Just bought some Ferraris [Archive] - Sports Car Forum

stracing

11-27-2003, 07:59 AM

I really did..F1 cars in fact!!!
These are BBR Models, built by the best. Fully hand made. 1:43 Scale. So they are like $300AUD a car. Too bad these resize don't show the true quality. Have a look with your own eyes when you come across one. You'll love the quality. Some of their road cars are even better.

links to hi-res ones just to give you a glimpse of their quality
F2002 French GP (http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52DSC02928.JPG)
F2003-GA Launch Version (http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52DSC02925.JPG)

F2002 of the French GP
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52Resize_of_DSC02927.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52Resize_of_DSC02928.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52Resize_of_DSC02929.JPG

F2003-GA Launch Version
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52Resize_of_DSC02924.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52Resize_of_DSC02925.JPG
http://www.jabbasworld.net/photopost/data/2/52Resize_of_DSC02922.JPG

stradale

11-27-2003, 08:28 AM

11-27-2003, 08:31 AM

It is very very nice!!

And BTW, some day ago I bought a De Loren.. and a special one LOL

http://www.flytrap.it/public/ttsib/delorean4.jpg

Made by Vitesse and for less than 40 USD, the quality is superb IMO.

Chingachgook

11-27-2003, 08:46 AM

GREAT! the De Lorean from Back to the Future! :wink:

stradale

11-27-2003, 08:57 AM

11-27-2003, 09:04 AM

Indeed, I usually buy IXO, Vitesse or Autoart (as for 1:43 I mean), and the quality is really great. But when I noticed the opening door on the DeLorean and the detail inside, I was amazed, and happy I choosed it instead of the nice old Mercedes S-Class limo that tempted me the same day LOL

To bad we don't have BBR models around here :( afaik...
That Ferrari is amazing :D

stracing

11-27-2003, 09:05 AM

Cool, BBR builds very good models! My dad builds a lot of kits himself (mostly road cars/classic Ferrari's) including BBR kits, which are very well engineered and detailed. The quality of the paint and spraying on their ready-mades is extraordinary.

Do you have BBR road car models as well?

i have F2000 BBR kit sitting here. i really don't how to go about it because of the size. i normally build 1:24 scale tamiya kits and sometimes its hard enough to get to exact detail.

no i don't have any road cars. i'm a schumacher fanatic so i only collect anything schumacher. when i get my glass cabinet i'll show off my collection. if i was to collect roads cars i'd go broke. BBR ain't cheap. however if there is a challenge stradale coming out i'll buy that. i've seen a 1:24 scale of of the 360 spider, i almost fainted. it was just so god damn good. anyways, for road cars i like to build them myself. current car i'm building is a toyota celica for my friend, but i'll be building the supra as well.

TT, does vitesse have a website? to be honest i've never heard of them.

also another reason why they are so good (and why its so expensive) is their rarity. the models i've shown, only 300 were built. the 360 spider i mentioned only 70 were built. i have another schumacher which in a safe box, only 50 were made. i spent more than a $1000 on it.

11-27-2003, 09:11 AM

stracing

11-27-2003, 09:15 AM

stracing

11-27-2003, 09:18 AM

To bad we don't have BBR models around here :( afaik...
That Ferrari is amazing :D

you are so wrong dude!!! hehe
22 places that stock BBR models

http://www.bbrmodels.it/pages_uk/distributori/map/svizzera.cfm

11-27-2003, 09:18 AM

Rarity is very cool :D

The most rare models I have are not as rare as yours... I have a 80s Merc 200 T that is one of 1824, a 206 WRC (2001) over 5000 made and an EVO VI Tommy Makkinen edition that is one of 3000..

Still pretty low compared to the world, but not as good as 50 :D

And thanks for the BBR list for Svitzerland :D There is one in Lausanne too, and I never heard about that shop LOL

stracing

11-27-2003, 09:23 AM

TT, does vitesse have a website? to be honest i've never heard of them

I had no idea, so I did a search and look what I found LOL: Vitesse is no longer producing any models. They are out of business and now, another company in China is making models from their molds

In effect the logo on the DeLorean case is different from the previous one.. so I wonder if it's already a "chinese" one...

well the model should come with a serial number or similar. if the number still works give them a call. thats how i check with my schumacher cars from Hot Wheels. There are some fake hot wheels around. :x

11-27-2003, 09:25 AM

Don't worry, I'm not really that implicated :D And if Vitesse was simply "bought" by that Chinese maker, no problem at all... I just collect 1:43 models because I like them :D

stracing

11-27-2003, 09:38 AM

thats cool.
i'm picky with mine. i always find the best one in the shop. if the decal is slightly off i won't be happy with it.

i suggest you keep collecting die-casts. don't ever go building plastic kits. like me i thought i'll just build the Ferrari 310B, but now i'm hooked on them. i just can't stop building them now. i have more cars in my cupboard than i could build. :| i've just spent too much on models, die-casts and plastic kits.

stradale

11-27-2003, 09:42 AM

Budget models such as Vitesse, Minichamps, AutoArt, Ixo etc. have improved considerably in recent years as you can see from the picture of the Delorean. BBR, MR etc. have to improve as well IMO to justify their higher prices.

you got to remember those budget models are made by machines, off a production line. BBR and others like Model World are made by hands. So a margin of error is forgiveable. but really, you have to look very very very closely for any errors. so i think those high prices are justified. plus, which i mentioned earlier, they are rare. extremely rare.

That's not really true. The parts are mostly made by machines, but they're put together by hand. Also painted details, such as the rubber window linings, are usually handpainted. Pretty much all manufacturers like Ixo and AutoArt have factories in China, which explains why they can build these models by hand for the prices they charge. BBRs are higher quality, but they are built in Italy. That's also a huge factor in their price.

gis

11-27-2003, 10:04 AM

wow those are some nice models stracing,i dont collect the F1 cars,but everytime i see one i look at it,in the shop near me they have a david coulthard one in right now.looks awesome

TT the de lorien is cool,ive never seen it b4 till u showed a couple weeks back,lol and u only figured out the doors open a few hours after you bought it,LOL

i collect road cars really,from a few manufacturers.not really any rare ones,but a couple nice ones IMO,includin my pretty rare black toyota supra :mrgreen:

my list :

New mini cooper
Audi TT roadster
Ford escort RS cosworth
Volkswagen W12
Porsche carrera
Aston martin DB7
Aston martin vanquish
Pontiac trans am firebird
Ferrari 360
Ferrari enzo
Dodge viper SRT-10
Lambourghini murcialago
Lambourghini diablo GTR
Chevrolet corvette Z06
Ford mustang SVT cobra R
2003 Ford mustang cobra
Fast and furious toyota supra
Fast and furious mitsubishi eclipse
Fast and furious Mazda RX7
2 Fast 2 Furious toyota supra
Volkswagen beetle RSI
Mitsubishi lancer evo 6
Mitsubishi lancer evo 7
Subaru impreza WRX STI
Nissan skyline R34 GT-R
Honda S2000
BMW M3 coupe
BMW M3 GTR (street version)
MKIV toyota supra (drooool :P )

11-27-2003, 10:08 AM

and u only figured out the doors open a few hours after you bought it,LOL

And by mistake LOL. I was just putting it back in the box and a door moved LOL :D

stradale

11-27-2003, 10:17 AM

What scale are they gis?

I have too much to make a list of. Lots of different scales, ranging from 1:18 to 1:87 (tiny, I know, but I have an F40 from Herpa in that scale of which both the hood and the engine bay can be opened and it even has engine detail!)

Nowadays I stick to 1:43, which doesn't take a lot of space and has detailing to match larger scales. I used to go to this bourse which is held four times a year near Utrecht with my dad. I think it's the largest in Europe. It's huge. Lots of people from the UK, Belgium, Germany, France and even Italy go there to buy or trade models. You can find anything there and (can't hide the fact I'm dutch, lol) for good prices as well. Too bad I don't go there as often anymore. So if you guys are interested in models I can recommend it to you!

EDIT: The NAMAC bourses attract about 4000 visitors and have over a kilometre of table length. http://www.namac.nl/pagina_beurzen_data.htm

stracing

11-27-2003, 10:18 AM

That's not really true. The parts are mostly made by machines, but they're put together by hand. Also painted details, such as the rubber window linings, are usually handpainted. Pretty much all manufacturers like Ixo and AutoArt have factories in China, which explains why they can build these models by hand for the prices they charge. BBRs are higher quality, but they are built in Italy. That's also a huge factor in their price.

i thought they were just like hot wheels. i know hot wheels just come straight from machines. the decals are probably done by hand though. otherwise if everything else is done hand i don't know how they spit out 25,000 models in a short period of time.

one thing i don't ilke about those low budget ones is the paint. they always come out dull. everytime my friend buys one, i just have to polish it up for him, otherwise i don't feel comfortable even tho its not mine.

stracing

11-27-2003, 10:22 AM

I used to go to this bourse which is held four times a year near Utrecht with my dad. I think it's the largest in Europe. It's huge. Lots of people from the UK, Belgium, Germany, France and even Italy go there to buy or trade models. You can find anything there and (can't hide the fact I'm dutch, lol) for good prices as well. Too bad I don't go there as often anymore. So if you guys are interested in models I can recommend it to you!

gis, maybe you should go if you haven't found your supra yet :)

i'll be building the tamiya kit of the supra, so watch that. it'll be in telefonica blue. if you don't know the colour, search for the telefonica gp bikes. thats the blue i'm putting down.

gis

11-27-2003, 10:25 AM

LOL,stracing,look at my list right at the bottom,the black toyota supra :P

stradale,all the models i have are 1:18 scale.there is one model that i have been searching for since early this year but unfortunately not bein made any more and thats the 1:18 scale subaru impreza 22b.

stradale

11-27-2003, 10:28 AM

i thought they were just like hot wheels. i know hot wheels just come straight from machines. the decals are probably done by hand though. otherwise if everything else is done hand i don't know how they spit out 25,000 models in a short period of time.

one thing i don't ilke about those low budget ones is the paint. they always come out dull. everytime my friend buys one, i just have to polish it up for him, otherwise i don't feel comfortable even tho its not mine.

Like I said, the paint on the BBRs is top notch! Cheaper models can't match it.

About the factories in China: I suspect they're big and have lots of employees. Besides, every worker is trained to do just one bit and not to assemble an entire model. They can do their job really fast. Just think of those little umbrella's for ice cream and cocktail drinks. They're handmade as well. They hardly cost any money and the output is enormous.

11-27-2003, 10:28 AM

1:18 scale subaru impreza 22b

At least I managed to have an 1:43 Autoart of it :D

stradale

11-27-2003, 10:29 AM

stracing

11-27-2003, 10:40 AM

LOL,stracing,look at my list right at the bottom,the black toyota supra :P

:oops:
i saw the drool, so i thought you still needed it. and i missed your 3rd paragraph.

gis

11-27-2003, 10:43 AM

lol,the 22b i want is 1:18 scale by auto art,ie wanted this one ever since i started collecting.

stracing

11-27-2003, 10:54 AM

when did you start collecting?
don't you just hate the feeling that you started late?
i followed schumacher's career since 1992 and now i wished i've started buying his models then. they used to sell $50AUD and now they're all at least a couple hundred for the minichamps.

i also wish i knew they would go up in value, i would of bought a few senna, prost or mansell cars as well

gis

11-27-2003, 11:13 AM

i started about a year ago,and yeah i wish i had started earlier,i had the idea of gettin them for a while and saw them and i just droooled.and my mum and dad said u would never have room to put them anywere,well,i started and they let me put up shelves around,but they were right,i aint got much room left,but ill find sumwere.LOL

im goin to the shop this saturday and im gonna get another 3-4 models i think.

i have a minichamps model,the M3 GTR street,its awesome

gis

11-27-2003, 01:53 PM

check this out for a 1:12 size model (lambourghini fans)

http://www.autoartmodels.com/pages/oldpage/lamborghini_1.htm

stracing

11-27-2003, 03:31 PM

man you made me drool. but i think i can live without them :?

nothing can beat these tho, without counting the 1:12 working replica hehe
http://www.amalgam-models.co.uk/Pages/motorsport/quarterscale.html

gis

11-27-2003, 03:34 PM

god dam those are nice,i love the 360 modena one,its awesome.the price is a lot though,lol.

lol,stracing u mean u can live without the street car models?

stracing

11-27-2003, 03:45 PM

yep!!! i don't want to go broke haha maybe when life settles i'll get a few.
i haven't got one for myself yet. the only road car die cast i have is the honda s2000 which i got for my b'day.

gis

11-27-2003, 04:08 PM

nice,the s2000 is a very nice car in the model

how many other models have you got altogether?

cho_888

11-27-2003, 04:44 PM

nice photos what sort of camera was it, it used a low f-stop

SFDMALEX

11-27-2003, 04:53 PM

Guys what do you think of Burago? Are they considered to be cheap(bufget) models?

11-27-2003, 05:22 PM

Burago are not really that good IMO.. for cheap 1:18 IMO Maisto is better than Burago as for details compared to price.
Sure an Autoart is way better :D

gis

11-27-2003, 05:27 PM

Guys what do you think of Burago? Are they considered to be cheap(bufget) models?

i have one Burago medel,and its the only one im goin to buy,was pretty disapointed with the detail.so yes to me they are one of the budget models.

if i see a cheaper model that i like il make sure its Maisto one as for the budget models they are one of the best IMO.
but TT is right,you cant beat the quality of an auto art model,and fro owning 2 kyosho ones aswell,they are just as sweet.

Chaos in 1983!

11-27-2003, 07:38 PM

How about How Wheels, now they are the only ones that can make Ferrari replica...are they good?

SFDMALEX

11-27-2003, 07:46 PM

How about How Wheels, now they are the only ones that can make Ferrari replica...are they good?

I got a hot wheels ferrari F2001 and I gotta say it's not bad considering that I payed 30CDN for it.

gis

11-27-2003, 07:56 PM

yeah hot wheels arent bad.i think i paid £24 each for the 360 and enzo and they arent bad

666fast

11-27-2003, 08:07 PM

I've only got three 1/43 scale models.
Impreza WRC car by Ixo
Nismo Skyline GTR by Ixo
Tommy Makinen Evo by Vitesse.
It's the 3000 edition one TT is talking about. Which number is yours TT? Mine is #0926

I've got one 1/18 scale car
1953 Corvette by The Franklin Mint

11-27-2003, 08:13 PM

mine is #2745 :D cool!

SFDMALEX

11-27-2003, 08:17 PM

Guys, anybody know the name of the company that speed chanell advertises some times? Their models look amazing. I think its something like "moto".....

Edit I found out. Its EXOTO.

Look at this

http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/GrandPrix/Ferrari312T/img/GPC97050_FrontOnFlag.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/GrandPrix/Ferrari312T/img/GPC97050_Cockpit.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/GrandPrix/Ferrari312T/img/GPC97050_TopOpen2.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/RacingLegends/FordGT40MkII/img/RLG18040_FrontQuarter.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/RacingLegends/FordGT40MkII/img/RLG18040_Interior.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/RacingLegends/FordGT40MkII/img/RLG18040_Headlight.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/RacingLegends/Porsche917-30/img/RLG18182_FrontQuarter.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/RacingLegends/Porsche917-30/img/RLG18182_Top.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/RacingLegends/Porsche917-30/img/RLG18182_RearAccessories.JPG

gis

11-27-2003, 08:43 PM

wow,that is a GT40 right

there was a 1:12 scale ford GT40 in the shop i go to and was for sale at £539,i drooled everytime i saw it,the detail was fantastic.

there is also a rare rally one there for £90,a richard burns subaru impreza,its a stage he won that is a memory to it,its number 795 of 1750 if i remember correctly

11-27-2003, 08:46 PM

What scale are those models SFD?

alondahan

11-27-2003, 09:10 PM

Look at this

http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/GrandPrix/Ferrari312T/img/GPC97050_FrontOnFlag.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/GrandPrix/Ferrari312T/img/GPC97050_Cockpit.JPG
http://www02.exoto.com/Collectibles/GrandPrix/Ferrari312T/img/GPC97050_TopOpen2.JPG

312 T nice 8)

I have a 312 T4 1:18 :wink:

stracing

11-27-2003, 10:15 PM

gis: i have about 25 die-cast on schumacher. the honda s2000 is from maisto which i don't think its that good. there wasn't even a photoetched part of the brake caliper. but i following the old adage "what you pay is what you get". as i said before i like to build my own road cars.

cho: its just a sony 3.2MP. whats f-stop? as you can see i'm not an expert photographer, hence i got a point and shoot camera. maybe i'll go up a bit and get a cannon g4 or get a SLR.

chaos: hot wheels are alright. i've got all of schumacher cars since 2000 and one
or two from previous years.

sfd: yeah those exoto are mad. they pay so much attention to detail.

gis

11-27-2003, 10:21 PM

wow,i didnt know maisto made the s2000,my s2000 is from auto art and is pretty well detailed.kinda light in weight aswell compared to all the other auto art ones i have.

i wish i could take pics,i mean i could,but i suck at using a digital camera.lol

666fast

11-28-2003, 12:58 AM

I want those models from Exoto that SFD posted. those are nice!
Have any of you ever seen the resin models? They are pretty cool, but super expensive.

stradale

11-28-2003, 12:15 PM

Those EXOTO models have great detailing, but I know of a man who gives his models the same level of detailing... in 1:43! He's a Frenchman named Jacques Brauer and he uses white metal kits like AMRs (which are very good kits with already lots of detail) as his starting point. He builds chassis', suspensions and makes sure that all doors, hoods, bonnets and everything can open. I'll say it again, this is in 1:43!!

Here are some pictures from his website (http://jacques.brauer.free.fr)
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/anim4.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/anim5.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/anim.gif
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/f11.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/b7.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/f16.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/b14.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/dayt3.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/AMDB6-4.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/astoncapsheme.jpg
http://jacques.brauer.free.fr/images/jpg/AMDB6-5.jpg

On a whole different level, Burago's aren't that well detailed, but usually the shape of the body is pretty good. So they can be used for upgrading. There are even kits available for that.

gis

11-28-2003, 12:44 PM

wow,thats amazing for 1:43 scale

the burage ones,your rightt he shape of them are ok,but when u look around them and open the doors,there is a lot of plastic on it and it doesnt feel metal really IMO

SFDMALEX

11-28-2003, 12:59 PM

What scale are those models SFD?

That ford and the 917 are 1:10 I think. And they cost 800$US.

11-28-2003, 01:20 PM

Fuck I'd have to give away all my furniture to fit that thing in my appartment :D

stracing

11-28-2003, 06:13 PM

haha
TT you don't have to be that drastic. 1:10 isn't as big as you think it is

does anyone know of a japanese master modeler? he charges $3000USD a kit. he specializes in 1:43 f1 kits. i love seeing the work from the masters, i envy them.

gis

11-28-2003, 06:31 PM

$3000 for a 1:43 model,dang,they must be extremely impressive for that cash

stracing

11-29-2003, 07:13 AM

they are, if you put them in a perfect back drop, you could mistake them as the real thing. i wish i just remember his name. he has a website.

gis

11-29-2003, 09:50 AM

ive been trying to think of it why i been out,but i couldnt and tried to look at all the manufacturers in the shop but none of them reminded me.

but i went mad and bought 4 models :shock: i only went with plans to buy 2 maybe 3 but i just couldnt resist,but nuthin special really but i like them.

i got :

mk1 volkswagen golf gti
mercedes benz SL55 AMG
nissan 350Z
and last of all the jabba mobile the lambourghini diablo VT,lol

it was also a great added bonus that a new girl has started workin there and man,the advantages of bein tall and a women with large breasts and small top with cleavage showin,thats where bein tall has its BEST advantages :mrgreen: 0X

stradale

11-29-2003, 10:33 AM

Sounds like you had a nice day! Drooling over cars and girls... LOL

stracing, can't think of the name of the Japanese modeller you mentioned, but it does ring a bell.
If you don't know this site already, I can highly resommend it: http://www.grandprixmodels.co.uk/index.html. It has an enormous database of about 18,000 kits and delivers worldwide. Be sure to check out his online magazine Four Small Wheels as well. It has very good reviews of models and good tips on model building.

jon_s

11-29-2003, 10:40 AM

Gis, you sound like you know the state of affaris over here in the UK...how much is an AutoArt car?? I saw a WRC Scoob for around £45, is that right?? I want the new Gallarado when it comes out! Are AutoArt good quality?? Sorry if that is a silly question, but the last time I had one, it was for X-mass, when I was around 10.

gis

11-29-2003, 10:43 AM

yeah the suto art ones are sweet,great detail,i was lookin for a gallardo myself,but not released yet apparently,the 350Z and the diablo VT i got today were both auto-art models and i got them for £36 each,how much are they priced were u r jon,are they all £45

jon_s

11-29-2003, 10:47 AM

No I don't thik they were all £45, I think it was a special 'racing' version, so it had a premium. Give me a shout if you see the little Lambo out (in BlacK), and I think I might have to treat myself!

£36 sound a bit better aswell!

--just found that they are going to make the M3 CSl........how they going to do the roof!!

http://www.autoartmodels.com/pages/allpage/p5.htm

here is the scooby, one of these.....it was a year or so ago, so not the new ones......

http://www.autoartmodels.com/pages/allpage/p39.htm

gis

11-29-2003, 11:13 AM

ah yes i seen the M3 CSL for ages in the books,i asked them about it and they said it would be released around august :? ...................... but its november now,lol and still no CSL that was top of my list but aint arived yet.

but yeah no problem jon,soon as i hear anythin about the gallardo ill giv u a shout :)

stracing

11-29-2003, 06:57 PM

stracing, can't think of the name of the Japanese modeller you mentioned, but it does ring a bell.
If you don't know this site already, I can highly resommend it: http://www.grandprixmodels.co.uk/index.html. It has an enormous database of about 18,000 kits and delivers worldwide. Be sure to check out his online magazine Four Small Wheels as well. It has very good reviews of models and good tips on model building.

yea i know about the site already. but i've already asked them who manufactured the f1 cars. they basically said hotwheels with their own bases. so i really haven't bothered much with them.

gis

11-29-2003, 07:03 PM

thats another one stracing today i saw a michael schumacher 1:18 model,i think it was a 2001 special

stracing

11-29-2003, 07:06 PM

did you see who made them?

gis

11-29-2003, 07:07 PM

from a quick look through the glass cabinet i think it said maisto but i could be wrong

stradale

11-29-2003, 09:24 PM

Ferrari is a bit of a problem at the moment. They have decided to sell one exclusive license for their car designs and brand name for modelling. Mattel bought that license. So other model makers are now excluded from making current Ferrari models. So Hot Wheels is the only one allowed to make them. There is one exception and that is BBR. Whenever a new Ferrari is launched BBR supplied Ferrari with models of it. Ferrari sent the drawings of the new car to BBR in advance so the models would be ready by the time of the launch. This was being done already before Ferrari decided to make some money off the modelling. Because Hot Wheels can't match the quality of BBR and never will, this exception still stands. The problem for the collector however is obvious. Hot Wheels or BBR and that's it. Especially since Hot Wheels' first models were terrible. This whole thing leads to crazy situations. There is a kit maker out there who's afraid he might get sued by Ferrari for the badge decals he supplies with his models. I think stricltly legally he has a point, because the badge is intellectual property of Ferrari. In an attempt to reduce the risk of being sued he supplies plain yellow badge decals. But, when you brush over them with water the prancing horse and italian flag appear. Ferrari has taken this too far IMO. From the reactions in this thread one can conclude that buying and looking at models is one way to express the love for certain cars. Car manufacturers need these people even if they can't buy a Ferrari in scale 1:1. Enthusiasm for their cars is what makes their marque so incredibly strong. They damage that with this whole license thing, because basically they send out the message that they're only interested in getting as much money out of it as possible. Which is bound to disappoint people, damage the legendary status and slowly damage Ferrari's image. They should let go of this strategy immediately after the agreement with Mattel ends and allow more modellers to acquire a license for a reasonable fee (small independent kit makers can't pay very high fees). /rant

gis

11-29-2003, 09:55 PM

yeah,thats a good point,through all of your rant stradale,lol.i think every company should be allowed to make each car manufacturers cars.they should realise for sum its a hobby to collect these cars.

IMO ferrari should let the license out to anyone who feels to make them.if its money they are after,this way they would make more dont u think?

i dont get these cars for the sake of buyin them,i have been told im a loser for gettin so many,i dont figure why,i save my money coz i enjoy the quality,the looks of them.they look VERY good IMO being displayed.i dont buy them to arse around and throw them around and let everyone come in and mess around with them or let younger kids play with them,they are there to be looked at,and for sum people (me included) to look at cars they dream of and wish they could own,i call my collection "my dream collection" :mrgreen:

stracing

11-29-2003, 10:06 PM

yea that exclusive license has been around for awhile. i'm not really complaining because i can afford the BBR. but yeah it comes to ppl who are less fortunate, they are disadvantaged.

one reason i concluded myself is ppl are making A LOT of money out of the ferrari badge. so they had no choice but give out licenses to companies who can afford them and sell their merchandise. if you walk around the market, you'll see a lot of ferrari stuff. theres even a bed with the f40, but the horse is the other way around so they won't get sued by ferrari

gis

11-29-2003, 10:12 PM

lol,yeah i seen that bed,its dam awesome,it also made an appearence in an episode of friends,lol

stradale

11-30-2003, 10:28 AM

My point is that choice will be limited, because there are now just two modellers who make current Ferrari models. There used to be lots more so you could choose from different modellers. Also modellers who make kits of classic Ferrari's are being more careful. A law suit would certainly kill them off, because most of them are very small. This also has an upside I must say. Marques like Lamborghini, Lotus, Aston Martin etc. are modelled now much more than in the past.

The other point is that the problem lies with the sort of license. I can understand that Ferrari wants a piece of all the money that's being made off their car designs and brand name. The thing I don't understand is how that tried to do that. Giving only one license is easier than giving more licenses for variable fees (small independent kit makers don't have a large output and therefore can't pay a fee like Mattel), but has no regard for the enthusiasts whatsoever. So the problem is not just for the collector who buys within the Hot Wheels price range, but for every collector. Especially in kits of road cars there are others that can match or surpass BBR's quality.

BTW, I saw that Tameo is still making Ferrari F1 kits in 1:43... They're supposed to be excellent as well.

Chaos in 1983!

12-02-2003, 06:18 PM

I just bought a 1:18 Lambo Diablo SE30 from Maisto...it's ok but you can clearly see that it doesn't have very good quality...the interior sucks it's all cheap plastic...but those are the only I could find here, and they only had like 4 of models and they were all of the SE30....I also have a 1:18 Ferrari 250 Testarossa from Bburago which I think is better on the outside but has really crappy interior too...

gis

12-02-2003, 06:32 PM

ah yeah,the cheaper models do have crappy interiors,i have a few of the cheaper ones,you really pay for the outside looks of them,which aintt hat bad to be honest.by far the best interoir one i have is the kyosho black supra,that has all the carpet and sort of leather for the seats,like auto art does,but in the back you can lift the carpet up and there is a tool kit and the spare tyre in there,so that is really cool IMO

stracing

12-02-2003, 08:05 PM

well if you have maisto and the paint is crap. goto your local auto shop and buy some polish and wax. it'll make it look really nice

*disclaimer* i take no responsibility for any damage

gis

12-02-2003, 08:16 PM

lol,nice disclaimer stracing

does it really help,does it make them stand out better?

stracing

12-02-2003, 08:43 PM

yep. ok even after doing it, it "might" not turn out better than the best kits around but still a lot better than not doing it. budget kits have really dull paint and bad paint job to start with. if you polish it up, it gives a shiny look. but its a lot of rubbing. i think i rubbed for over an hour on my S2000.

gis

12-02-2003, 08:49 PM

wow over an hour on one model,i think ill pass doin that,lol or maybe just do one at a time.at this point in time im more worried about findin space for them,lol

stracing

12-02-2003, 08:51 PM

well it was a bad model to start with.
better ones should take a lot less. you could probably even skip the polishing bit and go straight into waxing them.

gis

12-02-2003, 08:54 PM

yeah true,i think ill giv it a go soon,on some of them anyway.

were do u display yours stracing?

stracing

12-02-2003, 09:03 PM

in a small section of a cabinet.
curently 2/3 thirds are packed in a box while i'm waiting for a good all round glass cabinet to come around.
i also leave them in the box they came with so i could maximise the space by stacking them on top of each other and most importantly keep dust away. dust is evil.

Chaos in 1983!

12-02-2003, 09:16 PM

Well... I have to go for the cheap ones, good ones are really hard to find here...I just can't believe how stupid I was and didn't buy some when I was in Italy last year, I walked into a Ferrari store and they had whole walls of 1:18 models...every model you can think of they had it...I guess I'll look for some good ones next time I travel...

stradale

12-02-2003, 09:41 PM

dust is evil

It absolutely is. When I still lived with my parents I had all my models on shelves. I would dust them once in a while, but after some time you can't seem to get it all off. The paint gets. Now I have just a couple of 1:43s on display on a shelf, but in the cases I bought them in. Dust even affects plastics as the cases lose a bit of their transparency and don't get shiny anymore when I dust them.

at this point in time im more worried about findin space for them,lol

About ten years ago I bought my last 1:18, because of the same problem. I tried 1:24 for a while, but there are hardly any good models to find in that scale. So then I stuck to 1:43. Works excellent for me.

gis

12-02-2003, 09:44 PM

stracing - yes,lol,i agree dust is very evil.i display mine on shelves,9 models to each set of shelves,but as u can see with the new ones i bought,i have more than i can fit on the shelves,lol.if i left them in the box and stacked them,i seriously would have no were to stack them,lol.so basically im fucked either way,lol

chaos in 1983 - man u should have bought some from that ferrari store,ones like that will be very rare in the future.there have been a few times were i been to the shop i go to and thought,shall i buy this model.......nah,ill get it next time,and then it aint there anymore.the best example was the impreza 22b i saw in that shop,i just thought,nah,ill get it when i have some more money next time,came back and it was gone,later to find out,it was stopped production and the ones in the shops were the final ones and now i cant get it anymore,lol.

Chaos in 1983!

12-02-2003, 10:21 PM

yeah I know...I really regret not buying any...but I was backpacking around eroupe and really had no space to carry boxes around...but well I still can get good ones in the US which is the place I travel most...

gis

12-02-2003, 10:28 PM

thats cool,you should pick sum good ones up in the US

the good ones to find that i noticed on e-bay that sell for a lot of money are the kyosho ones,the 1:18 scale,especially the RX7,NSX and the supra,them 3 are kinda rare and i saw a few days ago a supra selling for $320 :shock:

Chaos in 1983!

12-02-2003, 10:56 PM

wow...$320 is a lot of money for a scale model....right now I wouln't pay more than $100 for a 1:18...maybe later on when I get a better job and have more money to spend on stuff like that...

I'd like to get the Enzo, F40 and the 355 next, I know they are not rare, but they are great Ferraris...and the 355 is my favorite Ferrari...

gis

12-02-2003, 11:22 PM

the enzo is cool and the 355 looks nice aswell,there is a silver one in the shop here.

yeah your right $320 is a lot to pay for one,i was very lucky when i got mine,there was about 5-6 other auctions goin on for supras and then out of no were this one popped out and whilst everyone else was battling it out for the others,this one was hardly touched and it ended up i got it for $105 i think it was,sumthin like that.

stracing

12-03-2003, 03:10 AM

Chaos in 1983!

12-03-2003, 04:23 AM

wow you got lucky...I've never bought stuff on e-bay, mainly 'cause most of the seller don't ship worldwide...

I had never really been into models, until this year...so far I've only got two...but I will be getting more for sure...

stradale

12-03-2003, 09:53 AM

What were the shipping costs for that model, gis?

gis

12-03-2003, 09:54 AM

but don't forget, these models are all investments
some of my schumacher bbr have doubled in price after a year

schumacher is a legend and will be remembered like juan manuel fangio. could you imagine how much ppl would be willing to pay me for a model 10-20 years later?? i could make up any figure.

hmmm,so do u think it would be a wise decision for "investment" wise,to purchase that ferrari schumacher model i saw at the shop i go to?

stracing

12-03-2003, 06:05 PM

i say go for it, if its manufactured by a respectable company, theres no reason why the price won't go up in the future. you only just need to look at senna cars. i haven't seen any decent models that are less than $1000AUD.

also try and look for the one with best condition. ie the decals line up properly, no paint defects. i'm really picky. because any slight defect loses value.

stracing

12-03-2003, 06:24 PM

Dust even affects plastics as the cases lose a bit of their transparency and don't get shiny anymore when I dust them.

a thought occured to me. wax the transparent lid!!! if its really bad, polish them first. wash the lid in detergent so you wash the dust off first. otherwise you'll be rubbing dust with the polish/wax and that just scratches it.

if you see a scratches after waxing then probably you're not using the right applicator. your auto store should have some. don't go for cheap stuff because its not worth it. i use stuff from Sonax. Mother's polish and wax. make sure its the Carnuba wax.

oh and you don't need to rub hard. it should work because thats how i get fingerprints off the clear plastic that is the windows on my tamiya kits.

Chaos in 1983!

12-12-2003, 05:05 AM

Hey...I need some help with my 1/18 250 Testarossa...my kid cousin took it from the stand and played with it...and he scratched the paint...does anyone know with what can I repair the scratch...?

stradale

12-12-2003, 06:33 AM

It depends on how deep the scratch is I think. If only the transparant top coating is scratched you could try polishing it. If the scratch is deeper and has damaged the red (I assume) paint it's difficult to fix. You could try it with a thin brush and red paint that comes close to the original colour. It won't make it disappear, but it will make it less conspicuous. I'd try polishing it first.

stracing

12-12-2003, 08:11 PM

show us a pic of it if you have a camera. because if its quite deep, you'll be polishing forever. you may have to sand it first.

Chaos in 1983!

12-15-2003, 02:35 AM

hey stradale check this out...I noticed you like the Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 Stradale...well this may be a cool buy...http://www.modellbaushop-bohun.de/shop/online-shop.html?d_436120920_Alfa_Romeo_Tipo_33_Stradale5 265.htm

Chaos in 1983!

12-15-2003, 02:39 AM

well the scratch is pretty deep...I'll take some pics of it when I get a hold of my camera, my dad has it and he won't be back till thursday or friday ...

stracing

12-16-2003, 02:16 AM

can you see the undercoat? if so, maybe a chip stick at an auto store might help. problem is colour matching

Chaos in 1983!

12-16-2003, 03:05 AM

yes you can see the undercoat...what's a chip stick?

stracing

12-16-2003, 03:10 AM

its like putty for paint. put it on to fill in the scratch and polish it to smooth it out.

Chaos in 1983!

12-16-2003, 03:55 AM

...shit man I really need to post a pic...and I won't have my camera 'till sunday...but I really don't think any auto store in Nicaragua carries Rosso Corsa paint :D

Chaos in 1983!

12-16-2003, 05:03 AM

oh I forgot...I was finally able to find a 1/18 Ferrari Enzo model in Nicaragua...it's a Hot Wheels model...but I was wondering what was the difference between the 100% Hot Wheels Enzo and the Hall of Fame Enzo...if anyone has a Hot Wheels Enzo, 100% Hot Wheels or Hall of Fame...please post a pic of it...the one I found is 100% Hot Wheels...should I look for the Hall of Fame Enzo?

stracing

12-16-2003, 05:22 AM

you may be surprised if its a ferrari colour, just check it out anyways. don't say its for your model, say its for the real car :mrgreen:

never heard of the other one, but the hot wheels should be good.

Chaos in 1983!

12-16-2003, 03:34 PM

they are both Hot Wheels...one is 100% Hot Wheels and the other one is Hot Wheels Hall of Fame...

inso

12-16-2003, 03:40 PM

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_25/car_portal_pic_12827.jpg?3704 a new version of f360 ferrari. 15 are being built and 5 of them are already bought.

gis

12-16-2003, 05:17 PM

^^^^^^^ lol,is that a die cast model,LOL :wink:

i have the ferrari enzo hot wheels,i didnt know there was different versions

cavallino

12-16-2003, 05:31 PM

I collect 1:18 scale road cars. Most of my cars are recent road cars. I'm missing 3 key cars in my collection and I was wondering if any of you know where or how I can find these cars. I have been searching for the past two years for these cars.

They are: 1984 Ferrari Testarossa, 1984 Ferrari 288 GTO, and the Mclaren F1 (roadcar).

I have only come across the 1984 Ferrari Testarossa but it was used and the guy wanted way too much for it.

Chaos in 1983!

12-17-2003, 04:03 AM

I went ahead and bought the 100% Hot Wheels Enzo...the temptation was too great...the thing is I can't open it until christmas, I like to keep christmas traditions...it's a gift from me to me :D

12-18-2003, 06:33 PM

A new acquisition for me too:

http://www.flytrap.it/public/ttsib/gt_02.jpg

Very good value for money :D I paid the same as you can pay for a Maisto, but the quality is better :)
No idea about the manufacturer.. on the bottom of the car I can read "The Beanstalk Group".. never heard.. but on the box there was Ford allover LOL.. so maybe just a dummy company?

Guest

12-18-2003, 06:37 PM

Hey, good replica. Is it 1:18 scale? It looks to have a very good quality and you say that isnÂ´t a Maysto. Neither hotwheels?

xkwilson

12-18-2003, 06:38 PM

Wow! Tat is a really nice model of the Ford GT. Very detailed. I used to collect model cars but have to give up cos ran out of space. Haha! Jeremy loves this car so much he has put down his name to get one of those...but only 100 is coming to Europe...so he better pray real hard cos I heard Ford is giving out the cars on a "depends who I like" basis....hahaha...he's gonna have a hard time.

12-18-2003, 06:40 PM

Hey, good replica. Is it 1:18 scale? It looks to have a very good quality and you say that isnÂ´t a Maysto. Neither hotwheels?

As I said, the brand stated on the car is "The Beanstalk Group"... not sure if it's just one of Ford's associated...

jon_s

12-18-2003, 07:07 PM

http://www.beanstalk.com/about/index.html

"The Beanstalk Group is the world's leading brand licensing and promotional merchandise management company. Beanstalk helps its clients license their famous trademarks, copyrights and images, and develops promotional merchandise solutions."

Basically, they did not make the modle, but issued the licence on behalf of Ford. However, that is likely to be the most accurate model you will find.

12-18-2003, 07:17 PM

And for around 25 GBP!! :D

But there was a dark grey 996 GT2 by Autoart that was simply gorgeous!

Ah and to answer Cuansf's question, yes, it's a 1:18... and damn.. I collect 1:43, not big ones LOL

gis

12-18-2003, 08:11 PM

But there was a dark grey 996 GT2 by Autoart that was simply gorgeous

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: i need that model,lol

but the ford GTis amazing quality for Â£25

nismohks

12-18-2003, 09:49 PM

have u ever tried looking for models on ebay ?
i got some of the ones i was after on ebay ?

yours are probably rarer i guess so might not even be on ebay, bu well worth the look. You might find something else you like there, i always do.

12-18-2003, 09:53 PM

I buy a lot from ebay, but living in Europ and most of the eBayers beeing in the US, I don't like to much to buy such things and make them travel all that long way...
And BTW, in the little shop in my town there are way more models than in eBay :D .. that said of course in eBay there always good deals, even when I have to pay high shipping costs :D

gis

12-18-2003, 10:26 PM

the only model i bought off e-bay was the kyosho toyota supra,that was a lot of hard work gettin it here,and there wasnt one day untill it arrived at my house that i was wondering and praying "please be safe and come in one peace" lol

but there are a couple rare ones on there aswell other than the supra which are the RX7,300ZX and i think the NSX is also comin rare by kyosho

stracing

12-18-2003, 10:47 PM

i would never buy models off ebay as i like to have a look at them first. i always go for the perfect model. don't like it if even one decal is off by one degree.

Chaos in 1983!

12-22-2003, 05:05 AM

Wow TT that's a cool model...great find...

oscargarza88

12-22-2003, 02:38 PM

cool ferraris, i bet the new mc laren is a must 4 u, its bad ass.
and btw do u know where i can buy a mc laren f1 lm, very detailed and big if posible.
thanks

12-28-2003, 06:57 PM

Ok, here are my latest additions...

First of, a very simply Minichamps.. as always, only around 1500 were made.. and since the GT2 is not bad at all, I had to buy it :D

1:43 of course is the scale.

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Porsche%20996%20GT2%2001.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Porsche%20996%20GT2%2002.jpg

Another 1:43, another limited edition, 9999 were made of this one... sadly the box was not in mint condition, but since I don't plan to sell my models, it's perfect for me anyway :)

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Mercedes-Benz%20C111-II%2001.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Mercedes-Benz%20C111-II%2002.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Mercedes-Benz%20C111-II%2003.jpg

But the best one, and the best model I have so far is this Kyosho.. 1:18, Lamborghini Miura Jota SVR... the detail level is superb for the price I paid!

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2001.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2002.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2003.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2004.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2005.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2006.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2007.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2008.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2009.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2010.jpg

http://www.kscreations.net/temp1/Lamborghini%20Miura%20Jota%20SVR%2011.jpg

The pics are small and light, to avoid pissing off the 56k users :P