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a007apl
07-25-2005, 11:04 AM
http://www.strasbourgcurieux.com/fourrure/portugues.php
MartijnGizmo
07-25-2005, 11:21 AM
It made me sick..... :(
5vz-fe
07-25-2005, 11:42 AM
I think we should put a GORE warning.......
very disgusting.......I have always hated that, and now even more.
That is NOT the way to make an animal unconcious, can't they spend some money on electric shocker? and for christ sake, do it indoor.
Mopsdrops
07-25-2005, 12:09 PM
Sick bastards !!! :x I hate it when someone hurts animals :( They should do the same to those people.
a007apl
07-25-2005, 12:15 PM
Send that video for your friends.
Need to stop that!
AE86Baz
07-25-2005, 12:51 PM
Why people still feel the need to wear animal fur in this day and age beggars belief, there are man-made alternatives if you feel you must resemble a dead animal, but ffs, can we stop killing these poor animals just so some rich bint can dress up for a night out! :(
Makes me sick to my stomach....
faisal7
07-25-2005, 01:07 PM
oh man.............
thats bad
so many animals dead
i am a complete animal lover............i personally had soo many fites wit people torturing poor dogs or cats
there sud be a international law Bannin fur clothing
good i live in a hot country where wearin fur is not suitable
SFDMALEX
07-25-2005, 01:17 PM
Being an animal lover this is just horrible. I would fucking kill the people that do this shit. I would honestly not feel bad about braking the arms of these people.
a007apl
07-25-2005, 01:21 PM
Tha last animal lives and that guy made that horror?
I broke all parts of that guy, I've sure about!
I see many films about horror, Fred Kruger, Jason, etc; its for me its the end!
nthfinity
07-25-2005, 02:26 PM
sure its not such a nice way to die, but i just dont care :-D
seriously
Trigun432
07-25-2005, 02:51 PM
Gee, thanks for posting that. It just turned my stomach. But smashing there heads on the ground like that just got me, man. That's just wrong.
That really really is sad.. And belive me a007apl is you showed that video to any girl I am sure she would say I don't want a fur coat. or anything from an animal..
That is just sick.. I am going to send this to some of the guys I know and I hope you guys do the same at least we do our part in educating people about it and someday this might stop.. It's really is a horrible way to die.. And as 5vz-fe said if must why not sure electric shock and do it indoors not like that with you hiting the poor animal head on the ground or putting your hole weight on his head.. or skin him alive that is just sick.... I hope that something really horrible happens to that guy who did that I really do..
SFDMALEX
07-25-2005, 03:22 PM
sure its not such a nice way to die, but i just dont care :-D
seriously
I'm no vegeterian but killing enimals just for fur is fucked! They need to kill a bunch of those just for one coat, while you can get something else these days that will look just like it.
Have you seen what they do to bears to in Asia? The torture just so it dances for some dicks who enjoy watching a bear ride a bycle.
Fucking sad to hear that you dont give a shit :|
gtx28
07-25-2005, 04:10 PM
Its like the shark hunt pics that someone posted the other day. Its a waste if you are not going to use a majority of the animal. Dont kill a deer or any other animal unless you plan to use it all. Skin for fur clothing whatever, meat for food etc. Anything else is a waste. There is no difference in killing a mink for its coat only vs killing a rhino for its horn, or a shark just for the jaw. Its all the same.
I just watched more of the vid, this is really not the biggest problem in the world. We could focus on more pressing matters for sure. On this thing in particular, the only thing I found particularly disturbing was that he didnt kill the animal first. Seems like this is one of those we should fix problems in our own countries before poking our noses in others type situations.
ARMAN
07-25-2005, 04:41 PM
:x bitches!!! Didnt even watched all the vid and dont wanna to, killing any animal for any reason that food(we cannot avoide that yet) is a crime IMO and must be punished :x
Lotus340R
07-25-2005, 05:15 PM
This is the worst video I saw in very long time. I want to do the same thing to that idiot. This is one of very few situations when I will have no problem to kill somebody. They should show this video on all movie festivals and all other meetings of important people or rich bastards. Some people must really be very stupid to pay money for something, which is product of this brutality.
Daggernite
07-25-2005, 05:19 PM
:( :( :( :( :( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Just simply wrong
Fleischmann
07-25-2005, 05:33 PM
If I had the chance I'd knock their teeth out using sledgehammers and then peel their skin of using a pickaxe and use it to wipe my ass...it's an equally revolting and pointless thing to do :x
I´ve seen that already and i must add these guys must be really fucked up to do something like this.
Always when i see this video i want to kill these bastards.
tigersoul
07-25-2005, 08:01 PM
fucking chinese, I ho pe they can get an agony and slowly death
Ferrarikid
07-25-2005, 09:14 PM
im not even gonna wach the vid i hate them my friend showed me one of american soldiers shooting a dog for fun it like ruined my life (not really)
xecutioner
07-26-2005, 09:44 AM
i reckon some ppl must of got dropped on there heads when they were young bc this is so sad
dingo
07-26-2005, 09:53 AM
I'm not even going to watch this video since it makes me sick - I can't stand these people.
I don't want to sound racist, but why is it the Asians often seem in the centre of this horrible treatment to animals? :x
F40tish
07-30-2005, 07:53 AM
People in fairly poor areas will deliver fur, they need the money and the market provides plenty of cash. The obvious problem is the market, where still today a huge demand for exclusive fur exists (which is just plain ridiculous in my opinion). Everyone involved with fur in their business or just a fan of the fur itself should be obligated to watch this clip. It's just like the killing of big cats and rhino's, the demand and supply market should torn aport.
Robbo
07-30-2005, 09:06 AM
Someone should do that to them and see how they like it.
DeMoN
07-30-2005, 02:14 PM
I could understand if they waited for them to die, but get them all together and kill one after the other while the rest of them watch?
Sir_GT
07-30-2005, 08:26 PM
I'm not defending these people or anything, but they actually do not think what they are doing is wrong. That is just how far apart the cultural views are towards animals.
Keep in mind that the chinese consider a bear's paw as a royal delicacy, as with an elephant's trunk, or even, and i'm dead serious, monkey's brain... eaten while the monkey is still alive.
If you've seen the scene in Hannibal where they eat the cop's brain while he's still living, then that's exactly how they eat monkey's brain in China.
The Chow-chow (a breed of dog) is also bred as a source of food in China.
Attempting to pass a law on animal rights in China will make as much sense to them as a legal requirement compelling western couples to kill their second female child to prevent over population.
I'm actually pretty disgusted by the whole thing, but what can you expect from a country which has pretty much closed itself for the better half of the 20th and 21st centuries?
a007apl
07-30-2005, 10:15 PM
I
H A T E
T H A T !!!!
5vz-fe
07-30-2005, 10:44 PM
As much as I hate to see poor animals being tortured..........one gotta admit that that might be the only way these ppl gain money to buy food (just food and that's it...no TV...no internet....no cars definitely).
As for eating dogs....it's just like Sir_GT said, it's a "culture", which so happen Koreans also share. If the majority of ppl are vegetarian, should we ban ppl from eating meat? I am a dog lover myself, but one gotta see thru this. What if some ppl are sheep lover or pig lover. I think what should be rectified is the way the animals are killed. It is enough that they die, so it is very important that they don't suffer pain doing so.
SFDMALEX
07-30-2005, 11:01 PM
/\/\/\A dog is friendly to humans, dogs get attached to humans, cows and pigs and fish dont. Thats a big difference. How could anybody kill a puppy who comes to you to play with etc.???Dogs defend their master, and obey their master. Other animals dont. So to me eating dogs is out of question no matter what the culture is, mind you a lot of my friends are asian and they agree with me.
Its on thing to kill an animal for food its another to kill a little animal for clothing...back in the day I would accept that, but now were there are bunch of supliments and its just sick to do so.
What pisses me off the most is people who buy the clothing, not people who kill the animals(well they do, but if no one bought it they wouldnt) You get P. Fuckers and J Ho's buying this fur...Fucking millionares buying it....They can have anything, but no they want a fur coat for which 100 animals had to be killed.
Plus these people clearly dont need to kill these animals for food. They are hunters and they can kill a dear instead....plus tell me, how much food can you get from these poor little things?
There is no excuse for this shit.
P.S Im no vegetarian, I eat meat, but I do have a dog a cat and a fish and make montly donations to the humane society...one doesnt have to be a tree hugging hippy to see the wrong in all of this shit.
Toronto
07-30-2005, 11:28 PM
in asia they breed dogs as you would cattle.. so they get just as attached as a cow would!
do you people not wear leather? eat the meat
do people not eat rabbit? wear the fur
you can't pick and choose... you either are for any killing of any animals (except for endangered ones) or not and go have a soy drink :P
SFDMALEX
07-30-2005, 11:38 PM
/\/\/\
Leather is a by product of cow which we use for meat. No one kills a cow just for the skin.
Same with rabbit, fur is a by product, no one kills rabits for the fur alone.
A little animal like in that video is killed for one reason, fur, and killed brutaly too, so hell ya I can pick and choose...
5vz-fe
07-30-2005, 11:50 PM
U really think there are so many rabbit meat demand?? I am pretty sure it is the other way around.
Leather is an integral part of the livestock trade. Leather sales help keep slaughterhouses in business and the meat industry profitable. Most of the millions of cows, pigs, sheep and other animals who are slaughtered for their skins endure the horrors of factory farming - overcrowding, deprivation of all that is natural to them and unanaesthetised castration, branding, tail-docking and dehorning.
The origin of most leather products sold in the United States and elsewhere is unknown. Thus, the consumer will never know where the leather he or she purchases originates from, or even whether or not that leather comes from a cow. Pigs, horses, sheep, lambs, goats, and even dogs and cats are also killed for their leather. People have no way to judge the "greater or lesser degree" of cruelty attached to leather items. Instead of attempting to practice this moral relativism when shopping, buying any leather goods should be avoided.
Source: http://www.idausa.org/facts/leatherfacts.html
SFDMALEX
07-31-2005, 12:01 AM
Im more and more dissapointed by the world we live in.
Banchi105
07-31-2005, 12:48 AM
Hey,
ITS NOT A PERSON
SFDMALEX
07-31-2005, 12:50 AM
/\/\/\What are you trying to say?
Banchi105
07-31-2005, 12:53 AM
Your right--
We shouldn't be killing animals just for their fur.
We should be killing them because they're just stupid-fucking animals.
SFDMALEX
07-31-2005, 12:58 AM
/\/\/\How about I kill you for being a stupid mother fucking cunt? :D I'd take pleasure in that. Do it just the same way as the fuckers in that video.
5vz-fe
07-31-2005, 01:45 AM
WTF is your problem Banchi105.....................too much weed or something?
I think saying such cruel thing entitle u to be an animal, and posting that on a topic like this clearly stated that u are stupid (either if u intend to joke or serious about it). Given the above 2 facts, I 100% SFDMALEX's action
TeflonTron
07-31-2005, 01:37 PM
:cry:
Sir_GT
08-03-2005, 10:24 PM
Im more and more dissapointed by the world we live in.
Have you got leather seats? :)
graywolf624
08-03-2005, 10:49 PM
It honestly doesn't bother me because to create the type of fur these places use, they have to run a farm with those animals. They aren't wild animals, they are livestock, just like a cow.
If it were hunting in the wild Id find it disgusting if you didnt eat the animal too.. and for the record some of us still eat rabbits and other small animals on occassion. In fact I remember learning to hunt on squirrels. I try to live life by the dont waste things.. Of course it bothers me just as much when people take more on their plates then they can eat and waste the extra.
TeflonTron
08-04-2005, 11:51 AM
It honestly doesn't bother me because to create the type of fur these places use, they have to run a farm with those animals. They aren't wild animals, they are livestock, just like a cow.
If it were hunting in the wild Id find it disgusting if you didnt eat the animal too.. and for the record some of us still eat rabbits and other small animals on occassion. In fact I remember learning to hunt on squirrels. I try to live life by the dont waste things.. Of course it bothers me just as much when people take more on their plates then they can eat and waste the extra.
It doesn't sicken you to see any animal have its head bashed in, have its throat crushed by a boot heel, have its feet chopped off, have it's tendons severed, and then have its fur ripped off, all whilst still alive? Then, after the fur is off, it's just thrown in a trailer like a pice of trash: AND IT'S STILL ALIVE.
That sickens me to the pit of my stomach.
Ian_yamaue
08-04-2005, 01:53 PM
Outrageous... Why girls have to like it...
graywolf624
08-04-2005, 05:21 PM
It doesn't sicken you to see any animal have its head bashed in, have its throat crushed by a boot heel, have its feet chopped off, have it's tendons severed, and then have its fur ripped off, all whilst still alive? Then, after the fur is off, it's just thrown in a trailer like a pice of trash: AND IT'S STILL ALIVE
First, the majority of way the animals in capitivity are killed is out there.. There was a group protesting chicken killing for the same reason. Honestly, as I said before, wild Id be disgusted. But farm raised, quite frankly they arent really animals. Frankly, its a production line.. They are born to be that way and die to be that way. Comming from a long history of farmers, I can't look at it any other way sorry.. You treat the animal well while its around but at the end of the day its your food and otherwise.
Really my only concern is that hopefully they dont waste the meat but its shipped somewhere eventualy. Well that, and might I remind you that weasel family members are nasty animals.
nuri123
08-05-2005, 01:43 AM
motherfucker that man :x :x
TeflonTron
08-05-2005, 11:57 AM
It doesn't sicken you to see any animal have its head bashed in, have its throat crushed by a boot heel, have its feet chopped off, have it's tendons severed, and then have its fur ripped off, all whilst still alive? Then, after the fur is off, it's just thrown in a trailer like a pice of trash: AND IT'S STILL ALIVE
First, the majority of way the animals in capitivity are killed is out there.. There was a group protesting chicken killing for the same reason. Honestly, as I said before, wild Id be disgusted. But farm raised, quite frankly they arent really animals. Frankly, its a production line.. They are born to be that way and die to be that way. Comming from a long history of farmers, I can't look at it any other way sorry.. You treat the animal well while its around but at the end of the day its your food and otherwise.
Really my only concern is that hopefully they dont waste the meat but its shipped somewhere eventualy. Well that, and might I remind you that weasel family members are nasty animals.
Have you even seen the video, man? Killing an animal for food/fur is one thing, but torturing it to do so is 100% sick and unacceptable in my eyes. Don't try and pass it off any other way.
graywolf624
08-05-2005, 03:33 PM
Killing an animal for food/fur is one thing, but torturing it to do so is 100% sick and unacceptable in my eyes. Don't try and pass it off any other way.
It has nothing to do with torturing the animal either. It isn't done that way to torture the animal, its done that way becuase it gives the best coat. Do some research on how kfc kills chickens. Sickening to watch till you remember yet again its a production line. The animal isn't an animal, its a product.
exhausted mules
08-05-2005, 03:39 PM
causing any unecessary pain to livestock is like putting a huge wing on a street legal civic.
its just plain wrong.
morals would say that if you dont want something done to yourself... dont do it to others. that included all living things. Trees, animals (farmed or not) and other humans.
I couldn't care less how the animals where raised or what the intentions are for raising them.. in the end, this video is a perfect example of what disregard some ppl have towards life. if you dont agree with this... its quite clear that you would be in the same boat as the ones skinning the animals themselves.
5vz-fe
08-05-2005, 04:37 PM
Killing an animal for food/fur is one thing, but torturing it to do so is 100% sick and unacceptable in my eyes. Don't try and pass it off any other way.
It has nothing to do with torturing the animal either. It isn't done that way to torture the animal, its done that way becuase it gives the best coat. Do some research on how kfc kills chickens. Sickening to watch till you remember yet again its a production line. The animal isn't an animal, its a product.
I know ppl are entitle to different opinion, but I really really don't agree to your "it has nothing to do with torturing the animal". I think it has every bit to do with how animal dies. I can live with the fact that they are raised to be skinned, but at least kill them quick and painless......
How KFC kills chickens is a totally seperate matter, it doesn't make it OK to torture animals even if a big company like KFC do so.
graywolf624
08-05-2005, 06:01 PM
morals would say that if you dont want something done to yourself... dont do it to others. that included all living things. Trees, animals (farmed or not) and other humans
How have you not starved to death? Or are you volunteering to be eaten and used to cloth someone? How about burned in your fireplace? Chopped in half while still alive? Come on, think before you say man..
"it has nothing to do with torturing the animal". I think it has every bit to do with how animal dies. I can live with the fact that they are raised to be skinned, but at least kill them quick and painless......
I wasnt trying to belittle your opinion, I was trying to point out to you that the company would kill the animal in any way that creates the best pelt for the least cash. They arent doing it to torture the animal. If it does, well Im sorry but at the end of the day I dont really agree. I enjoy my kfc and I don't care if my gf wants to have a fur coat(she aint getting one cause im a miser but still)..
The only thing that concerns me from the whole thing is that they use the meat in a useful way after they are done and that the animals arent from the wild. If they don't, that would seriously disgust me.
mario_lobinho
08-05-2005, 07:32 PM
:x
If for example a alien did that like the film Predator ( at least that one only killed who had guns) all said tat as murder or something worst.This that " humans" did alot of people call fashion.
When see " humans" defending that ... how i wish that i could put they all in just one pc game. The name f the ame is ... carmaggedon :twisted:
graywolf624
08-05-2005, 09:10 PM
If for example a alien did that like the film Predator
Don't think for a second an animal wouldnt do the same to you..
Actually I often wonder if an alien enemy would help the world. Perhaps create some sense of unity that would cause peace.. Otherwise itll never happen.
Banchi105
08-06-2005, 01:39 AM
REMEMBER KIDS
KILL ANIMALS BEFORE THEY KILL YOU
...and if your going to kill them - you might as well torture them a bit, eh?
Banchi105
08-06-2005, 01:39 AM
REMEMBER KIDS
KILL ANIMALS BEFORE THEY KILL YOU
...and if your going to kill them - you might as well torture them a bit, eh?
SFDMALEX
08-06-2005, 11:38 AM
Gray- that video displays straight torture. I too grew up around people with chickens and pigs, not quite farms, and the way they just kill the animal as fast as possible so you dont get too much adrenalin in the meat.
Again Im not hippy but there is no need for torture. And that video is torture.
Lastly why kill an animal for fur in this day and age? Why not get some fake fur? My mother just bought a big coat, fake but feels and looks just like the real thing.
graywolf624
08-06-2005, 11:43 AM
Lastly why kill an animal for fur in this day and age? Why not get some fake fur? My mother just bought a big coat, fake but feels and looks just like the real thing.
Why buy a ferrari and drive it only on the street? Why want a real diamond instead of a diamonique? Why were the backstreet boys popular?
Thats another question that lies with the consumer not the supplier. If people didn't buy them it wouldnt be made. So go ask the people who buy them, not me.
nthfinity
08-06-2005, 12:02 PM
morals would say that if you dont want something done to yourself... dont do it to others. that included all living things. Trees, animals (farmed or not) and other humans.
one should not personify trees :roll: how can such things be compared to humans?? thats just nonsence.
im not interested in watching the video since i honestly dont care :)
is it torture, perhaps; but perhaps whatever is shown gives the best results. i agree that fur coats are disgusting to look at, at least :wink:
SFDMALEX
08-06-2005, 12:23 PM
Lastly why kill an animal for fur in this day and age? Why not get some fake fur? My mother just bought a big coat, fake but feels and looks just like the real thing.
Why buy a ferrari and drive it only on the street? Why want a real diamond instead of a diamonique? Why were the backstreet boys popular?
Thats another question that lies with the consumer not the supplier. If people didn't buy them it wouldnt be made. So go ask the people who buy them, not me.
Well I dont quite get the Ferrari analogy.
A diamonique will never look the same as a real dimamond, if you ever compare the two.
Why baskstreet boys were popular? They were popular :shock: :? :D
Sorry I just wont wear a product for which animals were tortured(not killed) in order to make it. That video is torture, and the sad part is that in these Asain countries, they torture the animals.
Just so you know its not fur only. Bears are starved and tortured and tied to trees there, they make em ride bycles etc.
This video is not the only issue, its just a part of it.
SFDMALEX
08-06-2005, 12:25 PM
perhaps whatever is shown gives the best results.
Cant make that assumption can you? Watch the video.
nthfinity
08-06-2005, 12:29 PM
perhaps whatever is shown gives the best results.
Cant make that assumption can you? Watch the video.
i just offered a guess, like i said, i have no desire to watch it :)
graywolf624
08-06-2005, 12:30 PM
^Because if there was a cheaper way to do it they would.. Businesses go for the cheap way out, thats what they are about. All businesses do it, just sometimes public perception is part of the cost, in this case it isn't.
A diamonique will never look the same as a real dimamond, if you ever compare the two.
The same people would say a synthetic can never be same as real thing. Personally I dont agree with either and think diamonds in themselves for image is bullshit. But Im not the target audience either.
LotusGT1
08-06-2005, 12:55 PM
Honestly, as I said before, wild Id be disgusted. But farm raised, quite frankly they arent really animals. Frankly, its a production line.
BS. Just because humans have decided to breed these animals as stock doesn't make them any less animal. And yes, there are tons of less cruel ways to kill such an animal without getting more expensive. This isn't the cheap way out, it's the easy way out.
graywolf624
08-06-2005, 12:58 PM
there are tons of less cruel ways to kill such an animal without getting more expensive.
If there are, tell them and Im sure theyll use them. Companies will adopt what evers cheapest and yields the best results. Stunning the animal and skinning it alive Id be willing to bet is one of the most efficient ways of doing so in a country where labor costs practically nothing and drugging the animals could cost a fortune.
You wouldn't make a very good farmer. The minute you start thinking of them as anything more then a production line is the minute you either quit or you starve.
LotusGT1
08-06-2005, 01:10 PM
I give a flying fuck I don't think as a farmer or would make it like one.
For once snapping their necks can be done easier than smashing them on the ground like an uncontrolled madman.
8 out of 10 times people do have a choice as a farmer, it only takes extra effort and a little thinking.
graywolf624
08-06-2005, 01:23 PM
8 out of 10 times people do have a choice as a farmer, it only takes extra effort and a little thinking.
Extra effort = more money.. Back to square one of the statement again...
LotusGT1
08-06-2005, 01:29 PM
Extra effort beforehand. Not at the proces itself. LOL...how obvious do you want it?
graywolf624
08-06-2005, 01:57 PM
Extra effort before hand costs money too. Labor.. even thinking time.. Costs money.
LotusGT1
08-06-2005, 02:01 PM
You're not starting any business before at least thinking about what you are planning to do in the future. Lame excuse.
graywolf624
08-06-2005, 02:42 PM
^and that my friend is what a company does. It finds a way to make the most with the least cost. Since public relations isn't a cost in asia like it is in western countries, this is the most economical path.
Now if all the people buying the products cared enough that it became a cost, it would change. At the end of the day though, the corporation is here to make money and thats all. Public relations is a cost, but only if your public cares and/or its against the law.
The same thing happens with outsourced labor. For a time sweat shops were fine, then it entered the public perception and companies changed their plans.
So I guess if it bothers you, send the vid to everyone you know who wants to buy fur. Considering no one in my circle has the money to waste on something so austentaious my opinion is moot anyway. Middle class don't have fur unless they shot it themselves.
SFDMALEX
08-06-2005, 02:48 PM
Sorry Gray, but hitting the animal with a big stick on the head, or twisting its neck is much less time consuming that banging the poor animal on the floor for 5min until it dies.
Again did you watch the video? Its clearly about torture and nothing else. If he wanted to just kill the animal he could have done many other things that would take much less time for ex. twist the neck, hit on the head hard, knife in the heart....
graywolf624
08-06-2005, 02:50 PM
Knife in the heart breaks the pelt, twist to the kneck risks worker injuries(weasels arent exactly warm and cuddly), and banging the thing on the ground 3 or 4 x is hitting it on its head. They are stunning it. Like a cheap taser.
Yet again, don't like it, don't buy it.. Its that simple. If it becomes a cost the company has to consider they'll stop it and then market as the company that doesnt harm the weasel.. Thats what the freerange crap thats marketed here is about for the most part.
kaimano3d
11-20-2005, 06:57 PM
4 gigdy i'll buy me 2 something 4 christmas a car with leather seats... with your skin of course :wink:
Banchi105
11-21-2005, 12:54 AM
Ok. Someone ban this guy.
Bringing up threads from the dead to start some shit. :fist:
thepest
11-22-2005, 09:02 AM
What kinda sick lunatic, do you have to be in order to do such things. Man, they diserve one thing, and one thing only :2gunfire:
Uhhhh I'm getting SO pissed off when I see something like this.
I would personally torture every single one of them. If that's the last thing I would do.
........poor animals.... It's really sad guys. This has GOT TO STOP!!!
greasemunky326
11-22-2005, 09:39 PM
its amazing what effect ignorance has caused on the human race, it just saddens me to watch this, after crap like that it seems that we came to this world to destroy instead of to make it better... :x :x :x
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