Ferrari 430 Blueprints to aid 3d modeling.

[simongibson]

Hi, not sure where exactly to post this so admins please move it to the correct place if its wrong.

ANyhow I am currently modeling a Ferrari 430 at work and I have been looking for blueprints for this car but have had great difficulty. Does anyone have any or could point me in the right direction? I will have to bite the bullet soon enough and start making it from photo reference anyways but blueprints would mean i could get modeling quicker!

I will be posting shots of the finished car here once Im allowd.
Cheers

Simon Gibson

[saadie]

try http://blueprints.onnovanbraam.com/

[ARMAN]

Will I have payed in the end? :P

Its not here but this is great site for BP's http://blueprints.onnovanbraam.com/blueprints/cars/

Try forum on www.nfscars.com or simular :wink:

EDIT: damn Saadie you were faster :)

[simongibson]

Thanks for those links. Although I had already checked onno's site :D

[Toronto]

so those big shot game companies just steal blue prints?
wouldn't ferrari give you them? wanting the car to be more true to its shape in real life?

[nthfinity]

so those big shot game companies just steal blue prints?
wouldn't ferrari give you them? wanting the car to be more true to its shape in real life?
i was wondering the same thing...

anyway, im very pleased with the look of the models individuals are doing for GTR...

[jasc]

He's actually a "designer" for a Chinese automaker. :P

[ARMAN]

/\ LOL :lol:

[bmagni]

He's actually a "designer" for a Chinese automaker. :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:

sounds like the guy that was asking if the f430 was reliable enough to buy one, and how often did he have to change oil... as easy as going directly to ferrari, if you have the license to do the game theyll give them to you

[RC45]

Hi, not sure where exactly to post this so admins please move it to the correct place if its wrong.

ANyhow I am currently modeling a Ferrari 430 at work (Computer games company that specialises in racing titles) and I have been looking for blueprints for this car but have had great difficulty. Does anyone have any or could point me in the right direction? I will have to bite the bullet soon enough and start making it from photo reference anyways but blueprints would mean i could get modeling quicker!

I will be posting shots of the finished car here once Im allowd (next generation PS3/XBOX360 title).

Cheers

Simon Gibson

Pay for them like the rest of the world has to.

Shouldn't we treat this post the same way we treat a request for a copyrighted movie or piece of software? ;)

[antonioledesma]

big shot SW company having a kiddo looking for blueprints? shouldn't they have bought the rights and asked ferrari for those blueprints? :roll:

[ARMAN]

I think its time to add it to BULSHITTERS HALL OF SHAME topic :D

[bmagni]

I think its time to add it to BULSHITTERS HALL OF SHAME topic :D

is there such topic ??? i second that, there should be a forum...

[ARMAN]

It was a sticky in gen chat as I remember

[nthfinity]

It was a sticky in gen chat as I remember did nobody notice that topic has disappeared??

[racer_f50]

usually Ferrari Owner's manuals have at least 3-view blueprints in them, so you could always ask a kind F430 owner on Ferrarichat.com to scan them for you.

[bmagni]

It was a sticky in gen chat as I remember did nobody notice that topic has disappeared??

it should be brought back

[nthfinity]

It was a sticky in gen chat as I remember did nobody notice that topic has disappeared??

it should be brought back
you know... 60 or so pages of posts showing people who shame themselves...
really, since the admin team has been widened so much, and the rules are clearly placed, there definately has been less of a need for it.

[simongibson]

Well thanks for the pleasent welcome guys. Car companies are not as helpful as one might think.

I've already asked at Ferrariforum.com but i was directed to a thread here so tried my luck ;)

If u'd like to see my old portfolio check out http://simongibson.deviantart.com

Im on a workplacement with a games company :)

n.b bmagni you have no idea how licensing works, so dont be pretencious about it.

[nthfinity]

^^^
looks like some quality modeling/texturing for the testarossa, and quite good for the 612 as well... but the wing looks out of place IMO...

a while back somebody posted a rendered image of a 275 gtb... could that have been you?

[ARMAN]

Try to ask on www.nfscars.com forum, there are buch of modellers

[simongibson]

no the 275 wasnt me. I only found about this 2 days ago. Alot of my work these days can't be shown because of the nature of the games industry. Its a pity everyone is so skeptical and giving me shit about it. Doesn't make me feel welcome to this great forum resource.

[olblue]

Leaping to Simon's defence here - mainly because I was there when he pitched for his placement with the company. (Top tip - take a mobile phone that can store images and you have a mobile showreel whenever you need it) I had to register to read the post so I might as well chip in.

A lot of the design work undertaken by games companies in this regard tends to be either contracted work from artists outside the company who have no access to the full ltechnical specs, or, artists working in the company who are just unable to get the references that they need. Even if you are working with a massive company like, for example, Ferrari, it doesnt mean that they are going to hand you every piece of technical data that they have, and this includes accurate blueprints. A lot of game companies I know have, rather ironically, gotten a lot more accurate information from Airfix kits... kind of says it all really.

Anyway, glad someone pointed me to this forum - always glad to meet new artists. Oh, and as you dont know me from Adam, Hi! I run a small 3d training site and I am looking forward to having a good read through the boards here.

Cris
3d-p

[simongibson]

thanks Olblue for giving my mobile portfolio idea away :P

[olblue]

Pff. If you have a good idea then share it. Pity I never thought of it first. ;)

[ARMAN]

Its a pity everyone is so skeptical and giving me shit about it. Doesn't make me feel welcome to this great forum resource.

there were quite few bullshitters on this site, its your choice if you feel offended or not ofcouse.
Golden unwritten rule - pics or STFU is working perfectly always. If someone cannot prove what he says he will be taken as a bullshitter, you have to understand that :wink: Cannot prove - no need to claim anything. You could just say that you make a 3d model and thats all, everyone whould understand it and I am sure would help if could.

[Anonymous]

well can't blame us for being sceptical, saying you work for a top games maker we would assume they have the resources to get hold of more details than most people. As far as i'm aware ferrari aren't in the gran turismo series because they wanted to much cash. Therefore you would assume they would give the people who pay this cash the info to do their cars justice atleast you would hope so. If thats not how it works then forgive us for not having an in depth knowledge, the fact remains however that there's alot of good reasons this info isn't widely available and is the property of ferrari.

[simongibson]

I dont blame you for being skeptical, its the smartest thing to do. But the downside of being skeptical is not believing anything you see, even when its the truth. I too also believed working at a games company would mean I'd get easier resources, but that so isnt true, although we do have a dedicated person for research they can't always get access to everything you want.

I can't explain too much about the nature of the project or why we are using a Ferrari, because If i did that would be leaking information which would quite frankly get me sacked. So please understand as much as I want to explain things to you, I basically have my mouth duct taped ;)

[ARMAN]

Ok, free copy of a game for everyone and everything if forgotten :mrgreen: jk :wink:

[ARMAN]

double post :|

[simongibson]

I'd rather have the console free!

[ARMAN]

Deal! :P

BTW, tests scans from magasines(EVO, Autocar and such) sould have blue prints in the end of the article.

[nthfinity]

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
lol...

well, i dont think anybody here has any technical images of the F430 here; but one great resource for proportioning, and multi angle is in the ultimate pictures threads (a JW first, and definately the widest collection of one make/one car images you'll find)
i think there are currently 14 pages, so it should help conciderably. (PGR3???... Bizzare Creations??... EA... who else has the Ferrari Licence :P :P J/K)

>>>>> http://motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20436 <<<<<

[simongibson]

yes I checked out that awesome thread. So far it seems blueprints dont exist for this, I haven't been able to get hold of any media PR brochures which should contain them. I am building it without the blueprints but it just means I have to spent alot of time working out proportions and shapes so that everything is accurate, quite a painstaking task!

[Anonymous]

Deal! :P

BTW, tests scans from magasines(EVO, Autocar and such) sould have blue prints in the end of the article.

so check this section to guys, http://jabbasworld.net/viewforum.php?f=93 never know you might find something that you could persue for more info

[nthfinity]

depending on your time constraints... somebody could help you out by taking a meter stick or two to a Ferrari Dealer, and taking some pictures

[RC45]

I dont blame you for being skeptical, its the smartest thing to do. But the downside of being skeptical is not believing anything you see, even when its the truth. I too also believed working at a games company would mean I'd get easier resources, but that so isnt true, although we do have a dedicated person for research they can't always get access to everything you want.

I can't explain too much about the nature of the project or why we are using a Ferrari, because If i did that would be leaking information which would quite frankly get me sacked. So please understand as much as I want to explain things to you, I basically have my mouth duct taped ;)

Does the company you are working have or not have a licemse agreement with Ferrari SpA to use the F-Car likeness in the title?

If so, then access the accurate data/info is nothing more than a phone call away from the PR contacts at Ferrari.

Doesn't matter if you are an outside consultant or not - this just would have me wonder what otehr components of this game/title will be poorly researched and executed.

Sorry for the blatant honest truth - but you don't create a Forza or GT4 without a proper data.

All the other pisspoor titles out there are what gets created without proper research and cooperation from the manufacturers.

This is coming straight from the type of person you guys woukd be expecting is supposed to pay 40 quid for the game.

:)

yes I checked out that awesome thread. So far it seems blueprints dont exist for this, I haven't been able to get hold of any media PR brochures which should contain them. I am building it without the blueprints but it just means I have to spent alot of time working out proportions and shapes so that everything is accurate, quite a painstaking task!

And the company acnnot assist you in walking upto or into a Ferrari dealership and asking for a look at an owners manual?

What about getting or your arse and heading over to a hobby shop and buying a model of the F430 - etc etc etc.

I really gets to me when someone who is being paid to do work tries to gather research from communites for free. :)

Never had time for folks who leach of others ;)

[bmagni]

I'm sorry man but I still dont believe you.
I mean you want me to believe that your company paid a lot of cash to Ferrari to get the official license and didnt get the blueprints and data to accurtely reproduce the car model in the game.
So what company do you work for ???
Whats your complete name ???
A serious company would get a serious contract and do things the right way and get all the info needed to do it, not look for it in the inet.
For Gods sake as a Ferrari client whos paying hundreds of thousands of dollars, you can get the blueprints, even as a collector who pays just thousands, why wouldnt a company that pays millions wouldn't get them ?


I still call bullshit on this one.
Besides i can get a friend of mine to post i was contracted by a big videogame company , or even easier i can make a new nickname an post it myself.

[Toronto]

Has RC said many companies would give out the info if asked,

I know people who work for gaming companies (there are a few based here in Toronto) and most of them get their data from companies with outlines of everything, I know for sports games, the shoe size and type are given for each player on anygiven team.

[nthfinity]

good point guys.

even looking back, the mfr. goes so far as to make sure the game that they require the likeness remains even after crashing into walls/other cars.

[RC45]

BTW I am not actually calling bullshit on this guy... I believe he is real and legite.. what I am calling bullshit on is the game they are developing.

If they can't be bothered to spend money on research then not a fuck will I spend money buying their crap title ;)

ANd yes I m prejudging the crapness of the title, because they obviously have a severe lack of info.

If these guys want info, PM me - and for a commision I will source EVERYTHING you need.

Everything - detailed photos.. videos of inside out side, audio and actual test drive videos.

Inside drive along videos, aerial video shots and complete blueprints.


Hell, I will even organize a hands on for you guys to get a taste of the actual car.

The bottomline is - if you wanna play, you gotta pay. :)

Show me the money!!! ;) :P

[bmagni]

so let me get this straight.
You believe that this company actually could afford paying Ferrari for the license, and didnt get enough data to make a good game.
The other two companies that i remember having that license are EA, which happens to be one of the biggest in the business and Microsoft, supposedly Sony/Polyphony couldnt afford to pay for it, so you can immagine that for the price you pay for the license is "all included", or you have the enough money to pay for the research.

Then, wouldnt Ferrari care for the outcome of the final product ? As they do for their models, toys, clothe replicas, etc.
I mean, whatever they put their name on, they expect for it to be the best, and i dont think they would go "there you have the license, now go figure how to make the 3d models, physics, sounds, colors , etc etc. on your own, we practically don't care".

Either this is mayor BS or its a game like Midnightclub that copies models of cars and puts look-a-likes for not paying extra.

[simongibson]

Hmm I can see your point guys but if you were understand the details on the project. Its a technology demo and thats all I can say about that.

I am not personally aware of the licensing details so I'm not even going to pretend I am.

I can't say which games company I work for otherwise some people will start to put 2 and 2 together and I'd be technically leaking information.

It would be nice to hear which racing games you like and don't like (that have been released in the past 1 -2 years.

By the way I have already built the 430 for the demo without blueprints (Companies rarely get licenses till near the end of a project). The reason I requested them in the first place is I have been allowed to work on my own version at the company and I'd like to do the best damn job of it I can and blueprints would help, so this is no longer technically for them but me.

I have a feeling I should just shut up before I dig a very big hole with my own company, so please understand If I dont say much from here in!

[RC45]

Send me a Private Message, we can take this offline and maintain confidentiality... :)

[No.1]

Send me a Private Message, we can take this offline and maintain confidentiality... :)

That smiley looks a bit creepy RC :P

Hi, and welcome to JW :D

I can see why people are calling BS on this etc... but you seem like quite a nice guy anway, so even if you just stick around to join in the other discussions.... JW can never have enough thoughtful posters, and you'd be another contributor to this great community.

BTW - head over to the Computer Consoles Gadgets and Gizmo's section - then to the Videogames sub-forum to look at many heated arguements about the realism of games such as Forza, GTR and GT4.... should be a great resource :)