C6 Z06 Magazine Test Data in....

[RC45]

Magazine C6 Z06 test data:

Car & Driver:
11.7 sec @ 125 MPH 1/4 mile
0-60 in 3.6 sec.
0-100 in 7.9 sec.
0-150 in 17 sec.
Skidpad = 0.98g

Motor Trend:
11.5 sec. @ 127 MPH 1/4 mile
0-60 in 3.7 sec.
Skidpad = 1.02 g

Add to this a 7m42s Northloop time - and the GM test track 202mph top speed... you have a rather serious automobile.

Now folks may understand why those heads/cam C5 Z06's running around with 430rwhp (500hp)are rather untouchable ;)

[HeilSvenska]

running around with 430rwhp (500hp)

i read somewhere that it actually makes 511bhp (505 hp). nitpicky stuff but an amazing car. supposedly the fastest GM production car ever.

[Vansquish]

Not the C5 Z06 even modded w/heads/cams the figures are variable. The 505hp/511bhp figure is for the C6 Z06.

[RC45]

Not the C5 Z06 even modded w/heads/cams the figures are variable. The 505hp/511bhp figure is for the C6 Z06.

? heads/cam LS6 will net 425rwhp as normal.. nothing special.

the 505/511 number is USA SAE HP / DIN PS.

[5vz-fe]

oh...so it's 202mph top speed now?? I thought when GM anounce it's 190ish :?:

With a bit of mod here and there, we are talking about *almost* Enzo performance!! :shock: ....I'll give myself 5 years to earn the 2nd hand money

[RC45]

oh...so it's 202mph top speed now?? I thought when GM anounce it's 190ish :?:

Another doubter? ;)

The manufacturers claim/rating is 198mph - to keep it below the 200mph psycological barrier... afterall, 200mph cars are dangerous..

The car has however pulled over 200.

Just as many 500hp+ modded C5's have - GPS verified.. :)

Maybe now our cars will begin to be taken seriously... ;)

[SFDMALEX]

Enzo performance!!

You seriously think it could out hustle an Enzo around Nordshleife?

Great car, very fast, but its far from Enzo and CGT territory.

[T-Bird]

I'm sure if you had the money to make it equal to a C6R in terms of handling and performance it would spank the shit out of an Enzo and CGT on Nordschleife.

I'm wondering if they quote the top speed under 200 mph for insurance reasons aswell?

[5vz-fe]

Enzo performance!!

You seriously think it could out hustle an Enzo around Nordshleife?

Great car, very fast, but its far from Enzo and CGT territory.

It will definitely lose the edge to Enzo in terms of Aerodynamic efficency and Suspension geometry......it afterall is a no compormise supercar.

But hey, z06 is down 150 hp from the Enzo.......so with some tuning, I will say it should get to 7:3x ...so not too far from the Enzo I say. (maybe I should put a almost ....so won't be as misleading :)

[yg60m]

Impressive performance !! I can't wait to read the tests :D
But, just a question, I thought that the 7:42 posted on the Nurb was made with the prototype of the Blue Devil with two Turbos driven by Jan Magnussen, isn't it the case ?

[dutchmasterflex]

you will be mine.. oh yes.. you will be mine..


maybe in like 4 years i can get a 2nd hand one like 5vz-fe said.. i have a feeling it'll be hard to find one in good condition.. people are gonna drive this car into the ground

[HeilSvenska]

Nordschliefe time or not, i've never seen this kind of performance / price ratio before. and with proper racing pedigree too. it's too bad the interior's still cheap. but still...

*hahahha, the automatic version (yes, there is one) gets a paddle shift system.

[gucom]

But, just a question, I thought that the 7:42 posted on the Nurb was made with the prototype of the Blue Devil with two Turbos driven by Jan Magnussen, isn't it the case ?
i guess the car that all the car media took to be the superfast "blue devil" turned out to be the superfast Z06...its faster than i expected, but still wouldn't be my choice :)
BTW what's this thing's price in the US? and will it be available in europe?

[SPEEDKILLAR]

But, just a question, I thought that the 7:42 posted on the Nurb was made with the prototype of the Blue Devil with two Turbos driven by Jan Magnussen, isn't it the case ?
i guess the car that all the car media took to be the superfast "blue devil" turned out to be the superfast Z06...its faster than i expected, but still wouldn't be my choice :)
BTW what's this thing's price in the US? and will it be available in europe?


Well it will be available in Holland for 114.950 euro.

Too much for a US made car, so not very interesting :sleeping:

[gucom]

But, just a question, I thought that the 7:42 posted on the Nurb was made with the prototype of the Blue Devil with two Turbos driven by Jan Magnussen, isn't it the case ?
i guess the car that all the car media took to be the superfast "blue devil" turned out to be the superfast Z06...its faster than i expected, but still wouldn't be my choice :)
BTW what's this thing's price in the US? and will it be available in europe?


Well it will be available in Holland for 114.950 euro.

Too much for a US made car, so not very interesting :sleeping:
hmm yeah for that kinda money i can buy a lotus exige and tune it to 400hp :twisted:

[pharzo]

I'm sure if you had the money to make it equal to a C6R in terms of handling and performance it would spank the shit out of an Enzo and CGT on Nordschleife.


And I'm sure if you had the money to make an Enzo equal to an FXX it would "spank the shit" out of everything :wink:

[gangajas]

It is a great car, but American magazines' tests are not very reliable.

[gucom]

now there's an unbiased point of view :wink:
but to be honest the mag whose opinion im gonna trust most is evo

[SFDMALEX]

I'm sure if you had the money to make it equal to a C6R in terms of handling and performance it would spank the shit out of an Enzo and CGT on Nordschleife.


And I'm sure if you had the money to make an Enzo equal to an FXX it would "spank the shit" out of everything :wink:

What he said.

[Vansquish]

Not the C5 Z06 even modded w/heads/cams the figures are variable. The 505hp/511bhp figure is for the C6 Z06.

? heads/cam LS6 will net 425rwhp as normal.. nothing special.

the 505/511 number is USA SAE HP / DIN PS.

lol...sorry, made a nebulous statement there. I was trying to say that the manufacturer claim for the C6 Z06 is 505hp/511bhp and that the C5 Z06 could produce just about anything from 400-500+ depending on the state of tune and what heads/cams are used.

[graywolf624]

To answer some questions on the c6 zo6
Cost in the US is 65000 dollars.
The car was uprated to 505 hp thanks to the new tests they have from sae. It causes most of the gm lineup to raise in rating and most japanese cars to drop ironically. It involves things like whether the accessories belt has to be attached on dino.

[RC45]

It is a great car, but American magazines' tests are not very reliable.

You are correct - they always get slower 0-60, slower 1/4 mile and longer 60-0 times than the cars are capabe of :)

Thats why they are a great source ;)

[gucom]

well i really doubt the z06 could do a 0-60 thats noticably faster than 3.6...but we'll see. isn't there a chance they might do their absolute best they can to get the best time out of the 'vette cos its an american icon?

[RC45]

Impressive performance !! I can't wait to read the tests :D

Quite possibly the nicest Frenchman in the world ;)


But, just a question, I thought that the 7:42 posted on the Nurb was made with the prototype of the Blue Devil with two Turbos driven by Jan Magnussen, isn't it the case ?
This is how ugly rumours start :)

The "Blue Devil" concept exists in design (maybe in car form as well), but was not the car taken to the Nurburgring. And considering Jan M and John H both confirmed they were driving a C6 Z06, I thought we had cleared that up a long time ago :)

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A twin turbo car would make waayyyyyyy more than 600hp ;)

[RC45]

well i really doubt the z06 could do a 0-60 thats noticably faster than 3.6...but we'll see. isn't there a chance they might do their absolute best they can to get the best time out of the 'vette cos its an american icon?

Again with fucking anti-US sentiment :roll:

Some of you are such arseholes - you cannot even have a car discussion without jabbing at US this US that. :roll:

:|

[ZfrkS62]

http://www.z06vette.com/gallery/data/500/8870381583911.jpg

does it come with a musical horn too? :wink:

[gucom]

well i really doubt the z06 could do a 0-60 thats noticably faster than 3.6...but we'll see. isn't there a chance they might do their absolute best they can to get the best time out of the 'vette cos its an american icon?

Again with fucking anti-US sentiment :roll:

Some of you are such arseholes - you cannot even have a car discussion without jabbing at US this US that. :roll:

:|
RC dont be so dumb, alot of countries' car media write more favourably about their own cars, JC is known to say ALOT of good things about british cars, dutch car mags write about how Spyker is one of the fastest and the best supercars on the planet, etc etc etc. i didnt mean any anti-US sentiment with it

[RC45]

well i really doubt the z06 could do a 0-60 thats noticably faster than 3.6...but we'll see. isn't there a chance they might do their absolute best they can to get the best time out of the 'vette cos its an american icon?

Again with fucking anti-US sentiment :roll:

Some of you are such arseholes - you cannot even have a car discussion without jabbing at US this US that. :roll:

:|
RC dont be so dumb, alot of countries' car media write more favourably about their own cars, JC is known to say ALOT of good things about british cars, dutch car mags write about how Spyker is one of the fastest and the best supercars on the planet, etc etc etc. i didnt mean any anti-US sentiment with it

gucom - don't you be so dumb (it seems this is now an accepted formof greeting on JW :| )

IF you ever bothered reading the many car magazines(yes - even "US" Car mags), you would know that Viper, Vette and Mustang are treated with the same contempt you are treating them - just because they are American cars.

Saying something as stupid as "isn't there a chance they might do their absolute best they can to get the best time out of the 'vette cos its an american icon?" is simply your way of jabbing at a US car because you have nothing further valid to add to the discussion. :roll:

[graywolf624]

isn't there a chance they might do their absolute best they can to get the best time out of the 'vette cos its an american icon?


Other then motor trends review of the gt40, all of those magazines are known to have some of the worst drivers on the planet. Really sad cause you think it would be different, but what does it say when (for example) the 88 camaro iroc I had was in their magazine for running a 14.6 in 1988. 15 years later, completely stock with all sorts of problems(before I did the mods and made it completely undragable) I ran a 14.6. I might be good at corners, but I know damn well I shouldnt be able to pull as good a time as a professional with any car in a drag race cause it is not my forte. Espcially not in a 15 year old car with 100000 miles.

Car and driver and motortrend both fall over themselves to put foreign cars over American cars. It often comes off as snobbery.

[gucom]

no RC actually im just wondering cos 3.6 is a really fast time, but since the F430 did the same i was probably wrong in thinking it was almost impossible for hte Z06 to reach it...but still i in no way meant to jab at the US or US cars, and no i hardly ever read american car mags, whats wrong with asking a question about them? i said "isnt there a chance", not "im sure". i htink it was a valid question. dont be so suspicious of everything, its not my goal in life to say as many bad things about the US as possible, although you seem convinced otherwise. even a bigger shock to you: there are actually things i like about the US, and id like to go there some time, and not to find more things to complain about...as i said dont be suspicious of everything, we're not in a big anti-US conspiracy (well im not anyway)

[bmagni]

Maybe now our cars will begin to be taken seriously... ;)

they have been taken seriously, but no one likes them ;)

[RC45]

Maybe now our cars will begin to be taken seriously... ;)

they have been taken seriously, but no one likes them ;)

Be careful - people may label you as a Yankee-lover before long :P ;)

we're not in a big anti-US conspiracy (well im not anyway)
That;s the thing - it is part of your and your buddies subconscious - you have been conditioned to disparage all things US ;)

You folks don't even realize you do it... it comes naturally :P

[gucom]

yeah it must be my dutch genes that tell me to hate the US, after all the dutch have ALWAYS hated the US :wink:

[sameerrao]

Extremely impressive times 8) - I think C&D got the same 0-60 for a Euro 430 but the American 430 is heavier and slower.

The 0-60, 0-100, 0-150 of a Ford GT is 3.6, 8.4, 19.1 - so the Z06 puts it to shade -now thats awesome considering it has 50 hp lesser than the GT. It must be at least 200 lb or more lighter to get such times.

Sure it is not in the same class as the Enzo or CGT or Zonda F but it is pretty darn close and would cost 1/4 - 1/6 as much.

The Z06s (both of them) are objectively as good if not better as cars 2X-3X its price. The only thing going for the Italians and Germans are subjective factors like style, pedigree, quality of handling (not g numbers per se but how it corners).

Considering that C5s are going for USD30K now it would be a great buy for the price of a 2000 Boxster S.

[RC45]

yeah it must be my dutch genes that tell me to hate the US, after all the dutch have ALWAYS hated the US :wink:

Actually - it goes back further than that - it's the British you really hate.. :P and all things of British heritage.. ;)

[gucom]

actually i absolutely love britishness, their cars, their humour, their car shows, London, the small parts of rural England that i've seen...i love it all :D
but then again we've never been at war with the US, while we have bee nat war with Britain, France and Spain all at once...and won if im not mistaken :D
we're totally OT here btw

[dutchmasterflex]

their cars maybe, but their humor? :P

[gucom]

yes absolutely my friend, its brilliant...never watched top gear?

[RC45]

actually i absolutely love britishness, their cars, their humour, their car shows, London, the small parts of rural England that i've seen...i love it all :D
but then again we've never been at war with the US, while we have bee nat war with Britain, France and Spain all at once...and won if im not mistaken :D
we're totally OT here btw

No we are not OT.. :)

Because the old colony has returned with a 2nd generation of car that beats the Euros.. :P

If this isn't war... then what is ?? ;) hehe

[gucom]

ah well atleast were not at war with each other, cos i dont think either of holland's sports car manufacturers (Spyker and Donkervoort(pimped caterham maker)) is competing with Corvette...and be glad about that cos no1 could ever beat spyker :P

[dutchmasterflex]

i almost forgot comparing the Z06 to the Ford GT until sameerrao brought up the accelleration date...

anyone know of a 'Ring time for the Ford GT?

gucom, the c6 Z06 would be a nice opponent for the spyker in my opinion.. it's really going to be nice to see heads up comparisons with supercars from the other side of the pond which are easily twice as much money..


i dont think i've ever actually laughed at any of the "jokes" the hosts of top gear crack.. except when i laugh AT them

[graywolf624]

anyone know of a 'Ring time for the Ford GT?
It never officially ran.

[gucom]

i dont think i've ever actually laughed at any of the "jokes" the hosts of top gear crack.. except when i laugh AT them

lol k u obviously dont get their humour - i do but thats ok

the c6 Z06 would be a nice opponent for the spyker in my opinion.. it's really going to be nice to see heads up comparisons with supercars from the other side of the pond which are easily twice as much money..

yes but in my eyes the Spyker isn't so much focused on super performance (although ofcourse beign a supercar it's gotta be very fast and all) but more on looks, show-off and exclusivity. It will indeed be interesting to see the Z06 compared to other performance supercars (GT3, F430, and loads of others) and as was already said the Ford GT...wow the people at ford aren't gonna be happy about the Z06 lol...another american with comparable performance, but then based on a "normal" sportscar like the corvette, and also i believe alot cheaper...better hope for Ford they've already sold all of their GT's (although i would still rather have a Ford GT cos it looks AWESOME IMO) cos the Z06 is a serious competitor for it

[T-Bird]

I'm sure if you had the money to make it equal to a C6R in terms of handling and performance it would spank the shit out of an Enzo and CGT on Nordschleife.


And I'm sure if you had the money to make an Enzo equal to an FXX it would "spank the shit" out of everything :wink:

What he said.

well the original statement said with some tuning it will be at Enzo Performance and you said not possible but infact it is with some tuning so don't go miss quoting stuff here.

[SFDMALEX]

I'm sure if you had the money to make it equal to a C6R in terms of handling and performance it would spank the shit out of an Enzo and CGT on Nordschleife.


And I'm sure if you had the money to make an Enzo equal to an FXX it would "spank the shit" out of everything :wink:

What he said.

well the original statement said with some tuning it will be at Enzo Performance and you said not possible but infact it is with some tuning so don't go miss quoting stuff here.

Well same. With some tunning you can get 700bhp out of that V12. I have no doubt about that. It does have the potential to have FXX power, which uses the same engine that is tuned. And factory tunes engines with reliability in mind. So it could in a 3rd party tuners hands do even more then the FXX. :wink:

[T-Bird]

I don't think Ferrari builds cars with reliability in mind otherwise there wouldn't be soo many extra cars at the Ferrari dealers all the time waiting to get worked on unlike some certain bowtie car we all know and a few hate or atleast to the same level as most car companies.

[SFDMALEX]

I don't think Ferrari builds cars with reliability in mind otherwise there wouldn't be soo many extra cars at the Ferrari dealers all the time waiting to get worked on unlike some certain bowtie car we all know and a few hate or atleast to the same level as most car companies.

Whatever you say :roll:

[T-Bird]

how many times have you been to a Ferrari dealership and seen an open bay and not atleast a couple cars sitting in the shop waiting? never for me but I can go to a Chevy dealer and not see any Z06's in there it's just something you have to admit Ferrari's are not very reliable machines and when you try to tune up an Engine from them it isn't always a good outcome in terms of reliablility. I am sure that the FXX is extremely different from the Enzo expecially in the engine I doubt they just tweak the fuel trim and the exhaust and get 800hp and that is $1.8 million US that alot of fucking money for a tuned up Enzo don't you think I'm sure that car barely resembles the Enzo under the skin. when the Z06 very closely resembles the C6R under the skin and the skin itself so yes for some cash you can make a Z06 more than likely be on par if not better than a stock Enzo that was the original statement it was stated that with some work it could be in Enzo territory if not better not in FXX territroy for an extra roughly $1.8 million. you cannot say that it is possible to get any other car in your beloved Ferrari cars territory.

[RC45]

^^ let them go... it'll just turn into another he say she say.

:)

[T-Bird]

fine it just anoys me sometimes

[RC45]

^^ I know - but the truth is what pisses them off so much. For the price of a yuppie Beemer you can get a Ferrari beating car...

But the Tifosi are too proud to accept that they will only dream of that type of performance, while Chevy sells that type of performance to everyone :)

And used prices mean almost everyone can sample it.

The truth is what makes them bitter ;)

Remember the $50,000 C5 Z06 smashed the F360CS to the curb.. so they all prayed for the F430... now the $65,000 C6 Z06 destroys it before it even establishes itself ;)

[SFDMALEX]

how many times have you been to a Ferrari dealership and seen an open bay and not atleast a couple cars sitting in the shop waiting? never for me but I can go to a Chevy dealer and not see any Z06's in there it's just something you have to admit Ferrari's are not very reliable machines and when you try to tune up an Engine from them it isn't always a good outcome in terms of reliablility. I am sure that the FXX is extremely different from the Enzo expecially in the engine I doubt they just tweak the fuel trim and the exhaust and get 800hp and that is $1.8 million US that alot of fucking money for a tuned up Enzo don't you think I'm sure that car barely resembles the Enzo under the skin. when the Z06 very closely resembles the C6R under the skin and the skin itself so yes for some cash you can make a Z06 more than likely be on par if not better than a stock Enzo that was the original statement it was stated that with some work it could be in Enzo territory if not better not in FXX territroy for an extra roughly $1.8 million. you cannot say that it is possible to get any other car in your beloved Ferrari cars territory.

Just so you know. I didnt read your post. First sentence, thats it.

Are you standing by you saying that Ferrari overtune their cars when they leave the assebly line? Yes or no?

I assume that your wise enough to say no, if thats so those engines still got a whole lot of potential.

Oh and go see what most Ferraris are in repair for. Everytime I read something about a 355 its electronics, I'm sure thats the result of a highly tuned engine.

You haters make me laugh.

[SFDMALEX]

^^ I know - but the truth is what pisses them off so much. For the price of a yuppie Beemer you can get a Ferrari beating car...

But the Tifosi are too proud to accept that they will only dream of that type of performance, while Chevy sells that type of performance to everyone :)

And used prices mean almost everyone can sample it.

The truth is what makes them bitter ;)

Remember the $50,000 C5 Z06 smashed the F360CS to the curb.. so they all prayed for the F430... now the $65,000 C6 Z06 destroys it before it even establishes itself ;)

:roll:

If the only thing in my mind was Performance Id built a Caterham from a kit, so please take that argument and shove it somewhere were it will stay withouht slipping out every single post.

I dont give a flying fuck if your corvette beats a fucking GT1 Porker, a 333SP or a fucking F15 in a drag race, it doesnt make my hear beat faster, it doesnt make me drool, it doesnt make me wanna give my soul to the devil to get a ride in.

Its just a fast Chevy, and thats what it will always be to me, no matter how fast it goes.


I hope your wish will be granted and every single car on the street will be a Vette were all of you haters can enjoy the world withouht over priced Porsches, poser Ferraris and other exotic over priced eurotrash polluting your precious flat straight streets.

:wink:

P.S Oh and, I dont give a fuck. :D

[RC45]

Yep - haters.. :P

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8532/c6article7yb.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c6article7yb.jpg)

[SFDMALEX]

Yep - haters.. :P

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8532/c6article7yb.th.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c6article7yb.jpg)

1. Your link is fucked.

2. Thanks for proving that your a hater(s). I think I should put that in my sig. :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

fine it just anoys me sometimes

You fanboys/haters annoy the hell out of everybody by sticking your Vette in every single thread on the forum.

If its a thead about an FXX we hear how your Vette with enough cash can beat it.

If its about an Enzo, oh some small time tunnning will beat that also. :roll:

I suggest you put all that "the Vette is so great" propaganda in your sig, so you dont have to post whoore about it all the time.

:D

BTW How is your EVO? Why didnt you buy a Vette when you had that EVO? Maybe you should have said you had a Vette instead, it being so affordable and everything, we all might as well have bought it. and by it I mean, you know, I dont have to say it again do I?

[SFDMALEX]

F430... now the $65,000 C6 Z06 destroys it before it even establishes itself ;)

Yea yea sure thing. Oh and the next Z06 will beat the next F-car, and the next will do so too, we all know that, you dont have to say it all the time, just stick it in your sig so you dont have to repeat your self every couple of years that a new performance car comes out, ok? Thanks in advance.

[RC45]

F430... now the $65,000 C6 Z06 destroys it before it even establishes itself ;)

Yea yea sure thing. Oh and the next Z06 will beat the next F-car, and the next will do so too, we all know that, you dont have to say it all the time, just stick it in your sig so you dont have to repeat your self every couple of years that a new performance car comes out, ok? Thanks in advance.

So basically Ferraris are about posing and performance no longer counts.. interesting.

[T-Bird]

what the fuck are you talking about you whinner this thread is about the Corvette and I'm not the one who came in hear saying the Vette can beat a Ferrari someone else did and you said no chance so I had to back the guy up since it is true. And I don't go around to all your Ferrari is god threads and start spewing the FACTS that a Corvette is and has the potential to walk the floor with most Ferraris. Fuck atleast we accept that we will probably never own a Ferrari but can have that kind of earth shattering performance for less than 1/3 the price and still have some decent Mileage out of it aswell Oh and cheaper insurance and cheaper service intervals/parts and a trunk and ease of use among other things. And stop bringing up old topics you baby it's like you need to bring up things no one cares about anymore to make yourself feel more superior just go back to moderating your Ferrari Central, god forbid we make any comment that might make the Ferrari not seem like it belongs at the pinnacle of Automotive performance/perfection. Seriously Ferrari's are great but you have to accept the fact that there are contendors out there capable of knocking them down a peg or 2 or off the podium all together :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

Again I didnt read your post, just scanned through it.


I give the Z06 all the credit it deserves, what I fucking hate is when the fanboy crew brings up the fucking car is every single thread, how great it is and how it can destroy anything on this very planet with some proper work.

Im just sick of it, plain and simple, cant go anywere withouht the fucking Vette coming up.

I never hate on that car, never say anything bad about without being sarcastic.

Its you the fanboys who only accept the fucking vette is the holy grail of all and everything else is fucking shit ass poser mobile eurotrash, hippy, latte, hair dresser, poofta peice of foreign shit.

Seriously, Vettes are great, but you have to shut the fuck up every once in a while about it.

Not one group on this forum pushes one car like you guys do.

I only step in when you shit all over the competition, and Im stupid for doing so, better shit to do then argue with someone who doesnt want to accept anything, if its fact, if its a magazine article, if its a video if its anything, it either wrong, biased or just straight up bullshit printed because Ferrari paid em to.


So whatever buddy, go jerk off to some Vette pics. BTW No offence, I have my political hat on.

[T-Bird]

wow I don't bring up the vette in every single thread in fact I almost never bring up the Vette I do support it alot when it does get shot down waay below what it deserves and I do think Ferraris are good cars and don't trash them to that extent but from what I have heard if you plan to drive them alot they will break on you. I love alot of Foreign cars alot but it does annoy me when people don't give us Americans some credit which we do deserve there is the same common mis-conception mainly from our friends across the pond that Americans make total shit when it comes to cars which isn't true and *gasp* god forbid we use plastic to make the cars affordable to the masses and Plastic bumpers? (Jeremy Clarksons tripe about the Corvette having a plastic bumper cover) I thought that was what everyone used so as to offer more flex than metal or fiberglass. that's what pisses me off.

[RC45]

Again I didnt read your post, just scanned through it.


I give the Z06 all the credit it deserves, what I fucking hate is when the fanboy crew brings up the fucking car is every single thread, how great it is and how it can destroy anything on this very planet with some proper work.

Im just sick of it, plain and simple, cant go anywere withouht the fucking Vette coming up.

I never hate on that car, never say anything bad about without being sarcastic.

Its you the fanboys who only accept the fucking vette is the holy grail of all and everything else is fucking shit ass poser mobile eurotrash, hippy, latte, hair dresser, poofta peice of foreign shit.

Seriously, Vettes are great, but you have to shut the fuck up every once in a while about it.

Not one group on this forum pushes one car like you guys do.

I only step in when you shit all over the competition, and Im stupid for doing so, better shit to do then argue with someone who doesnt want to accept anything, if its fact, if its a magazine article, if its a video if its anything, it either wrong, biased or just straight up bullshit printed because Ferrari paid em to.


So whatever buddy, go jerk off to some Vette pics. BTW No offence, I have my political hat on.

Hhhmm -- I doubt anybody in the world has claimed that any Corvetee, let alone the C5 or C6 Z06 is the best... or the greatest ... or the fastest..

In fact - I would say that the "Vette Fan boys" of JW are the most accepting of the fact that the Vette is NOT the be all and end all.

In fact we accept the fact that it is the performance equal of a number of specific cars - and that there are a another group that are almost untouchable in performance terms.. and without signifcant investment a Corvette could not touch them.

On the other hand we can go dig up HUNDREDS of thread where Tifiso flat out call anyone who says the Vette is a performance equal of the F360/CS a liar.

Such threads go on for pages - and even when specific numbers are shown, videos and personal anetcdotes relayed - even stories retold of F360CS owners with Z06's - they STILL deny all evidence and say it is just not possible and then list all the reasons why even if it were true, a Ferrari is still better.. :P

That is proof of dillusion ;)

:)

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[SFDMALEX]

wow I don't bring up the vette in every single thread in fact I almost never bring up the Vette I do support it alot when it does get shot down waay below what it deserves and I do think Ferraris are good cars and don't trash them to that extent but from what I have heard if you plan to drive them alot they will break on you. I love alot of Foreign cars alot but it does annoy me when people don't give us Americans some credit which we do deserve there is the same common mis-conception mainly from our friends across the pond that Americans make total shit when it comes to cars which isn't true and *gasp* god forbid we use plastic to make the cars affordable to the masses and Plastic bumpers? (Jeremy Clarksons tripe about the Corvette having a plastic bumper cover) I thought that was what everyone used so as to offer more flex than metal or fiberglass. that's what pisses me off.

Do you take anything that Clarkson says seriously? I sure as hell dont. I mean, he bitched about plastic bumpers on the Vette, and said that a digital clock ruins F360s interior. Oh and he also loves bought a Merc. Clarkson is nothing more but good British intertainment, so forget Clarkson.

And before you accuse of others of not giving credit to the Vette, look at your buddies first. It looks like the only time plastic interior comes into argument is when some Vette fan boy comes crashing in saying how great the Vette is, so people fire back by saying it has a steering wheel out of some truck, shitty plastic interior, bumpers made of porcelain.

I give it all the credit it deserves. And so does everybody, people from this forum who never even post in any of these arguments who I talk to through msn and such all give it the same credit it as me...

So it goes? Great. Leave it there, no need for reminders.
So does a 911. I dont see St. Anger saying it in every topic like an obsessed school boy.
So does the F430. I dont go saying how great it is. I dont go quoting every magazine who praises it.
So does the Galardo, and even if our Lambo Hunter spoke fluint English, Id doubt he'd run a Galardo campaign on the forum.

So take a step back, and look around.

[RC45]

wow I don't bring up the vette in every single thread in fact I almost never bring up the Vette I do support it alot when it does get shot down waay below what it deserves and I do think Ferraris are good cars and don't trash them to that extent but from what I have heard if you plan to drive them alot they will break on you. I love alot of Foreign cars alot but it does annoy me when people don't give us Americans some credit which we do deserve there is the same common mis-conception mainly from our friends across the pond that Americans make total shit when it comes to cars which isn't true and *gasp* god forbid we use plastic to make the cars affordable to the masses and Plastic bumpers? (Jeremy Clarksons tripe about the Corvette having a plastic bumper cover) I thought that was what everyone used so as to offer more flex than metal or fiberglass. that's what pisses me off.

Do you take anything that Clarkson says seriously? I sure as hell dont. I mean, he bitched about plastic bumpers on the Vette, and said that a digital clock ruins F360s interior. Oh and he also loves bought a Merc. Clarkson is nothing more but good British intertainment, so forget Clarkson.

And before you accuse of others of not giving credit to the Vette, look at your buddies first. It looks like the only time plastic interior comes into argument is when some Vette fan boy comes crashing in saying how great the Vette is, so people fire back by saying it has a steering wheel out of some truck, shitty plastic interior, bumpers made of porcelain.

I give it all the credit it deserves. And so does everybody, people from this forum who never even post in any of these arguments who I talk to through msn and such all give it the same credit it as me...

So it goes? Great. Leave it there, no need for reminders.
So does a 911. I dont see St. Anger saying it in every topic like an obsessed school boy.
So does the F430. I dont go saying how great it is. I dont go quoting every magazine who praises it.
So does the Galardo, and even if our Lambo Hunter spoke fluint English, Id doubt he'd run a Galardo campaign on the forum.

So take a step back, and look around.

Step back?

This is a C6 Z06 Specs thread ;)

[gangajas]

Then the Z06 is faster from 0 to 60 than the Zonda S (3,7), the CGT(3,8 ), the SLR (3,8 )...and much faster than the F430(4,4) or the Gallardo (4,1). You must be joking..ja,ja,ja :roll: :roll:

[RC45]

Then the Z06 is faster from 0 to 60 than the Zonda S (3,7), the CGT(3,8 ), the SLR (3,8 )...and much faster than the F430(4,4) or the Gallardo (4,1). You must be joking..ja,ja,ja :roll: :roll:

Here we go again.

:)

You are obviously being obtuse just to start something... so here goes - the dog slow F430 (4.4s is already beaten by the 2001 C5 Z06 - it has a 0-60 4s ;))

Not to mention the SLR, CGT and Zonda :)

Thank you for proving our point 100% - at least we know our limitations - the anti-US fanboys know no limits

:)

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[graywolf624]

The f430 does the 60 faster then 4.4 seconds anyway according to many sources.

[gucom]

yupp its even done a 3.6 0-60...not exactly dog slow if u ask me
BTW a Z06 beating a gallardo 0-60 isnt such a surprise, the Z05 is slightly more powerful, and weighs less.

[pharzo]

Here's some magazine test data on the F430

Quattroruote 5/2005
Ferrari F430 F1 composite brakes

Top speed
317.788 Kph @ 8650 rpm (197.5 Mph)

Acceleration Kph

0-60 Kph 1.6s
0-100 3.6s (62.1 mph)
0-160 8.1s (99.1 mph)
0-200 12.5s (124.1 Mph)
0-240 18.6s (150 Mph)

1/4 mile 11.6s @ 193.9 Kph
1 Km 21.2s @ 24.7 Kph (!!!!!) f40 did, in 1989, 20.98s!!!

Brake
100-0 Kph 33.3m
160-0 85.3m
200-0 133.2m
test average: 1.18g

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Notice how in the Z06 stats only 0-60 is quoted. The F430 did 0-62 in 3.6

[RC45]

Here's some magazine test data on the F430

Quattroruote 5/2005
Ferrari F430 F1 composite brakes

Top speed
317.788 Kph @ 8650 rpm (197.5 Mph)

Acceleration Kph

0-60 Kph 1.6s
0-100 3.6s (62.1 mph)
0-160 8.1s (99.1 mph)
0-200 12.5s (124.1 Mph)
0-240 18.6s (150 Mph)

1/4 mile 11.6s @ 193.9 Kph
1 Km 21.2s @ 24.7 Kph (!!!!!) f40 did, in 1989, 20.98s!!!

Brake
100-0 Kph 33.3m
160-0 85.3m
200-0 133.2m
test average: 1.18g

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Notice how in the Z06 stats only 0-60 is quoted. The F430 did 0-62 in 3.6

Notice how offended everyone is that we dare suggest a "yank tank" can equal or better a piece of unreliable Eyetie junk :P ;)

Having grown up around Alfa's, Fiats Pug, Renaults, Citroens and the like (yes we had lots of those in South Africa) their reputation for bad electronics, unreliable mechanicals, rusting at the mere suggestion of rain and over all pathetic value was legendary.

How ever, we were still encouraged to overlook all of these FACTS as these cars all had, whats the word... heritage or some crap. :P

The Farrari and Lambo were more of the same - onyl costing 100x more ;)

This bias is ingrained in all people... and this is why it is so difficult for people to accept the truth that Ferrari is not the ultimate... ;)

But back on topic...

0-30 1.6 seconds
0-40 2.2
0-50 2.8
0-60 3.6
0-70 4.5
0-80 5.5
0-90 6.7
0-100 7.9
0-110 9.3
0-120 11.0
0-130 12.8
0-140 15.0
0-150 17.5

Street start 5-60 4.3 sec
1/4 mile 11.7 @ 125 mph

70-0 braking 162 ft

Skidpad 0.98g


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[pharzo]

Notice how offended everyone is that we dare suggest a "yank tank" can equal or better a piece of unreliable Eyetie junk :P ;)


I'm not offended, I just provided some figures. And made an innocent remark about the FXX a couple pages ago. It's just that people were taling about 4+ 0-60 times for the F430, which is quite...erm...wrong :wink:

[RC45]

And for a different persepctive, how about these guys.

Either way, it's a fast car, it is bound to upset the Dodge crowd as much as it upsets the Tifosi.. the main difference is that most of the upset Dodge crowd actually drive Vipers ---- while most of the Tifosi are just bench racing wannabes with out so much as a Ferrari key fob - let alone an actual F-Car in the driveway.. (and notice which group is the most rabid and vicious in their attacks ;))

Just providing information in the appropriate thread :)

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[graywolf624]

only 0-60 is quoted
What a shock... I mean not using the metric system in America.. Wow..

[pharzo]

only 0-60 is quoted
What a shock... I mean not using the metric system in America.. Wow..

I wasn't commenting on that, I was pointing out that the 3.5 for the Z06 is for 0-60 and the 3.6 for the F430 was for 0-62

[RC45]

only 0-60 is quoted
What a shock... I mean not using the metric system in America.. Wow..

ANd besides, if these guys take the time to read the magazine articles, you can still see plain as daylight, that C&D and MT only give the C6 Z06 a positive cover tagline - the articles are thinly veiled musings of authors who are only giving the Corvette credit begrudgingly at best.

They are just itching to let loose with complaints about fit, finnish, interior and heritage - but hold back.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if they didn't have the test results they had, there is no way in hell these 2 magazines would even print the Corvette name on the same page as a Ferrari comment - let alone admit it is faster in a straight line - but then the very next sentence appologise for the F-car price etc...

Even when "we" win, we lose because of the way we win ;) hehehe :P

[gucom]

ANd besides, if these guys take the time to read the magazine articles, you can still see plain as daylight, that C&D and MT only give the C6 Z06 a positive cover tagline - the articles are thinly veiled musings of authors who are only giving the Corvette credit begrudgingly at best.

They are just itching to let loose with complaints about fit, finnish, interior and heritage - but hold back.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if they didn't have the test results they had, there is no way in hell these 2 magazines would even print the Corvette name on the same page as a Ferrari comment - let alone admit it is faster in a straight line - but then the very next sentence appologise for the F-car price etc...

WTF did u even READ those articles??? they're very positive about the car, i really dont see what you're whining about..."giving credit begrudgingly at best"...man what would in your eyes be giving fair credit then? saying "god reached down from heaven and gave us this car"? "its hte perfect car nothing will ever touch it"?? the things they say ar very very positive, only a few downsides mentioned in the 1st article, none that i can remember in the 2nd...

[RC45]

WTF did u even READ those articles??? they're very positive about the car, i really dont see what you're whining about..."giving credit begrudgingly at best"...man what would in your eyes be giving fair credit then? saying "god reached down from heaven and gave us this car"? "its hte perfect car nothing will ever touch it"?? the things they say ar very very positive, only a few downsides mentioned in the 1st article, none that i can remember in the 2nd...

Yes I read the articles... and they are not very, very, very positive - they are concientiously nuetral - typical of "first drive" articles... the real hatred is reserved for the first "shoot out" articles. :)

Take the tme to read the F360/F430, Porker 911 and other Euro-car "first drive" articles from these guys... those are full of the "god reached down from heaven and gave us this car" sentiments you guys enjoy :)

Remember the E60 M5 "first drive" articles??? hehe ;)

:)

[gucom]

Take the tme to read the F360/F430, Porker 911 and other Euro-car "first drive" articles from these guys... those are full of the "god reached down from heaven and gave us this car" sentiments you guys enjoy

Remember the E60 M5 "first drive" articles??? hehe

well as u know i hardly ever read US mags but maybe just maybe ill take the time to look up some 1st drives of porsches ferraris etc.
and no i didnt read the M5 1st drives articles, i read half an article about it and then quit reading cos i just dont like the car :?

[graywolf624]

Youll find the US mags are the most boring shit you've ever read as well.. Good luck

[gangajas]

Then the Z06 is faster from 0 to 60 than the Zonda S (3,7), the CGT(3,8 ), the SLR (3,8 )...and much faster than the F430(4,4) or the Gallardo (4,1). You must be joking..ja,ja,ja :roll: :roll:

Here we go again.

:)

You are obviously being obtuse just to start something... so here goes - the dog slow F430 (4.4s is already beaten by the 2001 C5 Z06 - it has a 0-60 4s ;))

Not to mention the SLR, CGT and Zonda :)




Do you really think that the Corvette is faster than those hypercars? Are you joking or what? As my english knowledge is quite poor maybe you was trying to be funny and I don't understand your humour.





the anti-US fanboys know no limits

Here we go again, I'm talking about cars not about politics, you're obsessed with politics.

[RC45]

Then the Z06 is faster from 0 to 60 than the Zonda S (3,7), the CGT(3,8 ), the SLR (3,8 )...and much faster than the F430(4,4) or the Gallardo (4,1). You must be joking..ja,ja,ja :roll: :roll:

Here we go again.

:)

You are obviously being obtuse just to start something... so here goes - the dog slow F430 (4.4s is already beaten by the 2001 C5 Z06 - it has a 0-60 4s ;))

Not to mention the SLR, CGT and Zonda :)




Do you really think that the Corvette is faster than those hypercars? Are you joking or what? As my english knowledge is quite poor maybe you was trying to be funny and I don't understand your humour.





the anti-US fanboys know no limits

Here we go again, I'm talking about cars not about politics, you're obsessed with politics.

Don't take my word for it you silly arsehole (adn I calling it like I see it - you are now just acting like a silly arsehole) - read the test results and weep. (oh and it is about anti-US cars - you just won't admit it :P)

Unless you are now going to claim that the 7m42s Nurburgring time is a lie.

Unless you are now going to claim that the 0-60 in 3.5, 3.6 and 3.7s is a lie.

Unless you are now going to claim that the 0-150 in 17s.

Unless you are now going to claim that the 1/4 mile in the mid 11's @ 125/127mphe etc is a lie.

Read the entire thread again you obtuse fucker (again calling it like I see it) - the inference was that the car is IN THE SAME BALLPARK..... for fucks sake - does every yahoo have to try be the super-detective and disprove every goddamnedthing in the world.

You are a 100% perfect example of the kind of person we have been talking about.

Even with pure numbers in front of you - you are so biased you will look right past a number and deny it is any proof of anything.

:roll:

Back to the topic:

The C6 Z06 numbers are coming in, and the car is proving to be everything we thought it would be.

Even if you don't want it to be... it is the car you people hate to admit it is :)

You are such a funny typical non-believer.

I shall repeat for the world to see - the C6 Z06 is NOT the be all and end all - it is NOT the ultimate car - it is NOT the greatest of the greatest... hell it is NOT even an exotic...

It is simply a $65,000 car that can run and gun with the CGT, the Zonda, the Enzo and - yes, even the Macca F1... I mean all the cars listed can do 0-60 in about 3.5s, the 1/4 minle in the low 11's at 127+mph - and can run to 150 mph in less than 18 seconds - sure they may run on to 220mph or what ever, but in a street encounter, the few times the CGT, Enzo or Macca driver will have driven their car, will mean they wouldn't have the confidence to run much past 190 or so... I mean that is still 40 seconds or so of full throttle...

So that means - on the day, it would come down to driver :P

And this pisses you all off so much :lol: hehehe..

A cheap plastic Chevy can run and gun with your favourite dream cars. :P

Poor kids dreams are all shattered.

[gangajas]

Don't take my word for it you silly arsehole (adn I calling it like I see it - you are now just acting like a silly arsehole) - read the test results and weep. (oh and it is about anti-US cars - you just won't admit it :P)

Unless you are now going to claim that the 7m42s Nurburgring time is a lie.

Unless you are now going to claim that the 0-60 in 3.5, 3.6 and 3.7s is a lie.

Unless you are now going to claim that the 0-150 in 17s.

Unless you are now going to claim that the 1/4 mile in the mid 11's @ 125/127mphe etc is a lie.

Read the entire thread again you obtuse fucker (again calling it like I see it) - the inference was that the car is IN THE SAME BALLPARK..... for fucks sake - does every yahoo have to try be the super-detective and disprove every goddamnedthing in the world.

You are a 100% perfect example of the kind of person we have been talking about.

Even with pure numbers in front of you - you are so biased you will look right past a number and deny it is any proof of anything.

:roll:

Back to the topic:

The C6 Z06 numbers are coming in, and the car is proving to be everything we thought it would be.

Even if you don't want it to be... it is the car you people hate to admit it is :)

You are such a funny typical non-believer.

I shall repeat for the world to see - the C6 Z06 is NOT the be all and end all - it is NOT the ultimate car - it is NOT the greatest of the greatest... hell it is NOT even an exotic...

It is simply a $65,000 car that can run and gun with the CGT, the Zonda, the Enzo and - yes, even the Macca F1... I mean all the cars listed can do 0-60 in about 3.5s, the 1/4 minle in the low 11's at 127+mph - and can run to 150 mph in less than 18 seconds - sure they may run on to 220mph or what ever, but in a street encounter, the few times the CGT, Enzo or Macca driver will have driven their car, will mean they wouldn't have the confidence to run much past 190 or so... I mean that is still 40 seconds or so of full throttle...

So that means - on the day, it would come down to driver :P

And this pisses you all off so much :lol: hehehe..

A cheap plastic Chevy can run and gun with your favourite dream cars. :P

Poor kids dreams are all shattered.

I'm not a silly arsehole, I'm not an obtuse sucker :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm not anti-US car, I think the Ford GT is a great car, the Corvette is great car, the Viper is a great car, the Mustang, the Magnum, the 300C...are beautiful cars.

Talking about Nurburgring times, the standard C6 mfr. time was 7:56, Sport Auto time was 8:15. I think that SA tests are way more reliable than mfr. times. It's well known that with a special set up for the track, a car can be way faster than stock cars, so this is why SA is the "Bible" for NS times. Just wait until SA tests the new Z06.

Talking about test data, american magazines always set stupidly fast times when they test the cars, this is why I read magazines like EVO , Autocar or Sport Auto to know the REAL performance of the car they test.

[Anile8er]

A cheap plastic Chevy can run and gun with your favourite dream cars.

Poor kids dreams are all shattered.


hahahaha i like that , it make me all warm inside

[graywolf624]

7:56, Sport Auto time was 8:15.
Is this the same article that had a 0-60 similar to what my grandma would run?

[RC45]

I'm not a silly arsehole, I'm not an obtuse sucker :roll: :roll: :roll:

Yes you are. read what you just posted.

You have gone out of your way to explain away why a Corvette can possibly get close your "hero worship" cars.

You have displayed EXACTLY the behaviour we have been talking about :)


I'm not anti-US car, I think the Ford GT is a great car, the Corvette is great car, the Viper is a great car, the Mustang, the Magnum, the 300C...are beautiful cars.

Your point? You "like" them all - but will do what ever it takes to prove that they are "nice" cars - but could never perform faster than your "hero cars".

:)

You come across as a typical biased Eurocrat .. :P


Talking about Nurburgring times, the standard C6 mfr. time was 7:56, Sport Auto time was 8:15. I think that SA tests are way more reliable than mfr. times. It's well known that with a special set up for the track, car can be way faster than stock cars, so that is why SA is the "Bible" for NS times. Just wait until SA tests the new Z06.

Actually - that "standard C6 manufacturer" time was a pre-prod - and if you knew anything about anything you would have known that.

The Eurocrat crowd are the only folks claiming the C6 pre-prod time to have any merit. The rest of us know it is a non issue.

7m56s is actually the time for the C5 Z06.. But it is an easy mistake for an uninformed biased Eurocarfan to make :P

I would suspect that Jan Magnussen is as good as (actually better than) the SA team ;) But that's just another excuse for you "hero car" worshippers :)


Talking about test data, american magazines always set stupidly fast times when they test the cars, that is why I read magazines like EVO , Autocar or Sport Auto to know the REAL performance of the car they test.
Again you show your ignorance.

US magazines are rather well known for NOT being able to get good times from cars.

Owner regularly post better results than the US car magazines.

:)

Tut-tut.. you are just so angry that your "hero cvars" are not as untouchable as you dreamed.

I shall repeat for the world to see - the C6 Z06 is NOT the be all and end all - it is NOT the ultimate car - it is NOT the greatest of the greatest... hell it is NOT even an exotic...

This is rather fun :)

[gucom]

RC just on a little side note, most McLaren F1's are driven regularly, most of the cars that are sold have thousands and thousands of miles on them. now for the whole SA test thingy etc etc...if we're gonna compare ring lap times, nothing is as reliable as SA. we'll have to wait and see what time SA gets out of the Z06. if thats 7:42, fine with me. as i said of the car mags' opinions i trust evo's most, and SA's 'Ring lap time is the thing i'd go by when comparing cars performance. no matter what the outcome.
btw i didnt know the SA C6 lap time was a pre production model, but if u say so, ur the expert :wink:

[gangajas]

I'm not a silly arsehole, I'm not an obtuse sucker :roll: :roll: :roll:

Yes you are. read what you just posted.

No, I'm not. Dou you have to insult everybody that doesn't think the same that you think? Poor man.



Your point? You "like" them all - but will do what ever it takes to prove that they are "nice" cars - but could never perform faster than your "hero cars".

:)

You come across as a typical biased Eurocrat .. :P

Yes, Europe is the devil, everybody knows.....




Actually - that "standard C6 manufacturer" time was a pre-prod - and if you knew anything about anything you would have known that.

The Eurocrat crowd are the only folks claiming the C6 pre-prod time to have any merit. The rest of us know it is a non issue.

7m56s is actually the time for the C5 Z06.. But it is an easy mistake for an uninformed biased Eurocarfan to make :P

Sorry, I've make a mistake, C6 time is 7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)




I would suspect that Jan Magnussen is as good as (actually better than) the SA team ;) But that's just another excuse for you "hero car" worshippers :)




But that's only a supposition :roll: :roll:



Again you show your ignorance.

US magazines are rather well known for NOT being able to get good times from cars.

Owner regularly post better results than the US car magazines.

:)



Do they have V-boxes or something like that to measure the times?



Tut-tut.. you are just so angry that your "hero cvars" are not as untouchable as you dreamed.

I shall repeat for the world to see - the C6 Z06 is NOT the be all and end all - it is NOT the ultimate car - it is NOT the greatest of the greatest... hell it is NOT even an exotic...

This is rather fun :) I'm not angry at all. You're the only one that use the insult when you want to explain something. Are you angry?

[graywolf624]

Do they have V-boxes or something like that to measure the times?
Id venture to guess a drag strip with radar gun is far more accurate then any v-box. As I told you before Ive beaten their times in my cars repeatedly, and while Im a good corner driver, drag racing is an entirely different beast. (I'm not completely inept, but Im no proffessional when it comes to timing lights and getting the power down.) With very few exceptions the American magazine times are generally slower.

[gangajas]

Do they have V-boxes or something like that to measure the times?
Id venture to guess a drag strip with radar gun is far more accurate then any v-box. As I told you before Ive beaten their times in my cars repeatedly, and while Im a good corner driver, drag racing is an entirely different beast. (I'm not completely inept, but Im no proffessional when it comes to timing lights and getting the power down.) With very few exceptions the American magazine times are generally slower.

Look at this:

http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?image=color00090rk.jpg

[gucom]

With very few exceptions the American magazine times are generally slower.

DISCLAIMER: NO AMERICAN CAR HATING HAS TAKEN PLACE IN THE WRITING OF THE FOLLOWING POST
well i think this really is one of those few exceptions...cos i really doubt that other car mags will run it significantly faster, i mean a 505hp 1400kg car doing a (for instance)3.2 0-60?? doubt it, thats the time of the McLaren F1 with 627hp and only 1140kg's (dunno torque figures out of the top of my head but they arent exactly low in the big mac either)

[graywolf624]

So one magazine uses a vbox thats callabrated a specific way and stays with that same vbox. Going to a different vbox would generate that same difference(there margin of error is within that bounds). Not to mention comparing a US mag to a different mag will show you the US has significantly slower times.
Also some of what they technically discuss on the drag strips simply isnt true. While some have leway like is discussed, some are actually much more accurate depending on what competition occurs there.

[gangajas]

So one magazine uses a vbox thats callabrated a specific way and stays with that same vbox. Going to a different vbox would generate the same difference.

I think that the explanation given by the aussie mag is quite clear. Isn't it?

Do they have to recalibrate the satellite?

[gucom]

most mags use VBox's so the difference isn't in there

[RC45]

I'm not a silly arsehole, I'm not an obtuse sucker :roll: :roll: :roll:

Yes you are. read what you just posted.

No, I'm not. Dou you have to insult everybody that doesn't think the same that you think? Poor man.

Yes you are.

Obtuse - look it up ;)





Your point? You "like" them all - but will do what ever it takes to prove that they are "nice" cars - but could never perform faster than your "hero cars".

:)

You come across as a typical biased Eurocrat .. :P

Yes, Europe is the devil, everybody knows.....

It is ? That's news to me.

Most Eurocrats are pompous "better than them" types :)

Must be the fact that I am of European extract - I knwo how y'all were raised ;)






Actually - that "standard C6 manufacturer" time was a pre-prod - and if you knew anything about anything you would have known that.

The Eurocrat crowd are the only folks claiming the C6 pre-prod time to have any merit. The rest of us know it is a non issue.

7m56s is actually the time for the C5 Z06.. But it is an easy mistake for an uninformed biased Eurocarfan to make :P

Sorry, I've make a mistake, C6 time is 7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)

Another bit of folk lore - IE crap.

David Hill is a GM Executive - he's not and never was a GM test driver.. even that bit of crap is well crap ;)






I would suspect that Jan Magnussen is as good as (actually better than) the SA team ;) But that's just another excuse for you "hero car" worshippers :)




But that's only a supposition :roll: :roll:

Do a google search on just who and what Jan Magnussen is - if ou don't know ;)



Again you show your ignorance.

US magazines are rather well known for NOT being able to get good times from cars.

Owner regularly post better results than the US car magazines.

:)



Do they have V-boxes or something like that to measure the times?

Who - owners?

Actually yes - many owners have access to accurate timing equipment, as well as drag strip timing and good old track timing equipment/

Magazines are not angeks from God - they are wannabe's with typwriters ;)




Tut-tut.. you are just so angry that your "hero cvars" are not as untouchable as you dreamed.

I shall repeat for the world to see - the C6 Z06 is NOT the be all and end all - it is NOT the ultimate car - it is NOT the greatest of the greatest... hell it is NOT even an exotic...

This is rather fun :) I'm not angry at all. You're the only one that use the insult when you want to explain something. Are you angry?
I am laughing :)

:lol:

I wonder how many street driven 500hp+ cars there are in your town?

At 420hp, in my town I have the lowest / weakest car of the folks I drive with. When we go for a drive there will be I guess 15 500hp cars, 5 or so 600hp cars and at least 1 or 2 650+hp cars.

When you see these cars rolling you realize a couple things:

First - 1 or 2 seconds is won or lost with reaction time, Second - 500hp is a lot of street hp - these cars are fast - very fast.

And that speed is the same whether Chevy, Dodge, Porsche or Ferrari.
:)

Any way.. let's get back to the argument at hand... :)

[graywolf624]

Do they have to recalibrate the satellite?

The vbox still needs to be recalibrated. The satallites don't give the time, they give a triangulation which is used to calculate given a number of variables. GPS systems recalibrate every time they are turned on or off.
In fact, its even worse then that. Due to sample rate and transmission delay there is a possibility for inaccurate readings to a specific mph. Youll find the vbox has at least a similar margin of error to the time difference discussed (we are talking fractions of a second with differences in heat/surface/care temperature ect factored in). Owning a device similar to a vbox and using it to double as a speedometer at one point, I can independently verify this.
Manufacturer of vbox's own numbers(not independently verified). sample rate 20 a second.. internal latency 80 ms.. accuracy in speed displayed: .003 km/hr.
Now do the math and that comes out to a very likely .1-.2 off a given time (there competitors claim there accuracy is worse, but Ill give them the benefit of the doubt).


Furthermore as I edited above, not all drag strips are created equal. It depends on what level of competition and the type of tree how accurate they are. It also depends on where your staged(early, later, or just right.)

As I stated above, even more proof is how c&d and motor trends times are always far slower then other magazines.

[gangajas]

As I stated above, even more proof is how c&d and motor trends times are always far slower then other magazines.
Corvette C6:
0-60 mph:
R&T: 4,5
Car and Drivel: 4,1
MT: 4.4

[5vz-fe]

Note: C6 Z06 hit 60 in first gear (should exlain the sub 4 second 0-60)
Acceleration times base highly on Torque figures (and curve).

I don't believe there are alot of 500+hp cars out there. F430 is almost 500hp but with much less torque and with similar weight, doesn't take a genius to believe that it could beat it.

Before u start arguing, maybe take a simple physics and logic course, all equipments need to be calibrated, nothing can work right out of a box and do accurate numbers.

[gangajas]

Before u start arguing, maybe take a simple physics and logic course, all equipments need to be calibrated, nothing can work right out of a box and do accurate numbers.

I think the equipment that the aussie mag used was perfectly calibrated. Have you read the explanation of why costumers "can be faster" at the racetrack?

[graywolf624]

Corvette C6:
0-60 mph:
R&T: 4,5
Car and Drivel: 4,1
MT: 4.4
While I don't know how accurate those times are, one set of numbers does not make a significant sample.

Reading R&T, MT, CD(I don't know if drivel was a typo but its accurate), auto week, and auto.. I wonder almost non stop why cd, r&t are almost always so far behind. MT as well, but in some pervase way they had a lightening quick time for the ford gt(showing again the stat sample thing)

think the equipment that the aussie mag used was perfectly calibrated. Have you read the explanation of why costumers "can be faster" at the racetrack?

Did you read my analysis of the accuracy numbers claimed by the manufacturer of the vbox above and that not all drag strips have similar equipment? It stands to reason, and is true, that an NHRA track that services cars with alcohol has superior equipment to your local dragstrip.
Whats the point? It means that you can't compare times from 2 different sets of people or even the same at a different set of temperatures. Given weve already told you the american mags are all inept people(hell almost none of them even really have racing experience) you should take our word for it. Whether the Corvette z06 will be an exception is unknown, but I always consider consistant american mag times to be conservative.

[5vz-fe]

Before u start arguing, maybe take a simple physics and logic course, all equipments need to be calibrated, nothing can work right out of a box and do accurate numbers.

I think the equipment that the aussie mag used was perfectly calibrated. Have you read the explanation of why costumers "can be faster" at the racetrack?

The physics course refers to the fact that u believe the new Z06 can't beat the F430 in acceleration. The logic part is the equipement calibration, umm, I don't believe I said anything about the drag strip. :roll:

[T-Bird]

I don't believe there are alot of 500+hp cars out there. F430 is almost 500hp but with much less torque and with similar weight, doesn't take a genius to believe that it could beat it.


Actually an ass load of 500+hp cars out there on the streets just look around atleast here in the good old USofA

[5vz-fe]

stock...stock....=P~ forgot the key word lol

[T-Bird]

much better :mrgreen:

[RC45]

Well - there are at least 25 SRT/10's in Houston - although NW Dodge claims they have already sold 50 (and that's just 1 of 3 Viper dealers) , so who know ;)

We got 3 or 4 CGT's and at least 2 Enzos.. I mean 1 (the one burned up remember ;)).

ANy way, the point being made with the 500hp+ car comments, was as a point of refrence for street drivers.

We do have an ass loda of modded 500+hp cars in Houstn - hundreds... so, on any given evening here you will run into 3 or 4 500+hp cars so you will always get a chance to see just what 500hp+ does on the street.

It is quite appapernet from the comments of the many "hero car worshippers" and other magazine racers, that they don't realize that 500hp is 500hp - whether GM, Dodge, Ford, Ferrari or Porsche... and when you see 500+hp get up and go - it get's up and goes.

Many of us on JW have seen, smelt and tasted such cars on the street, the track and drag strip - this is why when we see numbers from the F430, E60 M5, SRT/10, C6 Z06 which are on a par with many of our or our friends modded Viper GTS's, C5 Z06's, P911TT's etc... we know the cars will be very close.

So close in fact, that it WILL come down to driver. :)

But any way... back to the topic.... it doesn't matter how you try deny it - 505hp in a 3100lb package will kick your Pasta and Bratworst arses from here to kingdom come :P ;)

[RC45]

Personally, I agree, the Z06 will be a mean machine. Fast and awsone and what not. But still (and this is a personal thing) I'd rather have a Ferrari that isn't as fast. That's just me. But now someone's probably gonna quote and say "You fucking moron, you'd rather have a piece of unreliable mega-duper-super slow (which it isn't) Ferrari rather then a mean muscle machine like the Z06". Or not...

No - someones gonna quote and say:

If you are a "money is no object" person go get your Ferrari.. any Ferrari..

In the mean time, us normal folks, will admire Ferrari, acknowledge it has some "my dick is bigger than your dick" appeal to those who don't own one.. (as you will seldom see an F-Car owner act like the wannabe Tifosi... :P) then we'll go drive our real (as opposed to fantasy) cheap plastic Chevy.

Facts are facts - the laws of physics are the laws of physics.

:)

Don't be sad - you can stock up on 1:18 Ferraris to feed your need.. for speed.. :P

[SL55 AMG]

Very impressive numbers indeed....however with my opinion on american magazines, i feel they over estimate performance and the numbers they produce are not very acheivable, especially Motor Trend and C&D. I view those two magazines as very marketing oriented. I am not stating this to bring down the new Z06 but any means, but i would like to see more world wide coverage of the car especially considering the other american magazine Road and Track managed a 4.2 0-60 time 5-6 tenths slower than the others.....how come?

[RC45]

Very impressive numbers indeed....however with my opinion on american magazines, i feel they over estimate performance and the numbers they produce are not very acheivable, especially Motor Trend and C&D. I view those two magazines as very marketing oriented. I am not stating this to bring down the new Z06 but any means, but i would like to see more world wide coverage of the car especially considering the other american magazine Road and Track managed a 4.2 0-60 time 5-6 tenths slower than the others.....how come?

You opinion counts diddly squat... why you ask? Because it does. ;)

Road & Track are useless twits most of the time.

It is a well measured performance mark that has been reached with the 385 and 405 hp C5 cars. What mark you ask... 0-60mph in 4s...

It doesn't take much intelligence to realize that with better grip (wider tyres) the same weight and 100 more hp, you will surpass that figure...

If you can drive worth a fuck.

And as far as 1/4 mile numbers, many owners equal and better magazine number regularly...

Minivan & Carpool Lane, sold under the misnomer Road & Track are well known for rather pathetic driving.

But at times, using competent testers they surprise everyone and post decent times.

You can try justify all you want - but it will not detract from the actual performance of the car, one iota. :)

Don't be such a hater - 3100lbs, 425rwhp (505bhp) is enough to get a sub 4s 0-60... ;)

Silly rabbit, trix are for kids.. :P

Maybe this is more your style ;)

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=AE341170-D6ED-4311-BB48-9B5029858254&p=0

[bmagni]

Maybe now our cars will begin to be taken seriously... ;)

they have been taken seriously, but no one likes them ;)

Be careful - people may label you as a Yankee-lover before long :P ;)

In fact, though i dont like the car too much and blah blah blah, ive always said its one of the best amercian cars today, i used to love the viper (which is a nice car too) but its more expensive.
Ive always said the road the corvette took should have been the same the mustang must have taken, the cheap corvette performs like a ferrari, its the place it has always got, and it has kept it, unlike the mustang.
lover ? not really, hehe, i just take the vette for what it is ;)

[T-Bird]

see this is where you are mistaken the Mustang followed it's right path much like the Corvette except a few bad years in the late 70's early 80's but it is a Muscle car and the Vette is a sports car two very different formulas and the Mustang has held it's end of the bargain from economy V6 like the first stangs with the straight 6 in them and then the V8 for some go power and then the hi-po versions like the Cobra and SVO of the 80's the balls to the walls versions which were designed to go straight very fast and react very well to modification like the old ones.

[graywolf624]

Unfortunately the mustang has always been a preference for style over driver dynamics. They have stayed true to the over the last 30 years. Dont get me wrong they have decent performance versions, but the v6 are their key. The corvette on the other hand has always been a sports car.

The mustang is also not, nor has ever been, a muscle car. It was a pony car, but given its baloon in weight and focus on v6, its sorta sketchy to still call it that.

[T-Bird]

I don't know I would definitely call the old Boss 429 and some others Muscle cars.

[graywolf624]

I don't know I would definitely call the old Boss 429 and some others Muscle cars.

Not that it wasn't powerful, but the difference was in the weight of the vehicle. Muscle cars were basically huge sedans with big engines. Ponys were lighter with generally big engines.

[T-Bird]

OK I'll give you that the Mustagn was built to be a fast car versus things like the Tempest becoming a GTO and the Impala's going 2-door coupe and big block.

[bmagni]

see this is where you are mistaken the Mustang followed it's right path much like the Corvette except a few bad years in the late 70's early 80's but it is a Muscle car and the Vette is a sports car two very different formulas and the Mustang has held it's end of the bargain from economy V6 like the first stangs with the straight 6 in them and then the V8 for some go power and then the hi-po versions like the Cobra and SVO of the 80's the balls to the walls versions which were designed to go straight very fast and react very well to modification like the old ones.

yeah of course was and is a cheap car, and has maintained its position in that sense...
but performance wise and the design has gone just the opposite direction, the v8's perform like a v6, and the v6 like l4's :D, the cars are just horrible, the new one looks good, but cause it looks like the origina, but prior to this models the mustang just looked horrible, from the 80's up to now they hadnt done a decent mustang... not even the cobra... unlike the vette

[graywolf624]

I can now comment on why R&ts time was much slower 0-60 then c&d/motor trend. Reading the articles, R&T actually shifted on the way to 60. C&d and motor trend did not. Its there for all to see in when motortrend (and autoweek for that matter) talk about reaching 60 just after redline without a shift. R&T however says the car almost makes it to 60, indicating they shifted. Now realizing we already think they dont know how to drive cars cause they are magazine writers, and they shifted when they didnt have too, the explanations for their slower time are obvious for 0-60. There 1/4 is still way slow too, but it sounds like perhaps they didnt shift properly.

[RC45]

In otherwords.. they drive like idiots.. :spaz: :P :spaz:

I am sure the fact that the red line was at 7,000rpm scared them - afterall, Minivans, if they show a rev counter, will be red lined at 4,500rpm.. :P

[RC45]

http://gmhightechperformance.com/features/0410htp_zo/

If this is what a bone stock 4,000 mile old test car C5 Z06 can do - why the hell do dumb-arse jagoffs find it so hard to believe that 100 extra horsepower is going to be faster???

[RC45]

http://www.z06vette.com/gallery/data/500/6038Image002.jpg

[pharzo]

Come on now, you know that power to weight is hp/lb, not lb/hp. This is marketing :P

[graywolf624]

Lol.. I sure hope your jking.

[RC45]

Come on now, you know that power to weight is hp/lb, not lb/hp. This is marketing :P

Well - even if it is - it won't make a difference.. ;)

:lol:

[LAMBOR]

Come on now, you know that power to weight is hp/lb, not lb/hp. This is marketing :P

Well - even if it is - it won't make a difference.. ;)

:lol:


Maybe for you...

[RC45]

Come on now, you know that power to weight is hp/lb, not lb/hp. This is marketing :P

Well - even if it is - it won't make a difference.. ;)

:lol:


Maybe for you...

Uhm - perhaps the conventional laws of algebra say so.

Whether hp/lb or lb/hp, the lighter car with the higher power will still be - uhm... what's the phrase I am looking for??

Oh yeah - it will still be the lighter car with more power. No matter how you slice it :)

[graywolf624]

Basic Algebra(I feel moronic even having to say this, but apparently Lambor bit on what appears to be a jk):

hp/lb is the inverse of lb/hp..The lowest number is best for lb/hp as seen here.. the highest number for hp/lb is best. Given they are inverse the number has the same meaning.. Thats why I said I hope hes joking.

[dutchmasterflex]

i can't help but laugh.. haha

[pharzo]

hp/lb is the inverse of lb/hp..The lowest number is best for lb/hp as seen here.. the highest number for hp/lb is best. Given they are inverse the number has the same meaning.. Thats why I said I hope hes joking.

Not the same meaning, but they can be compared just as validly

I only wrote what I did because i thought it was slightly amusing that they wrote Power to Weight, and actually listed Weight to Power

[graywolf624]

Not the same meaning,
Meaning in terms of both sources mean power to weight and weight to power. Simply put 1 over either number and you have the number your searching for.

[LAMBOR]

Sure i was teasing you RC45 8)

Vette is America's supercar icon, no questions about that. I would own one if i could!

[RC45]

Sure i was teasing you RC45 8)

Vette is America's supercar icon, no questions about that. I would own one if i could!

There are several questions about that as its not true at all.....

if we are going to talk about American supercars we should talk about things like the Saleen S7.....not the vette a supercar are something different than a 20 a dusin sportscar like the vette.....

OK - you make such a statement - which then by your definition means the likes of Porsche 911TT/GT3/GT2 are not Supercars either... neither is the F360xx of the F430xx... They are all Super Sports Cars. :)

Problem solved.

The Z06 is the USA's Super Sports Car - it is easily the equal and better of the P911TT/GT3/GT2 and F360/F430xx - but not only that can even run and gun with the true SUpercars (no one says they can beat them - they can run and gun with them.. ;))

But of course not one of the fanboys/girls/gays/lesbians/hermaphrodites will admit to this. :)

[LAMBOR]

Sure i was teasing you RC45 8)

Vette is America's supercar icon, no questions about that. I would own one if i could!

There are several questions about that as its not true at all.....

if we are going to talk about American supercars we should talk about things like the Saleen S7.....not the vette a supercar are something different than a 20 a dusin sportscar like the vette.....

I must agree with RC45, you can't define Supercar by price tag like you did.

Because if you want to go by there, a F40 is not a supercar when compared with McLaren F1 4/5 times more expensive. Or even to Veyron costing 1 million euros net price. Maybe nowadays supercars league should cost at least say what... 1/2 million euros?!!!

And for America's supercar icon you suggest Saleen S7!!! I said ICON, not fastest, nor powerful or something.

[RC45]

And for America's supercar icon you suggest Saleen S7!!! I said ICON, not fastest, nor powerful or something.

This gentleman gets it ;) woohoo... :)

[LAMBOR]

It's not a question of priorities or luck.
Because i live in Portugal, a C6 Z06 with taxes would cost more than my house, the same as a medium flat.

However i still think if Chevrolet builded only the Z Vette versions, it would be far considered as a supercar.

Take for example: if Ferrari selled aside the F50 V12 a 350hp V6 version 30% cheaper, do you think the F50 supercar image would be the same? No of course no.

Another better example is the Porsche 911 series. No way a Carrera is a supercar but i don't say the same for the GT2 :wink:

[RC45]

Fuck the X Factor...this is what the C6 Z06 put down after 55 miles. :)

X Factor is for pussy's and posers, losers and wankers - yes - that's it.

Originally posted by LG Motorsports
The car has about 55 miles on it. I varied the power during the drive over here to help with a small break in. I am sure they will loosen up but the hp will probably not go up much.

Torque MGMT is horrible. We will not be able to tune these cars for a while until the software is sent to us. It is not available at the moment.

Thanks
Lou Gigliotti LGM

(Results below)

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/on%20the%20dyno%2C%20front.JPG

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Runs1%20and%202%20stock%202006%20Z06.jpg

RESULTS: 443. rwhp 413. rwtq

Oh - and this for $65,000 + tax... and laps the Nurburgring in 7m42s, 0-60 in 3.7s - 11.5s 1/4 mile...

And they have not even began opening up the power potential of this motor.

Who needs any X factor.

:)

[graywolf624]

P cars
I personally dont think p has ever built what I would consider a supercar. They are nice, and exotic, but they arent super cars. Neither is the vette. They are exotics and comparable. In fact neither is the f430.

Oh and on the vette engine and that they have not begun opening up the potential of the engine, what does that tell you about chevrolet....
It tells you that theyve had a variation of that engine now running for 50 years and that the potential of the engine depends on what your willing to spend.
That engine prolly has more man hours or research in it then any other engine (what other engine do you know thats been in use in some performance car for 50 years), and if reputation of previous engines is any measure, should be bullet proof.

[RC45]

The P911 and F3xx/F4xx and Z06's are Super Sports Cars.. ;)

[LAMBOR]

......and that shows when you enter them as you will find alot of the same things in your "supercar" vette as you will find in a daily drive womans chevrolet......

Well, for sure nobody likes to have a Fiat switch in a Ferrari, but i heard that happened in the past.

But even the best supercar in the world ever made to alot of people (not to me personally), and i'm referring to the McLaren F1 uses a GM switch. :shock:

Oh probably you're surprised, i never saw nobody making a scene because of that, but i noticed that myself.

[LAMBOR]

Hey brembo read more carefully, i never said that you said you consider the 911 Carrera a supercar. I merely give an example, nothing more. :wink:



P cars
I personally dont think p has ever built what I would consider a supercar. They are nice, and exotic, but they arent super cars. Neither is the vette. They are exotics and comparable. In fact neither is the f430.



How about the Porsche 959 or the Carrera GT? :shock:

If you don't consider that Porsche had never made supercars, you got a very high standard level for the supercar category.

There's no point arguing about supercar terms, no one can define the minimum requirements to be one, I guess supercar category is in some way defined by each person values.

[LAMBOR]

Fuck the X Factor...

You're right. Fuck the X factor.

When i sit in a car for a ride, i focus on the street, only sometimes i look to the dash to control the needles. Everything else on the dashboard, all the gadgets doesn't matter, even the music played by the radio (i need only the engine one).
So about the plastics and the poor quality in the Vette, doesn't piss me off, it only needs to be reliable, and it is.

[espen]

Were those Z06 figures taken on a prepped drag strip, or is that article mistaken? I mean, who cares what that particular car managed on Trackbite?

As for the whole supercar thingy, I' rate the GT1 for one as a supercar. I has such OTT flamboyant styling, ridicolous compromises, maginal usability yet huge desirability it could almost have been italian. But supercar-wise, I wonder why Mosler isn't brought up more often. Those cars are really begnning to shape up nicely :D

Corvettes are Corvettes and are as always fantastic cars when considered on a cost/performence basis. Yet as a complete package, they have glaring weaknesses that for a lot of people make them less desiarable than the competition. Probably largely undeservedly but still. These cars are so expensive here that owners arent willing to put up with the quality issues, the interior build and so on. Sure they are crazy fast but theres mote to owning an exotic that pure speed.

Like here in my hometown (500.000 ppl) there are two C5 Z06'es that are both up for sale now because their ex-Porsche owners are going back to Porsche. Same price, different cars.

[RC45]

Ho hum....

LG Headers Installed...

Just for fun, I pulled the air filter out and did a cold pull. What a car.

LG

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/487rwhp%20C6%20%20Z06.JPG

Hi guys,

All this information is with our LG pro Long Tube system WITH cats.

This Z06 is owned by REDLINE OIL president, Tim Kerrigan. He had the car sent directly to us at LG Motorsports. We appreciate his confidence in us.

I will start with some facts. We installed the headers today with only one minor change to our 3" mid pipes. The C6 necks down to 2.5" but the Z06 has 3" mufflers. This only required a small change in our system to eliminate the 2.5" neck down and continue our 3" pipes to attach to the stock 3" mufflers.

ok Results. First I have to clarify some knowledge that I gained in the last 24 hours. Without being able to tune the PCM, Temperature makes a big difference. I am sure that Temperature also lowered our Base line numbers also. So the 443rwhp would have been higher had we cooled the car down more before we did 2 runs back to back.

Our "After" header install numbers were not up to where we thought they should be so we let the car cool down for about 30 minutes then we did 4 pulls in a row with only 2 minutes seperating each pull.

There is no way that I was going to just pick the best After pull and call it good.

Here is all the information for you to digest. the temp on the 3rd or 4th after pull was about equal to the baseline pull, so use this information wisely.

Also note that once we can get into the computer we will be able to go in and "affect" the changes in timing and other parameters that are pulling the power out.

The air fuel went from a 12.2 on the best run to an 11.7 on the worst run (in the 4 run graph)

The first graph is the base line, with a warm engine) against the cool engine pull with a 30 minute cool down.

The second graph is 4 pulls in a row, 2 minutes apart showing heat build up and the effects of the heat on the power.


Base line/After header install with cool engine
http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/after%20header%20install.JPG


4 pulls in a row below
http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/After%20Header%20Install%2C%20back%20to%20back%20r uns.JPG

You can see that the computer pulls about 16 rwhp out and 13rwtq
by doing 4 pulls back to back within 6 minutes total from starting the first pull.
Tuning will solve this easily.

[graywolf624]

How about the Porsche 959 or the Carrera GT?

If you don't consider that Porsche had never made supercars, you got a very high standard level for the supercar category.
That I do.. No the carera Gt isnt a super car in my mind.. I dont really feel the 959 is either.
Maybe the gt1 as someone already mentioned.

Supercars in my mind are enzo, f40, mac 1 area... Ultra exclusive, ultra performance, ultra expensive. It is reserved for the absolute top of the top and in my mind is a very small group. The carerra gt and 959 are close but even they fail due to their similarities to the rest of the model line from porsche. A super car is truly unique and needs to be unlike anything else in my mind.
I wonder what a supercar are in your opinion Gray?

Yes it tells you they have used the same engine in different varations for 50 years, that doesnt mean its the best there is...for a very long time people belived the earth was flat....progress are made by doing new things hence the vette aint cutting edge tech and not what I at least consider a supercar thing....
Looking at the tech used in the vette I beg to differ. There are several cutting edge technologies, and theyve historically had alot of innovations be cutting edge..(chasis and frame construction through hydroforming is a good example. So is the use of carbon fiber in a mainstream car. Then of course we have the systems in the zo6 engine. Its not the same hi tech as a dohcs high tech, but its still high tech. ITs still a huge evolutionary leap over any other road ohv.



Zo6 versus carerra gt and viper on gingerman. Just an owner driver:
http://www.savefile.com/files/4693895

[RC45]

Zo6 versus carerra gt and viper on gingerman. Just an owner driver:
http://www.savefile.com/files/4693895

Nice.

I doubt you could do that run in an F430 - and not need to play food mixer with the gear-shift... oops.. I mean "play Nintendo on the Shift Paddles" ;)

3100lbs and 500++hp is what it is :P -- I like the sound of the extra couple hundred RPM... add's just the right amount of "thrill" to the exhaust note.

I need to look into bumping my redline from 6600 to 7000 ;)

[nthfinity]

Zo6 versus carerra gt and viper on gingerman. Just an owner driver:
http://www.savefile.com/files/4693895
hey, gray... if you happen to know when any such cars are heading to gingerman... please pass the info this way, i'd love to get some pictures of it going around that road course ;)

unfortunately, its still too much fuel to go every test/tune day right now...

edit:
compared to the faster cars i saw the other day, or lotus elise.. they were running 1:40, and 1:41's .. .the vette looks about a 1:36-7 :-D

[coloradosilver]

I need to look into bumping my redline from 6600 to 7000 ;)

Thats what I did. The bottom end of your vette is pretty stout and take take a lot more punishment than most people think. I had mine bumped to 7000 almost 2 years ago and haven't had any issues. Go For It!

[RC45]

^^ I have confidence in the bottom end.. it's the prospect of floating or dropping a valve.... there have been a number of folks with broken stock valve springs and bent stock push rods over the last 2 years, so until I get a decent set of springs and rods into this puppy (with a high lift cam) I am happy to skirt with catastrophe at 6600.. ;)

[SilverPhoenix]

Wow that was an intense long read lol, Here are some more #'s and direct comparison to the Ford GT and Viper Coupe.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1218420&forum_id=100

http://ocmike.smugmug.com/photos/41552253-L.jpg

Gotta love that plateau of Torque, that explains the monstrous acceleration, comparing 0-60 times on cars is a very stupid way to measure their caliber and performance, well to wholly decide on the 0-60 is stupid, like mentioned before the vette cut a few tenths because it hits 60 in 1st gear.

[nthfinity]

like mentioned before the vette cut a few tenths because it hits 60 in 1st gear.

as does the FGT... god i love that car :) (nearing 600 SAE is pretty damn impressive for a warented machine... oh, and guess how many engines have blown in the last year :wink: )

[RC45]

like mentioned before the vette cut a few tenths because it hits 60 in 1st gear.

as does the FGT... god i love that car :) (nearing 600 SAE is pretty damn impressive for a warented machine... oh, and guess how many engines have blown in the last year :wink: )

But guess how few casual drivers can safely expolit their new Ford GT's ;)

It's a trophy car to be manicured and pampered.. then drooled over and dreamt about ... ;)

The Vette is to be driven and enjoyed.

[nthfinity]

But guess how few casual drivers can safely expolit their new Ford GT's

It's a trophy car to be manicured and pampered.. then drooled over and dreamt about ...

The Vette is to be driven and enjoyed.

blah blah blah :P
i dream about vettes too... just not as much :lol: how many engines have blown? 2...3? its not even 2 months old :lol:
oh, and my official jury is still out on the new Z, since i havent driven that one yet. :wink:

[RC45]

^^ blah blah back at ya.. ;)

I like the C6 Z... not its coupe profile though... and it is the greatest all round package for the price.

But the price will have to dip below $50K used before I jump on board the C6 Z06 band wagon - so until then, I will slowly ramp the power of my car up to near 500rwhp levels.... because at 3100lb's I know what my basic speed numbers will be - at least as good as the stock C6 Z... ;)

My car already stops, turns and goes a lot better than I can - so the dreaming is just academic at this point ;)

[nthfinity]

my experiences in a vette are still limited to a C4... which turns predictably; but the go was seriously lacking-better seat bolstering then a C5; and a standard C6; i havent yet sit in a C6 Z.

my experience in a FGT was it goes insane... simply insane;and has plenty of stopping power. i want it sooo bad. i only drove it on Woodward, so no chance to test its lateral grip....

one GT owner drove his white/blue stripe GT up to Michigan from Florida, with no complaints, citing quiet cabin noise for any car... id compare it to a BMW at highway speeds, decent economy (he said he had 21mpg) and compfort.
so, not all GT's are pampered :wink:

[RC45]

so, not all GT's are pampered :wink:

Sure they aren't - but it is the kind of car that is 3rd or 4th in the stable - not really a daily driver candiate just because of ingress and egress issues with the doors.. ;)

I am not saying it is a bad car - it's just that other than "dream car quality" I really don't lust after the GT...

A 500rwhp Vette will instill the same "insane" feel, and be cheaper to get into and easier to use as an everyday car.

That's all I was noting :)

[RC45]

Heres the aerticle as scanned and posted by someone else... blatantly stolen by me ;)

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