Diesel Concept?

[dannyroz]

So as far as rumors are concerned Audi's next P1 is suppose to have diesel power...why wouldnt Formula 1 go that far? Its suppose to be the pinnacle of automotive technology correct? Just a silly thought on my part i guess

[Anonymous]

So as far as rumors are concerned Audi's next P1 is suppose to have diesel power...why wouldnt Formula 1 go that far? Its suppose to be the pinnacle of automotive technology correct? Just a silly thought on my part i guess

can you imagine the sounds of diesels screaming past, even the best are hardly tuneful IMO. Complete turn off for F1, diesels are still mostly associated with tightarses who need 60mpg :P Hard to make competitive to i guess. TT would love to see it none the less :wink:

[dannyroz]

Hard to make competitive to i guess


Yea isnt that the whole point of rules and regs? To have an obstacle to overcome to gain performance and in turn help out the automotive industry. Every 10 years or so formula 1 designs have gone into the cars we are driving now. I think Ferrari does it like every 7-8 years to always have a edge. Anyhow, I think its a good idea...Fueling would not really be an issue but if the teams are able to get 20k rpm out of gasoline powered engines Im sure that 8k out of a diesel would def. be wierd but a great benefit to this whole friggin industry

My 2 pesos

[T-Bird]

maybe over in pussyland europe Diesels are for penny pinchers but here in the states we push over 1000hp and Torque out of Diesels because we can and maybe they don't sound like an F1 car but they are still damn impressive and very easy to make power with.

[Anonymous]

maybe over in pussyland europe Diesels are for penny pinchers but here in the states we push over 1000hp and Torque out of Diesels because we can and maybe they don't sound like an F1 car but they are still damn impressive and very easy to make power with.

yep i said associated with :wink: there are plenty of fast diesels and we all know that, doesn't mean i want to see, smell and hear them on an F1 track :roll: They mostly sound bollocks, they make sense for saloon cars when they are quiet, powerful and mated to an auto ideally..... often having to change gear at stupidly low revs is boring :P. Also we are far from being pussys, remember where most of the expertise in motorsports (particlularly F1) comes from eh? :P

[T-Bird]

yeah all that safety crap you don't see too many Europeans making 1000hp+ cars and then driving them on a daily basis. :D

[Anonymous]

yeah all that safety crap you don't see too many Europeans making 1000hp+ cars and then driving them on a daily basis. :D

bullshit, may be some stricter countries in europe but here you are resonably free to build whatever the hell you like. We have alot of kitcar builders and alot of amatuer racing enthusiasts here :wink: So many talented people and compainies here :wink: how about a mini with a haybusa turbo motor driving the rear wheels :wink: http://www.zcars.org.uk/ i'd love to do one of these kits when insurance allows. We're actually pretty free here and don't all immediately sue someone if we happen to crash :P I'll have to let the other europeans answer for themselves tho :D

[T-Bird]

yeah that's a kitcar but I'm talking insane HP cars that aren't so easy to control as a kitcar and yeah the MiniHyabusa I've seen that I'm not saying they don't make fast cars or specialty cars but they sure don't make insane hp daily drivers atleast that I've seen and yes there are a few but not that many. Around here 1000hp isn't that big of a deal anymore since they are all going for the 2000hp daily driver mark now.

[Anonymous]

yeah that's a kitcar but I'm talking insane HP cars that aren't so easy to control as a kitcar and yeah the MiniHyabusa I've seen that I'm not saying they don't make fast cars or specialty cars but they sure don't make insane hp daily drivers atleast that I've seen and yes there are a few but not that many. Around here 1000hp isn't that big of a deal anymore since they are all going for the 2000hp daily driver mark now.

Well i wouldn't call it a kit car, i'd call it a conversion :wink: and a mini with about 600bhp/tonne isn't an isane daily driver :lol: And its really easy to control i bet, greasy corner/ roundabout :roll: My ideal one would be fully carbon fibre though :wink:. Thing is here we make drivers cars, as bazil fawlty once famously said English cars have steering wheels :P

[T-Bird]

but how much torque does it have? that's what really counts.
for $700 you can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque from your diesel truck.

[Anonymous]

but how much torque does it have? that's what really counts.
for $700 you can have 1000 ft/lbs of torque from your diesel truck.

i don't want a truck i want something that can go round corners and doesn't weigh 2 tonnes :P As for the torque meh i don't honestly know or care, 0-60 in 3.4 is quick enough for me.

could always go for that from the same company if you want a bit more power and something without the same aerodynamics as a brick :wink:

http://www.zcars.org.uk/ultima/specifications.htm

[T-Bird]

well they have enough diesels in cars over in europe if us dumb american folk can do it with a truck them there smart fellers in europe should be better at it with their diesel cars like in the BMW's and Mercs. But wait we will be getting a Merc diesel in the newer Dodge trucks since Ford bought Cummins so maybe a new Banks kit would fit into a Mercedes aswell... well accept those intercoolers bigger than your mini :D

[Anonymous]

well they have enough diesels in cars over in europe if us dumb american folk can do it with a truck them there smart fellers in europe should be better at it with their diesel cars like in the BMW's and Mercs. But wait we will be getting a Merc diesel in the newer Dodge trucks since Ford bought Cummins so maybe a new Banks kit would fit into a Mercedes aswell... well accept those intercoolers bigger than your mini :D

well thanks for bowing to our superior intellegence, we just don't like diesels to much for performance, or trucks. Try driving that truck here sure it would be fun I could probably beat it round dorset in my mini anyway, to many corners :P

[T-Bird]

no see with the truck you just slam the pedal and power slide any corner and if you get in the way in your mini we can just run it over. :lol:

[Anonymous]

no see with the truck you just slam the pedal and power slide any corner and if you get in the way in your mini we can just run it over. :lol:

try that on a single track road then :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

T-bird, diesels in Europe are small Civic type of cars, not F150s...no point in pumping power of that, or not like you can.

[T-Bird]

we don't have diesel's in F150's either :wink: they are too small I'll post you a pick of a tipical non-commercial diesel I took for ya in a minute.
But you know our stuff on a 5-series or mid sized Merc would be badass since they have decent sized diesels in them. Remember our Semi trucks here only use straight 6's not V-8's.

[pharzo]

maybe over in pussyland europe Diesels are for penny pinchers but here in the states we push over 1000hp and Torque out of Diesels because we can and maybe they don't sound like an F1 car but they are still damn impressive and very easy to make power with.

Wow so quick with the insults. Yes some diesels are for the econimically minded, but some are put into heavy machinery. Europe isn't big on tractor-pull type stuff, so a performance diesel truck just isn't part of the culture

well they have enough diesels in cars over in europe if us dumb american folk can do it with a truck them there smart fellers in europe should be better at it with their diesel cars like in the BMW's and Mercs

Yes us "smart fellers" indeed do wonders with diesels. Hence you'll see every supersaloon that matters comes with a powerful diesel engine as part of the line up. An area where american cars aren't even competitive with their European counterparts.

[Anonymous]

we don't have diesel's in F150's either :wink: they are too small I'll post you a pick of a tipical non-commercial diesel I took for ya in a minute.
But you know our stuff on a 5-series or mid sized Merc would be badass since they have decent sized diesels in them. Remember our Semi trucks here only use straight 6's not V-8's.


sure its already been done, plenty of german tuners, fact is we make faster cars that can go round corners to.Sure theres some tuned vettes and such like that would give some of our tuned cars a run for their money, but a truck with 1000 lb/ft is pointless when it weighs 10 tons :P

[T-Bird]

maybe over in pussyland europe Diesels are for penny pinchers but here in the states we push over 1000hp and Torque out of Diesels because we can and maybe they don't sound like an F1 car but they are still damn impressive and very easy to make power with.

Wow so quick with the insults. Yes some diesels are for the econimically minded, but some are put into heavy machinery. Europe isn't big on tractor-pull type stuff, so a performance diesel truck just isn't part of the culture

well they have enough diesels in cars over in europe if us dumb american folk can do it with a truck them there smart fellers in europe should be better at it with their diesel cars like in the BMW's and Mercs

Yes us "smart fellers" indeed do wonders with diesels. Hence you'll see every supersaloon that matters comes with a powerful diesel engine as part of the line up. An area where american cars aren't even competitive with their European counterparts.

What does a high output Diesel truck have to do with 4 engined tractors? nothing see here in the United States we have this thing called land and it's pretty damn spread out so we have to haul stuff over longer distances than some People go in a lifetime everyday and Diesels are the economical way to do it if Banks can make a Twin Turboed Hummer H1 engine have 800hp and over 1000ft/lbs of torque and still get 30+mpg why not get some fun out of your "economical" ride. answer me that. I fuckin hate tractor pulls but I love a nice F-350 Crew cab duelly with 800hp pulling my newly built track car across the country and still getting decent mileage. And not too many Supersaloons have Diesel variants just because they rumored an RS6 with one doesn't mean they all will and BTW us Americans are getting competitive in that market unless you haven't heard of the new Cadillac V-series.

Oh here are some pics of a diesel used in a Ford Truck...
Ford Turbo Diesel engine
http://img299.exs.cx/img299/6444/dsc030098sy.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030098sy.jpg) http://img299.exs.cx/img299/476/dsc030009rt.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030009rt.jpg) http://img299.exs.cx/img299/5286/dsc030014dh.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030014dh.jpg) http://img299.exs.cx/img299/996/dsc030026rs.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030026rs.jpg) http://img299.exs.cx/img299/5858/dsc030030ob.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030030ob.jpg) http://img299.exs.cx/img299/7110/dsc030085yf.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030085yf.jpg)

this puny little thing next to the Ford is a primative pushrod 6 liter found in that wannabe sports car :roll:
http://img299.exs.cx/img299/7530/dsc030045aq.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030045aq.jpg) http://img299.exs.cx/img299/4184/dsc030050rf.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030050rf.jpg)

and an Audi 4.2 for comparison
http://img299.exs.cx/img299/2638/dsc030066yc.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030066yc.jpg) http://img299.exs.cx/img299/5180/dsc030072mv.th.jpg (http://img299.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img299&image=dsc030072mv.jpg)

[T-Bird]

we don't have diesel's in F150's either :wink: they are too small I'll post you a pick of a tipical non-commercial diesel I took for ya in a minute.
But you know our stuff on a 5-series or mid sized Merc would be badass since they have decent sized diesels in them. Remember our Semi trucks here only use straight 6's not V-8's.


sure its already been done, plenty of german tuners, fact is we make faster cars that can go round corners to.Sure theres some tuned vettes and such like that would give some of our tuned cars a run for their money, but a truck with 1000 lb/ft is pointless when it weighs 10 tons :P

you do realize how much 10 tons is right?

[pharzo]

And not too many Supersaloons have Diesel variants just because they rumored an RS6 with one doesn't mean they all will and BTW us Americans are getting competitive in that market unless you haven't heard of the new Cadillac V-series.

Well screw Audi...there's a 535d and E320d. Both of these are quite powerfull. And yes, the V-series. Not quite up to par with the e-class/5 series

[Anonymous]

we don't have diesel's in F150's either :wink: they are too small I'll post you a pick of a tipical non-commercial diesel I took for ya in a minute.
But you know our stuff on a 5-series or mid sized Merc would be badass since they have decent sized diesels in them. Remember our Semi trucks here only use straight 6's not V-8's.


sure its already been done, plenty of german tuners, fact is we make faster cars that can go round corners to.Sure theres some tuned vettes and such like that would give some of our tuned cars a run for their money, but a truck with 1000 lb/ft is pointless when it weighs 10 tons :P

you do realize how much 10 tons is right?

learn the meaning of smilies :P i have no idea how much it weighs but i bet its to much,its not a performance car its a straight line bullit, no truck will ever handle like a proper car.

[T-Bird]

And not too many Supersaloons have Diesel variants just because they rumored an RS6 with one doesn't mean they all will and BTW us Americans are getting competitive in that market unless you haven't heard of the new Cadillac V-series.

Well screw Audi...there's a 535d and E320d. Both of these are quite powerfull. And yes, the V-series. Not quite up to par with the e-class/5 series

Um I wouldn't call those 2 cars Supersaloons just because they have variants for $20-30k more that are supersaloons you can't pull that shit that's like comparing the 325 to an M3 or regular CTS to a CTS-V you can't do that.

Oh and AL I was kidding with the 10 ton thing aswell. :)

[pharzo]

Um I wouldn't call those 2 cars Supersaloons

I would. They're both extremely fast, and both quite expensive saloons. And america's answer to them is....a truck :P

[T-Bird]

ok the E320 CDI is not very fast in fact one of the slowest from MB and the 535D is only .3 secs faster to 60 than the merc. 6.6 and 6.3 respectively and both capped at 155mph.
and an equally priced STS from us americans can get you there in 5.9 or for the same price you can get the CTS-V which will hit 60 in 4.6 oh and it will hit over 160mph. so I wouldn't call those diesel sedans supersaloons by a long shot.

[pharzo]

That's pretty quick for essentially a diesel executive car. Why are comparing them to the V's? Of course it you do that....

Compare your caddy's to the M5. AFAIK the V-series wasn't made to compete with diesel saloons :wink:

[Toronto]

don't thinks they will make the change to diesel... remeber all the teams have to want the change and I don't think they will want it.

those high HP (1000+) are very slow to rev. and the amount of time it would take to get to the peak revs. the car would be down @ the end of the straight :P

[T-Bird]

That's pretty quick for essentially a diesel executive car. Why are comparing them to the V's? Of course it you do that....

Compare your caddy's to the M5. AFAIK the V-series wasn't made to compete with diesel saloons :wink:

see now you are contradicting since you just said they aren't comparable to Supersaloons but you are calling them supersaloons... so what are they supersaloons or just executive diesels?

Toronto: the high HP/Torque diesels aren't very slow to rev (maybe the euro cars are) but they are very heavy to handle the appropriated torque and boost levels they are receiving which I doubt too many engines can handle with the original bottom end. I definitely think the idea would fail in F1 just because it would reguire too much of a change like you said.

[SFDMALEX]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Reading this thread makes me wonder if you guys have nothing better to do then debating who's dick is bigger.............. :lol:

[T-Bird]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Reading this thread makes me wonder if you guys have nothing better to do then debating who's dick is bigger.............. :lol:

hey we aren't talking about Ferrari owners here I'm not one of those guys that likes the trucks lifted to all heights with light bars and stacks out the bed. but If I have to have a truck it better be one hell of a truck right... fuck diesel cars they are for non-enthusiasts.

[Toronto]

just to let you guy knows fuel talk has always been in f1... b4 they used special fuel. but now they have to uses fuel that you can buy @ atleast 1 pump someplace in the world.

T-bird: you have to think that turbo's prob. won't make a comeback in f1. and a NA diesel isn't well really worth looking @.

[pharzo]

see now you are contradicting since you just said they aren't comparable to Supersaloons but you are calling them supersaloons... so what are they supersaloons or just executive diesels?

I'm not contradicting anything. I said "essentially a diesel saloon car."

They're still pretty extraordinary. After all, the 535d was a second and a half quicker quicker 'round the TG track than the CTS-V. Maybe if Cadillac had put a diesel engine in it.... :P :wink: