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redbaron
11-02-2005, 05:04 PM
nooooooooooooo! :shock:
No "official" infos, but I guess we can safely say the driver can't be alive after such an accident
BTW, added two more pics
5vz-fe
11-02-2005, 05:39 PM
Damn......one gotta pay the consequences of what they are doing......and it is a hefty price....
RIP: Enzo, Driver
nejcdolinsek
11-02-2005, 05:49 PM
:cry:
No further comment
twboy1999
11-02-2005, 05:50 PM
when did this happen
wow... to break a carbon fiber car like that.. must be a very very high speed impact
sikx5
11-02-2005, 05:56 PM
woaahh...........
Lets hope the driver is O.K......That is one huge accident.
Im guessing that is a body part that is covered up in the 2nd pic?
dutchmasterflex
11-02-2005, 06:12 PM
when did this happen
wow... to break a carbon fiber car like that.. must be a very very high speed impact
one of the properties of carbon fiber along with its strength is its ability to absorb energy and there for shattering into millions of pieces.. which is why there is very little left of this enzo intact and pieces of carbon scattered everywhere
kjekki
11-02-2005, 06:19 PM
what the fuck!!!! :shock:
that is really sick..
if the driver survived he must have been protected by the spirit of old Enzo
what the hell did he hit??
chest3r
11-02-2005, 06:35 PM
:shocked!: Holy shit!!!
If the driver survived, it was a big big miracle :?
It's really impressive how such an expensive car was totally destroyed. I don't remember seing a supercar destroyed this way....
I presume this was in Italy cause there's an ambulance with an italian license plate
racer_f50
11-02-2005, 06:56 PM
:cry: that's the kind of sight which could make a grown man cry...
chest3r
11-02-2005, 07:03 PM
I found more info's in a portuguese forum :wink:
Sunday morning near Milan a 41 years old man died because he lost control of his car.
Fortunately in the crash there weren't other cars.
stracing
11-02-2005, 07:05 PM
idiot, he deserved it!
dingo
11-02-2005, 07:10 PM
It happened near Milan early on Sunday morning, and unfortunately the 41yo driver was killed. :(
RIP.
EDIT: too slow. :oops:
idiot, he deserved it!
you don't even know what caused the crash yet!
Well, for sure we don't know what caused the crash, but we also know that in Italy the speed limit on such road should be probably something around 80 to 90 kmh and noway an Enzo would be disintegrated like that at "legal" speed. Given the fact that with such a car you tend to push a little bit, he was for sure going MUCH faster than allowed on that road. Luckily the only person involved was him.
stracing
11-02-2005, 07:33 PM
well he must of been going quite fast for it to end like that unless a tonka truck came along. even at 100 kays does not do that to a family sedan.
even if something else was the cause like a stray dog or blown tyre, then he should of considered these factors.
It happened near Milan early on Sunday morning, and unfortunately the 41yo driver was killed. :(
RIP.
EDIT: too slow. :oops:
idiot, he deserved it!
you don't even know what caused the crash yet!
SL55 AMG
11-02-2005, 07:49 PM
Sad sight :(
If he was the only one involved in the crash?
What the hell could he have hit....the sound barrier?
I never thought it would be possible to obliterate a full carbon fiber car like that
RIP
gucom
11-02-2005, 07:54 PM
er...WTF :shock: good thing no1 else was hurt
ARMAN
11-02-2005, 08:02 PM
Why have a opened this thread? :|
Sorry Stracing but saying that he deserves it is stupid :roll: I say fuck the car - the man was much more important, and the man who was able to make money to buy an Enzo have my respect. I think Ferrari didnt sell Enzo's to everyone.
I guess he did couple of purles(word) and that smashed the car by the road so much :(
eraser
11-02-2005, 08:19 PM
That's a sad sight. In this case it's ok to say it was just a car.....someone lost their life. Not cool. My guess is that he got off-road and flipped it over a few times, especially with no other cars involved. Makes me think twice about how I drive sometimes. :(
callen
11-02-2005, 08:20 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry: there goes another one, I feel terrible for the man and his family, but another enzo down the drain due to an unskilled driver. I guess when an enzo bites, it bites HARD.... so is that 2 RIP enzos" (this one and the fireball in texas?) I hope there isnt any more....... :cry:
bmagni
11-02-2005, 09:02 PM
damn... my guess is something really unpredicted made him loose control or he pushed off his limits...
RIP
ViperASR
11-02-2005, 09:17 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry:
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11-02-2005, 09:35 PM
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ViperASR
11-02-2005, 09:38 PM
anyone have a count on how many enzos have been wrecked/totaled. I know of maybe 4 or 5 that have had damage done to them. The most famous one being the one in Tampa Florida where the owners son caused $400,000 worth of damage to the car. I know of 2 that have been completely totaled beyond recognition. This one and the one that caught on fire.
LINK (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wreckedexotics.com/enzo/thumb_enzo_20040306_002.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.wreckedexotics.com/enzo/&h=52&w=70&sz=3&tbnid=TMn-nLfy4PMJ:&tbnh=49&tbnw=66&hl=en&start=19&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Ferrari%2BEnzo%2522%2Bwrecked%26 svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client %3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG)
nthfinity
11-02-2005, 10:02 PM
:?
:(
RIP to the man who died. i really am cerious as to what caused the loss of controll (besides 660bhp) crashes that look like this dont often take place below 100mph 120kph. and CF monicoques are rigid, but they absorb impacts the best when in honeycomb form, as its deformable. im not sure the Enzo's monicoque (or CGT) is honeycomb, or not.
this is definately the worst Enzo accident seen yet, the fire was a loss, but this one was tragic.
raphaelws
11-02-2005, 10:23 PM
that's impressive :shock:
SPEEDCORE
11-02-2005, 11:18 PM
Hey atleast it wasnt a Garage Queen. Still sad to see the death of an Enzo and owner :(
Mercedes5CLR
11-03-2005, 02:55 AM
nnnnnooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! :cry:
saadie
11-03-2005, 05:40 AM
holy shit :shock:
looks like he hit the bushes/trees on the left in the first pic ....
RIP :cry:
Gilles27
11-03-2005, 06:00 AM
The tyre who apears in a first sight (near to the view point of the photograper) in the last shoot it doesn´t belong to an Enzo, isn´t it?
All crashes involving deaths are sad.
The road looks simply straight to crash so fiercely.
lorbmw69
11-03-2005, 06:45 AM
that might be the worst accident i've ever seen! it's terrible to hear that the man died...he must have going 150+ that road was dead straight!
nejcdolinsek
11-03-2005, 08:20 AM
I just read off of Ferrarichat.com that the police believe the driver was doing 256km/h!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT WAS HE THINKING???? :shock:
st-anger
11-03-2005, 09:11 AM
...i won´t name any names but i´m very very very sad about some statements in here and i think it´s NOT right to use such hard words regardeless how the circumstances were, and i´d like to invite those ppl to plz better think twice next time, it really made me sad reading such comments here on JW ... :|
this should be no offense to anyone and we all have our own opinion on things but plz think of his wife AND two little daughters - that said i do not know the driver in person but a buddy of mine from italy knows him due to his cars incl. that Enzo...
i think i won´t comment on my point of view - just want to add that i could have ended up like this the one or other time too and i´m also married and at that age - am i a stupid idiot now as well ??? ... just want to hint that there can be other point of views :!:
personally i´m sorry for him, his wife, loveones and especially kids but also happy that no one else was involved, period
- on a sidenote i want to add that i´m still a critic of posting pics of a crashed car in which a fellow enthusiast died... :idea:
...sorry guys, maybe i´m just another maniac old guy but i had to post that bit of (hopefully) constructive criticism...
RAMMIUS
11-03-2005, 09:22 AM
holy shit :shock: 256 km/h on that kind of road :shock:
htfaber
11-03-2005, 09:54 AM
very well said st-anger.
st-anger
11-03-2005, 11:02 AM
I understand your point st-anger - and I've also thought about his parents, his wife and kids... but this guy was doing 256kmh on a public road (not even a autostrada). For me it deserves the same respect as a drunk driver... :?
...i perfectly see your - and the others point - when talking about excessive speeding on public roads and its effects and this is IMO the main point here and SHOULD probably be the main point of the whole discussion and NOT if or if not he´s been that stupid and even entitle him as ... whatever... :|
Dani, a drunk driver doesn´t know what he´s doing but 90% of the drivers who´re owning such cars, or sportscars in general, definitely know what they´re doing and are 110% concentrated PLUS - they know about the risks, everything else is fate, but i have to admitt that driving that fast wherever is probably not the smartest thing to do :? but to discuss that in full detail we´d need waaaaay more time and i think u´d then understand my point "better" - better said u´d see it from another side...
last, i again want to add that it could have been myself but as i said - to fully understand that it would take us quite some time..........................
Anonymous
11-03-2005, 11:12 AM
I understand your point st-anger - and I've also thought about his parents, his wife and kids... but this guy was doing 256kmh on a public road (not even a autostrada). For me it deserves the same respect as a drunk driver... :?
...i perfectly see your - and the others point - when talking about excessive speeding on public roads and its effects and this is IMO the main point here and SHOULD probably be the main point of the whole discussion and NOT if or if not he´s been that stupid and even entitle him as ... whatever... :|
Dani, a drunk driver doesn´t know what he´s doing but 90% of the drivers who´re owning such cars, or sportscars in general, definitely know what they´re doing and are 110% concentrated PLUS - they know about the risks, everything else is fate, but i have to admitt that driving that fast wherever is probably not the smartest thing to do :? but to discuss that in full detail we´d need waaaaay more time and i think u´d then understand my point "better" - better said u´d see it from another side...
last, i again want to add that it could have been myself but as i said - to fully understand that it would take us quite some time..........................
Yup but as you say he knew the risks, that's life, maybe these pics will encourage some other person not to drive so fast to cause that much damage when it is clearly not appropriate to do so. We all take risks but we can still have sympathy for his family even while saying its his own damn fault by the looks of that (no proof of course yet but 99% certain) I feel bad for his family and friends but I don't believe in fate, he took the risk and lost, that can happen even while on track the proper place for such driving, the human body is not made for such impacts :bah: If there was gore in the pics i don't think TT would have posted them, but for discussion of the right and wrongs and to discourage others from meeting the same fate its appropriate IMO. I'm just glad nobody else was involved.
Fact is at the sort of speeds being speculated he could have quite easily taken multiple people with him, i don't care how concentrated or how much he knew what he was doing i'm pretty damn sure he was in the wrong. He certainly chose the wrong road, single carraigeway with white line usually indicates it is not the sort of road to push such a car :bah:
yeah i'm with ST and brembo.. i know i pushed the limits on some (very crappy, israeli) roads.. and sometimes you cross that limit.. and if things dont go right shit can and does happen.. now unless something else is in fault.. know your \ your cars limits... and if you have a track.. (like the one we dont have.. as motor racing is illegal here.. never was.. long story) take there.. but come on.. even then.. you wont go the speed limit.. but maybe you wont feel the "need" to take it much higher.. you know what i mean?..
anyway..
like brembo said.. RIP fellow car enthusiast.... :(
Anonymous
11-03-2005, 12:05 PM
I agree with st anger here...yes it was the drivers fault if he was going in that speed, but that doesnt make him an idiot.....it makes him a car guy who liked the thrill of going fast....pretty much like 99% of this forums members if we are going to be honest..
Dont act like you never have gone too fast yourself, cuz if you are a car nut you most likely have done, and in a much less capable car than an Enzo....
Im starting to get tired of comments like these on forums (JW not being the worst, but we got our cases) I know its the politicaly correct thing to say, but come on you are fooling no one...most of us like to go fast the memebers top speed thread and the thrill people get from watching GIS ghostrider, gumball and other vids prove this.....it only makes one sound like a hypocrit.....
Its easy to say he was an idiot cuz he was speeding on such a road, but its on those kind of roads its most thrilling to go fast.....going fast on the Autobahn are just going fast not exactly adrenalin pumping....sometimes things goes south like in this case wich is sad, but shit happens in life thats just how it is.....
My toughts goes to his wife kids and friends....
RIP fellow car enthusiast.... :(
yes bust equally don't act like he did nothing wrong and i disagree on the road part, i personally never push it on a road with solid white lines, around me atleast these are generally quite dangerous roads/ streches.We all know any owner of a supercar isn't going to stick to the speed limits all the time and neither do most drivers however when it comes back and bites them in the arse do we have to say what a tradegy it is? It is sad that his family and friends have lost him, nobody deserves to be die like this, however i can't say that if its proved he was (from the computer presumably) that he was doing over 250kph then really i lose sympathy for him, i wouldn't expect any in the same position. Condolences to his family and friends none the less
graywolf624
11-03-2005, 12:11 PM
know its the politicaly correct thing to say, but come on you are fooling no one...most of us like to go fast the memebers top speed thread and the thrill people get from watching GIS ghostrider, gumball and other vids prove this.....it only makes one sound like a hypocrit.....
First off I don't watch that type of movie for that very reason.
Second, there is a big difference between breaking the speed limit and driving over your ability. Given he's dead he didn't just break the speed limit, he's an asshat who didn't heed his own limits and drove over them on a public road. When you drive like an asshat on public roads its not just your own life you take in your hands. Take it to the track... Darwin has success.
Theres no way in hell he was driving reasonable speed given the pictures, and in a single car accident its his fault, no one elses. I don't feel sorry for him, I feel relieved he died on his own rather then taking out an innocent. If you drive 10/10ths on the road you don't deserve a license in my book. I do of course feel sorry for his family.
graywolf624
11-03-2005, 12:34 PM
^^Excellent.. Hell no..
Smart enough to go to the track when driving at over 100 mph.. And smart enough to realize that 100 mph + on a 2 lane road is not right period yes.
Even as Michael Schumacher you shouldnt be at the speeds this guy had to be going on a road that size.
I care about the risk to my kids, my neighbors kids, the old lady across the street, ect..
Reasonable speed doesn't kill, driving beyond your abilities does and you have no place exploring those abilities on public roads. Nor do I, this guy, a professional driver, or anyone else. A little bit of speed doesn't kill, treating the road like a race track does.
Its you that took the all high and mighty, that somehow calling the guy an idiot somehow makes someone a hypocrit cause they may or may not watch those videos. To which I called your bullshit. To which you somehow say I claim I'm perfect. I'm not perfect, if I was I'd think I could get away with driving like this asshat, I can't and neither can anyone else. Right from wrong doesn't change no matter who you are, whether you make mistakes, bad choices, or whatever else.
nthfinity
11-03-2005, 12:45 PM
Al, what does the dubble white line mean? this is a style that we dont have here... im sure we do, but not with that specific raod lines.
i am not with gray, when it comes to enjoying a video like Ghost rider, and GIS. i am, however with him when it comes to driving at speed (IMO above 6/10ths belong on a track) i enjoy a winding road quite a bit... but going tripple digit speeds is something i am unwilling to replicate ever again- not with my jeep. i cherrish life too much to be such a hooligan.
anyway; definately owning such a car puts an entirely different perspective on things. my condolences to his wife and daughters.
5vz-fe
11-03-2005, 12:48 PM
I think its the proportionality factor that got messed up here.
We do like the adrenalin of going fast (yes even on public roads) but how far will u push your car say in a 60kph zone? Say 100. Of course, our cars are infesible compare to the Enzo. The Enzo should be double the capability of the cars we are driving at least, so he goes in 200.....nope....250 something. This is the part where I don't agree. The equation should not be linear, and there should always be a limit on how far u push it w/o proper safety equipment (like a racetrack does).
One might say that adrenalin is cause by the car @ the limit and 250 is where the limit is, but 250 is clearly not the limit of the road. I do feel sorry for him, his wife and childern .... but that doesn't mean he's not stupid for doing such a stunt.
graywolf624
11-03-2005, 12:49 PM
Al, what does the dubble white line mean? this is a style that we dont have here... im sure we do, but not with that specific raod lines.
2 way traffic.
nthfinity
11-03-2005, 01:13 PM
Al, what does the dubble white line mean? this is a style that we dont have here... im sure we do, but not with that specific raod lines.
2 way traffic.
ok, so the equivilant to a dubble yellow line (white lines here mean 1-way street)
thanks gray
st-anger
11-03-2005, 01:31 PM
well said, both Espen and Al but i´m afraid this´ll end up in a "point of view" discussion with no result for this specific situation...
personally i have to say that due to my experience i see things a bit different for this specific issue than others would but well, everyone´s free to put in his personal thoughts...
ride safe my friends.......... :!:
graywolf624
11-03-2005, 01:44 PM
Yes Gray we all know the text book examples of how things should be, and we all know you wrote the book so let it rest allready.....
No.. But I've witnessed the outcome of driving stupidly, you learn from your mistakes and those of others or your doomed to repeat them. But whatever, I guess anyone who has a sense of morals and understands right and wrong is somehow high and mighty in your book. I sometimes wonder how you've lived this long with that attitude. You'd certainly feel differently had you watched 3 people from your car club end up in the ground because of driving beyond their abilities/not accounting for the abilities and predictabilities of those cars and things around them on a public street.
Banchi105
11-03-2005, 01:46 PM
I agree with st anger here...yes it was the drivers fault if he was going in that speed, but that doesnt make him an idiot.....it makes him a car guy who liked the thrill of going fast....pretty much like 99% of this forums members if we are going to be honest..
Dont act like you never have gone too fast yourself, cuz if you are a car nut you most likely have done, and in a much less capable car than an Enzo....
Im starting to get tired of comments like these on forums (JW not being the worst, but we got our cases) I know its the politicaly correct thing to say, but come on you are fooling no one...most of us like to go fast the memebers top speed thread and the thrill people get from watching GIS ghostrider, gumball and other vids prove this.....it only makes one sound like a hypocrit.....
Its easy to say he was an idiot cuz he was speeding on such a road, but its on those kind of roads its most thrilling to go fast.....going fast on the Autobahn are just going fast not exactly adrenalin pumping....sometimes things goes south like in this case wich is sad, but shit happens in life thats just how it is.....
My toughts goes to his wife kids and friends....
RIP fellow car enthusiast.... :(
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Well said st-anger as always. It's too easy to call him "idiot", but a guy with a woman he loves and two children waiting for him at home should be carefull when driving a fast car. We don't know the details, but if he was really doing 256 on a 80 kmh road, far from me to say he deserved it (nobody does), but that was total madness from him :(
Everybody speed, sure, and we always feel like nothing can touch us. Even on track you can die as we sadly saw some time ago :(.
I don't have children myself and maybe when I will, I will still be as stupid as today, but once ppl depend on your, need you and your love, some things have to be put aside :(
That said, again, it is too easy to call him idiot and affirm he deserved it :(
Shame he died... shame about the car too
Sorry Stracing but saying that he deserves it is stupid :roll: I say fuck the car - the man was much more important, and the man who was able to make money to buy an Enzo have my respect. I think Ferrari didnt sell Enzo's to everyone.
Money=Respect ???? I think not :roll:
And anybody with the money can get hold of an Enzo :?
graywolf624
11-03-2005, 04:07 PM
..yes he was driving fast on a two lane highway but if you claim to not have gone past 100mph on a two lane highway ever I think you are lying or just dont have driven that much....
If I died from driving 100 mph on a 2 lane highway, or if when I drove 100 on a 2 lane(never done it) I would be an idiot too.
I have a sense of morals and I know the difference of right and wrong I just dont think I am any better than anyone else.....be honest and look inside yourself and you will know you got alot of skeletons your self...
And yet again I don't think myself perfect, but I expect that if I died cause of driving like an idiot you'd have the balls to call it as you see it and say I acted like an idiot and its my own damn fault. That I shouldnt have endangered my own and other peoples lives. I don't sugar coat things just cause the person died, and it pisses me off when people do so.
As I stated above, I feel sorry for his family.. But Im glad he only killed himself and feel had he lived he should have had his license and his car revoked.
st-anger
11-03-2005, 04:42 PM
...the level of disrespectfulness to the family calling a dead father "asshat", "idiot", ... makes me feel ashamed and some ppl here should better leave it now... :idea:
...can only shake my head when reading some "wisdoms" here, sorry.... :|
acs power
11-03-2005, 10:05 PM
idiot, he deserved it!
Nobody deserves this, could be anyone
RIP
acs power
11-03-2005, 10:10 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry: there goes another one, I feel terrible for the man and his family, but another enzo down the drain due to an unskilled driver. I guess when an enzo bites, it bites HARD.... so is that 2 RIP enzos" (this one and the fireball in texas?) I hope there isnt any more....... :cry:
Nice criteria for judging who is skilled and who unskilled driver you have
SPEEDCORE
11-04-2005, 12:03 AM
This arguing sounds silly, end of the day he was responsible for his actions. He could of been the greatest Skilled driver in the world, this wasnt a race track, someone or a vehicle could of jumped in front of him and he tried to get out of the way. You dont get sand traps on the roads, looks like he collected a pole or tree.
Skills doesnt come into it, common sense does, it wasnt a freeway/autostrada it was a normal road. If he was using common sense he would of done 80--100 like the rest of them, but he decided to give it a fang and now has paid the ultimate price for it.
If people respected others when they are alive, there wouldnt be a need to respect them when they die. :(
bmagni
11-04-2005, 12:12 AM
ill just say we all make mistakes and we dont always take the best decisions, only god and the driver knows what happened, and were no one to judge him. Who knows if he did it on purpose.
In the end he did no harm to other than his family and loved ones, and "just" in a sentimental way, and hes just responsible for that.
dingo
11-04-2005, 07:44 AM
I don't think anyone can argue what he was doing was reckless and highly risky - and he ended up paying the price for it. It doesn't do any good calling him names after he's dead, so maybe we should just leave it.
When I was in Alice Springs in August we regularly did 300kmh+ (332kmh max) and it could all have gone horribly wrong at any moment. The big difference however is that we were on a road with no speed limits, and that was flat for miles and miles with very minimal traffic. This guy in the Enzo wasn't quite as selective in choosing the place to achieve these speeds.....
....Who knows if he did it on purpose.....
I think we can safely say he didn't kill himself on purpose. :wink:
...the level of disrespectfulness to the family calling a dead father "asshat", "idiot", ... makes me feel ashamed and some ppl here should better leave it now... :idea:
...can only shake my head when reading some "wisdoms" here, sorry.... :|
i agree.. what's the matter with you people?
jon_s
11-04-2005, 09:07 AM
I am not going to get drawn into the discussion that has unveiled itself over the last few pages. However, I was reading the various versions of the story.
An interesting theory on a POSSIBLE cause of the crash (except the obvious..namely speed). In summary, the Enzo may have lifted off the ground (perhaps a dip/hump in the road), at which point it lost all/most downforce effects, which may have caused a spin e.t.c....... what do people think?
I does make sense, especially on a straight road with (I presume) no other traffic.
"Sunday morning near Milan a 41 years old man died because he lost control of his car."
accident happened at 256km/h ~157mph, as per the enzo's computer that records all speeds much like an airplane's "black box" flight data recorder
there is speculation as to how it actually happened, but some believe that the rear end steped off the pavement and entered a spin, with some tree/telephone pole hitting in there. others suggest something similar, but ground effects were lost quickly after leaving the road, which would mean no downforce at 155mph (as the enzo has no "traditional" downforce devices i.e. wings/spoilers, so once the car is sufficently off the ground there is no downforece created at all) the car would then spin and roll out of control, with periods of flight until friction with the ground brought the car to a stop. however it is unknow if the driver lost control, or the vehicle failed at this time. it looks like to me that the car slid into a tree/pole sideways and hit into the door (note the driver rear quarter panel looks very good considering) theis caused the monocoque to break, because all force was applied directly to the monocoque itself.
the monocoque should have held up, but this is aparently a reoccuring problem in ferraris (at least the newer ones 355, 360, enzo)
the lack of skidmarks lends to the theory that the car was airborne for some while before stopping
despite some debate this IS an enzo, leaving only 398 left in the world
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81352
there were some explicit pictures posted but the server exceeded bandwidth, and they are no longer avaliable (from what i can find)
Banchi105
11-04-2005, 01:35 PM
Interesting point. Seems quite logical considering that this was such a narrow road. Narrow roads aren't known for their extraordinary smoothness. At ~160mph any little series of ups and downs that are never noticed below 100mph could be enough to "break" that downforce by letting the enzo come just an inch or two off the ground.
It could easily be possible that he regulary passed the road at 140mph or so, but ~160mph was enough to barely overcome the downforce for an instant taking all control away from him.
Ok, thanks to kawa22, I have some more infos:
it happened in Burago, near Milano (Italy as said). The owner, a 41 yo businessman was, as said traveling above 250 kmh when he lost control of the car. He hit a signpost on the side of the road which torn the car apart. As said, he died immediately and left behind him a pregnant wife :(
yg60m
11-06-2005, 06:20 PM
...the level of disrespectfulness to the family calling a dead father "asshat", "idiot", ... makes me feel ashamed and some ppl here should better leave it now... :idea:
...can only shake my head when reading some "wisdoms" here, sorry.... :|
i agree.. what's the matter with you people?
I second that :|
jakaracman
11-06-2005, 06:49 PM
the monocoque should have held up, but this is aparently a reoccuring problem in ferraris (at least the newer ones 355, 360, enzo)
There is no monocoque (including in the racecars) that will hold in an impact to a narrow (tree, pole ...) immoveble object ... No way ...
Well - well - well.
I was - like st-anger kind of surprised by the remarks by some.
Crazy behaviour sometimes results in bad outcome... but damn... such anger and hate from fellow car enthusiats.
And 256kmh is not that fast in the grand scheme of things.
Any one of us with 400+hp cars can run to 140mph in 4th gear and 20 seconds.
150mph on that straight road is not that fast in the grand scheme of things either.
Many of us with hi-powered cars psend a lot of time in the 90 to 120mph range when we are out in the back roads and freeways. You don't blast past to many people going that speed... but hen again spinning off the road at 90mph is just as destructive as spinning off the road at 110 mph - and 140mph is only slightly more devastating.
It's like choosing between being run over by a semi-truck, a bus or a train - either way it's gonna hurt - a lot.
Back to the accident on hand.
What a sad loss for the driver's family and himslef and a startling loss for Ferrari fanclub.. another car down.. :(
BUt, for anyone to sit around online and type "why did he what did and when did he" blah blah, you are either drivign a camry all day or you have never really syepped into the realm of high performance street cars.
Because if you ever had, you would have put the pedal to the metal and got a bit of speed under your tyres.
There is no "safe place" to go fast, hell, there is no safe place to go slow - it's all a calculated risk - you look ahead, you evaluate the situaiton at the moment you hit the gas and get on it.
You focus and pay attention, but if something is going to happen, a blowout,, a bump that bottoms the suspension and skips the car across the road or a suspension tie rod lets go etc - it's gogn to happen and you just hope it doesn't.
I am a little set back by the anger and hatred and downright holier than thou comments made in this thread.
He didn't "deserve to die" - he simply paid the price for giving it stick. There is a big difference between the 2. It is also something many of us expose our selves to when we get in our cars to drive to work alongside a 40ton truck at 60mph or on a country road at 150mph.
Either is not that far fetched of a scenario to experience.
callen
11-07-2005, 01:37 AM
:cry: :cry: :cry: there goes another one, I feel terrible for the man and his family, but another enzo down the drain due to an unskilled driver. I guess when an enzo bites, it bites HARD.... so is that 2 RIP enzos" (this one and the fireball in texas?) I hope there isnt any more....... :cry:
Nice criteria for judging who is skilled and who unskilled driver you have
well if his skills were up to the demands he had asked the car to do then wouldnt u think hed still be alive? he asked more than he could give, unless he hit a bump or something out of his control to lose the car? Who knows but he should have been more careful... and not been going 250 on backroad!
Who knows but he should have been more careful... and not been going 250 on backroad!
What is wrong with a blast to 250 (which is probably an exageration anyway) - it is not that fast in the grand scheme of things... if 250 was such a big deal then why not ban all fast cars and bikes forth with and end the debate forever.
st-anger
11-07-2005, 10:24 AM
...indeed, very well said Paul, after my last comment i decided not to furthermore post in here but u fully understood - and posted - what i´m thinking personally... :!:
could elaborate myself in full detail but i think it´s all said now...
jakaracman
11-07-2005, 02:01 PM
AS RC45 said ... And nothing more to add except: who does not understand that is (in my opinion) not a true (super)car enthusiast.
adamrotor
11-08-2005, 03:26 PM
what the fuck!!!! :shock:
that is really sick..
if the driver survived he must have been protected by the spirit of old Enzo
what the hell did he hit??
Uhm i dont think so I mean majority of the ferrari formula car drivers did die at the steering wheel of the ferrari and enzo took no blame he sais himself that its no the driver that used to win races but the car. Until his death that was the issue ferrari drivers dieing until schumacher came along he's beenbehind the steering wheel of the beast for 10 yrs now.
Tommaso
11-13-2005, 11:52 AM
RIP :(
http://www.giornaledivimercate.it/foto/max-106049_img_243694.jpg http://www.giornaledivimercate.it/foto/max-106049_img_243630.jpg
:cry: sad sight indeed, incredible wreck
nejcdolinsek
11-13-2005, 01:44 PM
RIP :(
http://www.giornaledivimercate.it/foto/max-106049_img_243694.jpg http://www.giornaledivimercate.it/foto/max-106049_img_243630.jpg
Where did you get that info?
Damn, actually seeing the man that died and the car he was traveling in really puts things into perspecive... :( :|
Tommaso
11-13-2005, 04:35 PM
Where did you get that info?
:arrow: www.giornaledivimercate.it , it's a local newspaper
nejcdolinsek
11-13-2005, 06:04 PM
Where did you get that info?
:arrow: www.giornaledivimercate.it , it's a local newspaper
Thanx!
So is there any new information on what actually happened?
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