*** 2005 Brazilian Grand Prix ***

[Toronto]

Qualifying
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points

1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:11.988
2 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.145
3 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:12.558
4 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:12.696
5 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.781
6 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:12.889
7 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:12.976
8 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:13.041
9 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:13.151
10 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:13.183
11 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:13.285
12 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:13.372
13 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:13.387
14 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:13.538
15 8 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW 1:13.581
16 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:13.844
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:14.520
18 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:14.763
19 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda
20 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth

[ZfrkS62]

i was wondering where this thread was :D

Watching practice 2 right now. Schumi is fastest in session 2 so far with alonso 5th.

shaping up to be a great race :D

[|Nuno|]

Brilliant... Now the supposed "super" tyres will only be used in Japan, because Bridgestone "found something" in Jerez... That means that Ferrari's using the France based spec tyres. :roll: Add that to car that has already stopped being developed for some time now, and we have another humilliation ahead.


I hope it rains on Sunday...

[ZfrkS62]

Brilliant... Now the supposed "super" tyres will only be used in Japan, because Bridgestone "found something" in Jerez... That means that Ferrari's using the France based spec tyres. :roll: Add that to car that has already stopped being developed for some time now, and we have another humilliation ahead.


I hope it rains on Sunday...

well Schumi dropped to 5th with McLaren jumping to the front.

If it rains, i think we will see championship tighten up severly. Bridgestone may have failed in their quest for a good dry tire, but they are still superior with their wets.

[|Nuno|]

Brilliant... Now the supposed "super" tyres will only be used in Japan, because Bridgestone "found something" in Jerez... That means that Ferrari's using the France based spec tyres. :roll: Add that to car that has already stopped being developed for some time now, and we have another humilliation ahead.


I hope it rains on Sunday...

well Schumi dropped to 5th with McLaren jumping to the front.

If it rains, i think we will see championship tighten up severly. Bridgestone may have failed in their quest for a good dry tire, but they are still superior with their wets.


Heh, not really if you look at Spa. :| Michelin did a lot of Wet tyre testing in the winter and tightened the gap; I'd say they're comparable right now, maybe with a small adavantadge to Michelin. The little fuckers completely copied the Bridgestone's intermediates tread design...

[ZfrkS62]

Brilliant... Now the supposed "super" tyres will only be used in Japan, because Bridgestone "found something" in Jerez... That means that Ferrari's using the France based spec tyres. :roll: Add that to car that has already stopped being developed for some time now, and we have another humilliation ahead.


I hope it rains on Sunday...

well Schumi dropped to 5th with McLaren jumping to the front.

If it rains, i think we will see championship tighten up severly. Bridgestone may have failed in their quest for a good dry tire, but they are still superior with their wets.


Heh, not really if you look at Spa. :| Michelin did a lot of Wet tyre testing in the winter and tightened the gap; I'd say they're comparable right now, maybe with a small adavantadge to Michelin. The little fuckers completely copied the Bridgestone's intermediates tread design...

True, but i still don't think Michelin has the formula down for the inters. tread design does not entirely dictate a tire's performance.

[taygunho]

fri practise 2
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 35 Alexander Wurz McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.083
2 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.694
3 38 Ricardo Zonta Toyota 1:12.706
4 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:12.710
5 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:13.088
6 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:13.172
7 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:13.202
8 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:13.205
9 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:13.493
10 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:13.518
11 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:13.545
12 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:13.650
13 8 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW 1:13.828
14 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 1:13.922
15 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:14.006
16 37 Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull Racing 1:14.141
17 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:14.189
18 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:14.427
19 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:14.563
20 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:14.584
21 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:14.671
22 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:14.698
23 39 Nicolas Kiesa Jordan-Toyota 1:15.094
24 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:15.187

[|Nuno|]

Brilliant... Now the supposed "super" tyres will only be used in Japan, because Bridgestone "found something" in Jerez... That means that Ferrari's using the France based spec tyres. :roll: Add that to car that has already stopped being developed for some time now, and we have another humilliation ahead.


I hope it rains on Sunday...

well Schumi dropped to 5th with McLaren jumping to the front.

If it rains, i think we will see championship tighten up severly. Bridgestone may have failed in their quest for a good dry tire, but they are still superior with their wets.


Heh, not really if you look at Spa. :| Michelin did a lot of Wet tyre testing in the winter and tightened the gap; I'd say they're comparable right now, maybe with a small adavantadge to Michelin. The little fuckers completely copied the Bridgestone's intermediates tread design...

True, but i still don't think Michelin has the formula down for the inters. tread design does not entirely dictate a tire's performance.


Yeah, I wasn't relying on the tread design alone. But look at this:

When it rained at Indy in 2003, by the time all the drivers had the inters on, Schummi was being about 3 seconds a lap faster than Raikokonen and a Sauber finished in third, ahead of a Renault. Hell, even the Jordans were being fast!


And now look at Spa, this year...

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Saturday Practise 1


1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:12.738

2 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:12.789

3 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:13.050

4 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:13.088

5 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:13.186

6 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:13.529

7 8 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW 1:13.795

8 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:13.869

9 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:13.908

10 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:13.952

11 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:14.042

12 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:14.051

13 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:14.112

14 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:14.255

15 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:14.401

16 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:14.479

17 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:14.851

18 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:15.252

19 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 1:15.772

20 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:15.815

[taygunho]

saturday practice 2
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:11.929
2 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:12.110
3 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:12.148
4 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:12.158
5 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.292
6 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:12.382
7 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:12.453
8 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:12.509
9 8 Antonio Pizzonia Williams-BMW 1:12.752
10 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:12.799
11 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:12.811
12 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:13.199
13 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:13.222
14 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:13.242
15 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:13.305
16 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:13.508
17 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:13.817
18 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:14.012
19 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:14.114
20 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 1:14.595

[sameerrao]

Alonso on Pole .. Kimi made a mistake in the Senna S

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1601/f1qually2ca.jpg

[5vz-fe]

Kimi screwed up :twisted: :twisted:

[taygunho]

klien 6th in grid. good qualifying for him 1 second better than coulthard.

[ZfrkS62]

i hope JPM goes kamikaze on Alonso somewhere

[kksh]

Shit! Rare mistake from Kimi. But it'll be fun to see him charge up the field provided he doesn't get held up by Button and Fisi. At least he'll be on the clean side of the road and probably out drag Button. I want to see an out and out fight between Kimi, JPM and Alonso. No holds barred. The championship's lost anyway. With the updated Renault, the car's more than a match for the MP4/20. Can't wait for the race. Go McLaren!!!!

[kksh]

Alonso's a chicken. No balls whatsoever. Even with the championship won, he won't dare go wheel to wheel with JPM or Kimi.

[Max Power]

here's what's gonna happen......JPM will take the lead after the 1st lap...then he will give it up to Kimi with 12 laps remaining then he'll get rear ended by Sato and finsih 3rd with Alonso 2nd and Kimi 1st...its a lock

[SilviaEvo]

i figured from the start that Alonso was going to win. especially with the updated Renault. im not a fan of Alonso honestly i want Kimi to win

[5vz-fe]

I am not a big fan of Alonso.......but this time, kimi screwed himself up, throwing away the tiny chance of fightback

[kksh]

the chance is sitll there provided he doesn't get held up. By Fisi or JB.

But fisi should be more than a match for Alonso this time around with the updated Renault on the circuit of his first ever win.

Too bad Intelagos isn't a great track to pass.

[RAMMIUS]

i hope JPM goes kamikaze on Alonso somewhere


:lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[|Nuno|]

Hooray, the rain dance worked!! :mrgreen:


http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/BRXX0232.html

[RAMMIUS]

an acceptable race for the Scuderia , and a brilliant one for McLaren , Montoya , incredible but he didn`t drive like an idiot :P

For Kimi this year it`s finished :(

[dingo]

Congrats to Alonso - well deserved championship!!!!!!!! :D

[|Nuno|]

Congrats to Alonso, I guess... Although I preferred Kimi to win, I must admit Alonso did a good job - yes, he was lucky, but at the same time he barely committed any mistakes and used his head. What I don't understand is the whining... "No one ever helped me, blah, blah, blah..." Give me a break. :roll:

So yeah, not much else to say... The race was quite boring, with my highlights being Schumacher's move on Fisichela on the first lap, and also Ruben's move on Button.


By the way, Bridgestone didn't bring the old tyres after all; they brought a tyre based on the 2004 spec, but with a harder compound. That's what Jordan and Minardi have been using for the most part of the season, according to Auto Motor Und Sport. They also say that the introduction of the "Super Tyres" was cancelled fter Badoer and Gené expressed their negative feelings about the tyres. Now, Schumacher himself will try out the new tyres at Fiorano this week, before it is to be decided if the new rubber will be taken to the last two races in Japan and China.

[nthfinity]

it was nice to see M. Shumacher make some moves early on in the race, and have his highest finish since Indy. it definately lookslike Ferrari is going to hold onto 3rd for the manufacturer's title, and i hope that Mclaren take the constructors home this year. Kimi is definately a GREAT driver, but really i hope that JPM keeps on winning the remaining GP's... its a great combination IMO now that they are both actually driving rather then a spirited 3rd driver going out.

its unfortunate that toyota is loosing competitivness, and it definately seem slike thier mechanical grip is lacking, however, they have a very good aero package. Mclaren has definately got the best car out there; lets see if thier reliabiltiy keeps up. im not suprised by the 1,2 finish :)