F430 on Top Gear

[Global Warming]

Wow! I have been waiting for this all season. What an incredible car. Funny the Stig actually hit the tire barrier and left a black mark on the car!! :shock:

Plus the track lap was a little slower than the 360CS but they blame it all on the Bridgestones that come on the F430 instead of the Parellis that came on the 360.

[Sir_GT]

Bleh.

I was actually annoyed that there was nothing wrong with it. Now every wanker with a fat wallet will be driving one around town rather slowly trying to pull chicks.

Ah well... it pays the bills I guess.

[Global Warming]

What I was most surprised about is that Jeremy had nothing bad to say about the flappy paddle gear box on the F430, and was even later on arguing that the paddle gearbox in the Audi TT was better than the normal standard transmission in the 350Z!! Clarkson has always criticized the paddles but seems to have completely changed in this episode.

But in the end I agree with JC, I would take the S2k over all those 2 seaters also.

Also, now I really want to take a trip to Iceland!! That just looked amazing and beautiful!!

[Sir_GT]

It's not just the environment in Iceland that looks amazing and beautiful... try looking at their women... they all look like poster girls.

Jeremy's right about the DSG though. Even EVO magazine said that is was just a little too good in fact.

[SFDMALEX]

Plus the track lap was a little slower than the 360CS but they blame it all on the Bridgestones that come on the F430 instead of the Parellis that came on the 360.

Pirelli do make a faster tire. Its also fact in FIA GT aswel.

A tire can make a world of difference. I say 2 sec a lap minimum. So it would lap about a sec and half faster then the CS. Considering its power advantage It would definetly lap a long track significantly faster. Especialy something like Nordshcelife.

[T-Bird]

but Ferrari is afraid of Nordschleife

[bmagni]

Plus the track lap was a little slower than the 360CS but they blame it all on the Bridgestones that come on the F430 instead of the Parellis that came on the 360.

Pirelli do make a faster tire. Its also fact in FIA GT aswel.

A tire can make a world of difference. I say 2 sec a lap minimum. So it would lap about a sec and half faster then the CS. Considering its power advantage It would definetly lap a long track significantly faster. Especialy something like Nordshcelife.

yeah, i had a nice laugh on that comment, specially coming from the ferrari engineers...

[RC45]

Plus the track lap was a little slower than the 360CS but they blame it all on the Bridgestones that come on the F430 instead of the Parellis that came on the 360.

Pirelli do make a faster tire. Its also fact in FIA GT aswel.

A tire can make a world of difference. I say 2 sec a lap minimum. So it would lap about a sec and half faster then the CS. Considering its power advantage It would definetly lap a long track significantly faster. Especialy something like Nordshcelife.

So why don't they ship the car with sticky tyres then? The posers and nouve riche don't need sticky rubber to cruise around the night clubs I guess... :P ;)

[SFDMALEX]

but Ferrari is afraid of Nordschleife

Oh really??????OMG! And I guess lapping it once for the Vette boys makes you all brave experts of the circuit! :roll:

Just to educate you. Ferrari the factory never lap any tracks officialy except for its Formula 1 team. :wink: They have their own test facility. :wink: Why do they need to use a different one? :| :wink: They'll have a magazine or somehting do it for them. :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

Plus the track lap was a little slower than the 360CS but they blame it all on the Bridgestones that come on the F430 instead of the Parellis that came on the 360.

Pirelli do make a faster tire. Its also fact in FIA GT aswel.

A tire can make a world of difference. I say 2 sec a lap minimum. So it would lap about a sec and half faster then the CS. Considering its power advantage It would definetly lap a long track significantly faster. Especialy something like Nordshcelife.

So why don't they ship the car with sticky tyres then? The posers and nouve riche don't need sticky rubber to cruise around the night clubs I guess... :P ;)

Why the stupid comments? :D :wink: This is a business and Ferrari have a relationship with Bridgestone.

Anyway doent they ship all the Vettes with those useless run flats for posers and latte drinkers who dont know how to change a tire? :roll: Talk about posers...


Anyway I'm sure the knowledgeble will ask for the Pirelli, dont worry about it. :wink: Just like all of you "ethusiast Z06 drivers" ask them to remove the cup holders. OMG :shock: Runflats? Cup holders? Holly fuck man! They are shipping the ultimate poser mobile! :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink:

[T-Bird]

but Ferrari is afraid of Nordschleife

Oh really??????OMG! And I guess lapping it once for the Vette boys makes you all brave experts of the circuit! :roll:

Just to educate you. Ferrari the factory never lap any tracks officialy except for its Formula 1 team. :wink: They have their own test facility. :wink: Why do they need to use a different one? :| :wink: They'll have a magazine or somehting do it for them. :wink:

wow take a joke.

are you saying that Ferrari is the only company with a private track? us crazy americans have multiple tracks per company and they aren't all drag strips.

[Global Warming]

James always gets the best lines… He said about how great it was- “I was driving it (the 430) in Italy and a man had to get me out with a stick”. LOL

[SFDMALEX]

wow take a joke.

are you saying that Ferrari is the only company with a private track? us crazy americans have multiple tracks per company and they aren't all drag strips.

I'm sorry, I've just been under attack from all the Vette fanboys lately so it's hard to spot sarcasm and humour.

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that they have their own private test facility were they do their testing. They great roads around Modena, and they dont really need to go anywere else to do their work. :wink:

Anyway it is rather rare for a company to officialy lap the ring.

[RC45]

Plus the track lap was a little slower than the 360CS but they blame it all on the Bridgestones that come on the F430 instead of the Parellis that came on the 360.

Pirelli do make a faster tire. Its also fact in FIA GT aswel.

A tire can make a world of difference. I say 2 sec a lap minimum. So it would lap about a sec and half faster then the CS. Considering its power advantage It would definetly lap a long track significantly faster. Especialy something like Nordshcelife.

So why don't they ship the car with sticky tyres then? The posers and nouve riche don't need sticky rubber to cruise around the night clubs I guess... :P ;)

Why the stupid comments? :D :wink: This is a business and Ferrari have a relationship with Bridgestone.

Anyway doent they ship all the Vettes with those useless run flats for posers and latte drinkers who dont know how to change a tire? :roll: Talk about posers...


Anyway I'm sure the knowledgeble will ask for the Pirelli, dont worry about it. :wink: Just like all of you "ethusiast Z06 drivers" ask them to remove the cup holders. OMG :shock: Runflats? Cup holders? Holly fuck man! They are shipping the ultimate poser mobile! :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink:

Well the C5 Z06 has GY F1 SC's - the same as later F-Cars were shipped with... ;) The C6 Z06 may have runcraps. but apparently they are stickier than what ships in the F430. :)

[RC45]

wow take a joke.

are you saying that Ferrari is the only company with a private track? us crazy americans have multiple tracks per company and they aren't all drag strips.

I'm sorry, I've just been under attack from all the Vette fanboys lately so it's hard to spot sarcasm and humour.

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that they have their own private test facility were they do their testing. They great roads around Modena, and they dont really need to go anywere else to do their work. :wink:

Anyway it is rather rare for a company to officialy lap the ring.

On the contrary - you have been on the rampage and attack fo the last week.

You just won't suck it up and give credit where it is due, without some F-car excuse :)

[SFDMALEX]

Well the C5 Z06 has GY F1 SC's - the same as later F-Cars were shipped with... ;) The C6 Z06 may have runcraps. but apparently they are stickier than what ships in the F430. :)

Who gives a shit? :D They are still runflats. :wink: Why would any one want them? I know! Posers who dont know how to change a tire. :D :wink:

[RC45]

Well the C5 Z06 has GY F1 SC's - the same as later F-Cars were shipped with... ;) The C6 Z06 may have runcraps. but apparently they are stickier than what ships in the F430. :)

Who gives a shit? :D They are still runflats. :wink: Why would any one want them? I know! Posers who dont know how to change a tire. :D :wink:

Well- quite frankly I don't give a shit either - my car never came with runflats. :)

[Global Warming]

So we are now arguing over what car ships with the best tires?!?! Wow. If you are spending enough to afford a new Z06 OR 430 I think you can spend the little extra to get whatever the hell tires you want on it!!! :roll:

[SFDMALEX]

On the contrary - you have been on the rampage and attack fo the last week.

You just won't suck it up and give credit where it is due, without some F-car excuse :)

Excuse me? I wont give credit? Tell me were I said that the Z06 is slow anything like that? I said numerous times that Im very impressed by its time at the ring. Didnt expect it to go that fast.

Actually its you boasting about your Z06 for the past 2 years without putting down an F-car or a Porker or anything non Vette.

Its you bringing in the Vette into a thread which has nothing to do with it.

Go read over the Nordshelife threads and see what you type. It seems to be more about putting down anything non-vette then actually appriacting the Corvette.

Its you who's been on a Ferrari hating spree. Shit you even called Fiorano and techinicaly simple smooth track :roll: Yeah I guess Enzo build it for show, not for testing purposes of the F1 team :roll: And I guess its simplicty and smoothness makes me lap it 2 sec faster then you in an NGT car :D :wink:


I give credit buddy were its needed.

[RC45]

Not at al. All this bullshit started because "certain people" had a problem thinking any Corvette was able to post a sub 7m45s lap.

It went south from there.

Y'all tried everything from heritage, to race history, to price, demograpphic, reliability hp/l, handling, speed, pedigree - you name it - as to why "Corvettes suck arse and are no good cheap piles of shit". It gets a little tiring to read that crap every day.

The bottom line is Ferrari is not the be all and end all of the performance car world either.

They are just one player.

I have admitted in literally hundereds of thread on many forums that the Corvette Z06 is a cheap, affordable kick-your-arse-to-the-curb car - can and does run neck and neck with other performance cars of a similar vintage - P911TT, F360CS, Lambo Gallardo and a coupel others - nothing more.

It is also a cheaply made, fast to depreciate, badly service hunk of GM crap.

There is not "fan boy" attitude here - it is a s reality based opinion.

The problem is that you folks will NEVER let a single "hey the Z06 did this" or "the Z06 could do that" etc comment go by on face value.

You folks always bicar and argue to the nth degree that it just couldn't be true because "and you list all the age old stereotypical arguments".

But in the same breath ANYTHING Ferrari or Porsche is just accepted as gospel.

That is the reality that is portrayed over many of these threads.

[Global Warming]

RC45 I think this may be the one and only point you and I have any common ground on. I'm sick of people that immediately hate a car just because its from America. That is such a close minded attitude that shows you have no real love of cars.

I respect every car maker on the planet, from Ferrari to Ford, from Hyundai to Honda.

I do get sick of fan boys of cars from all over. M3 fanboys, Skyline fanboys, Mustang fanboys, Lexus fanboys. If you are anyone of those or others you need to grow up!!

[Dal]

isnt everyone gettin a little to emo over a little topic :roll:

[Sir_GT]

isnt everyone gettin a little to emo over a little topic :roll:

Welcome to Jabba mate. :)

[dingo]

isnt everyone gettin a little to emo over a little topic :roll:

This 'fued' runs a little deeper than just this thread - they have "history". :P

[jon_s]

A history that is always funny to read :lol: 8)

[SFDMALEX]

RC45 I think this may be the one and only point you and I have any common ground on. I'm sick of people that immediately hate a car just because its from America. That is such a close minded attitude that shows you have no real love of cars.


Frankly I dont give a shit were a car comes from. I'm not Italian, German or American and half of Europe probably doesnt even consider me European so I don't see how geography plays any role in my attachment to cars.

I respect the Z06 for what it is. It's a very fast car. I gave it credit in that deprtment long time ago.

What is evident on this forum in the American Muscle section is just pure ignorance of anything non-Vette.

Poser this poser that, snob this snob that. Shit I'm a snob and a poser for liking Ferrari? Very nice.

The arrogance is so strong that shit like a private test cicuit is said to be technicaly simple whilst a whole formula 1 team does most of their testing there.

The arrogance is so strong that an un relased models of cars are already said to be so slow and incapable.

So in the end its not me who looks so bad. I'm just there taking instinctive counter shots.

I don't think people hate on the Z06, because their is not much to hate about besides the fact that its being hyped up to be some larger then life ultimate performance machine, which it is not and you have to realize it. It's so damn good put a blower on it and it will eat the enzo alive. Its so damn good that it will beat a Ferrari that there are no plans for even...

If you feel like people dont give the car credit stop trying to make it the fastest thing on the planet cause its not and you wont get credit for it. :wink:

[RC45]

RC45 I think this may be the one and only point you and I have any common ground on. I'm sick of people that immediately hate a car just because its from America. That is such a close minded attitude that shows you have no real love of cars.


Frankly I dont give a shit were a car comes from. I'm not Italian, German or American and half of Europe probably doesnt even consider me European so I don't see how geography plays any role in my attachment to cars.

I have no comment - not my argument ;)


I respect the Z06 for what it is. It's a very fast car. I gave it credit in that deprtment long time ago.

We don't need your respect - we already pwn uuu !1111!!!!!!11!! ;) :P (btw - that's a joke)


What is evident on this forum in the American Muscle section is just pure ignorance of anything non-Vette.

I hope you are not addressing me on this. I have extensive interest and knowledge in all things automotive. Books, videos, DVD's and pictures etc.


Poser this poser that, snob this snob that. Shit I'm a snob and a poser for liking Ferrari? Very nice.

Just the same way anyone with a Vette is a balding middle aged faggot or a whitetrash trailer park resident? ;) Stereotypes.. what would we do without them.

The bottomline is that Jabba, for example, is the EXCEPTION rather than the rule of Ferrari and Lambo owner.

I have met far more arrogant, poser, rich punks who own F-Cars and Lambos than down to earth enthusiasts like Jabba. Sad but true.

I have also met far more arrogant, rich, poser, ill-informed, Auto C5 Coupe/Vert drivers than down to earth honest ones - you will find the more informed performance enthusiasts go for the Z06 ;)

Guess what though - that's the demographic of the world - you will come across far more ignorant, ill-informed, fools online and in real life than not. Why is that ? I don't know - maybe thats just how rotton the world has got... :)


The arrogance is so strong that shit like a private test cicuit is said to be technicaly simple whilst a whole formula 1 team does most of their testing there.

I am guessing you sometimes lose sight of the humour in these jests.. :)


The arrogance is so strong that an un relased models of cars are already said to be so slow and incapable.

Why not - Tifosi are proclaiming the F430CS-whatever will be the best - so why can't antifosi say the opposite ;)


So in the end its not me who looks so bad. I'm just there taking instinctive counter shots.

Exactly - what do you think we are doing? ;)


I don't think people hate on the Z06, because their is not much to hate about besides the fact that its being hyped up to be some larger then life ultimate performance machine, which it is not and you have to realize it.

Well - as a daily Z06 driver I can tell you that it is damn good and way above average and runs and guns with the best out there - is it the ultimate performance machine? Of course not - especially not in stock from, but then again there are many P and F cars that are not "the ultimate" either. Each is very capable. Enough said ;)


It's so damn good put a blower on it and it will eat the enzo alive. Its so damn good that it will beat a Ferrari that there are no plans for even...

Well - that sadly is a reality - slap a blower on it and it will run with the Enzo etc. Don't hate on it for that potential, just accept that it is. :P

Doers that make it an Enzo - of course it doesn't ;)


If you feel like people dont give the car credit stop trying to make it the fastest thing on the planet cause its not and you wont get credit for it. :wink:
It was and never will be - but then again neither was or is the F360CS (which is C5 Z06 vintage) - so there is more than just an outside chance that the C6 Z will outclass the F430.. ;)

What's the big deal, you Tifosi still haev a couple $500,000 to $1 Million cars that are better than the top GM car.

So what ;)

The bottomline is that if the reality of how good each car is - especially say the F360CS vs C5 Z06 contest that shows they are each others equals - was just left at that, all would be ok.

But - for example - as soon as the reality of the C5 Z06 being a performance equal to the F360CS is brought up, the argument degrades to "But the Vette is cheap plastic, low tech, white trash blah blah blah" - which in turn will result in "The CS is just for rich posers and wannabes blah blah blah".

Why can - for example - these 2 cars not be judged on the merits of the performance and ability alone - without bringing price and desirability etc being brought into it?

So the Enzo kicks the Z06's ares - good it should, but the Mosler MT900 is the Enzo's performance equal.

These are the discussions we should be having, not that the Enzo is better than the Mosler because although matching specs, it is not an F-Car and is not exclusive etc etc etc.

Why can't we all just be PERFORMANCE enthusiasts - and if "our favourite" make/model loses, it loses.

You cannot count how many times I have had to hear online and in person the line "Yeah - sure your crappy Chevy beats my M3, but it doesn't have the interior refinement I have" etc etc.

Give it up already is what I say :) :P

Any one else tired of not just being able to enjoy the PERFORMANCE of performance cars...??? ;) :P

[SFDMALEX]

Any one else tired of not just being able to enjoy the PERFORMANCE of performance cars...??? ;) :P

I got tired of not being able to long time ago :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

Well - that sadly is a reality - slap a blower on it and it will run with the Enzo etc. Don't hate on it for that potential, just accept that it is. :P


And Enzo has the potential of turning into the FXX :wink:

My bad for brining up the stock vs modded point, because when it gets to modding it's how deep your pocket is that counts.

Anyway Im sure the Aerial Atom will beat the Enzo too, but you see they cant be compared.

Presumably the Enzo offers the closest thing for formula 1 expriance you can have in a road legal car. That being the fact that it's full of the technology etc etc... :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

What's the big deal, you Tifosi still haev a couple $500,000 to $1 Million cars that are better than the top GM car.

If you mean pure track times then there are tons of cars that are faster then my f-cars and your Z06 :wink:

But pure speed doesnt make a "good car", that being said, there are much cheaper cars that are better then the Z06 when it comes to being a better car. :wink: If you add styling, technology, quality and all that into the equation. :wink:

[bmagni]

What is evident on this forum in the American Muscle section is just pure ignorance of anything non-Vette.

I hope you are not addressing me on this. I have extensive interest and knowledge in all things automotive. Books, videos, DVD's and pictures etc.

I guess we all know ur interest on cars, personally i think u have a great knowledge about them, ive even have learned stuff frome you ;)



It's so damn good put a blower on it and it will eat the enzo alive. Its so damn good that it will beat a Ferrari that there are no plans for even...

Well - that sadly is a reality - slap a blower on it and it will run with the Enzo etc. Don't hate on it for that potential, just accept that it is. :P

Doers that make it an Enzo - of course it doesn't ;)


I totally agree with you in this one, I said this a few times (with different exapmples) and people even have said im a snob, and they just dont get it, or I don't know how to explain it.



Why can't we all just be PERFORMANCE enthusiasts - and if "our favourite" make/model loses, it loses.

You cannot count how many times I have had to hear online and in person the line "Yeah - sure your crappy Chevy beats my M3, but it doesn't have the interior refinement I have" etc etc.

Give it up already is what I say :) :P

Any one else tired of not just being able to enjoy the PERFORMANCE of performance cars...??? ;) :P

your right in this one, but i guess we should also discuss the other stuff as inetriors and all that stuff, after all this is a car forum than involves everything in them. We just dont have to take it too far and start saying stupid shit.

[Global Warming]

Presumably the Enzo offers the closest thing for formula 1 expriance you can have in a road legal car. That being the fact that it's full of the technology etc etc... :wink:

Westfield XTR4 is street legal.
http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/4033/4609/norm_14_XTR4_2004_UK.jpg

[sameerrao]

[quote=RC45]
Presumably the Enzo offers the closest thing for formula 1 expriance you can have in a road legal car. That being the fact that it's full of the technology etc etc... :wink:

Perhaps the Rocket (Gordan Murray open wheel car) and Radical SRT would come the closest to a race car feel from a "road car". Just my opinion

I remember some interview where Michael said his RS6 was a great car but was 25% as fun as an F430. And then he said the F430 was about 10% as much fun as the F1 car.

Sorry for going off-topic here ... besides I dont know remember what the original topic was anyway ...

[SFDMALEX]

Presumably the Enzo offers the closest thing for formula 1 expriance you can have in a road legal car. That being the fact that it's full of the technology etc etc... :wink:

Westfield XTR4 is street legal.
http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/4033/4609/norm_14_XTR4_2004_UK.jpg

If you read my post you will see me say "technology", something the westfield doesnt have. The tricky TC, the flappy gearbox and all the other stuff derived straight from F1 :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

race car feel from a "road car"....

:wink: Not F1 though.

[Global Warming]

Presumably the Enzo offers the closest thing for formula 1 expriance you can have in a road legal car. That being the fact that it's full of the technology etc etc... :wink:

Westfield XTR4 is street legal.
http://www.autoindex.org/images/cars/4033/4609/norm_14_XTR4_2004_UK.jpg

If you read my post you will see me say "technology", something the westfield doesnt have. The tricky TC, the flappy gearbox and all the other stuff derived straight from F1 :wink:

OH if you want that stuff just get a Pontiac grand-prix?

[sameerrao]

race car feel from a "road car"....

:wink: Not F1 though.

Well nothing gives you a true F1 feel other than F1 ... :D

[graywolf624]

This 'fued' runs a little deeper than just this thread - they have "history".
You make it sound like they dated or something.. lol..

OH if you want that stuff just get a Pontiac grand-prix?
lol.. Not that the grand prix isnt a good car but.. lol..

[SFDMALEX]

You make it sound like they dated or something.. lol..


We've been secretly dating and I asked for a Ferrari as a wedding gift and he offered me a Vette...thats were it all started :lol: :lol: :lol:

[RC45]

You make it sound like they dated or something.. lol..


We've been secretly dating and I asked for a Ferrari as a wedding gift and he offered me a Vette...thats were it all started :lol: :lol: :lol:

It was this beautiful custom convertible...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/BBaxR6/vettespinners.jpg

...the spinazzz were so you :)

[SFDMALEX]

Please tell me thats a ps or a kit car at least... :|

[Kinxy]

once and for all, NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER will I or any fucking one you choose an american corvette over a F430! Quit bitchin, this thread is about f430, keep the american piece of shit out of it

[RC45]

once and for all, NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER will I or any fucking one you choose an american corvette over a F430! Quit bitchin, this thread is about f430, keep the american piece of shit out of it

Blow it out your arse.

BTW - what do you drive? I suppose it's a new F430 :roll: - fanboy.

[RC45]

Please tell me thats a ps or a kit car at least... :|

We are not sure - I was sure the 6 tail lights are PS - but someone says some idiot in Florida actually does stuff like this to any car you bring to his shop.

Hard to believe that someone else would pay money for it.

[Global Warming]

once and for all, NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER will I or any fucking one you choose an american corvette over a F430! Quit bitchin, this thread is about f430, keep the american piece of shit out of it

You’re an idiot because I love Vettes. But you are right about one thing. I don’t know how in the world it came up in this thread. The F430 is in a completely different league. I agree that there is no comparison. The 430 is a masterpiece! The Vette is not even close, its a great car for a VERY great price but will never be a Ferrari.

[Sir_GT]

Blow it out your arse.

BTW - what do you drive? I suppose it's a new F430?

I bet you 2 quid he'll say yes.

[RC45]

Blow it out your arse.

BTW - what do you drive? I suppose it's a new F430?

I bet you 2 quid he'll say yes.

Well - if he does say so and it's true, then he just publicly proved the stereotype of F-Car owners.

Pompous fucktards with just about as little true auto enthusiast in them as is possible.

If he doesn't - then what do we care - he's just another dillusional fan boy.

[Global Warming]

Well to try to get this back on topic a little bit I thought it was funny that in the roadster comparison in Iceland they didn’t mention that the Crossfire is available in the SRT6 form with a supercharged 330 HP engine!! Jeremy chose the Crossfire as his favorite I would think they should have at least mentioned that it is available in the USA with a lot more power at price right around the cost of the TT. For better or worse they should have at least mentioned it.

Hopefully the SRT6 has better steering and handling along with all that extra power.. But probably not. I honestly I have not seen any test or reviews of the SRT6 so I don’t know. But that test seemed a bit silly because the were comparing the top 350Z, the top TT, and the Base Crossfire….

[SFDMALEX]

I honestly think they didnt even know about the SRT6.

[Global Warming]

I honestly think they didnt even know about the SRT6.

I find that hard to believe. The SRT6 is not even new... It been out for about a year I think.... Just go to Chrysler’s website and you will see it. How could a entire production staff on a car show not know about it?? It’s available in both the hard top and convertible. You would think they would have at least added in the end studio piece filmed months after that Iceland stuff.."by the way the Crossfire is now available with a 330HP supercharged V6!" But it comes at a bit of a price increase"... Or something like that...

[SFDMALEX]

I guess your right...

[maurice]

I guess your right...think feel drive 8)

[maurice]

i wish women were like cars, you drive them the way you want 8)

[Gnome]

Well to try to get this back on topic a little bit I thought it was funny that in the roadster comparison in Iceland they didn’t mention that the Crossfire is available in the SRT6 form with a supercharged 330 HP engine!! Jeremy chose the Crossfire as his favorite I would think they should have at least mentioned that it is available in the USA with a lot more power at price right around the cost of the TT. For better or worse they should have at least mentioned it.

Hopefully the SRT6 has better steering and handling along with all that extra power.. But probably not. I honestly I have not seen any test or reviews of the SRT6 so I don’t know. But that test seemed a bit silly because the were comparing the top 350Z, the top TT, and the Base Crossfire….
What if they don't sell the SRT6 in Britain? I don't know if they do. Top Gear is a British program. Even if they air it all over the world they test cars that are relevant for the British car buyers.

Another point is that US cars are cheap in the US, but quite a bit more expensive in Europe, and it's the other way around for European cars. I've heard that US import taxes on cars are pretty mean. If the SRT6 is as expensive as the TT in the US, it will be more expensive in Britain.

We are still off topic, but we're a lot closer... :)

[Global Warming]

Well to try to get this back on topic a little bit I thought it was funny that in the roadster comparison in Iceland they didn’t mention that the Crossfire is available in the SRT6 form with a supercharged 330 HP engine!! Jeremy chose the Crossfire as his favorite I would think they should have at least mentioned that it is available in the USA with a lot more power at price right around the cost of the TT. For better or worse they should have at least mentioned it.

Hopefully the SRT6 has better steering and handling along with all that extra power.. But probably not. I honestly I have not seen any test or reviews of the SRT6 so I don’t know. But that test seemed a bit silly because the were comparing the top 350Z, the top TT, and the Base Crossfire….
What if they don't sell the SRT6 in Britain? I don't know if they do. Top Gear is a British program. Even if they air it all over the world they test cars that are relevant for the British car buyers.

Another point is that US cars are cheap in the US, but quite a bit more expensive in Europe, and it's the other way around for European cars. I've heard that US import taxes on cars are pretty mean. If the SRT6 is as expensive as the TT in the US, it will be more expensive in Britain.

We are still off topic, but we're a lot closer... :)

I guess you don’t watch the show much. They review and talk about cars not for sale in the UK all the time! They have had both the Mustang and Mustang convertible, the Honda Element on their show just this season. All 3 are not for sale in the UK. So that is no reason. They should have mentioned the SRT6 regardless of if it’s for sale there yet or not.

[Global Warming]

P.S. its a moot point anyway because the Crossfire CRT6 is for sale right now in the UK! Here is the UK site and pricing info -

http://www.chrysler.co.uk/chrysler/versions.aspx?ID=311,5,113

[gottacatchup]

And also for the record the SRT6 has not had great reviews from the american press atleast.

here it placed last against the SLK 350, Boxster, and Corvette convertable

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=9157&page_number=3

[Global Warming]

And also for the record the SRT6 has not had great reviews from the american press atleast.

here it placed last against the SLK 350, Boxster, and Corvette convertable

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=9157&page_number=3

Yeah like I said it doesn’t really matter if it’s the worst car in the world. It’s just the point that they did that huge piece on the Crossfire with Jeremy surprisingly liking it. You would think if they went to that much trouble they might have at least mentioned that there was a much more powerful version available with sports tuned suspension etc.

[Sir_GT]

And also for the record the SRT6 has not had great reviews from the american press atleast.

here it placed last against the SLK 350, Boxster, and Corvette convertable

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=9157&page_number=3

Yeah like I said it doesn’t really matter if it’s the worst car in the world. It’s just the point that they did that huge piece on the Crossfire with Jeremy surprisingly liking it. You would think if they went to that much trouble they might have at least mentioned that there was a much more powerful version available with sports tuned suspension etc.

Well, the piece itself was shot way in advance, but I guess Clarkson didn't bother mentioning the SRT version because the price (£34,000+) basically made moot one of the roadster's good points - its affordability.

I mean at 34 grand, that would put it squarely in the region of the SLK and the Boxter S... a comparison the Crossfire obviously would not win. So I guess JC felt that the 30 seconds that would be needed to explain that could be put to better use. :)

34 grand... crikey... that's nearly $60k. Would you pay that for a Crossfire? Heeeeeeeeeeeeeellll naw. 8)

[Global Warming]

Well yes there is the point that the SRT6 is 10,000 pounds more than the base Crossfire roadster. But we all know it’s not fair to compare British prices to American prices. Look at the 250HP TT roadster for example. Its sticker in the USA is $43,800. In the UK its 32,300 pounds. Now if you convert that British price with today’s exchange rate that TT would be $57,305!!! That’s about $14,000 more then the TT actually costs here for the same car less the RHD!! You guys just get screwed over there and its not just cars, it’s everything.

Also as far as comparing the SRT6 to the Boxter S etc. Absolutely that comparison should be made. The Boxter cost more and has less power than the SRT6. Would I choose Crossfire over a boxter probably not but it’s a bad question for me because I don’t like either car. But the SRT6 is absolutely an appropriate car to compare against the cars in its price range just as the base was comparable to the TT and 350Z.

My only point is the other 2 cars in the test were the top models and the crossfire was the opposite. So they should have spent that 30 seconds you talked about at least saying that there was a better much more expensive crossfire that is available for those that really like its looks.

[Sir_GT]

Hmmm... point made. I could only assume that Jeremy chose to avoid mentioning it altogether because that would've taken away from the piece they presented.

And yes, the prices we pay for cars are absolutely ridiculous. For a car-loving nation, it's ironic that we're being run by such car-hating politicians. I guess that's the trade-off for being able to drive practically anything on the road. (Ariel Atom?)

Anyway... back to topic... errr... what was this thread about again?

[DeMoN]

The only thing wrong I can see in that car is the front bumper. Those round air holes dont look good. I hope that when they make the CS version of it, they put in a nicer front bumper.

[jenkF1]

Corvettes are beautiful, full of kick arse American attitude and old ones, as with all classic American cars have plenty of charecter.

However, apart from the latest vette the Americans still havv't worked out how to go round corners and how to get efficient power out of an engine.

So although Ferrari is commonly accepted as the king, accept thats because it is.

[jon_s]

However, apart from the latest vette the Americans still havv't worked out how to go round corners and how to get efficient power out of an engine.


Umm; I don't think that is quite true! The Saleen S7 is a car which by all accounts goes around a corner with the best that Europe can produce.

In terms of which car is better; I think it is pretty much a pointless exercise trying to discern the superiority. Even more so when it comes to what car you would spend you’re hard earned cash on.

Buying a car is an emotive action. The Corvette has it’s appeal; in my eyes it has an underdog quality which is traditionally desirable. Much like a TVR has. That purposeful, ruff round the edges but gets the damn job done well quality. TVR are a simple affair, we are talking bucket science compared to the like of Porsche. (As is the Corvette) The Corvette utilises (sorry: utilizes!) well proven, solid principles. If it went all hi tech like the Ferrari’s of the world then it simply would not be the car it is today.

Sure, if you look a the spec list of a Corvette (by which I mean technical; not the option list) and compare it with some exotica the Corvette will come ‘last’; but show the two the same bit of road and it will out perform your expectations, and in the right hands will out perform many a exotic.

For this reason I have a lot of respect for the Corvette and what it stands for. Would I buy one? No; I would buy a TVR…