*** 2005 Hungarian Grand Prix ***

[Toronto]

RACE
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points
1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 70 Winner 4 10
2 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 70 +35.5 secs 1 8
3 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 70 +36.1 secs 5 6
4 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 70 +54.2 secs 3 5
5 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 70 +58.8 secs 8 4
6 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 70 +68.3 secs 12 3
7 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 69 +1 Lap 16 2
8 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 69 +1 Lap 10 1
9 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 69 +1 Lap 9
10 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 69 +1 Lap 7
11 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 69 +1 Lap 6
12 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 67 +3 Lap 18
13 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 66 +4 Lap 20
14 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 63 +7 Lap 14
Ret 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 59 +11 Lap 17
Ret 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 56 +14 Lap 15
Ret 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 41 +29 Laps 2
Ret 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 26 +44 Laps 19
Ret 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 0 + secs 13
Ret 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 0 + secs 11

[saadie]

Sat pract 1

1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.686
2 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:21.842
3 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.980
4 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 1:22.712
5 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:22.798
6 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:22.888
7 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 1:23.167
8 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:23.583
9 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 1:23.678
10 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:23.715
11 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 1:23.902
12 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 1:23.932
13 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 1:24.006
14 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 1:24.070
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:24.078
16 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:24.200
17 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 1:25.691
18 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 1:25.721
19 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 1:25.947
20 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 1:26.600

goo alonso .... then kimi then who ever comes next :P

[zondamaniac]

Sat Pract 2

1. 9 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes 1'20"203
2. 10 MONTOYA McLaren Mercedes 1'20"517
3. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1'20"773
4. 17 R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 1'20"903
5. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari 1'21"266
6. 6 FISICHELLA Renault 1'21"276
7. 3 BUTTON BAR Honda 1'21"301
8. 5 ALONSO Renault 1'21"336
9. 4 SATO BAR Honda 1'21"880
10. 7 WEBBER Williams BMW 1'21"889
11. 8 HEIDFELD Williams BMW 1'21"918
12. 15 KLIEN RedBull Cosworth 1'22"340
13. 14 COULTHARD RedBull Cosworth 1'22"534
14. 16 TRULLI Toyota 1'22"699
15. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas 1'22"753
16. 21 ALBERS Minardi Cosworth 1'22"979
17. 11 VILLENEUVE Sauber Petronas 1'22"985
18. 20 DOORNBOS Minardi Cosworth 1'23"358
19. 19 KARTHIKEYAN Jordan Toyota 1'24"265
20. 18 MONTEIRO Jordan Toyota 1'24"628

[5vz-fe]

SCHUMACHER POLE!!!!

Now the real question.....How short is his first stint??....12 laps? :?: :?:

[zondamaniac]

Qualifying Session, Ferrari on Pole!!

1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'19"972
2. 10 MONTOYA McLaren Mercedes M 1'20"812
3. 16 TRULLI Toyota M 1'20"837
4. 9 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'20"899
5. 17 R.SCHUMACHER Toyota M 1'21"094
6. 5 ALONSO Renault M 1'21"150
7. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'21"188
8. 3 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'21"300
9. 6 FISICHELLA Renault M 1'21"355
10. 4 SATO BAR Honda M 1'21"878
11. 15 KLIEN RedBull Cosworth M 1'21"973
12. 8 HEIDFELD Williams BMW M 1'22"052
13. 14 COULTHARD RedBull Cosworth M 1'22"297
14. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas M 1'22"578
15. 11 VILLENEUVE Sauber Petronas M 1'22"859
16. 7 WEBBER Williams BMW M 1'23"515
17. 21 ALBERS Minardi Cosworth B 1'24"438
18. 19 KARTHIKEYAN Jordan Toyota B 1'25"091
19. 20 DOORNBOS Minardi Cosworth B 1'25"531

[|Nuno|]

YES!!! Finally a Pole!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


I don't even care if Michael only has fuel for 2 laps, Briatore's face was enough for me. :mrgreen:

[5vz-fe]

YES!!! Finally a Pole!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


I don't even care if Michael only has fuel for 2 laps, Briatore's face was enough for me. :mrgreen:

LOL, his face is really priceless, especially at the moment when Alonso slips at the last corner.

[jenkF1]

Even if Schumacher's fuel load is low thats still a blistering lap. Looks like a great race tommorow even if there is no overtaking.

[Max Power]

almost a second faster...Ferrari has prolly been sandbagging this entire season...and now its time

[SFDMALEX]

Well they were doing good the whole weekend so I dont think he's running 2 laps of fuel.

My question is Rubino. What happend with him? Did he really give up? Being so many places behind his team mate is just not right, unless he screwed up his setup or went for a full tank of fuel.

[5vz-fe]

^Schumi is going light for sure, and Brawn ask Ruben to go on the other end of the spectrum just to balance things out.

[|Nuno|]

Well they were doing good the whole weekend so I dont think he's running 2 laps of fuel.

My question is Rubino. What happend with him? Did he really give up? Being so many places behind his team mate is just not right, unless he screwed up his setup or went for a full tank of fuel.

I wasn't serious on the 2 laps of fuel, obviously. :wink:

Acording to Ross, he's light, but not that light. He actually said that such a huge gap wasn't expected. It seems that for the first time, Bridgestone brought a good tyre for Qualifying - lets hope it lasts the whole race. :D

As for Rubens, he's probably on the harder tyres and with more fuel. I think Michael's on a 3 stopper and Rubens on a 2.


EDIT: They seem to be confident for tomorrow as well :D :

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33658

[SFDMALEX]

Well they were doing good the whole weekend so I dont think he's running 2 laps of fuel.

My question is Rubino. What happend with him? Did he really give up? Being so many places behind his team mate is just not right, unless he screwed up his setup or went for a full tank of fuel.

I wasn't serious on the 2 laps of fuel, obviously. :wink:

Acording to Ross, he's light, but not that light. He actually said that such a huge gap wasn't expected. It seems that for the first time, Bridgestone brought a good tyre for Qualifying - lets hope it lasts the whole race. :D

As for Rubens, he's probably on the harder tyres and with more fuel. I think Michael's on a 3 stopper and Rubens on a 2.


EDIT: They seem to be confident for tomorrow as well :D :

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=33658

I know what you meant, I just dont think he's running super light.

I never been so excited about a race this season so far. Should be good.

[ae86_16v]

Wow. . . amazing. . . I am excited as well.

[jpatino03]

It'll be interesting to see who the renaults get in front of at the start. Kimi'll be pissed if alonso does that to him.

[bmagni]

finally !!!!! :D
im super excited !!!!
cant wait for the race !

[Toronto]

Well they were doing good the whole weekend so I dont think he's running 2 laps of fuel.

My question is Rubino. What happend with him? Did he really give up? Being so many places behind his team mate is just not right, unless he screwed up his setup or went for a full tank of fuel.

he was having brake troubles from what I could see. didn't have them set up right. Schumi changed his brakes 5-6x on his flying lap.... somthing you don't see from every driver :wink:

[bmagni]

alonso really screwed it up, you can see hes a rookie, trying to get what he already had lost :D

[bultaco_metralla]

im watching the race and.... huh!!! omg Klein !!! that was very scary !!

[Ghostbat]

I totally agree with you Ronin005 about Alonso. He is owerrated to the max. But still Hungaroring is a track that it's not very easy to overtake on. Still agree with you though.

[Ghostbat]

what a cock sucking bastard


LMAO.. Little harsh maybe..

[Max Power]

Bridgestone still blows... :( ...
hahhaa, the cocksucker didn't even take his helmet off...

[SFDMALEX]

/\/\/\He just showed that he got nothing, Rubino at least was moving up, Alonso just sucks...he proved that he can only drive well when everything is perfect, give him an obstacle and he cant do shit.

[Ghostbat]

/\/\/\He just showed that he got nothing, Rubino at least was moving up, Alonso just sucks...he proved that he can only drive well when everything is perfect, give him an obstacle and he cant do shit.

Amazing that everybody agrees. No Alonso lovers i JW?

[Mers]

I don't mind Alonso...but I don't like his temper....Although i laughed like shit when he showed the finger in monaco

[SFDMALEX]

/\/\/\What a load of shit.

What has the front end to do with the Engine???WHAT????

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Ralph is now to blame? WTF?

Ralph was trying hard to give him all the room he could, even the ITV comentators said it...

Dick always making excuses.

[5vz-fe]

"I think I was unlucky today. I was very surprised by how many movements Ralf was making into the first corner, and he just didn't give me any room at all and hit the front wing: I was right up on the kerb, nearly in the grass. When the wing came off, that did quite a lot of damage to the car, so after that I knew I was just racing to get a good qualifying position in Turkey. The positive thing to take away was the qualifying performance yesterday, honestly, because without the mistake I was competitive with Montoya on the same fuel load, and much faster than the cars around me. We would have been more competitive in a normal race, so I think we have some reasons to be positive for the races ahead."

When he win races becoz of other ppl's retirement he say "Don't call me Lucky"
Now he lost races becoz of other ppl finishing he say "I am unlucky" ?? Make up ur mind dick. You clearly screw up the qualifying urself, and stop blaming Ralf. :fist:

[Ill cavalo rampante]

I think this was a great race and i think there is more to come and may it last til the end.

[|Nuno|]

Good race indeed... Amazing drive by Schumacher, both on Qualifying and on the Race. The Qualifying pace was amazing!! :shock: Just shows that with the right tyres the F2005 is one of (if not the) fastest cars on the field.

These new tyres are a huge improvement - they were a bit too soft, but definitely a step foward. :D And while they still were good, Ferrari had a pace at the level of the McLarens.

Good show by the Toyotas and the Williams too, and also, congrats to Kimi, he deserved it. :D Montoya did a great race too, and I must admit that I'm starting to like him more (in a good way of course :P ) - He seems more mature now. The old Montoya would probably start kicking the car and stuff. "Fecking idiot!!"

And even if Ferrari didn't win today, seeing the Minardi pulling away from Alonso on the straight made my day. :mrgreen:
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Fastest Laps:


Pos No Driver Team Lap Time Of Day Average Speed Time

1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 40 14:58:47 194.186 1:21.219

2 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 20 14:30:39 194.143 1:21.237

3 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 13 14:20:57 193.573 1:21.476

4 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 32 14:47:56 192.707 1:21.842

5 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 13 14:21:14 192.634 1:21.873

6 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 53 15:17:39 192.212 1:22.053

7 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 45 15:06:50 191.405 1:22.399

8 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 70 15:41:31 191.388 1:22.406

9 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 47 15:09:39 191.279 1:22.453

10 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 19 14:30:03 191.157 1:22.506

11 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 20 14:31:50 190.551 1:22.768

12 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 51 15:15:45 190.285 1:22.884

13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 22 14:34:16 189.909 1:23.048

14 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 23 14:35:43 189.749 1:23.118

15 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 17 14:27:49 186.765 1:24.446

16 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 15 14:26:13 186.042 1:24.774

17 20 Robert Doornbos Minardi-Cosworth 16 14:26:31 184.148 1:25.646

18 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 8 14:14:57 183.484 1:25.956
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Ah, and for Alonso:

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3137/ok5bn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:mrgreen:

[Max Power]

Briatore has made an arrogant prick out of Alonso, and Alonso is flurishing into the best cocksucker in F1...Trulli lost half his diffuser went out seventh in q and still smoked alonso...hahahha, 'without that mistake'...without Bridgestone sucking, schumi too would be competitive with Montoya

[5vz-fe]

No kidding ....... Schumi set his fastest lap on lap 13 while kimi did it in lap 40... that shows the difference in tires. But I am glad that they are only 2 tenths apart....not 1 second.

[antonioledesma]

I don't hate or dislike Alonso, but he should chill off with his arrogant attitudes. He hasn't won a thing (besides some races) and he feels like the biggest shit that ever existed.
and wtf with that BS of the crash with Ralf....?? :|

it was a good race, the circuit isn't that good to overtake. At last Kimi won a well deserved race and too bad for Montoya, he deserved a better place

now for 20 days until the next race...it's gonna be a loooong time

[SFDMALEX]

I agree with Nuno, Montoya seems to have matured. Doesnt talk shit like he used to. Lets just hope Alonso can fix his attitude up aswel.

[antonioledesma]

only time can tell that.
after being so successful in indy and cart, being pretended by the best teams in F1, Montoya thought he was the best. Now after some years of learning the worst of williams, he seems to have learned the do's and dont's

this year Alonso will be a prick, simple as that

[Toronto]

I agree with Nuno, Montoya seems to have matured. Doesnt talk shit like he used to. Lets just hope Alonso can fix his attitude up aswel.
he doesn't talk shit, but he is still rude, saying he isn't racing for the team. he is racing to take points away from alonso AND kimi :P

[SFDMALEX]

/\/\/\Once an asshole always an asshole, but he did get slightly better.

[zondaland]

For those who are saying that Alonso cant race through a pack I would remind you of Suzuka 2003 when Schumi was affected by rain in qualifying and didn't really do anything special. Of course the circumstances were to some extent different in that it was the final race of the championship etc. but to me the art of coming through a pack of cars is something that drivers seem to forget if they have a long time at the front of the pack. Kimi on the other hand has had plenty of practice.

Although I must admit that I was glad to see the championship finally close up a little, although I still think that Alonso has it all but won. I don't know why Alonso was being so aggressive in the first corner, maybe we have all just become accustomed to the clinical precision of MS in doing as little as possible to win, but surely the sensible thing to have done would have been to have just tried to work through a couple of positions, and be conservative into the first couple of corners.

[zondaland]

For those who are saying that Alonso cant race through a pack I would remind you of Suzuka 2003 when Schumi was affected by rain in qualifying and didn't really do anything special. Of course the circumstances were to some extent different in that it was the final race of the championship etc. but to me the art of coming through a pack of cars is something that drivers seem to forget if they have a long time at the front of the pack. Kimi on the other hand has had plenty of practice.

Although I must admit that I was glad to see the championship finally close up a little, although I still think that Alonso has it all but won. I don't know why Alonso was being so aggressive in the first corner, maybe we have all just become accustomed to the clinical precision of MS in doing as little as possible to win, but surely the sensible thing to have done would have been to have just tried to work through a couple of positions, and be conservative into the first couple of corners.

you bring up a race that was pretty much pointless, im not sure which races but schumi, has come from the pack and mid pack to get on podium, chello has done this several times aswell, and kimi and jpm have done it already this season. so dont try to conjure up some excuses for alonso. he has proven he is and will be nothing even if he does win the title.

if all goes well he wont win this year, but if he does win lets hope he becomes a jv after ward.

Alonso came from mid-back of the pack in Australia to finish on the podium. On that occasion he outperformed both Kimi and JPM in terms of coming through the pack. I'm not a huge fan of Alonso but I think he is suffering a certain amount of undeserved persecution on this site.

[bultaco_metralla]

i would like to know what would have happened if that fucker Ralph didnt "close" Alonso in the fist curve....Alonso had the good position and again, his best friend, Ralph fuck him.... then what would have happened if the front part didnt break and hit under car parts or other things ( including poor Coulthard )

Sometimes some guys of here makes me angry and agressive, i dont like Kimmi cause is the direct oponent of a spanish pilot... but I dont shit on kimmi like some people of here do with Alonso... so to all of those people ( including some people i liked very very much when got into JW ) FUCK YOU GUYS !!!! :fist: Hope Alonso wins the Championship just to **** you

BTW:
Hungaroring 2003: Alonso doubled Schumacher, the Kaiser, so i dont think its a easy circuit to over take other cars...

Alonso Records:
Youngest pilot to finish a GP. Youngest pilot to get in the podium. Youngest pilot to win a GP (hungaroring 2003), youngest fast lap , youngest pole position.

Raikonnen records:
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alonso 5 - Raikonnen 0

[jenkF1]

bad day for your boy hey toronto? :lol:

[dingo]

The fact Alonso rarely has to fight through the field from the back says something in itself doesn't it?

Fair enough if you guys have a problem with his attitude - but that doesn't mean he is a bad driver like you are making out. Your clutching at straws.....

[SFDMALEX]

i would like to know what would have happened if that fucker Ralph didnt "close" Alonso in the fist curve....Alonso had the good position and again, his best friend, Ralph fuck him.... then what would have happened if the front part didnt break and hit under car parts or other things ( including poor Coulthard )

Sometimes some guys of here makes me angry and agressive, i dont like Kimmi cause is the direct oponent of a spanish pilot... but I dont shit on kimmi like some people of here do with Alonso... so to all of those people ( including some people i liked very very much when got into JW ) FUCK YOU GUYS !!!! :fist: Hope Alonso wins the Championship just to **** you


No fuck you. Your biased because he's Spanish, man even my friend, and he's from Asturias loves Alonso although he never even saw an F1 race in his life.

Ralph didnt do anything to harm your boy Alonso, he gave him all the romm he could, he couldnt give him any more room, its the stupid agressive Alonso who should have not went the eays road to get a couple of places on the first corner.

1st rule of racing. TAKE IT EASY ON THE 1ST bend. Or else you'll end up in a ditch along with a few others.

So take it easy mate, come down, and watch the tape.

I liked Alonso, hell why wouldnt I? Young guy, has great potential(potential is the word here), but then he started shit talking and writing other people off, fucking up and other shit....

He's still a kid, he has time to learn, until he earns peoples respect he's just a grade A dick.

[antonioledesma]

sorry Adolfo... but F. Alonso has tons of potential as Alex says and FA should take easier on the first bend. Seems that he forgot that "rule" because this year has been on the front lines and in past years he was at the back. I don't remember many times when he started in the midpack just like this race.
FA could have a cup of tea of modesty and stop saying shit. IMO there are 3 things that a champion needs: 1) great car. 2) good driving skills. 3) LUCK

he's showing he is a great racing driver, but when ppl without nothing won start talking, they simply don't deserve much of my respect. He has the fortune to have a great car, that his rivals have been tormented this year because of mechanical issues, and the strongest team is having a bad year

and none of the JW persons talking wishes bad to FA. And to close... he's very unmature to win a championship

[5vz-fe]

Fopr schumi's case
1) great car. 2) good driving skills. 3) TIRES

[jenkF1]

Alonso is a huge talent, but hes not worthy of being a true champion until we see him in a difficult situation i.e crap car next season or even better Kimi claws it back and we're in for a legendary end of season. Lets hope so!

[Toronto]

bad day for your boy hey toronto? :lol:

lol you think alonso is my boy... lol you must know SO much...
just cause I say he as made more history in his career then button and Kimi, :P

[Toronto]

say that in 5 years, but untill then you can't tell me alonso is a blip in the radar :P you are just being blind and/or ignorant
alonso has made a huge fallowing and also raised awareness of the sport to new comers... he is helping the sport to grow for the better...

and not all drivers are remebered for their accomplishments... :P their are plenty of legends that never won a champ. and won few races :P