I made a bet that I can fly a Cessna 172...never flew one

[SFDMALEX]

Ok, so a friend of my'n has his pilot license and everything. Somehow we started talking about flight sims and I told him that I can fly a 172...Yeah I can just in Miscrosoft Flight Simulator lol...

Anyway so in a month we are going to fly. He rents the plane and off we go. The bet is for 100$. He brings the plane on the runway and I have to take off, circle around and land. If he needs to take controls of the plane during the flight I loose the bet. :lol:


Anyway....Any pointers lol?

[gtx28]

That is absolutely awesome, really cool stuff. Ive not heard a more worthy bet in a while. Id say practice the sims a good bit. Id wager that landing will be the tricky bit. Keep your whits about you. Best of luck please please keep us updated!!!!!

[sentra_dude]

I say this all in a theortical sense of course...and I'm in no way encouraging you do this, but... ;)

You should have no problem with taking-off or flying in the pattern, the only tough part will be landing, but if you have practiced enough in flight sim, you should be able to ham-fist your way in. Just remember to FLARE! :P No one does when they first start landing. Have fun. :P

[SFDMALEX]

I say this all in a theortical sense of course...and I'm in no way encouraging you do this, but... ;)

You should have no problem with taking-off or flying in the pattern, the only tough part will be landing, but if you have practiced enough in flight sim, you should be able to ham-fist your way in. Just remember to FLARE! :P No one does when they first start landing. Have fun. :P

Well I'm pretty sure Ill loose the bet, I probably wont have the balls to land but hey, its all good fun :)


I have a month worth of practice time, so I better make the best of it :)

[whskynwmn]

just in case you didn't hear me the first time...


YOU'RE GOING TO DIE !

[Toronto]

Cessnas are easy to fly, real easy, I was flying up with my dad since i was like 10 (if someone half your age could fly then I think you could too)
landing will be the hardest part of it all IMO

and my younger bro teaches people to fly (he is 19) so, best of luck

[RC45]

The biggest diff. between real life and flight sims, is the delay between conrol input and flight surface response - which is what leads a lot of n00bs to over correct about 10 times when trying to make small control adjustments.

That and you may nto be ready for just how much feedback you will get through the stick.

Rudder bar/stick co-ordination will be your biggest problem if you try to land and there is any cross wind... ;)

So - in summary - as Mr Burns has already pointed out YOU'RE GOING TO DIE !

;) hehe

[taygunho]

It is not hard fly with cesna in flight simulator but i don't know how it is like in real life. one of my friend's father is ilot in Turkish Air Lines He sad it is not hard to fly with cesna if you have some flying experience with planes.

[komotar]

wow, that's an interesting bet for sure.......don't know about the whole saftey issue :wink:

Hope you do well and grab the bull by the horns and try to land the sucker. It'll be a story worth remembering, if you doo.... 8)

Best of luck and one more thing............try not to kill your self :lol:

[SFDMALEX]

The biggest diff. between real life and flight sims, is the delay between conrol input and flight surface response - which is what leads a lot of n00bs to over correct about 10 times when trying to make small control adjustments.

That and you may nto be ready for just how much feedback you will get through the stick.

Rudder bar/stick co-ordination will be your biggest problem if you try to land and there is any cross wind... ;)

So - in summary - as Mr Burns has already pointed out YOU'RE GOING TO DIE !

;) hehe

So in real life the respones are slower?

What about feedback exactly?

As for rudder/bar co-ordination I think I'm pretty good at that :lol:

[SFDMALEX]

wow, that's an interesting bet for sure.......don't know about the whole saftey issue :wink:


Well a real pilot will be sitting just across of me. :wink:

[dutchmasterflex]

Do you guys really think the MICROSOFT Flight Sim will actually teach you how to fly a real plane?

[sentra_dude]

Cessna 172s are easy to fly, just practice landing and you'll be all right. :P Just don't be to proud to give up the controls if you don't think you can make it. :!:

[SFDMALEX]

Do you guys really think the MICROSOFT Flight Sim will actually teach you how to fly a real plane?


Sure, but that doesnt mean that you dont need real world experiance. :wink:

I know the layout of the dash, what each button does, basic flight behaviour, recomended take off, landing, crusing, descent power/vertical speed/air speed...

[GT-R_R34]

assuming you have all the basic. wheel yoke.control of the rudder, ailerons, when to use the flaps, the lot.
landing is a bit tricky. know how to use the flaps is a must.
land with the main wheel first. then gently lower the nose.
and keep the rudder pedals even, use a bit of brake after landing.
if not see you in the next life.
i flew a cessna 150, a while back i don't think there are most differences between them.

[TransAm]

Ok, so a friend of my'n has his pilot license and everything. Somehow we started talking about flight sims and I told him that I can fly a 172...Yeah I can just in Miscrosoft Flight Simulator lol...

Anyway so in a month we are going to fly. He rents the plane and off we go. The bet is for 100$. He brings the plane on the runway and I have to take off, circle around and land. If he needs to take controls of the plane during the flight I loose the bet. :lol:


Anyway....Any pointers lol?

Yeah, go to an ATM on the way :lol:

[SFDMALEX]

It's like comparing driving a racecar at the Ring in the GT4... and do it in real life :? I've never flight a Cessna nor any other plane - but I guess that the feedback that the stick can give you have nothing to do with the 'force feedback' you can get from your computer pad :wink:

Anyway... as said - you're going to die! :wink: :P j/k

Dani, GT4 is not a simulator. I want you to realize that :wink: It is nothing but an arcade racer. Obviously driving a real car is nothing like GT4. :wink:

I have a 200$ joystick and rudder pedals, with Force Feedback.

This is not Crimson Skies :wink:

[Anonymous]

So who's holding the JW camcorder?? :P Break a leg dude :P

Oh and It is funny how many people suddenly are pilots, dunno if i ever told you guys this but I once flew a 747, kinda boring compared to my regular F-16 :bah:
















NB this may be a big fat load of bullshit, but it will fit in well

[SFDMALEX]

I just wanted to point out that both games -GT4 and Flight Simulator- are just computer games...

That is where you are wrong mate :wink:

GT4 is a game.

Micrsoft Flight Simulator is a simulator.


Is this a game?
http://www.virtualaviation.co.uk/mattin777.jpg

Only difference for me is that I dont have a replica control panel. I have to use a mouse to click on a virtual panel, that being the only differecen between my house setup and the one in the picture.


There are games and there are simulators.

GT4 is a game with a "simulator" label to make kids think that what they are doing is real. It simulates basic driving physics on a very basic level.
Whilst a simulator like Richard Burns Rally simulates the internal combustion engine in real time, chassis dynamics, aerodynamic effects on the cars body, detailed tire simulation, slip angles, load, wear...The list goes on.

Miscrosoft Flight Simulator is the equivilent of Richard Burns Rally but in flight dynamics.


Crimson Skies and GT4 are games. MSFS and RBR are simulators.


There are also combat flight sims that have very advanced models of for example the Mig29 radar. Along with every single weapon that it carries. It simulates precisly the ER-27 missicle, its drag, depedance on onboard radar, flight dynamics etc.
The Swedish Air Force uses Falcon 4 in their Air Force training. You can buy Falcon 4 at your game shop.

GTRs simulation is so real that you can make use of the real world Motec Telemetry to setup your vehicle. Each race cars tire is simulated individualy, with real data.


Games and simulators are very different peices of software.

There will never be a replacement for the real world experiance, but the more advanced simulators get the closer to reality we get and we are very very close.


For example. A friend of my'n from the States. 16 year old kid. Never drove on a rally course in his life. But practiced a lot in Richard Burns Rally, was very good at it. He jumped into an Audi Quattro in real life, took off and placed 3rd in overall standings. From a computer into a car and he is amongst the fastest on the track :wink:

[ARMAN]

I'd suggest to take 100$ and go to the pilot school asking for some hints and things so you can actually see and touch and ask. And ask if someone of them played it and if there is a big difference and in what etc.

I bet 100$ that your friend will never let you let on the pilots seat, its just a joke 8) cause if any little tiny crap happens - HE is responsoble and will loose licence and will go to jale. If its his plane than its different, but still I doubt that he'll do so just because its his plane wich costs tonns of money to buy and to maintain 8)

[SFDMALEX]

I'd suggest to take 100$ and go to the pilot school asking for some hints and things so you can actually see and touch and ask. And ask if someone of them played it and if there is a big difference and in what etc.

I bet 100$ that your friend will never let you let on the pilots seat, its just a joke 8) cause if any little tiny crap happens - HE is responsoble and will loose licence and will go to jale. If its his plane than its different, but still I doubt that he'll do so just because its his plane wich costs tonns of money to buy and to maintain 8)

I'm 90% sure Ill loose the bet.

And no he aint joking man. There is a parallel set of controls on the plane. So if he sees Im doing anything wrong he can take over controls from his side.

See? :wink:
http://www.iua.upf.es/~sgurrera/common/images/airplane/cessna/lores/cessna_172_cutlass_rg_1981_panel.jpg

[ARMAN]

Ah ok, still I'd go visit a pilots school or so to get information and see it all in real.

[SFDMALEX]

Ah ok, still I'd go visit a pilots school or so to get information and see it all in real.

lol man, that would kill the bet, the whole bet is basicly about being able to fly on a simulator and seeing how it translates to real world.

If I went to pilot school and touched the real thing then the flight sim would have very little purpose.


I think you are all thiking of safety too much here. I have a real pilot with a parallel set of controls, I dont care if I loose the bet and dont do the whole thing by my self, I just want to see how far I can go with what I already know :wink:

[GT-R_R34]

i say hell with it, be positive at least you're getting to do something that most people don't get a chance to do. and i don't think your friend is going to risk his life for $100. and don't forget your safety check.

[blinkmeat]

Dude have you been drinking paint? Btw where in Canada do you live? I'm telling you now if you happen to kill me and you survive - I WILL haunt you FOR LIFE!!!

[SFDMALEX]

Dude have you been drinking paint? Btw where in Canada do you live? I'm telling you now if you happen to kill me and you survive - I WILL haunt you FOR LIFE!!!

Paint? WTF??? Why is everybody so damn negative about this??? :(

I'm in Toronto, thats as far as I will go. Dont want to spread details about me on the net :wink:

[blinkmeat]

^^
Great, Toronto. How about because its a dumb-ass idea dude :?

[SFDMALEX]

How about because its a dumb-ass idea dude :?

Why? Please explain :roll:


Some of you guys are a bunch of party bashers.

I have the opportunity to fly a fucking plane with a real pilot with the same set of controlls as me right next to me incase I fuck up, and you all say Ill die or its a bad idea...

I dont give a shit about the 100$, its the experiance.....but nooo Ill crash and die.............. :roll:

[blinkmeat]

Lets see here - YOU CAN'T FLY A PLANE!!!! What if buddy can't correct your mistake and you crash downtown?

[SFDMALEX]

Lets see here - YOU CAN'T FLY A PLANE!!!! What if buddy can't correct your mistake and you crash downtown?

Yes I can fly a plane dammit. And LOL man. What possible mistake I can make that he cant correct lol. You think Im going for a fucking stunt show or something? You clearly have no idea about what is going on.

Im taking off, doing a loop around the airport and landing.


Ey, have you ever flew in Ms Flight Sim? Do you know what it envolves? I guess not, so how can you even make these comments. :roll:



Damn party bashers :lol:


I'm off to practice bad weather, fast crosswind landing.

[gtx28]

lol ronin you shouldnt have given up your secret, so i take it your not the stig that died falling off the aircraft carrier then lol????

SFDMALEX, dont sweat these naysayers, I think this is a worthy bet. A real challenge so be a lion about it and have no fear enjoy the experience. If one person can die in there sleep and another can jump from an aircraft at 10000 feet and survive, well then if its your time to go its your time to go and nothing will stop that! Good luck mate!!

[RC45]

How about because its a dumb-ass idea dude :?

Why? Please explain :roll:


Some of you guys are a bunch of party bashers.

I have the opportunity to fly a fucking plane with a real pilot with the same set of controlls as me right next to me incase I fuck up, and you all say Ill die or its a bad idea...

I dont give a shit about the 100$, its the experiance.....but nooo Ill crash and die.............. :roll:

Screw all the nay sayers - it's going to be a blast.

The only quesiton I have is how many hours does your buddy have?

Having flown many hundreds of hours with my dad, 45 year commercial pilot veteran... I can tell you riding in the right seat is a load of fun - if you are super confident in the skills of the the jockey you are flyign with

Obviously the well experienced, good pilot can grab the controls from you and take over at any point - but it does take a certain level of experience and confidence to be able rest the controls from a copilot that has panicked/frozen.

Never having actually received any flying lessons, I am missing out on some of the essential basics... however back in the day (between 9 and 18 years old) I had taxied a number of turbo prop twins and singles - taken off a couple of King Air variants a couple Cessna 210's etc.

I have taken a number of different twins onto finals - but only ever got to land a Beech Kingair 190. That was a thirll.

The most fun to fly was the DC3 - big noisy, slow and traditional intuitive response to the controls.

"Clear outside your side?"
"Clear outside my side"
"Contact"

and so on and so forth ;)

Again - be sure you are comfortable with your buddies skill and experience - and remember to heed his commands - it's his cockpit and he's da boss :)

And when judging his performance take remember that there are old pilots - and bold pilots - but there are no old bold pilots... ;)

[blinkmeat]

^^
This coming from the dude who won't even smoke a J - figures

[sentra_dude]

Why are you going to wait a month, if you have already flown Flight Sim a bit, you might as well go out and fly the real thing sooner rather than later...its sure as hell a lot more fun. 8)

[gtx28]

well, that i wont give out. but heck i could be the one that fell off and faked my death and i could of made it back to TopGear all as a hoax for people to think i left. this i wont give out!!

you know its not likely that this will get you anymore ass so why the clever rouse? :wink:

[Skaala]

I've flown some with the Cessna 206 Seaplane, and it's a pretty easy plane to fly, but as many has said, I think you will be under a LOT of stress approaching the runway on your return :D Get a feel for the controls and be gentle!. Good luck!, best bet I've heard about for months :wink:

[crayzayjay]

It was nice knowing you :)

[Banchi105]

Hilarious thread.

Good luck!

[5vz-fe]

I have a feeling u will be taking off @ 16 & 404 =P~

Good Luck....don't die. :mrgreen:

[SFDMALEX]

Why are you going to wait a month, if you have already flown Flight Sim a bit, you might as well go out and fly the real thing sooner rather than later...its sure as hell a lot more fun. 8)

Oh thats because when he has it booked for :wink: He is part of some club, so he has specific dates for flying.

[gottacatchup]

umm dont die and dont get arrested for flighing without a liscence

good luck

[nchs09]

ya i concur. if u die.. plz die alone and dont take anyone else with you.

[callen]

u naysayers are fucked, noone is going to die, worst case scenario is the landing gear gets damaged from a hard landing, and i think thats even far fetched. keep ur whits about u alex, ull do fine 8)

[RC45]

ya i concur. if u die.. plz die alone and dont take anyone else with you.

WTF? ;)

[callen]

ya i concur. if u die.. plz die alone and dont take anyone else with you.

WTF? ;)

RC u and me are in the same boat, i dont care if ur english isnt soo good, who the hell writes that???? I mean the fucking COPILOT is right beside him, so obviously if the ship sinks the captain is goin dooooooown!

[FoxFour]

Some things you need to know when taking off, make sure the elevator trim is set to 'takeoff' position. Gently but firmly open the throttle to wide open. As you gain speed, gently push back on the nose wheel so that the wheel starts to just clear the runway. As speed gains, the plane will want to drift to the right due to P-factor. Correct with the rudder.
Oh, make sure that you guys fly early in the morning. Cross-wind pattern flying requires practice that I think that FS cannot teach you properly. That's an art unto itself, IMO. Also, like RC said, MS FS does not give you an accurate representation on the control feel of a 172. This plane has control rods with linkages that control all the primary controls. It's most noticeable when applying aileron control at low speed. You are going to have somewhat of a delay and for goodness sakes don't put a death-grip on the control wheel. If you are able to, hold the yoke with two fingers. There's a reason to this- you can feel what the ailerons are doing better.
Well, have to get ready for work. I will come back later and write some more.

P.S. I have over 200 hours of flight time and I have FS2004

[saadie]

imo ... take the taxing, take off and flying part ...
Do Not try to land all by yourself ... <<< saying by experience ..... :)

[dutchmasterflex]

SFDMALEX has lost the bet.

He died in a horrible crash, but thankfully it was only him and no one else. :P

[SFDMALEX]

lol no. My friend doesnt want to go because he says they are not doing a good job of clearing all the snow off teh runway. So its been postponed.

[jon_s]

lol no. My friend doesnt want to go because he says they are not doing a good job of clearing all the snow off teh runway. So its been postponed.

Too bloody right!! Landing is surely hard enough without snow on the frigging runway LMAO.

[Max Power]

everything I know about flying comes from die hard, and u wanna make sure that the landing 'floor' hasn't been lowered by terrorists smuggling in osama

[saadie]

[quote=SFDMALEX]Too bloody right!! Landing is surely hard enough without snow on the frigging runway LMAO.

:lol: :lol:

[Max Power]

the day after the Leafs win the Cup