Driving mistake or material defect....

[a007apl]

http://www.lambounfall.de/indexe.html

[a007apl]

Those whells dont originals of Lamborghini, I believe its + bad driving + the crash.
(Batman)

[Banchi105]

Sounds like a brake failure to me. Sudden clamping of a single wheel could easily have caused that.

[hamlet]

really strange, both the accidents and the comments from that guy !!

I can not understand some of its points, like water getting into the engine and leading to the loss of 2 cylinders or the handling of the Gallardo in the first gear with the E-gear... :?: :?:

And how could a disk break fail if it is not loaded? usually this happen during braking, under load and heat, but not like that on a straight line :| :?:

As mentionned by a007apl, the rims were not the original ones? was he sure that they were OK for that car (same dimensions, ET...)?

When reading this, I have some doubts about that guy knowing anything in cars and therefore I would not be surprised if he tried something on the motorway... as he sais, may be he forgot what he did after the crash.

Bye

[tintin40]

Sounds to me like ' A poor workman blames his tools' . Nothing wrong with any Lamborghini. Who knows what the last owner did to the car?? Don't buy second hand.

[FuelInjection09]

I'm gunna post this on Lambo-power.com and see what other lambo owners think. I bet those crappy aftermarket wheels played a role in the accident. The awd in lambos is pretty sensitive to change.

[hamlet]

^^^^some answers ?? Would be curious to get their opinion...

[FuelInjection09]

Ok, everyone on Lambo-Power have reached this conclusion: The guy is a freaking idiot. Judging by what he wrote he obviously knows jack about Lambos. First of all e-gear Does Have A Clutch, it's just electromagneticly engaged and disengaged. Second, all the crap he's mentioned about the cars breaking down has never been duplicated by any of the members. I'm going to take an educated guess and say that his accident was due to driver error. At the high speed he was traveling the steering wheel could of easily jerked out of his hand because of a bump, pothole, or slight dip in the road. At roughly 240km/hr (over 140mph), any jerky movement can send the car flying off the road; maybe he should of kept both hands on the wheel. :!:

[Daggernite]

I dont think anyone can say for sure. Its easy for him to place the blame on someone else and say hes skilled and not his fault. But yet he could be telling the complete truth, theres no way to know which is correct. It could be a problem which has escalated over time because of the previous owner. Either way doubt anyone will know for sure.

[tintin40]

Also he is lucky to be alive. If it hadn't been so well made with a steel roof then he would most certainly be dead now.Rather than bad mouthing Lamborghini he should be saying how great they are for him to still be alive.

[hamlet]

The guy is a freaking idiot. Judging by what he wrote he obviously knows jack about Lambos.

I agree with this because there are a few funny things in his story... like the clutch, or the water in the cylinders due to car washing :shock: :shock: and this anyway does not explain is accident because if he would have had something on the engine, he would have probably not been able to accelerate up to 240km/h without noticing something...

I am still convinced that he somehow lost the control of the car and can not or don't want to remember... :cry:

[Pokiou]

the water in teh engine bay is normal ... my mates mr2 died cause of this .. but toyota looked into it right away.. toyota's fuck up...

and for teh crash im assuming he used the wrong tyre type for the car a wrong tyre load and this would of caused the tyre to explode.. but still with such a perfectly balanced car.. it still should of gone straight and not jsut swerved unless he wsnt holding the steeringwheel correctly...

i had my tyre pop at 150 on the freeway.. car still went straight but i noticed it was had to do anything other then brake slowly and gear down asap....

some of the points he pointed out are correct... ive heard of a few fuck ups with the car as in bolts loose rattling and mechanic problems... i guess cuase these cars are hanf built(i think im wrong)

but still this accident should of not happened...

but as im saying i think he used the wrong tyre loads thats the only thing...

but if what he says is right .. damn lambo and damn there cars.. almost cost the guy his life...

[hamlet]

the water in teh engine bay is normal ... my mates mr2 died cause of this ...

But I do not understand: how can you get water into the cylinders due to car washing? If water can infiltrate into the cylinders, how does it work with the gas under compression in the cylinders ?? You should then loose compression and therefore power ?

Can someone explain me... thanks

[DI48LO]

Hey Hamlet, sorry fr the late post, I just read this one... Well I learned mechanics but I don't have much practice... There would be a way to get water in the cylinders. Note that when the engine's stopped, the majority of the valves are open. And if I remember correct he had mentioned some problems with the airducts. So if the water gets easy into the intake, it will get more easily into the cylinders.
Well I'm not so sure about this, :roll: I'm waiting for others to say their opinion...

[hamlet]

interesting, I did not thought about this...you might then be right! Would be interesting to get the opinion of a mechanical expert.

That 's why I find cool to chat...just keep on learning :wink:

[oscargarza88]

wow this is defenetly interesting...
i woudl have some opinions but i doubt they would be correct... ur guesses are better than mine by far im guessing.. im no mechanic... just a car fanatic...
although water going in the cilinders sounds weird i belive it is posible as they said throught he intake... hey if dust and stuff like that could go into ur engine then why coudnt water...
anywayas ill wait to see a mechanic's comment.... cause cars have too much stuff i think mst of us woudnt understand completely..

[1zippo1]

kinf of late... but here I go.
According to experts tire failure didn't happen and the aftermarket wheels also didn't have anything to do with the accident. In fact they look like they were of very good quality because none of them broke, they were only deformed by the impact.
I'd rather have a wheel go than the spindle! Just say no to bling rims.

Interesting and little known fact, very light braking will cause the rotor to overheat. At 100km/h, if you apply just a bit of pressure to barely scrub a bit of speed off, the pads will overheat, melt on the rotor, and quickly enough (we're talking 5-10 seconds) the vibration will warp the rotor (until you change it). It wouldn't then be too crazy to imagine that going 240km/h would overheat and warp the discs enough so that they'd fail in a matter of seconds ... and we'd have the torn off rotor we can see.

Ok, so what are you saying, brake hard or just don't brake ...

I'm not a technical guy and I won't say what you saying isn't true but isn't it normal if you're on the highway, driving at say 160km/h were you can go 120km/h, isn't it normal that you sometimes have to shave of some speed if someone pulls in front of you? I allways try to drive as fluently as possible, and at the highway this means no sudden braking unless it's really necessary.

An interesting read though.

[AlienDB7]

Interesting and little known fact, very light braking will cause the rotor to overheat. At 100km/h, if you apply just a bit of pressure to barely scrub a bit of speed off, the pads will overheat, melt on the rotor, and quickly enough (we're talking 5-10 seconds) the vibration will warp the rotor (until you change it). It wouldn't then be too crazy to imagine that going 240km/h would overheat and warp the discs enough so that they'd fail in a matter of seconds ... and we'd have the torn off rotor we can see.
I'm not a mechanic myself but the overheat theory doesn't make sense. If the brake pads would overheat easily with light braking, half of the people on the freeway would have crashed already. Although, like zippo, I prefer to drive smoothly with minimal braking, I find it not uncommon to slow down just 10-20kph on the freeway in situations such as merging traffic. I may be wrong but I think what you're referring to is probably more in line with someone who put the foot on the brake for minutes while going downhill.

If the guy suspect it's lambo's problem, can't they check the car's black box? In a modern day car, so many things can go wrong, who knows if it's due to faulty sensor or software. At that speed, even tire pressure can cause the problem.

[DeMoN]

said it on the other thread, say it here... he deserved that cuz of those rims.