for audiophiles...

[X-ale]

bestest clearest cleanest sound would be?! amp and speakers dont need to be same brand...

[SilverandColdS4]

um...ok be more specific. I know about car audio but I don't really know what your asking.

[deth]

price range? whats it going into?

[X-ale]

around 2~3K if i dont exagerate 2 much 8) i'm looking at audiobahn right now, 2 x A8002T amps (i know they're only 800 RMS 4ohms for the subs)+ 2 x 10" sub compression (1000 RMS very nice)+ 2 x ABC6002Q... and no i dont know how much those are... basicly i`m looking for the lowest range sub and the cleanest mid-range... power isnt much an issue since the speakers are gonna be real close

[deth]

i have a 250W ppi amp running a 10' sony xplod in a sealed box...its way under your budget, but dont let that fool you..i can take on much bigger/more expensive systems..its in a volvo v70xc so being in the open trunk helps a lot...

[X-ale]

OOhhh infinity 12 VQ subs go down 18Hz..

[deth]

if u're doing something crazy like that dont forget capacitors if u want long playing hard hitting bass!

[X-ale]

ooooh JBL subs go down 16 Hz :shock:

[SilverandColdS4]

dude if you want like clear clean bass your going to want to get ONE infinite kappa perfect sub in a custom fix box with the right amount of air volume. It needs to be factory sealed. Its a common misconception that you need two subs. for the amp I would go with rockford punch. um if you really want me to i can figure out all the wattage but im assuming you understand that. you going to want to get some good 6x9s probably some other smaller speaker and some tweeters. get the top of the line infinity for all of them. for the head unit i would get pioneer just because it always makes the interior speakers sound great plus its great quality. maybe get an organic one.

If you wanted earth shattering bass I would say get a JL W7 but you said clear bass so defiantely go with infinity.

[X-ale]

i like horns, so i`m going with image dynamics for speakers....till now:
subs: 2 x Image Dynamics ID MAX 10 v.3 D4 |1000W| $299.95/each
mids: 2x Image Dynamics CX54 |100W| $169.95/each pair
horns: 2 x Image Dynamics CD1PRO |100W| $449.95/each pair
tweets: 2 x Image Dynamics NX30 |100W| $119.95/each pair
+______________
1959.65 (till now i`m ok)
amps: ?!
capacitor: ?
will i have to ask te grrlfwiend fo mo do :?

[X-ale]

yo thx alot SilverandColdS4, will check infinity for sure now... i was checking the amps...seem like i`d need 5?? 2 monos for the subs and 3 multi for the rest...seems way too much... where am i gonna fit 'em?! under the seat fits 2 (2 seater) 1 in the glovebox and 2 in the trunk... dam i need a surround thingy too... well there goes my xmas presents: mom buy me an amp. dad, buy me a amp. honey buy me a amp, and your parents too!! :mrgreen:

[X-ale]

arent mid and horns the same range? yes, right? so i wont need mid... - 1 amp = honey buy me... buy yourself nice lingerie :D but your folks still have to buy me amps :lol:

[X-ale]

Ladies and pervs: the final list for approval->
subs: 2 x Infinity KAPPA PERFECT 10.1 |350W| $329.95 <- mom
horns: 2 x Image Dynamics CD1PRO |100W| $449.95 <- dad
tweets&mids: 2 x Infinity KAPPA PERFECT 5.1 |100W| $529.95 <- me
amps: 2 x rockford Punch 501X | $ 190.00 <- gf
2 x " Punch 401S | $135.00 <- future other mom
" Power 851X | $ 319.00 <- future other dad
Capacitor: ?! WTF is a farad..rrr...werks? | ??
Eq/Cross: any idea?
Surround: rockford RFQ5000 | $ 240.00
most price tags from:
http://www.infinitecaraudio.com

finally i got around this... and still in my range thanks to santa and my fans :) and my ride got hellaslower but i least it will sound dam good :D

[SilverandColdS4]

you dont need two subs your wasting money. its the volume of air in the box that determines how it hits and how it is sealed.

[SilverandColdS4]

Ladies and pervs: the final list for approval->
subs: 2 x Infinite KAPPA PERFECT 10.1 |350W| $329.95 <- mom
horns: 2 x Image Dynamics CD1PRO |100W| $449.95 <- dad
tweets&mids: 2 x Infinite KAPPA PERFECT 5.1 |100W| $529.95 <- me
amps: 2 x rockford Punch 501X | $ 190.00 <- gf
2 x " Punch 401S | $135.00 <- future other mom
" Power 851X | $ 319.00 <- future other dad
Capacitor: ?! WTF is a farad..rrr...werks? | ??
Eq: imagedynamics IDQ31SL (any better idea?) | $ 299.00
Cross: imagedynamics IDX24 (any better idea?) | $799.00 <- way xpensive shiznit, i think i`ll go for a 10 band..instead :(
Surround: rockford RFQ5000 | $ 240.00
most price tags from:
http://www.infinitecaraudio.com

finally i got around this... and still in my range thanks to santa and my fans :) and my ride got hellaslower but i least it will sound dam good :D

but over all this is a really good setup :D

[X-ale]

any suggestion for an eq/crossover apparatiusum?! i need 2 x 4 way stereo or 3 + 1 mono AND the eq, doesnt need to be all in 1 BUT does need to be at most around a K (1k) please!! Like 2 for a K not each (under :D )... i still need to buy shoes and stuff, oh and now i`ll have to get that lingerie... like freakin 200$ panties dam, 1 day i`ll ask for 100$ socks just to see what she comes up with hehehehe.... shit and then there's the Bra that HAS to match (color and pricey OF COURSE!)... Vive la Xmas... thank god it`s only once a year... :roll:

[SilverandColdS4]

most good amps have a built in crossover. if you are getting a rockford amp just get a rockford crossover if you want a separate one.

[X-ale]

thx :)

[SFDMALEX]

Sorry but why would you want a woofer that can pick up 16hz frequencies in a car? I understand if you want to build your own speakers for home use and you listen to lots of jazz etc, but In a car its not needed imo.

[Anile8er]

ooooh Rockford Fosgate subs go down 10 Hz ooooo

ooooh val somthing 18inch theather subs go down 8 oooo :mrgreen:

[X-ale]

do you know about something called absolut earing :o ... if sound isnt near perfection it heritates me very much, yes it's so close to obsessive symptoms, now i`m sorry if you don't approve, really i do care so much about you both so fucking much i`m weeping and i might cry... then maybe i`ll have nightmares. Damn violent opposition from midiocrity. :fist:

[SFDMALEX]

do you know about something called absolut earing :o ... if sound isnt near perfection it heritates me very much, yes it's so close to obsessive symptoms, now i`m sorry if you don't approve, really i do care so much about you both so fucking much i`m weeping and i might cry... then maybe i`ll have nightmares. Damn violent opposition from midiocrity. :fist:

I got only one question for you. What kind of music do you listen to in your car?

[X-ale]

Wtf does that have to do with anything?! Many genres but not so many sounds i tolerate, most problem comes from off pitch mids and trebles (specially voices), distortion also gives me uncomfortable goose bumps. i dig electric guitar like satriani but i much more prefer listening to pastorius, cant stand hendrix for the bad recording and the "experience". To be sure of no off tone i mainly listen to minimal (tech), french house, electro funk, trip hop, some psy/goa<-yes rarely theres something good. i love swing but big bands gets on my nerves fast. Same for jazz wind sections. Blues is ok for 30 mins or it gets like reggea and hellalot repetitive. You could say the same about electro but then it always depend on what it is. Classical is my root to everything. I bet when i say classic you think Mozart and etc. Check out the Villa-Lobos Lessons for classic guitar by a guy called Alvaro Pierri, now thats music!! Not just noise with a beat... What do you listen to? :)

[Sachmo12345]

JL W7 have a couple patents on them and they are prolly the best non competition subs you can buy they are about 500 for a 12" i believe

[TommyB86]

Yes, as silver said..

A sub with more WRMS will not neccearily run better than one with less. Depends on how it is boxed and the amount of power u are feeding it.

My suggestion, get a high quality sub such as Digital Designs or an Alpine Type R and use enclosure calculators to determine the perfect size box u need.

[ChrisAW11]

If you're still considering a really audiophile setup, try the Focal Kevlar line, if you can find them in Canada, in combination with a Soundstream Rubicon Amp 550 model with active crossover. Will set you back about $2000 for a 1 Sub, 2 Mids, 2 Tweeter system.

http://www.speedsound.com/caraudio.asp?pg=products&specific=jqoqcmp0

http://www.focal.tm.fr/gb/sommaire.htm

[megahurts4]

There are a few questionable suggestions and falsities in this thread. -Sorry i must correct :) Hope I don't appear too biased :D

Audiobahn - chrome plated, flashy, garbage. Definately NOT the way to go for sound quality.


i have a 250W ppi amp running a 10' sony xplod in a sealed box

That's a good amp, but don't be surprised when that sub fails or dies suddenly. I'm only warning you, not knocking you. So treat it nicely :). Sony car audio is not what the name lives up to unfortunatly. Sony amps are pretty bad; Subs are better than their amps... but have a high death rate which is sad.


f u're doing something crazy like that dont forget capacitors if u want long playing hard hitting bass!

I'd really hate to say it, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. Capacitors can never be used to replace high output alternators and batteries. Power doesn't grow on trees; a capacitor only stores energy and releases this energy very quickly when needed to ease the alternator on a sudden strain. (it stabalizes the voltage system) Remember, a capacitor has to charge as well, so that in essence is like adding another amp to your system. Imagine that on an underachieving alternator. Capacitors are NOT the answers people! This can't be stressed enough. Capacitors work best for minor electrical problems such as headlights dimming slightly for a very brief time.


If you wanted earth shattering bass I would say get a JL W7 but you said clear bass so defiantely go with infinity

JL Audio makes some good stuff, but the W7's are a bit pricey. The reason they cost so much is because they have a few custom parts. A comparable sub is actually an Image Dynamics one. It's usually about $400 or so; sorry i can't remember the model :oops:
Clear bass - Infinity ... eh... it's kind of up in the air there. The Infinity Perfect's are accurate subs, very accurate -I know, I have one. But also, they aren't loud enough at times honestly. A true clear sounding sub would be the Elemental Designs A-Series. Those blow Perfects away in every aspect.

Infinity Perfect component sets are good, but personally I believe CDT's are much better then followed by Dyn-Audio. Focal is under Dyn-Audio sound quality wise, but my complaint mostly is Focal's tweeters. They're too harsh for my tastes which goes the same for MB Quart.


its the volume of air in the box that determines how it hits and how it is sealed.

Well, it's the box design that determines its output. The volume of the inside will determine how much excursion the speaker has. So, in actuality, you would want a larger than recommended box if you are underpowering the sub by a good percent. So if you are overpowering a sub by a good bit (considering it isn't cooking the voice coils), you would want a box that limits the excursion enough to prevent damage to the speaker.

Good sound quality subs would include:
Image Dynamics
Elemental Designs
Resonant Engineering
Diamond Audio
Focal
MMats
Adire Audio
JL Audio (upper levels)

Amps:
Zapco (superb amps)
McIntosh (overthetop expensive)
Sinfoni
Xtant
Orion
Brax


Component sets:
Adire Audio (Koda's)
CDT
Focal
JL Audio
Infinity (Perfects)
Dyn-Audio
Rainbow

That's all I feel like saying for now :D

I'll say the headunits I'd consider if someone wants to know.



I mean no offence to anyone; this is my hobby and it's something I can't seem to want to know enough about.

[megahurts4]

Yes, as silver said..

A sub with more WRMS will not neccearily run better than one with less. Depends on how it is boxed and the amount of power u are feeding it.

My suggestion, get a high quality sub such as Digital Designs or an Alpine Type R and use enclosure calculators to determine the perfect size box u need.

You've almost got it! Due to the laws of physics, a 10 watt speaker can play as loudly as a 200 watt speaker, or even a 600 watt speaker for that matter. How you ask? If you are given that all of the above are powered with the same amount of power and given the exact same box/vehicle along with the same excursion and mass, the given energy will move the speaker just as far as each one making them all play at the same dB level. Power has become a marketing tool. So, rule of thumb, do not go by power ratings... EVER, that is unless you already have an amplifier and look to suit it's output.

The SPL created is 90% in the box rather than power. Power has minimal dB increase in a sub. You would need to double the power to increase your output by 3 dB.

Just remember to abide by the manufacturer's recommended internal volume. A speaker that was designed for a small enclosure will not play nearly as well as it would in a large one. If you put the speaker in too large of an enclosure, you will basically create a "free-air" speaker, or at least that is how the speaker will see it and behave accordingly. (free-air refers to a speaker... umm... without a true defined box so to speak)

[callen]

for sure....u do not need the punch two 12's (fack even two tens) are goin to deliver. go with one ten, two mids in the door panels two tweeters in the back, spend ur extra money on a good deck. 8)

[megahurts4]

I prefer to have more subs just because of the impact they can create. I like to feel the bass :mrgreen:

[mhn3773]

lol it DOES matter what kinda music u listen to because some music needs diff things then others

i have 2 15s and i have not heard 2 10s that sound like my 15s

theres also something called SPL which is one reason for having large subs..some people like me like to feel the beat to me the larger subs have a much fuller sound to them u don't have to strain my 15s as bad as u do my friends 12s

if u want to do SLP comp and thats it then ud need to get a nice sub with HUGE excursion and probably port the box that will give u the best SPL.(sound pressure level which is what sound boils down to)

if u get something like 2 15s vrs 2 10s u will have to contend with travel alot more..my 15s can be heard more then a few blocks away with the windows down which is how i drive so if u are worried about pissing people off or police hastling u u might want to stick to 10s

if u want SQ over SPL then u need to find a sub that does that for u. something like a 12w3v2 awesome SQ with good SPL but they are very picky

if u are serious about what u listen to u cant just ask..what sounds best or what should i buy and u cant just walk into bestbuy and walk out with a lighter wallet

and do remember to Bump responsibly =)