There are some thick people in this world... [Archive] - Sports Car Forum

jon_s

11-13-2003, 06:16 PM

I was doing some Pro Bono work today, which is basically free legal advice and representation for anyone who cannot afford our usual fees. Anyway, I was with a new client who had some issues, and wanted to bring an action...blah blah blah. He filled out the usual forms e.t.c Anyway, at the end of the meeting he had some things to look over, and I quickly went to the toilet (Stupid, I know, but I was bursting lol) Got back, and he was not there....strange. Asked about, and he had left...............WITH MY BAG! Bastard stole my bag, while I was trying to represent his arse for free!! But the dip shit had given his address to us and we called the police who went to his address, who found him watching Neighbours (a soap opera in the UK...and Auz!) they recovered my bag, and now, instead of representing him for free, I (technically my firm) are taking him to court.

I know I should not have left the room, but I was bursting! Why did he do it? I was trying my best to help him, and although it should not be an issue, but it was for free. Fucking retards :twisted:

Rant over, sorry for the length.

gis

11-13-2003, 06:21 PM

LOL,what a cheeky fucker,and what a dumb ass for doin it after he gave u his address.

at least you got your bag back

11-13-2003, 06:23 PM

Yep, a true asshole! But luckily no harm since the bag was found and I guess its content was still inside!

Jabba

11-13-2003, 06:25 PM

Damn what a piece of shit indeed.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

WhiteP

11-13-2003, 06:27 PM

LOL, what a stupid asshole, he should've left you a fake address...

anywayz, good that you recover your bag... :D

ferrari550

11-13-2003, 06:42 PM

holy crap, that guy has some balls to do that!!!
Take him to the cleaners in court.
and it is good to see you got your bag back

jon_s

11-13-2003, 07:08 PM

Yeah, everything was recovered. It just pissed me off because I had spent an hour of my time taking him through what we were going to do to help, and that is how he thanks me! I felt like sending him the bill for my time, but I think he might have a heart attack lol

BADMIHAI

11-13-2003, 07:10 PM

I though you were a Lambo mechanic. :) Are you a lawyer now?

jon_s

11-13-2003, 07:11 PM

Always was mate, I just gave Jabba a helping hand with his sick Diablo :P

gis

11-13-2003, 07:40 PM

jon_s is a lawyer by day..............but by night,he transforms into....SUPER-LAMBOMAN

LMAO :P

deth

11-13-2003, 07:42 PM

what a fucking retard..some ppl just need a good smack once in a while...or in this guy's case, all the time :roll:

quick question tho...y sue him? its obvious he doesn't have ne money otherwise he wouldn't need the pro bono work right?

Ziploc

11-13-2003, 07:54 PM

lol awesome!

BADMIHAI

11-13-2003, 07:56 PM

Sorry, Jon :)

RC45

11-13-2003, 08:23 PM

... hhmmm.. I didn't know KH was on vacation in Blighty...

gis

11-13-2003, 08:38 PM

^^^^^^^^ LMFAO

draak666

11-13-2003, 08:51 PM

Sue the fucking hell out of that motherfucker! :twisted: Even if he doesn't have any money. Make his life hard. And don't feel bad about leaving the room for a pee. It should be normal to do so. Obviously some piece of shit had to take advantage of that.

troskap

11-13-2003, 09:18 PM

Daaamn. Sometimes, you just can't help some people without taking it on the chin, once in awhile.

Of course, in this case, it's also quite clear that this guy has hit rock bottom of the mental activity meter, and has commenced digging :) Glad things came out alright for you, man.

Ivanhoe

11-13-2003, 11:47 PM

LOSER :roll: :wink: ohhh by what a loser... and i thought the people at my school were stupid, wow loser loser loser

Robledo

11-14-2003, 07:37 AM

DOH.. sounds like the guy has some real issues, glad to hear you recovered your property quickly

Sinister Angel

11-14-2003, 07:47 AM

jon_s:

My grandpa (workmans comp lawyer) has a bathroom attatched to his office, and you'd be damned to get out of there w/o being seen ;)

SDK2003

11-14-2003, 08:05 AM

There sure are some real idiots around.
At least you got your bad back at the expense of more time and hassle no doubt :x

jon_s

11-14-2003, 10:37 AM

jon_s:

My grandpa (workmans comp lawyer) has a bathroom attatched to his office, and you'd be damned to get out of there w/o being seen ;)

LMAO, now that is an idea!! Imight put that forward to my boss!

It turns out that we are going to leave him alone, enough damage has been done. As a result of his stupid actions, no one will represent him, and he stood a good chance at winning his case. So he has missed out on roughly 5k, I think that is enough of a kick in the dick for him.

It is a shame though, I felt sorry for him while I was working for him, but now, I am not lifing a finger for him. Having said that I am not stopping my Pro Bono commitment 8)

Sinister Angel

11-14-2003, 10:39 AM

jon_s: does the UK use Stare Decisis in ruling of cases, or is it done on a case by case basis?

jon_s

11-14-2003, 02:29 PM

For anyone who does not know: STARE DECISIS - Lat. "to stand by that which is decided."

and yes, we follow a doctrine of precident in everything. We look for the Ratio of a case which is the binding part of a judgement. However, a case can be overturned, recently in the UK, the law on recklessness has changed. There used to be two tests that were set down in precident, now there is only one, which is know as 'Cunningham' recklessness. Basically, you only have to prove that it never entered your mind at the time that your actions would cause....injury/damage e.t.c There are problems with this, as it allows cocky joy riders to get away with certain things. But I am not a Criminal Lawyer, so don't go round quoting me.

I believe that the US is based roughly on the same thing, but I know very little about it: I think it is roughly like this: An appeal court's panel is "bound by decisions of prior panels unless an en banc decision, Supreme Court decision, or subsequent legislation undermines those decisions." United States v. Washington, 872 F.2d 874, 880 (9th Cir. 1989).

Humm, sorry about the length! :shock:

Jabba

11-14-2003, 02:35 PM

Very interesting to read actually....thanks 8) 8) 8)

jon_s

11-14-2003, 02:40 PM

Very interesting to read actually....thanks 8) 8) 8)

You feeling ok lol

I sometimes get carried away on the legal front lol

Jabba

11-14-2003, 02:46 PM

nope...I love taking bad paying customers to court...kinda like a hobby for me...especially getting the good old winding up petition served....always nice to "accidentally" fax a copy over to their bank and get their accounts frozen....then have them on the phone begging to pay me so they can be unfrozen LMAO !!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

jon_s

11-14-2003, 02:59 PM

lol, nice plan of action!

The most important bit of info I have learned is not to give advice to anyone in a social context, as I am still liable if it goes tits up. That applies to anything, not just legal advice. There was a case of someone claiming they knew a lot about cars. Went along with a 'mate' to view a car before purchase. He looked over it and said it was fine. It turned out that the car was a cut and shut, and literllay fell appart :shock: The bloke who gave the advice under the false pretense was successfully sued.

This is why, on a plane if there is a medical emergancy Doctors don't like to own up, as if they get anything wrong they are wide open to claims.

Jabba

11-14-2003, 03:04 PM

DAMN....thats the thanks you get for trying to do a favour...whats the world coming to....almost like you have to produce a disclaimer now before you say or do anything.

jon_s

11-14-2003, 03:08 PM

Tell me about it! I pay the Law Society £700 a year to be a member. The majority of that goes into insurance. The UK is taking on the trend of the US and is starting to sue like mad. All very well and good, but it has problems. At the end of the day, if I was having problems on a plane, I would like a Doc to help, but I cannot expect him to if he is scared of having his arse sued!

Jabba

11-14-2003, 03:17 PM

Yep completely ridiculous and completely out of control like many things these days...

jon_s

11-14-2003, 03:35 PM

More money for me though :wink: :roll:

In all seriousness, it is one reason why I do Pro Bono, it is real grass roots law. You can see the difference you make in someone's life. More rewarding than dealing with a multi million pound project

Jabba

11-14-2003, 03:37 PM

yep unless its commision based I would imagine.... :wink:

scubywrxr

11-14-2003, 05:02 PM

Hehe .. u get dumbassess and then u get even dumber assess..
A bastard phoned a friend of mine and tried to extort money out of him - if not paid by a certain date he would be killed, etc... The Asshole gives all his details, bank and address to my friend saying that the money must be in his account or dropped of at his house within 24 hrs.. cops pick him up a few hours later and the dumbass is now sitting in jail.. :fist:

jon_s

11-15-2003, 08:28 AM

I don't know what gets into some people's head! How stupid are some people!

Chaos in 1983!

11-15-2003, 12:07 PM

there are some really dumb motherfuckers in this world...

Sinister Angel

11-17-2003, 02:11 AM

jon_s: Actually, in the US we have a law that says if people that attempt to help in a medical emergency and such are free of liability so long as they get out of the way when the real help shows up.

cho_888

11-17-2003, 03:13 AM

what is it with The UK watching australian tv shows. they suck! and you cant get enough of them

haha604

11-17-2003, 03:14 AM

Another candidate for the dumbest criminal in the world :lol:

jon_s

11-17-2003, 04:17 PM

jon_s: Actually, in the US we have a law that says if people that attempt to help in a medical emergency and such are free of liability so long as they get out of the way when the real help shows up.

I never knew that, just don't try it in the UK, as it is not quite so simple. There are ways out of it, but they are not a certainty.

I don't know if this is true, but, in the US, someone escaped their liability on an issue because they claimed that they were bullied as a kid. Unfortunately I know nothing else about it.....Can you spread any light on this?? I took it with a pinch of salt, is it even true? As I said, I know little of US Law.

Sinister Angel

11-17-2003, 08:18 PM

I never knew that, just don't try it in the UK, as it is not quite so simple. There are ways out of it, but they are not a certainty.

I don't know if this is true, but, in the US, someone escaped their liability on an issue because they claimed that they were bullied as a kid. Unfortunately I know nothing else about it.....Can you spread any light on this?? I took it with a pinch of salt, is it even true? As I said, I know little of US Law.

What kind of case was it? I have heard of abuse as a child being thrown around as a defense for being fucked up and commiting crimes, but I'm not exactly sure what cases they were, and how they were taken.

jon_s

11-19-2003, 09:13 AM

Unfortunately, I Have no idea, it was something, I caught the end of in a pub after work lol.

We have a couple of cases similar to what you just mentioned. The most annoying is: Meah v McCreamer [1985] All ER 367 <just gave the reference if for some random reason you want to look it up!> Anyway, the defendant suffered injury in a road accident which later led him to developing a personality disorder. This disorder lead to the defendant committing various criminal acts, including rape. Believe it or not he got off the rape charges!! Having said that, this was not quite the end of the story. He managed to get damages for the original accident that cased his personality disorder. The women he raped heard of his new found riches, and took him to court again. All the damages he originally got, went to these women as they sucessfully sued him under 'trespass of the person'. Result.

coombsie66

11-19-2003, 12:53 PM

holy shit, law is actually quite interesting!!!???
I always thought i'd never b able 2 get it, but even from these few posts im getting interested!
Ur doin pretty well working as a lawyer at 21 jon!!

jon_s

11-19-2003, 01:13 PM

Trainee mate! Not qualified just yet, but the end of next year I will be.

In the UK, you need to have a Law degree (If you do a non-law degree you need to do the GDL-a law degree in a year), then do 1 year for the LPC. Then a training contract at a firm. I am doing my training contract. I finished my LPC last year. I am also roughly a year or two younger than everyone else, as firstly: if I was born a week later, I would have been in the year below, then I was moved up a year in primary school as a result I did my GCSE's and A-levels a year early.

coombsie66

11-19-2003, 01:24 PM

Yeah, im a september baby 2!! Only i got put in the higher year, then realised i aint clever enuff 2 pull that one off, so im back where i belong!!!!!
Me mates doin law at cardiff, i aint heard much from him, must b working (or drinking) 2 hard!!!!!!
U enjoy however much of ur degree uve done so far?

jon_s

11-19-2003, 01:35 PM

I would imagine that you mate will be working quite hard.........oh and drinking damn hard lol. I found Law quite interesting, having done it, I understand a lot more about day to day stuff. I did my LPC at BPP Law school- www.bpp.com/law - That was good, but more about how to draft documents rather than the Law itself. I started my Pro Bono work at BPP, but I have continued it on. I am now doing my training contract at a london firm. This is the best bit of it all. Finally starting to put everything I have been taught into pratice! In the two year training contract, I work along side different partners in different areas of Law. After I qualify, I choose the area I want to go into and then work my way up.

It is hard work. But I am enjoying it a lot.