View Full Version : F**k Micro$haft, XBox360, Game Publishers and Resellers...
We went XBox360 shopping today - I have a chance to purchase a $399.00 setup, for - well $399.00.
But first we went off on a mission to "try before we buy" - to see what the new titles are ike tec etc etc.
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Well - new policy supposedly came down from Micro$haft, GameStop Cprp, EB Games Corp etc etc etc.
No opening of ANY XBox 360 titles unless sold.
Not even for in store demos or in stor display
WTF is up with that?
I never bought a PS2 or XBox game that wasn't first cracked open, placed in the in-store console and tried out for a bit...
Or, the stores would have a couple game consoles setup with games all ready to sample.
Well - e tried 5 GameSTops 4 EB Games and a Replay (or somthing like that) game store..... NONE are allowed to open or otherwise show XBox 360 titles - unless you buy it first.
Bottom line....
Fuck these publishers, vendors and resellers....
I will buy the entire kit used from someone at a later date - they are not getting my money for new purchases again.
How stupid - XBox 360 is supposed to be the hottests thing since Pam Andersons tits, and you cnnot play an in-store demo of PGR3 unless you pay for it first.
What a load of crap.
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Anonymous
12-10-2005, 06:25 PM
Apparently its for insurance reasons, several stores have burnt down already
This might not be technically true
ZfrkS62
12-10-2005, 06:38 PM
apparently Wal-Mart is exempt from this as i the one right by my apartment has one out for demo play. But that has gotto be the most retarded policy i have ever heard. there's no way this isgoing to help sales any.
5vz-fe
12-10-2005, 06:47 PM
http://www.xboxoverheating.com
:lol: :lol: :lol:
apparently Wal-Mart is exempt from this as i the one right by my apartment has one out for demo play. But that has gotto be the most retarded policy i have ever heard. there's no way this isgoing to help sales any.
Wirth what titles?
All the demo play systems we saw today have the "Demo Apps/Games" crap loaded.
In fact, at EB Games, only managers (which are not on duty Saturday) have the key to the locked XBox360 display case, so you cannot even change the games even if you DID buy one to try.
;)
Try before you buy is non-existing here...
GT4 was sold out the day it was released (not quite - but almost) and every game store in creatin had at least one PS2 turned on and steup with GT4 in all it's glory available for people to do a few laps...
Then they woudl walk otu with their own copy - all happy and pleased.
This XBox360 shit is rather the opposite - it's so good I guess, you will just buy it and every title - no need for instore games to even be available to play :P hehe
But you can still have your way with new PS2 and XBox titles... just not XBox360.
What a bunch of maroooons.
ZfrkS62
12-10-2005, 07:05 PM
apparently Wal-Mart is exempt from this as i the one right by my apartment has one out for demo play. But that has gotto be the most retarded policy i have ever heard. there's no way this isgoing to help sales any.
Wirth what titles?
All the demo play systems we saw today have the "Demo Apps/Games" crap loaded.
In fact, at EB Games, only managers (which are not on duty Saturday) have the key to the locked XBox360 display case, so you cannot even change the games even if you DID buy one to try.
;)
Brothers in Arms: Earned in Blood
FPS are really best left to PC"s anyway... and isn't that just a regular XBox title?
sentra_dude
12-10-2005, 07:41 PM
That's a lame ass policy by Microsoft. :roll:
Speaking of, has anyone played PGR:3? The graphics seem really impressive, and I read they have done a lot of work getting the cars to sound like the real thing, but I wonder how it plays...?
That's a lame ass policy by Microsoft. :roll:
..., has anyone played PGR:3? .... but I wonder how it plays...?
EXACTLY!!!!!... ;)
exhausted mules
12-10-2005, 08:02 PM
there's allready a business in the "try it before you buy it" deal.
its called the "rental business"
a comercial store like wallmart and eb just sell games. they aren't supposed to let ppl test drive goods.
just imagine. its saturday 5pm. there is customer/employee ratio of 5:1
minimum.
and a quarter of those ppl want to try a game before they buy it.
heh.
no fucking way that's gonna happen.
microsoft putting this restriction in place is smart. they are just protecting their investment.
you want to to try a game before buying it?
go rent it.
SFDMALEX
12-10-2005, 08:33 PM
Odd, I dont know of "Try before you buy" In Canukistan. Usualy when a big game is out they have it on an instore console but afaik you just cant pick any random game and ask them to put it on...cause honestly every kid would do that and all the games would be open.
Indeed, I don't see the fuss. For sure around here if you walk in a store and ask to test a random game they'll laugh at you. As said, there are rentals for this and if everybody would need to test a game before buying, every store would need like 10 consoles with ppl working on this all day long.
It's normal to have 2 or 3 consoles with the latest big hits available to be used, but that's it. (and in town every VG store has various Xbox360 used for this tast)
What surprises me is that so far you never had problems with this strange request LOL
ZfrkS62
12-10-2005, 08:47 PM
FPS are really best left to PC"s anyway... and isn't that just a regular XBox title?
i don't think so. I'll check the comercial next time i see it. If it wasn't BiA it was another WW2 FPS, ut it was undoubtedly the 360 as it was sitting in plain view behind the display case, and the graphics were fuckin CLEAN
OK - obviously everyone is just being obtuse here.
As a matter of fact and practice, EB Games, and Gamestop have ALWAYS had consoles configured and hooked up with some of the latest greatest titles inserted and ready for "try before you buy".
Perhaps in all your backwards ass hick towns the game stores are so small that the idea of having 3 or consoles hooked up to TV's for people to try and play them is a foreign concept... but around these parts it is not :)
In fact there has always been at least 1 open copy of EVERY new game lcoked up behind the counter - and you simply ask "How about putting place title here into the system - I heard it's great".
And then in it oges, youmuck about with it for 5 minutes - and walk out with your purchased copy.
Try before you buy as "rent concept" is all very well if you plan on renting it. But if you plan on buying it... it's a new hit, it's inserted in the demo console and there for people to try and get incented to buy it.
PGR 3 is a latet hot hit - to have many other titles in the deom XBox360 but NOT have that title is plain stupid.
And to back me up, every other adult person I interacted with in the various stores was of the same opinion. If they are not willing to put the latest hot title in the demo system, they are being stupid.
I am so looking forward to PS3 sales just squashing this whole XBox concept flat once and for all. ;)
Indeed, I don't see the fuss. For sure around here if you walk in a store and ask to test a random game they'll laugh at you. As said, there are rentals for this and if everybody would need to test a game before buying, every store would need like 10 consoles with ppl working on this all day long.
Not at all - this was always one of the great things about GameStop - being able to ask to check out a new title - hell they even ahad return policy if you think the game sucks the day you take it home.
They noramlly had at least one open copy of each game anyway, so you just had that open title put in the console - otherwise it gets opened, becomes an instore open title (that can still be sold) and you see it hooked up.
I had a numebr of discussions with a regional manager who noted that obscure title sales atually increased when the title was set up and displayed... ;)
It's normal to have 2 or 3 consoles with the latest big hits available to be used, but that's it. (and in town every VG store has various Xbox360 used for this tast)
What surprises me is that so far you never had problems with this strange request LOL
Why would I have problems with an acepted practice.. :) And besides, there are probably 100 game shops in Houston, they need to differentiate themselves to attract customers ;)
FPS are really best left to PC"s anyway... and isn't that just a regular XBox title?
i don't think so. I'll check the comercial next time i see it. If it wasn't BiA it was another WW2 FPS, ut it was undoubtedly the 360 as it was sitting in plain view behind the display case, and the graphics were fuckin CLEAN
I am not doubting that it was in an XBox360 - I am just wondering if it wasn't an XBox title in a 360 .
SFDMALEX
12-10-2005, 08:59 PM
FPS are really best left to PC"s anyway... and isn't that just a regular XBox title?
i don't think so. I'll check the comercial next time i see it. If it wasn't BiA it was another WW2 FPS, ut it was undoubtedly the 360 as it was sitting in plain view behind the display case, and the graphics were fuckin CLEAN
Pffff man, do you want to see some of my FarCry screens? :wink: No console will ever look as good.
Well, it still sounds just weird for me... I mean, probably over there you have HUGE stores who can just open a tons of games and wait for ppl to ask for a test, btu around here it wouldn't be doable.
And to be honest, to me it's like walking into a supermarket and as to taste everything before deciding to buy. Sipping some soda, making them cook some cow bits while somebody prepares some boiling water for the pasta, puts a pizza in a owen...
^^ Not even a close comparison.
Anyway - has ANYONE seen a store with the demo system with PGR3 in it?
I mean the demo disc has some crappy games on it... but has anyone seen PGR3 being demoed? ;)
nthfinity
12-10-2005, 09:13 PM
That's a lame ass policy by Microsoft. :roll:
..., has anyone played PGR:3? .... but I wonder how it plays...?
EXACTLY!!!!!... ;)
if it plays exactly the same as PGR 2... with improved graphics/ sound... then it would be worth it to me... i mean... i thought the epansion packs for PGR2 were worth thier 5$ :-D
that said.... im not going to be buying an Xbox 360 for some time... and when i do... i'll try and work my magic again to buy one for WELL BELOW cost ;) besides...the only games im looking forward to at the moment are Halo 3, and PGR3....
that leaves the PS3... only one game im currently looking forward to, GT5 :lol:
on topic on micro$h4f7..... well, thats utter, and total shit... unless microsoft knew that the heat generated by all the CPU's/GPUs/ram would be too much for the power supply to handle keeping its own cool... i havent yet seen a Demo xbox 360 overheated... and, im not saying its because they are all 'good' versions ... just less demanding on the hardware :idea:
ZfrkS62
12-10-2005, 09:20 PM
TT- The reason behind it is, that with today's ripping technlogy, you can't return a game or dvd if you don't like it. not ven for store credit, you have to sell it back to them as a previouly played game for like 5 bucks. So it's really more beneficial for a store to allow you to demo the game before buying it.
Well, I partially agree, but there never was the opportunity to test DVDs and such, and there too, if you don't like the movie you are fucked. I mean, there is a part of risk when buying such things, but with the net and such, today we can read if we want, thousands of reviews, tests, preview to build a general idea about the game/movie/whatever. Of course this can't always save you from buying something you don't like in the end, but same goes for a VG you tested like 5 min in a crowded store while standing still, unable to hear the sounds coming from "your" TV...
PS3 and GT5, Enthusia 2, Riding Spirits 3, Tourist Trphy 2... ;)
XBox360 and Forza2, PGR3 and perhaps SegaGT360 or something.. :)
I don't realy know if there is anything else worth while.. ;)
Any word on a proper decent funcitonal force-feeback wheel for the XBox360 yet?
exhausted mules
12-11-2005, 02:28 AM
rentals ppl...
its not a new concept.
lol.
rentals ppl...
its not a new concept.
lol.
You still don't get it... game rentals have been around for decades... this is not the issue.
The issue is having one of the premiere launch titles available as part of the demo suite where the demo consoles are setup.
THAT is the point.
6 obscure and little known titles setup for random use does not showboat one of the most expensive and supposade capable consoles ever sold.
The idea of not having every XBox360 setup with PGR3 and may Madden2006 or whatever is quite stupid.
That is the point of this entire thread...
Afterall, if you haven't bought the console yet, then a rental is not much use - is it.
exhausted mules
12-11-2005, 05:33 AM
you can rent the console at any blockbuster.
and i'm sure you weren't thinking of just the premiere titles at the begining of this thread.
jon_s
12-11-2005, 07:17 AM
I have seen it demoed in the shops. Not had a go myself, but watched someone else play for a bit. It looked impressive fx wise. Can't say on the game play :(
I don't know what shops are like elsewhere, but if you take GAME over here. The majority of game boxes are empty. They keep all the discs in a locked cupboard. You take the empty box to the counter and they go and find the bits and bobs.
I have to admit, I have never asked to demo a specific game. Mainly because the majority of best sellers can be found playing already. Having said that, I usually pop into the biggest store in the country as it is on my way home from work.
MAybe I will go and video it for you RC :lol:
Shinigami
12-11-2005, 08:20 AM
A local supermarket has a 360 system running PGR3. I would have liked to give it a go, but it was food shopping time and so I had no time to wait for the other guys to stop playing (which it seemed they were not ready to do anytime soon anyway).
But the game looked really nice, interesting blurring effects for passing trees and stuff like that.
you can rent the console at any blockbuster.
and i'm sure you weren't thinking of just the premiere titles at the begining of this thread.
And again - I didn't need to think about the premieretitles at the begining of the thread - although this thread was abotu the XBox360 and one of it's premiere titles..
There is reason why I have not bought many console driving games that plain sucked, is because as AL has pointed out... the disc from the empty containers on the shelf was popped into a console so we could see how badly the game sucked.. ;) -- or not :)
nthfinity
12-11-2005, 04:08 PM
^^^
i bought Burnout 3 on recomendation from others... and its perfectly the worst video game i've ever bought... if i had played it before i bought it, i would have another 38$
ZfrkS62
12-11-2005, 05:05 PM
^^ Maybe that's the one that was being played...
Daggernite
12-11-2005, 06:43 PM
Gamestation over here in Huddersfield has PGR3 running in store on the demo pod things they have. Also they have a TV on the counter playing the lastest games, GT4 and Halo2 was also running when they was released. Personally I think its stupid if you can't have a try before you buy, how its hurting anyone I dont know.
mindgam3
12-12-2005, 11:31 AM
hmmm we have demo consoles in the UK but the games they are playing are usually down to the shop and its not often they'll let you choose a game to play on it.
However, all the xbox 360 demo consoles i've seen have just been blank screens :?
bmagni
12-14-2005, 04:27 PM
well im not surprised, but i guess they could open one of each so you could try them, as simple as that... the only playable game ive seen is one of war at some target. and it wasnt the demo disc...
if it helps i played pgr3 and it was really good...
Sachmo12345
12-14-2005, 05:44 PM
the only playable demos i have seen which were at wal mart were Call Of Duty 2 and King Kong
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