Very sad day for Historic Race Fans...

[RC45]

This sight is terrible... so much historic metal destroyed/bent/broken..

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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http://www.pbase.com/atrltd/bric2005

I was there and the pace car wasn't going too fast. We were just coming up to the front straight from 14 so I could see it clearly as it exited for pit lane

from the people I spoke with who were there as it happend, the Jag blew it's motor just before reaching start/finish and the resuling fluid dump caused the chain reaction.

Big Cudos to the Safety Team for getting it mopped up as fast as they did. The workers really earned their keep this weekend.




http://www.roadamerica.com/2005/images/races/bric/bric_05/bric%20tweaked/images/bric-35.jpg

http://www.roadamerica.com/2005/images/races/bric/bric_05/bric%20tweaked/images/bric-32.jpg

http://www.roadamerica.com/2005/images/races/bric/bric_05/bric%20tweaked/images/bric-34.jpg

http://www.roadamerica.com/2005/images/races/bric/bric_05/bric%20tweaked/images/bric-33.jpg


http://www.roadamerica.com/2005/images/races/bric/bric_05/bric%20tweaked/index.html

[Minacious]

Wow, that hurts to see. What the hell happened?

[RC45]

I am trying to find details of the crash.

It was the 2005 Brian Redman International Challenge from this weekend at Road America.

Looks like every car fielded was smashed in some way.

[gobs3z]

It looks like an accelerator got stuck at the start of the race, and took everything in front of it out.

[ZfrkS62]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

that hurts just to look at :( i an't imagine how the owners must feel :(

[blah]

Damn Fords and Chevies always get into fights....

how the hell is the shleby going an opposite way from all the other cars???? WTF :? :shock:

[RC45]

http://www.pbase.com/atrltd/bric2005

More pictures and info...

http://misheli.image.pbase.com/v3/76/44376/1/46317473.bf071705013.jpg

[ZfrkS62]

/\ Those accounts are about as confusing as the pics. No one seemed to know what the hell was going on. Not good in a racing situation

[RC45]

Well - this seems like the most "official" version...


"I was the operating steward for this race. The pace car did what was the right thing to do. We gave them instructions for each group. The two pole guys admitted to running up the hill at 5000 rpm in 3rd gear. The fifth place guy was racing well before the green flag and tryed to force his way between the wall and the car in front of him. He started scraping the wall and the guy behind him checked up and the car that hit him started to spin and then it was one after another into them. I am amazed that no one was killed. All the drivers except two had hans devices.

The green flag was in deed thrown. I red flagged the race with in 3 seconds of the green. Even with the red flag the drivers in the back just keep driving into the rear. The red was shown at corner 15(the walk over bridge). The drivers just did not pay attention. All drivers were forced to attend a meeting right after the incident. They were all yelled at. Interesting that in a few classes they are not allowed to pass until after turn 1 (Historic Gran Prix) and turn 3 for Can Am. One historic Gran Prix driver was banned from their series for life due to an incident in the kink.

I have to agree that the drivers in this group are some of the most agressive drivers I have ever seen. More distrubing to me were how many fist fights started after drivers started getting out of there cars. I feel that if they were able to get out they should have been happy they could even move after a incident like this.

I was very happy with how all of our crews came together to work in the heat. We had a steady flow of water for all the rescue crews, ambulance crews and wrecker crews while they were working in over 90 degree heat. What a great team.

Mike Engelke"


Looks like a case of a bunch of rich poser wannabe race drivers that all let their egos and bank balances rule th day... ;)

[graywolf624]

What is the white car on the back of the tow truck. Its in the back of my mind and I know Im gonna kick myself.. but what is it.

[ZfrkS62]

Well - this seems like the most "official" version...


"I was the operating steward for this race. The pace car did what was the right thing to do. We gave them instructions for each group. The two pole guys admitted to running up the hill at 5000 rpm in 3rd gear. The fifth place guy was racing well before the green flag and tryed to force his way between the wall and the car in front of him. He started scraping the wall and the guy behind him checked up and the car that hit him started to spin and then it was one after another into them. I am amazed that no one was killed. All the drivers except two had hans devices.

The green flag was in deed thrown. I red flagged the race with in 3 seconds of the green. Even with the red flag the drivers in the back just keep driving into the rear. The red was shown at corner 15(the walk over bridge). The drivers just did not pay attention. All drivers were forced to attend a meeting right after the incident. They were all yelled at. Interesting that in a few classes they are not allowed to pass until after turn 1 (Historic Gran Prix) and turn 3 for Can Am. One historic Gran Prix driver was banned from their series for life due to an incident in the kink.

I have to agree that the drivers in this group are some of the most agressive drivers I have ever seen. More distrubing to me were how many fist fights started after drivers started getting out of there cars. I feel that if they were able to get out they should have been happy they could even move after a incident like this.

I was very happy with how all of our crews came together to work in the heat. We had a steady flow of water for all the rescue crews, ambulance crews and wrecker crews while they were working in over 90 degree heat. What a great team.

Mike Engelke"


Looks like a case of a bunch of rich poser wannabe race drivers that all let their egos and bank balances rule th day... ;)

What the hell is point of being that aggressive in a class which there is not real reason to be. Especially with cars that are irreplaceble :( These morons should be lined up and shot :x

Gray- It looks a bit like an early 60's 'Vette Roadster

[RC45]

Rich ego's are like that ;) :P -- I have seen some of the F-Car and Porker guys at Texas World Speedway - and there i no way you want to be on the track at the same time unless you have buckets of money put your car back together.

They have run extremely aggresiveley the couple times I have been to watch - way more aggressive than amateurs aught to - and these were just Track Day events.. I can only imagine the egos running at the BRIC events.

[graywolf624]

Gray- It looks a bit like an early 60's 'Vette Roadster
I might be wrong but I dont think it is. I think its something abit rarer.

[RC45]

What is the white car on the back of the tow truck. Its in the back of my mind and I know Im gonna kick myself.. but what is it.
This one?

We can only hope it's not one of the ZL1 Vettes. Hopeflly it's "only" an L88.

http://k43.pbase.com/v3/76/44376/1/46317635.bf071705037.jpg

[ZfrkS62]

hard to really tell but i'm looking at the sharp line down the side. I know there wre a couple cars that had that line, but that's the one that seems to stick out quite a bit.

Anyone got any other theories?

[RC45]

WHich car? the one in the picture above? It's is a 69 C3.

Here is the entire Group Six Grid. What a loss.


Official Grid Group 6 6A, 6B, 6C, 6D Session 3
BRAIN REDMAN INT'L CHALLENGE
ROAD AMERICA - 4.0 miles
July 15-17, 2005

OA CP Class Car Driver Hometown Car Desc. Sponsor
1 1 6A 33 Michael Donohue Norman OK 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Big Red Sports/Imports
2 2 6A 00 Dick Kantrud Brooklyn Park MN 1971 Chevrolet Camaro
3 3 6A 1 Howard Nardick Salem WI 1969 Chevrolet Corvette Krystina & Danielle Racing
4 1 6B 161 Larry Ligas Largo FL 1961 Jaguar E-Type Predator Performance Racing
5 4 6A 14 Rick Nichols Littleton CO 1967 Chevrolet Corvette
6 2 6B 7 Trent Terry Benton IL 1966 Jaguar E-Type Terry's Jaguar Parts
7 5 6A 711 Jerry Gollnick Boulder CO 1964 Chevrolet Corvette
8 6 6A 19 Ray Mulacek Warrenville IL 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Quicksilver Racing
9 7 6A 42 Richard Mooney Salt Lake City UT 1968 Corvette Roadster Collector Motorsports
10 3 6B 03 Scott Cline Hartford WI 1962 Jaguar XKE Silverstone Racing
11 4 6B 0 Jim Bradley Gaston IN 1967 Chevrolet Camaro Z-2 JMB Motorsports
12 8 6A 133 Randy Rupp Eden WI 1970 Ford Mustang RT Racing
13 5 6B 25 Karl Schiffmayer Barrington Hills IL 1964 Shelby Cobra
14 9 6A 64 Steve Forrer Mequon WI 1969 Chevrolet Corvette
15 10 6A 86 Bruce Leven Puyallup WA 1969 Chevrolet Corvette J & L Fabricating
16 11 6A 21 Bill Todd Marquette MI 1965 Chevrolet Corvette C Yard Racing
17 12 6A 60 William Cotter Puyallup wa 1969 Chevrolet Corvette J & L Fabricating
18 6 6B 87 Carl Jensen Loxahatchee FL 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
19 7 6B 61 Bob Hebert Lenox MA 1967 Jaguar XKE Donovan Motorsports Jaguar Select E
20 13 6A 3 John Ertmer Neenah WI 1970 Mustang Boss 302 Hartwig Racing
21 8 6B 99 Ed Jensen Des Moines, IA 1967 Chevy Camaro Z28 JBR
22 14 6A 6 Steve MacDonald Woodinville WA 1969 Chevrolet Camaro J & L Fabricating
23 9 6B 31 Colin Comer River Hills WI 1969 Pontiac Trans Am
24 15 6A 76 Brian Morrison Allston MA 1972 Chevrolet Corvette
25 10 6B 78 Richard Lind Noblesville IN 1969 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro Collector Motorsports 2:35.171 92.800
26 16 6A 141 John Kiland Las Vegas NV 1966 Chevrolet Corvette
27 1 6C 75 Chris Streit Naperville IL 1970 Porsche 911S Motodelta
28 17 6A 81 John Rische Sheboygan WI 1969 Chevrolet Corvette JJC Vintage Motorsports
29 18 6A 77 Bill Morrison Kenilworth IL 1965 Chevrolet Corvette BBM
30 11 6B 941 Brian Kennedy Cannon Falls MN 1966 Shelby GT-350
31 19 6A 4 Brandon Ryder Cary IL 1966 Chevrolet Corvette Blue Max Racing
32 20 6A 39 Chris Hartwig Appleton WI 1970 Mustang Boss 302 Hartwig Racing
33 12 6B 12 John Safro Nashotah WI 1965 Ford Mustang Fastbac Safro Motorcars
34 13 6B 22 Steve Plater Cedarburg WI 1966 Ford Mustang MGC Motorsports
35 14 6B 92 Patrick Hogan Littleton CO 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
36 2 6C 05 Don Sebert Kansas City MO 1974 Porsche 911 Race Central
37 15 6B 79 Steve Hughes Saukville WI 1965 Shelby GT-350
38 16 6B 26 Bill Gagliano Wauwatosa WI 1967 Chevrolet Corvette C
39 21 6A 153 Jim Halsey Los Angeles CA 1965 Shelby GT350
40 17 6B 94 Kevin Bruce Durango co 1966 Shelby GT350 Bruce Group Racing
41 18 6B 270 Jerry Loftin Manchester GA 1966 Shelby GT-350
42 19 6B 71 Michael Rankin Mundelein IL 1965 Ford Mustang Highpoint Farms Motorsports
43 22 6A 188 Alan Brown Antioch IL 1967 Ford Mustang WB Vintage Racing
44 23 6A 65 Cory Hucek New Franken WI 1968 Pontiac Firebird ARMS Motorsports/Team Tiger
45 20 6B 163 Jerry Groose New Franken WI 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Team Tiger
46 1 6D 91 Wayne Baker San Diego Ca 1969 Porsche 911
47 24 6A 28 Kevin Head Appleton WI 1970 Mustang Boss 302 Hartwig Racing
6B 62 Laurence Page Minneapolis MN 1967 Ford Mustang Sisu Motorsport
6A 43 Richard Mooney Salt Lake City UT 1965 Corvette Roadster Collector Motorsports
6B 68 John Malmquist Madison WI 1969 Chevrolet Corvette Viking Racing
6A 5 James Bartlett Minneapolis MN 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Echidna Racing LTD
6B 8 Michael Stott Ho Ho Kus NJ 1963 AC Cobra Donovan Motorsports
6A 89 Michael Bilicki Richfield WI 1965 Ford Mustang GT350
6C 44 Ralph McCracken Nashville TN 1973 Porsche 911
6A 169 Scott Graham Green Bay WI 1969 Pontiac Firebird ARMS Motorsports/Team Tiger
6A 142 Tom Blank Aspen CO 1968 Ford GT Fastback Creekside Yacht Club
6B 2 Bruce Bannatyne Santa Monica ca 1974 Ford Capri
6B 9 Sam Viviano McDonald PA 1969 Chevrolet Camaro
TIMED ELECTRONICALLY WITH THE CHRONOMIX CC737 AND AMB TRANSPONDERS - Software by RJK Systems

Bill Rudolph, Peter Klinger & Dave Kircher Posted at: 3:11 P.M. 7/16/2005

[graywolf624]

No white car in background here:
http://www.roadamerica.com/2005/images/races/bric/bric_05/bric%20tweaked/images/bric-34.jpg

I dont see the car I was thinking of in the list so I guess the early 60s vette it is.

[RC45]

Oh - that's the number 14 '67 Roadster

[ZfrkS62]

ok..i was a 3rd of a decade off :mrgreen:

[RC45]

Those cars represent the heart of Trans Am racing. It would rather sad if any of those cars are either boyond repair or some of the unique original chassis are totally destroyed.

Especially in such a pointless and stupid accident.