Uninsured get Crushed

[a007apl]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=11985

[graywolf624]

There goes any chance of having a project car in the uk..

[db350ztrack]

There goes any chance of having a project car in the uk..

not really.. as long as its registered with the DVLA as 'off the road' then there isn't a problem

[MadMax]

There goes any chance of having a project car in the uk..

not really.. as long as its registered with the DVLA as 'off the road' then there isn't a problem

... and insured! :D

nope.. I'm pretty sure you'll find that article was written in a misleading way, the point being that any car driven by a person with no insurance OR any car that isn't registered (even if its kept off road - like a project car probably would be) can now be taken away and crushed

nothing new there really.. they've been trying to make people keep the registration of unused /project cars up to date for a few years now with the SORN form.. now they've just added a bit so they can take your car away and scrap it if you don't play along.

it does not say you have to insure cars that are kept off the road

[Anonymous]

There goes any chance of having a project car in the uk..

not really.. as long as its registered with the DVLA as 'off the road' then there isn't a problem

... and insured! :D

nope.. I'm pretty sure you'll find that article was written in a misleading way, the point being that any car driven by a person with no insurance OR any car that isn't registered (even if its kept off road - like a project car probably would be) can now be taken away and crushed

nothing new there really.. they've been trying to make people keep the registration of unused /project cars up to date for a few years now with the SORN form.. now they've just added a bit so they can take your car away and scrap it if you don't play along.

it does not say you have to insure cars that are kept off the road

Yup the problem is with the cars registered to nobody, driven without insurance, license, tax or used by thieves as "pool" cars. Since we've had one "project" morris eight in our garage for about 18 years havign a project car registered off the road, not insured, not illegal. i agree a misleading article, but a step in the right direction law wise, you can bet most people involved in hit & run's are unisured idiots with no license

[SilviaEvo]

ladyman strikes again.........

[RC45]

Stupid and costly to execute legislation... :roll:

"We estimate that every law-abiding motorist pays £30 a year because of uninsured drivers. This new measure will be coupled with new police powers to electronically spot and ultimately to seize and destroy cars without insurance. We are determined to rid the roads of the menace of uninsured driving."

So in order to "save" motorists 30 quid a year they are going through this rather absurd level of enforcement?

Why should you not be allowd to have an unregistered project car in your back shed?

What sort of draconian Nazi police state do you folks live in?

I mean - surely it is ever Englishman's God-given right to have a clapped out Morris Minor rusting in the back yard?

:P

[graywolf624]

not really.. as long as its registered with the DVLA as 'off the road' then there isn't a problem
See but if you register it off road can it ever be registered back on road? At what costs..Here its high to go completely non road legal and then attempt to go back. If you define a project car as one your preparing for road use some day, then effectively theyve screwed you out of a project since I doubt you can register a car thats barely a car.

[Anonymous]

not really.. as long as its registered with the DVLA as 'off the road' then there isn't a problem
See but if you register it off road can it ever be registered back on road? At what costs..Here its high to go completely non road legal and then attempt to go back. If you define a project car as one your preparing for road use some day, then effectively theyve screwed you out of a project since I doubt you can register a car thats barely a car.

well its pounds if it costs anything at all, if it cost alot it wouldn;t have been worth doing for my dads 2cv project :P And we are resonably free to do what we like modifcation wise so long as it passes the MOT AFAIK. For extreme cases i guess it would just have to pass the same test kit cars do. Again this is really nothing new, jsut they have powers to crush the arseholes cars. Like the one local to me, fucking scally banned repeatedly from driving. Drove an uninsured car and knocked a kid off his bike killing him. Get rid of the unregestered cars, you make it harder for the scum of the earth, if only there were harsher penalities to go with it :bah:

[ZfrkS62]

Stupid and costly to execute legislation... :roll:

"We estimate that every law-abiding motorist pays £30 a year because of uninsured drivers. This new measure will be coupled with new police powers to electronically spot and ultimately to seize and destroy cars without insurance. We are determined to rid the roads of the menace of uninsured driving."

So in order to "save" motorists 30 quid a year they are going through this rather absurd level of enforcement?

Why should you not be allowd to have an unregistered project car in your back shed?

What sort of draconian Nazi police state do you folks live in?

I mean - surely it is ever Englishman's God-given right to have a clapped out Morris Minor rusting in the back yard?

:P

That's what they claim. But really, i'm wondering how much in taxes they are losing with these project cars not being registered. Something tells me that that's the main motive here. Taxes, Taxes, Taxes :roll:

[graywolf624]

Yeah how much do they collect for the off road registration?

[HAGGE]

That's what they claim. But really, i'm wondering how much in taxes they are losing with these project cars not being registered. Something tells me that that's the main motive here. Taxes, Taxes, Taxes :roll:

it costs nothing to keep your car registered.. you only pay tax if you're using the car on the road ;)

[Anonymous]

Stupid and costly to execute legislation... :roll:

"We estimate that every law-abiding motorist pays £30 a year because of uninsured drivers. This new measure will be coupled with new police powers to electronically spot and ultimately to seize and destroy cars without insurance. We are determined to rid the roads of the menace of uninsured driving."

So in order to "save" motorists 30 quid a year they are going through this rather absurd level of enforcement?

Why should you not be allowd to have an unregistered project car in your back shed?

What sort of draconian Nazi police state do you folks live in?

I mean - surely it is ever Englishman's God-given right to have a clapped out Morris Minor rusting in the back yard?

:P

That's what they claim. But really, i'm wondering how much in taxes they are losing with these project cars not being registered. Something tells me that that's the main motive here. Taxes, Taxes, Taxes :roll:

LOL how many times do we have to say this, the SORN declaration means it is registered, just as off the road, i,e. not using them unless being driven to a registered MOT station.

[ZfrkS62]

well dammit, i think the US could take a lesson from that one :? They don't care if it's on or off the road, they tax you for it :x

[graywolf624]

on or off the road,
Not quite true.
If you remove your car to off road you dont have to register the car at all. The issue is if you reregister in most states you have to pay back penalties for not keeping your registration up to date. Note though, car doesnt have to be driveable to register, as inspection is usually seperate.
Also note the late penalty thing varies by state.

In PA its easy to register something like a kit car or a rework..
Ive heard in Ca its like pulling teeth.

[SFDMALEX]

Insurance is crime, pure racketeering.

If someone crashes into me, I take em to court, win the case and make em pay for the repairs.

If I crash into someone I go to court and if I am found guilty then I pay.

If I crash into someone and brake their legs I go to court and fight the case. If I was drunk then stick me in jail, if the guy was jaywalking then he pays for his prosthetics and for the dents in my car.


SImple is that. Why the fuck should I pay someone for nothing?


CAR INSRUANCE=MAFIA

[graywolf624]

SImple is that. Why the fuck should I pay someone for nothing?
Easy.. joe schmoe hits you and he has no money.. who pays for the surgery you need and your car?
My boss' brother is in the hospital after being hit on a bike by a car. Had the person who hit him(a youngin) not had insurance, he would not get the rehab that will allow him to walk again.

The canadian equivelent.. Youve just now punnished millions of tax payers cause some idiot cant drive.. And if you drove something really expensive the kid cant pay off for your damages.. Then what?

You drive a ferrari.. Your hit by someone in a 30 year old pinto who is 18 and lives out of a dormatory.. Where is the money going to come from? He puts his car through the wall of your house or garage. Wheres that comming from?

I hate paying insurance as much as everyone else, and I think it can be a sham based on how the payments are structured, but there are all sorts of eventualities that only something like insurance can cover you for.

[RC45]

Stupid and costly to execute legislation... :roll:

"We estimate that every law-abiding motorist pays £30 a year because of uninsured drivers. This new measure will be coupled with new police powers to electronically spot and ultimately to seize and destroy cars without insurance. We are determined to rid the roads of the menace of uninsured driving."

So in order to "save" motorists 30 quid a year they are going through this rather absurd level of enforcement?

Why should you not be allowd to have an unregistered project car in your back shed?

What sort of draconian Nazi police state do you folks live in?

I mean - surely it is ever Englishman's God-given right to have a clapped out Morris Minor rusting in the back yard?

:P

That's what they claim. But really, i'm wondering how much in taxes they are losing with these project cars not being registered. Something tells me that that's the main motive here. Taxes, Taxes, Taxes :roll:

LOL how many times do we have to say this, the SORN declaration means it is registered, just as off the road, i,e. not using them unless being driven to a registered MOT station.

You mean like registering your guns?

Oh - wait.. they already took those.. :P :lol: hehe

[SFDMALEX]

SImple is that. Why the fuck should I pay someone for nothing?
Easy.. joe schmoe hits you and he has no money.. who pays for the surgery you need and your car?


He sells his wife, kids, house and sells his soul to the devil. I honestly couldnt give to shit, get a loan or something.....


And if I do have to pay then make it reasonable.

Check this mate. I get quoted 5 fucking grand a year for a shit box civic whose worth is 3 grand. Thats fucking racketeering man, and it just pisses me off as you can tell.

Canadian insurance is astronomical.

I have a friend in Minesota and he pays something like 50$ a month. That I understand for what insruance offers in the long run.

But look at me, I cant afford to have a car because they quote me 5 grand. Thats a years worth of school at University of Toronto for Christ sake...

[graywolf624]

He sells his wife, kids, house and sells his soul to the devil. I honestly couldnt give to shit, get a loan or something.....

Your average person could sell himself into slavery and still not pay off a ferrari or your house if he hit them.. Let alone someone who started out with no money.

But look at me, I cant afford to have a car because they quote me 5 grand. Thats a years worth of school at University of Toronto for Christ sake...
Hence the comment about price structure.. I get 400 dollars off cause I go to school full time.. I enjoy the discount but what does me going to school full time and getting good grades have to do with my driving ability.. I know a kid who had straight As at tech who drove like a moron.
That being said, shop around.. And call for an insurance quote before buying a car.. Some cars are higher not because of performance but because of the type of people who buy the car or the safety structures..
Lastly.. get married or turn 25 and it drops.

[Anonymous]

Stupid and costly to execute legislation... :roll:

"We estimate that every law-abiding motorist pays £30 a year because of uninsured drivers. This new measure will be coupled with new police powers to electronically spot and ultimately to seize and destroy cars without insurance. We are determined to rid the roads of the menace of uninsured driving."

So in order to "save" motorists 30 quid a year they are going through this rather absurd level of enforcement?

Why should you not be allowd to have an unregistered project car in your back shed?

What sort of draconian Nazi police state do you folks live in?

I mean - surely it is ever Englishman's God-given right to have a clapped out Morris Minor rusting in the back yard?

:P

That's what they claim. But really, i'm wondering how much in taxes they are losing with these project cars not being registered. Something tells me that that's the main motive here. Taxes, Taxes, Taxes :roll:

LOL how many times do we have to say this, the SORN declaration means it is registered, just as off the road, i,e. not using them unless being driven to a registered MOT station.

You mean like registering your guns?

Oh - wait.. they already took those.. :P :lol: hehe

nono i still have my pump action shot gun, i use it for shooting gypo robbers in the back :P oh wait no i'd be the one who'd end up in prison :P For shooting someone who is in MY house stealing and could do anything... might even have a gun themselves

(for those who don't know google tony martin )

[Yablokov]

nono i still have my pump action shot gun, i use it for shooting gypo robbers in the back oh wait no i'd be the one who'd end up in prison For shooting someone who is in MY house stealing and could do anything... might even have a gun themselves

technically, if he is still inside your house, you can kill him anyways u like. and it will be self defense.

but i have heard of cases, like a man robbing a house via sneaking through the kitchen skylight. he accidentally broke the glass, and fell onto the kitchen island; cutting himself on a knife. he sued the owners of the home, and won. =(

[TransAm]

You mean like registering your guns?

Oh - wait.. they already took those.. :P :lol: hehe

Not all of them they didnt...

When my grandfather died in the mid-nineties one of the things he left me was a German army Luger pistol. He'd kept it serviceable all those years, cleaned and lubed.

I can't get ammo for it in the UK though, of course :wink:

[Anonymous]

nono i still have my pump action shot gun, i use it for shooting gypo robbers in the back oh wait no i'd be the one who'd end up in prison For shooting someone who is in MY house stealing and could do anything... might even have a gun themselves

technically, if he is still inside your house, you can kill him anyways u like. and it will be self defense.
=(

not true here, reasonable force is acceptable or if it is the first weapon you reach for in fear of your life.