View Full Version : STS-V Ring time
SL55 AMG
07-29-2005, 01:16 PM
Performance testing for the STS-V has been completed at the Nordschliefe circuit of Germany's famed Nurburgring, widely recognized as one of the world's most demanding tracks. The STS-V clocked lap times of approximately 8:30, a blistering pace for most any production vehicle, let alone a luxury sedan.
I found this at www.americancarfans.com, im not too familiar with many ring times so i was wondering how this approximate 8:30 stacks up against the its rivals (M5, E55, RS6 etc.)
Yeah - the STS-V is getting all sorts of press right now.
It is typical Caddy crap IMHO - unlike the CTS-V that doesn't try be what it is not.
CTS-V makes no excuses for being "a Hotrod sedan".
The STS-V is abotu as useful as an E55 - an over bloated underpowered boulevard cruiser :P
The CTS-V on the other hand does a good job of shadowing the old M5.... just what space in the market is this STS-V crap trying to fill?
If they upgrade the CTS-V to the 500hp LS7 and it will be shadowing the E60 M5 - so then again, where is this STS-V supposed to slot in?
SL55 AMG
07-29-2005, 01:41 PM
Very true it seems Caddy is a little behind here, its almost like they develpoed this car to compete with the Previous super saloons (E39 M5, W220 E55 and old RS6). So now that the E60 M5 is out and when Audi makes the new RS6 and Mercedes the new E63 <--Im assuming, this STS-V is just competition for the previous generation.
on a positive note maybe this generation STS won't consume oil like the previous ones :wink:
^^ But the problem is the CTV-s is already a serious contender in this space - and simply needed the 505hp LS7.
The STS-V is a typical lump of GM crap. Too much and too little at the same time.
Why they keep fumbling with that stupid Northstar piece of crap engine. It is full of useless technology and underperforms by a huge margin.
469hp in super cahrged form? puhlease. :)
nthfinity
07-29-2005, 05:40 PM
^^ But the problem is the CTV-s is already a serious contender in this space - and simply needed the 505hp LS7.
The STS-V is a typical lump of GM crap. Too much and too little at the same time.
Why they keep fumbling with that stupid Northstar piece of crap engine. It is full of useless technology and underperforms by a huge margin.
469hp in super cahrged form? puhlease. :)
well...
in F150 lightning manner... not many people ive met keep their supercharged cars stock... 1000$ and suddenly its 470+ WHP
im told that the northstar v8 iron block can handle upwards of 700 hp... but thats on the obscene side of things :P
^^ I had heard the opposite - that the Northstar is in classic GM terms not a good platform to build on without major investment - too many short cuts taken.
The Ford motor is a really strong "Built Ford Tough" starting point ;)
Overall the LS1/LS6 & LS2/LS7 are far better base lines than the "tech for tech's sake" Northstar. In my humble push-rod loving opinion of course... :P
nthfinity
07-29-2005, 09:50 PM
I had heard the opposite - that the Northstar is in classic GM terms not a good platform to build on without major investment - too many short cuts taken.
I 100% agree when dealing with the engine by itself... it is far from a good platform, and is quite expensive... but, with a stock supercharger, i dont really doubt the same things hold true to it as a 5.4, or 4.6... ? Overdrive pully, re-tuned ECU, and a 160 degree thermostat... i dont really see a reason that wouldn't liven things up a bit... for a overwheight ulgy sedan :twisted: not to mention if people opt to get bigger superchargers and such.
naturally, the engines longetivity will decrease a bit, but adding say.. 5-7 more PSI is more then reasonable.
T-Bird
07-29-2005, 10:29 PM
umm you would want an overdrive pully on a supercharger not underdrive
nthfinity
07-30-2005, 12:17 AM
umm you would want an overdrive pully on a supercharger not underdrive
hehe, fixed :P
Although, wouldn't you want an underdrive accessory pulley? ;)
nthfinity
07-30-2005, 03:56 AM
Although, wouldn't you want an underdrive accessory pulley? ;)
another easier modification.. but the supercharger overdrive pully yields more results, i tend to think
--- I should have added "as well". :P -- just giving you an out.. ;)
dangerously_cool
08-03-2005, 09:26 PM
What are the chances that they'd actually upgrade the CTS-V to a C6 Z06's motor? If they did that I'd have to find some way of getting one, I love the idea of the V being an American M5, especially with the manual transmission, and no choice for a slushbox.
pharzo
08-03-2005, 09:32 PM
The M5's transmission is not a "slushbox", it's a manu-matic if you want to go for the american slang term...
Plus in the US you can get an M5 with a manual tranny...
T-Bird
08-03-2005, 10:04 PM
actually the M5 will only come with the new 7-Speed SMG transmission. And with the C6 Z06 motor I have a feeling that the V would give the M5 one hell of a run for the money especially seeing how easy it would be to mod the living shit out of it.
graywolf624
08-03-2005, 10:28 PM
Why they keep fumbling with that stupid Northstar piece of crap engine. It is full of useless technology and underperforms by a huge margin.
Wait a second!!! Doesn't that describe the ultra luxury department to a T. All it needs is to lose some reliability and change the badge to a 3 point start and you have mercedes!
actually the M5 will only come with the new 7-Speed SMG transmission.
The article I read from autoweek less then a month ago indicated thats still up in the air. Global wants just the smg, North America wants both.
pharzo
08-03-2005, 10:29 PM
Well I can't be 100% certain about the tranny, but I read a few months ago in the Polish version of Auto Bild that the US will be a getting a manual version due to pressure from customers'
And with the C6 Z06 motor I have a feeling that the V would give the M5 one hell of a run for the money especially seeing how easy it would be to mod the living shit out of it.
Yeah until someone mods the M5 :twisted: :wink:
nthfinity
08-03-2005, 10:37 PM
Well I can't be 100% certain about the tranny, but I read a few months ago in the Polish version of Auto Bild that the US will be a getting a manual version due to pressure from customers'
And with the C6 Z06 motor I have a feeling that the V would give the M5 one hell of a run for the money especially seeing how easy it would be to mod the living shit out of it.
Yeah until someone mods the M5 :twisted: :wink:
~until someone mods the 7liter CTS-V (super-V anybody???)
again, power/weight advantage seems to edge to the caddy... and chassis tuning may edge to BMW, but only just... i would rather have the old M5 warrented by Dinnan @500+hp then the new one :roll:
^^^ Well there are a couple of 427ci CTS-V's running around Houston - and at least 1 427ci Twin Turbo CTS-V running around - I seem to remember it was either Mallet or LPE that did it up specially for some mad fucker with wads of cash. :twisted:
dangerously_cool
08-07-2005, 07:46 PM
The M5's transmission is not a "slushbox", it's a manu-matic if you want to go for the american slang term...
Plus in the US you can get an M5 with a manual tranny...
I was relating that to the STS-V, I don't find the SMG by any means a slushbox, recall that it's a computer controlled manual. No torque converter in the E60.
gtx28
08-11-2005, 11:59 PM
is the sts-v supposed to be awd like the sts-4? or is it just your run o the mill supercharged northstar rwd?
nthfinity
08-12-2005, 07:53 PM
is the sts-v supposed to be awd like the sts-4? or is it just your run o the mill supercharged northstar rwd? RWD
by the way, XLR-V's are swarming out of the Milford Proving grounds today (3 sighted, 2 pictured... unsure of the quality yet)
XLR-V - could have been the next SL65 - but sadly not. :(
nthfinity
08-12-2005, 09:01 PM
XLR-V - could have been the next SL65 - but sadly not. :(
at least not in OEM form... unfortunately
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