Good ol' W. Bush...

[deth]

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[twboy1999]

lol
he got owneddd


is it photoshop?

[deth]

i really dont think so...he's done pretty stupid things ie. falling off the segway :lol:

[robruf]

Remember Americans, this is your leader, don'tyouwish know that Clinton was back in office, fucking his interns, instead of this guy falling off a Segway, Clinton's only fault is that he liked to fuck bigger ladies,andthey had to have a an inquest into it. It is the only place in the world where they give you all the freedom you want and then have the most strict rules about everything. Let me give you an example, you cannot even go into a liquor store in Massachusettes or Vermont without ID even if you are not buying the beer or liquor. I was 26 at the time and my younger brother was buying beer at a store and they would not let him have the beer unitl I went back out to my car and get my ID, how fucked up is that? I love travelling in the USA, the people are great, but the rules suck.

[GT-R_R34]

but the rules suck.
tell me about it.

anyways those pics are great. Owned big time.

[graywolf624]

Remember Americans, this is your leader, don'tyouwish know that Clinton was back in office, fucking his interns, instead of this guy falling off a Segway, Clinton's only fault is that he liked to fuck bigger ladies,andthey had to have a an inquest into it. It is the only place in the world where they give you all the freedom you want and then have the most strict rules about everything. Let me give you an example, you cannot even go into a liquor store in Massachusettes or Vermont without ID even if you are not buying the beer or liquor. I was 26 at the time and my younger brother was buying beer at a store and they would not let him have the beer unitl I went back out to my car and get my ID, how fucked up is that? I love travelling in the USA, the people are great, but the rules suck.


First off those pics are photoshopped. Second off, I have tryed to keep out of politics here, but your giving me little choice.


Clinton: Ok there is so much wrong with this statement it isn't even funny. Ok, he lied to a grand jury(in a case where he was being tried for sexual harassment no less. Are you telling me that if you whipped it out or were accused of so doing in front of your subordinate at work, that in the ensuing trial if you lied to the court you wouldn't go to jail? Do you not think argueing the definition of is enters the realm of slightly slimey?). He was involved in a savings and loan scandal. He wrecked the white house when he left it. He was accused of sexual assault and harassment. He used fbi files to track his opponents. He used the lincoln bedroom for financial accrument. The man was a slime, and he did 0 for this country. Effective legislation of Clinton.. 0. Thats just the ones off the top of my head, if you knew the extent of controversy surrounding the man it would make your head spin.

Bush: I think he is smarter then you give him credit for. All politicians make mistakes in speechs. Your ability as a public speaker has nothing to do with your intelligence (his actions up till this point in his administration have been fairly intelligent. He is perhaps one of the closest to middle of the road politicians we have ever had, and has one of the highest approval ratings of any president.). Furthermore, which is better? A liar like Clinton, or someone that has difficulty lieing because he is not as slick.

I won't even venture into the true political aspect. I am neither a Bush supporter or hater. That being said, Clinton did more to contribute to the moral degredation of our society then any other president. But keep believing it was just cause he is an adulter.

As for the rules thing. You can thank Clinton and the democrats for that. They felt we needed protection from the kids after columbine. Apparently good old fashion parenting isn't good enough. That being said, we still have more rights then almost any other country. We can say whatever we want about our government, Can go anywhere within our country, can own guns, don't have to get most of our hard earned money taken in taxes (it's high but we are still one of the lowest), don't have our gas taxed to death, ect.

As for my political leanings, they are exactly opposite from almost any european country so I will keep my mouth shut. Smaller federal governments is not the popular trend it once was.:(

*you hit the hot button. Making a joke is one thing, believing our president is an idiot and that Clinton was great was a whole other. Especially considering the recent moronic words of certain london mayors, not to mention the french. (which make this go from good natured ribbing to something a tad over the top. For those who don't know, apparently the mayor of london thinks bush is "the biggest threat to the world, possibly ever". I guess those guys hitler, Saddam, Stalin, and Osama Bin Laden are not as scary as a man who has cut taxes and brought about a war that liberated people. It is biased ignorance like this that has turned this from a good natured rib to disgusting for me.

[666fast]

cannot even go into a liquor store in Massachusettes or Vermont without ID even if you are not buying the beer or liquor. I was 26 at the time and my younger brother was buying beer at a store and they would not let him have the beer unitl I went back out to my car and get my ID, how fucked up is that? I


They do that everywhere in the states as far as I know. I don't know if you are aware of the penalties for selling a minor alcohol. Lets just say, they'll screw you big time. Also, liqour licenses are very expensive. A Liquor shop can't make money if it can't sell it's goods!

As for the Segway, lots of people have fallen on them. Apparently, if the battery loses power, you are going down.

As for Bush, I don't care for him. I hope he isn't elected again!

[Kangaroo Boy]

^^ SAME, But I hope American Government stop controlling our Government once bush is gone.Like,we don't need your Star Wars Missel base here.We where once a country that was never going to be bombed by islam extremis.Now we are a target,.Plus,Bush stuff up with the Whole War in iraq.Its place American Economy in a Financial crisis.Our dollars is worth 71 cents US but before the war our dollar was worth 59 cents US.And every day some Marine Dies in Iraq..Really,I think bush won't be back after the next election.

[stracing]

now its 73c. theres a possibility it'll go upto 80c pretty soon.

but now its our turn to live like kings (well sorta) in the US.

[Kangaroo Boy]

I hope DC shoe prices go down,I need a new pair.

[stradale]

I think Bush makes mistakes during a speech or deliberation a lot more often than othere politicians. There's a site with all the 'Bushisms' listed. It's http://www.politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms2002.htm. They filled so many pages with his dumb remarks...

Just a random selection.
"I think the American people — I hope the American — I don't think, let me — I hope the American people trust me." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002

"The trial lawyers are very politically powerful. … But here in Texas we took them on and got some good medical — medical malpractice." —George W. Bush, Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

"Do you have blacks, too?" —George W. Bush, to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Nov. 8, 2001, as reported in an April 28, 2002, Estado Sao Pauloan column by Fernando Pedreira, a close friend of President Cardoso

"I was proud the other day when both Republicans and Democrats stood with me in the Rose Garden to announce their support for a clear statement of purpose: you disarm, or we will." —George W. Bush, speaking about Saddam Hussein, Manchester, N.H., Oct. 5, 2002

These are just a couple out of hundreds. I also remember a great one. When speaking to Tony Blair about the economical situation in France he actually said: "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepeneur." It must have been very difficult for Blair not to burst out laughing.

[graywolf624]

".Its place American Economy in a Financial crisis"

Actualy our economy was in trouble long before the war, and is actually comming back out now. (If they are contributed to anyone they are contributed to Clinton. Economics have a lag, and our problems appeared in 2000. Thus if anyone did it that was president it was clinton. That being said, our president has little to do with the economy, so in reality you can only blame the federal reserve or life) The effects of the war, if contributing to any part of our economy, is contributing to our economic revival.

As for the bushism, search for stuff by gore, dan quail, heck even Clinton. The only reason you hear about Bush is the liberals hate him. Still yet again, public speaking has as much to do with intelligence as winning the lottery.

"up with the Whole War in iraq"
Maybe he wouldn't have if france and the rest of the UN had actually done something to help. He isn't controling your country either. No country does something because the US says, so get that rhetoric out of your head.

I really hate the ignorance that is portrayed on this subject by almost everyone(not even talking about you guys particularly, how often do I hear these lines of thinking. aka Bush caused the economic collapse(false), bush foobared iraq(false), bush is stupid(unsubstantiated), ect). So many people blame him for things that have nothing to do with him. If you want to criticize him, at least focus on what he has done. (Pass a late term abortion ban, decrease taxes, attempt to increase help for senior citizens health care including a prescriptions bill similar to you europeans socialist health care(of the previous the one I am most against), ignore the UN to go into Iraq, pass the patriot act(unknown how much it really takes our rights away), ect). Quit focusing on complete bs and learn the facts before you develop an opinion.

[Kangaroo Boy]

Well its the second Time that America Tried to Liberated iraq.And the second time isn't going as good as George Bush Jr and his party expected it to go.How can the Iraqi people Trust America after the Gulf war.
Nope,he is black mailing our country,its a simple fact that John Howard is a Puppet of the American Goverment..Its either,Do you surpport Terrorism?.IF so,your counted as a threat to the USA and that you surpport Terrorism and harvest extremis.IF you don't surpport Terrorism,Therefore you have to fight against it and get rid of it.If you don't your surpporting Terrorism.
The UN,George Bush has broken International Law.Gone to war without surpport of UN Approval.
More Americans are starting to loose Faith with this war.
You guys live next Door to Canada and Mexico.Australia Next Door Neighbours is Idonesia,The worlds biggest population of Muslim.So far,Australia has pissed them off big time,It won't be long someone gets in the country and tries to blow something big up.Where will George Bush and his party be when that happends?

[graywolf624]

Well its the second Time that America Tried to Liberated iraq.And the second time isn't going as good as George Bush Jr and his party expected it to go.How can the Iraqi people Trust America after the Gulf war.
Nope,he is black mailing our country,its a simple fact that John Howard is a Puppet of the American Goverment..Its either,Do you surpport Terrorism?.IF so,your counted as a threat to the USA and that you surpport Terrorism and harvest extremis.IF you don't surpport Terrorism,Therefore you have to fight against it and get rid of it.If you don't your surpporting Terrorism.
The UN,George Bush has broken International Law.Gone to war without surpport of UN Approval.
More Americans are starting to loose Faith with this war.
You guys live next Door to Canada and Mexico.Australia Next Door Neighbours is Idonesia,The worlds biggest population of Muslim.So far,Australia has pissed them off big time,It won't be long someone gets in the country and tries to blow something big up.Where will George Bush and his party be when that happends?

Bull crap. Did it ever cross your mind that your government might think that the war on Iraq is a good idea? That black mail thing is bs, you don't see us invading France. That arguement is simply rhetoric. Also apparently you know nothing about the gulf war. The gulf war wasnt about liberating iraq. The intention was never to overthrow saddam. It was to oust him from Kuwait. Hey look, they did that and then they finnished. So horrible, this time they go to over throw saddam and they do. This time they liberate the Iraqi people, yet another good thing.

The UN, all I have to do is laugh. They wouldn't go to war if they were being attacked. (see france, Germany has to invade them before they go to war. ) They are a worthless organization and wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the US. They set rules and then don't enforce them. I have no problem telling them to stuff it.

But apparently our allies were with us because we black mailed them. Sure.. thats believable. So far all you've said is rhetoric. That your people would be unhappy if you didnt combat terrorism. Oh wow, so basically your people believe that iraq was a terroristic threat. Is that Americas fault, hells no.

Take responsibility for your own countries actions! I'm sick and tired of the worlds recent inclination to blame someone else(on the country and personal level). You are there because your government agrees. Take it up with them, not the US.

Please people, at least research before you make claims. Saying that the gulf war had anything to do with outsting saddam or the Iraqi people is just plain uninformed.

"More Americans are starting to loose Faith with this war. "

And your basis for such a comment comes from where? Certainly not polls, which have Bush with a better approval rating then the last 4 presidents. Also certainly not public opinion, unless you watch the liberal anti bush media. The middle of the road groups almost entirely support him. That is the liberals biggest problem, they are scared because for the first time Bush has their supporters backing him.

As for if bombers hit Australia, I bet the US would be by your side to help with aide. Who spends the most on foreign aide? I'll give you a hint... U...S...

[TT]

The UN, all I have to do is laugh. They wouldn't go to war if they were being attacked


Hehe, you can laugh at it as much as you want, but if only all the nations of the world would think like that, the world would be a better place ;)

I'd like to argument a little more since I live in a "neutral" country and for sure we see things under a different perspective, but my english is really not up to the task... I don't know if the last intervention in IRAQ is good or bad or whatever.. sure Saddam was not really a nice guy, aka known as asshole, but when I see so many iraqui ppl pissed off beucause they love Saddam and they don't want help from outside all their shit.. well... I wonder if it will be really worth the time... I know many also want peace and democraty, but still there is to much ignorance there IMO (and I hope not to offend anybody)... many of them just need a strong hand guiding them and they don't give a fuck about democracy... NOBODY will every start such a big and bloody ordeal just to liberate ppl that keeps throwing shit at you at your God and so on... of course if the idea of controlling the zone (and the petrol in it, we can't deny it) is appealing enough to justify the effort. I'm curious to see what will be the situation in Iraq in 5 years...

That said, I'm not sure all the fault is on Bush shoulders... it's not up to a single man to start a war these days (luckily). And I'll stop here because speaking of Clinton compared to Bush I could say at least he was a nice and funny person :D and everybody will remember him when he was unable to stop laughing like a dumbass in several occasions :D.. I know a president is not a clown, but he is a cool guy IMO...

[graywolf624]

"but when I see so many iraqui ppl pissed off beucause they love Saddam and they don't want help from outside all their shit.. wel"

We also regularly see pics of the people happy to be free here. So it's not clear sided over there. Time will tell, I feel we can't judge the situation till it is said and done.

That being said, well stated.

[Kangaroo Boy]

Please people, at least research before you make claims. Saying that the gulf war had anything to do with outsting saddam or the Iraqi people is just plain uninformed.

"More Americans are starting to loose Faith with this war. "

And your basis for such a comment comes from where? Certainly not polls, which have Bush with a better approval rating then the last 4 presidents.

As for if bombers hit Australia, I bet the US would be by your side to help with aide. Who spends the most on foreign aide? I'll give you a hint... U...S...
Give me another 48hours,I'll give you more info on this subject,this is all coming off my head.Its not bad for a person that failed History and English in high school.

[graywolf624]

First of all there havnt been found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that was one of the heaviest arguments for this war.
There have been lying from the US on things that have happened in the war to get support for it (pow`s).
You said that the gulf war wasnt to get rid of Saddam and thats true it was to protect the oil fields,not liberate Kuwait, that is just a side effect of saving the flow of oil.
And Oil is what this last war is all about to, you "graywolf624" dont give a fuck about the Iraqi people, as long as you get cheap gas, and low taxes.

You also say that no country does anything just cuz the US says so, well I dont think Blair would have gone in on it if Bush and his administration hadnt pushed so hard as they did, cuz if you havent noticed its not like all the English people support this Oil robbery from the US.
The US never do anything if its not to look after their own interests, so dont give us this propaganda that your government feeds you, and you swallow with out thinking.
It will be nice to see in 5-10 years when its over and there are investigations on coruption after the war with who got contracts in Iraq, and who they know and who gave them.

When did they lie about pows? Funny I dont remember that.
Some other points, no the war wasn't over weapons of mass destruction it was over the fact that we felt Iraq was a threat to our national security. (Heck, there still may be wmd found in Iraq). Whether this worked or was legit, well thats your opinion. The US and it's people truly fear threat from Iraq.
As for gulf war, you are wrong. Our ally Saudi Arabia asked us to come over there and protect them. They also asked us to return stability to the region by freeing Kuwait.

I have to ask you something straight up. If it were all about oil, don't you think we would have just claimed some of this terretory for ourselves, rather then continue paying for it. At the moment we are still doing that with Iraq. We have done that all along.
So what has Bush stollen. Where is the tech that we have taken any of their oil. PROVE IT! In fact, we want to rebuild the country and leave. This is what we are working on, whether it is done correctly lies on your political stance and what happens in the future. Basing your research on what may come to pass does not prove anything.

Ok, first off, nothing is ever done without your own interest. There is no such thing as an unselfish act. But lets look at our aide: ethipiopia, troops in bosnia, ect. I fail to see the major benefits.

I love the assumptions of corrution without any proof. Can you at least provide something with some basis in proof.


For the record, I wasn't in favor of the attack on iraq. That being said, I really wish you would look at fact rather then just blindly following rhetoric. I am also not a Bush supporter. Frankly though, I see so much poor research going on that I have to come to the defense. Do some research, and no the socialist propoganda book does not count as research.

[graywolf624]

"Ther was a incident in the start of the war,and if you try to remember something else than propaganda then maybe you will remember this too. "

Still no proof, just words.

"Yes Saudi asked you as you said, but you would never have done it if it wasnt for oil, and how should it return stabilety to the region with just getting saddam out of Kuwait, he was still there, and the presence of your troops in Saudi are the reason the trade center went down too, so that was a great call by your government not to pull your troops out when you had got Saddam out.
And to answer your question abot claiming terretory for yourself, you probably would if you tought you could get away with it. "

So lets see, you are basing your entire arguement on what you think someone is thinking rather then what has actually happened or been said. That is a dangerous game you are playing my friend. Under that I could suggest that your whole arguement is based on the fact that you wish to push your agenda and is a complete fabrication because you hate capitalism. I don't believe that, and perhaps you should consider that before you make assumptions.


"And to say that the US gives the most in Aid is not true either you got to compare it to how much is given compared to how many people lives in the country.
"
Actually, we gave much more then any other country even per capita.

"For the coruption topic dont you find it a bit strange that halliburton get contracts in Iraq with out other companies being able to bid on it?
"

Actually, they looked into that and proved it wasn't as sinister as other people thought.


"Ther was a incident in the start of the war,and if you try to remember something else than propaganda then maybe you will remember this too. "

Still nothing at all about this so called incident. It never happened.

"And you are screaming in every post about facts behind our claims maybe you should do that on some of the things you claim to?"

Fine here we go:

American Economic crisis:(oh and I am an economics minor, so dont even try to argue on this front). http://money.cnn.com/2001/11/26/economy/recession/
started march 2001. Long before the Iraqi war. Improving economy in America: http://openhere.com/current/1118867985.stm

Reasons for gulf war: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001293.html
Acqusations and convictions against clinton and his regime: http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Clinton_Scandals/

approval rating of george bush: http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/13/elec04.poll.bush/

Reasons for war in iraq national security, read the original war decleration speech.


No where is your proof we have oil derricks there or have gotten any special treatment with respect to oil?

Your whole arguement so far has been, they are acting this way because... And you are basing the decision to believe this not on their actions or their words, but on some deep seated bias. Good grief man, wake up! I'm not even for the war. I haven't once said your wrong for being against the war or for not liking bush. All I have said is your underlying reasons are wrong. They have no basis in fact. The stuff I have given you does.

IF you are against the war, argue that the security threat wasn't as big as we percieved. IF you are against bush actually attack one of his policies. Don't spout off false things like the war caused the economy to go bad or we went to war in the gulf to gain control of oil. We don't and we never will have control of oil. You are just falling further and further into rhetoric, and I feel bad you don't see it. I personally don't like Bush, he is to socialist. But that is me. I wouldn't resort to, oh he said a few things screwy in a speech either. Absolutly nothing I have said is trying to place thoughts into the heads of others. Everything I have said, is based on what actually was said and (this is what is important) WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!

[graywolf624]

oh and for the, bushisms are horrible. We have goreisms:

For al gore:
"I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people."

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child."

"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts."

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change."

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared.'"

"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

"The future will be better tomorrow."

"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world."

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history."

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a *part* of Europe."

"Public speaking is very easy."

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat."

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."

"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame.

"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it."

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."

"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Al Gore may or may not make."

"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made."

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."

Look up clintonism for the difference between slimey and poor public speaker.

[graywolf624]

Do me a favor everyone. Take some time to do a little research on these things. Ignore what you have been told to think and ignore what you think someones inner motivations are, and look at what has actually transpired and what has been said. Then you can develop how you feel about the situation in the correct manner. That has been my point. As I said before, I don't necessarily believe in the war, but it truly bothers me to see someone blindly establish an opinion without knowing the facts.

[TT]

BTW, I know hot discussions can build some strong friendship or relationships and JW is a pretty "free" space, but let's try not to go to far :) (just in case) ;)

BTW, "strange" to see such discussion into "jokes & humor" ;)

[graywolf624]

BTW, "strange" to see such discussion into "jokes & humor"


I always say politics is one big joke:)
I'm done, as long as people are actually bothering to look into the research I have reached my goal in this discussion. Whether they agree enters the realm of opinion which is less important. So no fears about too far here.

[Jabba]

First of all there havnt been found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that was one of the heaviest arguments for this war.

And Oil is what this last war is all about too.



They have found and removed two weapons of mass destruction Uday and Qusay Hussein and captured chemical Ali responsible for the gassing of 5000 Kurds. Think how many innocent Iraqi's will not die in the future as a result of that alone.

We are not doing the Oil conspiracy theory here so I am locking this one.