 on full resolution everything maxed and not crash while loading the map?


if so. ok, i have no gripes about mac. (didn't they invent the computer or something?) but going proprietary when you know your competitor (even though its a stolen design) has a more comercially viable product.

if apply would have stayed neck and neck with microsoft this whole time instead of trying their own thing.


we would ALL have better pcs and macs.

Yes to all of the above. Well, I guess that is another discussion all together about going proprietary and what not.

[RC45]

Let's see you do this witha Mac.. ;)

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137065926/Exploding_Computer_Processors

[nejcdolinsek]

Let's see you do this witha Mac.. ;)

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137065926/Exploding_Computer_Processors

AHHAHAHAHHA Thats great :D

[cooperluke]

It's fake... processors don't explode...

Specially the P4, that does thermal shutdown, or reduces speed until temperature goes down.

[exhausted mules]

der iza hoole inza moderbooard!

lol

[evoWalo]

Cause Intel got its act together. Intel's Pentium M technology & chips derived from the Israeli teams (ie Intel Core Duo/Solo) effort made Intel chips competitive again.

Check out anand's preview on the Yonah chips for more info.

Seeming you know a lot of PCs this shouldnt be news to you. ;)
So now Intel is great and a year ago it was shit....

You mac boys...cheating judases

[evoWalo]

No, all wrong I'm afraid. What will happen is rabid fanboys will be forced to admit that mac hardware is shit :wink:
Yes all Intel hardware is shit. ;)

Apart from being untrue, the key word there is 'stock'. That's the point of a pc. Its customizability, its malleability.
You cant customize the kernel of Windows which 90% of the world uses. Linux, probably. Windows, no way.

I don't know where you get the idea that yonah is somehow 'for mac.' Yes, it is better than apples proprietary hardware. It will also be used primarily on the pc architecture. Viiv, anyone? And whatever you may say, Apple didn't just choose intel chips because they thought "hey, what's the best thing we can do for our customers?" Because if they did that, this move would have been made a long time ago. They did this because they are trying desperately to get out of the proprietary hole they dug for themselves

Apple doesnt own PowerPC so it isnt 'apples proprietary hardware'. Viiv isnt a 'chip' like Yonah it's more of a platform like 'Centrino'.

Apple couldnt move to Intel cause there wasnt any reason too until Yonah came out. Hard numbers convinced Apple to move from PowerPC to x86.

Intel technology is still proprietary as PowerPC. ;)



And If I was EL PRESIDENTE, anyone who used a mac without a good reason would be imprisoned for life :) And the only good reason is "I'm too stupid/computer illiterate/luddite to use anything else" :wink:Good thing we got people like RC to keep people like you out of office. ;)

[evoWalo]

can you overclock a mac?
Yes you can. It isnt alien technology.

while using temp software to judge the melting point of your video processor?

Yes there is.

while tweeking memory timings to make sure you can run battlefield 2 on full resolution everything maxed and not crash while loading the map?

Try google. ;)

if so. ok, i have no gripes about mac. (didn't they invent the computer or something?) but going proprietary when you know your competitor (even though its a stolen design) has a more comercially viable product.

They popularized the concept of Personal Computers & the Graphic User Interface. Every technolgoy Apple got is properly licensed and compensated for which cant be said with Microsoft which had to get sued and then settled after a long & drawn out legal battle.


if apply would have stayed neck and neck with microsoft this whole time instead of trying their own thing.

Apple Computer was created to make the best computers possible for their customers. Microsoft's goal was to make software that would be prevailent in all computers.

we would ALL have better pcs and macs.Apple being as big as Microsoft would make Macs as worse as PCs. No competition makes monopolies lazy. Microsoft having Apple allive lets it innovate without a much larger R&D budget.

[evoWalo]

That us PC users enjoy "computing".


Look, I can do everything an OSX equipped mac can do, and then some. Actually more like 3 times of what your mac can do.
if you mean by 'computing' is malware, viruses, spyware, crashes, BSoD, etc etc then my goodness I'm happy with my Mac.

If instability, insecurity & ugly are things I cant do with a Mac then great. :)

[evoWalo]

Let's see you do this witha Mac.. ;)

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137065926/Exploding_Computer_Processors
That's the 4th thing you cant do with a Mac. Thanks for the link RC. ;)

[evoWalo]

Apple already released OS X that works with x86. I've been toying around with it a few months ago.

Yeah - WIntel have only had - what a 20 year lead now :P ;)Less legacy code to exorcise from the OS. ;)

[Overmind]

It's fake... processors don't explode...

Specially the P4, that does thermal shutdown, or reduces speed until temperature goes down.

It sure looks so, I remember the old tomshardware video, where they also removed heatsinks and none of CPUs exploded.

[exhausted mules]

thanks evo.

i'll just stick to my pc for now.

It offers more to me than what the mac can.

[ae86_16v]

Now with 2.16GHz ($2800), 2.0GHz ($2500), and 1.83GHz ($2000) processors. Not too shaby at all.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/feb/14macbookpro.html