300C SRT-8 1/4 miles

[Schwalbe]

Video 1
http://www.need4speedpower.com/albums/album09/Scribner_April_24th.wmv

Video 2
http://www.need4speedpower.com/albums/album09/Need4Speeds_SRT8_13_36_run.wmv

[zr2man99]

Well, not that impressive for 425hp but the car is pretty damn heavy. The launches didn't seem all that good. I guess its impressive for a 4 door sedan. It got killed in the first race against that 5.0 mustang (I think). What the hell did it race in the second one? It sounded awful and went awful.

[kenneth2000]

You gotta keep in mind that the car is 4,350 lbs .... probably the fastest production NA 4 door sedan that weighs that much .... Another guy ran a 12.9 with the summer tires ....

Especially, running on 20's with all season tires ......

The mustang, was a highly modified track car ........ I can't even remember what the other car was ...

I love the car .... I've yet to go back to the track with my computer chip and exhaust ... we'll see what it does ....

[RC45]

A large rebodied Benz... as if we needed another one? ;)

[Ghostbat]

You gotta keep in mind that the car is 4,350 lbs .... probably the fastest production NA 4 door sedan that weighs that much .... Another guy ran a 12.9 with the summer tires ....


You couldn't have narrowed it down a little further :?: :roll:
How many "production NA 4 door saloons that weighs 2000kg" are there?

[kenneth2000]

Narrowed it down ??

Ok .. just leave it as a Production, Naturally Aspirated 4 Door sedan ....... forget it's sheer weight, the fact that it rolls on 20's or that is has 4 season tires .....

how many na sedans touch that ? 12's in the quarter ??

I don't know of one ...... anywhere .....

Oh, and for the mods, I'm not "trolling" members here posted a link to my website, of my car going down the track, surely it is OK to post my thought or opinion as well .....

This site seems to be a pretty cool mixture of things .... kudos ....

[Ghostbat]

how many na sedans touch that ? 12's in the quarter ??


M5 anyone? Audi RS4?

Later on I guess we can add all the "63" Merc models and the upcoming Audi RS6. Why the fixation with NA? Isn't the output/weight more interesting?


BTW: this car didn't run 12:s it ran 13:s. Basic rule for this forum is proof or STFU so "what another guy ran" is irrelevant..

[kenneth2000]

Maybe ....

But I didn't spend over $85k on the car either ......

You named 1 ..... and even it doesn't really seem all that impressive ....

Here is Car and Driver's excerpt :

2006 BMW M5
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Estimated base price: $90,000
Engine type: DOHC 40-valve V-10, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 305 cu in, 4999cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 7750 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 384 lb-ft @ 6100 rpm ----- HMMM ... A Little Short in this department .....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Transmission: 7-speed manual with
automated shifting and clutch
Wheelbase: 113.7 in
Length/width/height: 191.1/72.7/57.8 in
Curb weight: 4050 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 62 mph: 4.7 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph
Projected fuel economy (mfr's est):
European urban cycle: 10 mpg
extra-urban cycle: 23 mpg
combined: 16 mpg


The Chrysler :

ENGINE
Type: V-8, iron block and aluminum heads
Bore x stroke: 4.06 x 3.58 in, 103.0 x 90.9mm
Displacement: 370 cu in, 6059cc
Compression ratio: 10.3:1
Fuel-delivery system: port injection
Valve gear: pushrods, 2 valves per cylinder, hydraulic lifters
Power (SAE net): 425 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 420 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
Redline: 6400 rpm

C/D TEST RESULTS
ACCELERATION Seconds
Zero to 30 mph: 1.9
40 mph: 2.7
50 mph: 3.6
60 mph: 4.7 - ----- Very Similar to the all powerful M5 ????
70 mph: 5.9
80 mph: 7.4
90 mph: 9.2
100 mph: 11.2
110 mph: 13.3
120 mph: 15.9
130 mph: 20.0
140 mph: 24.7
150 mph: 30.7
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.9
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 2.7
50-70 mph: 3.0
Standing 1/4-mile: 13.2 sec @ 109 mph
Top speed (redline limited): 173 mph


Obviously, the M5 would kill the SRT8 on a track, as the SRT really wasn't meant to be king of the hill on every type of track ..... I'm not saying that ....

I don't even think there is an official magazine test of the new M5 yet ....

I'm sure it will be a very nice car just the same ....

[kenneth2000]

Jeez Murphy ..... I'm not bashing your car .. .why do you seem to be taking this personally ?

And thanks for the STFU .... Here, for your reading pleasure.... I've been on web forums plenty ....

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7511&page=1&pp=10

Here is the post of his time slip in case you want to start arguing that too ....

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6714/brentslip1300c129run3lw.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brentslip1300c129run3lw.jpg)

[RC45]

1, the CTS-V is more than a match, and 2, shouldn't the car be called "Canadian"? ;)

Oh - and please post the large images as thumbnail links.

[Ghostbat]

You named 1 ..... and even it doesn't really seem all that impressive ....


Actually the M5 and RS4 are two cars not 1.



But I didn't spend over $85k on the car either ......


Well you get what you pay for..



Obviously, the M5 would kill the SRT8 on a track, as the SRT really wasn't meant to be king of the hill on every type of track ..... I'm not saying that ....


..and in straight line acceleration..

BTW there are alot of test of the E60 M5. And who takes car & driver seriously?

[kenneth2000]

I almost bought a CTS-V, when I was impatiently waiting for the SRT-8, but for one, the pricing was almost $10,000 more ... and two, the interior is very small .... almost no rear seat, much like my 2004 Subaru STi ..... (I have a 7 year old who wouldn't fit when in her booster seat)

As for the image, it isn't even hosted here, it is a link to an image on someone else's website .... (anotherwords, I didn't upload it here or anything, so does it matter?)

I'd be curious is they throw the new C6's Z06 Engine in a CTS-v .. that would kick ass ....

[kenneth2000]

The RS4 is not NA ..... that's why I didn't even consider it .... if you include turbo'd or supercharged cars, there are a few more .....

I'm sure the SRT-8 with a turbo or supercharger would kick ass too ....

[RC45]

I almost bought a CTS-V, when I was impatiently waiting for the SRT-8, but for one, the pricing was almost $10,000 more ... and two, the interior is very small .... almost no rear seat, much like my 2004 Subaru STi ..... (I have a 7 year old whod wouldn't fit when in her booster seat)

Well - instant depreciation of US car's would and has prevented me from buying any US car new... (lease is a difefrent story).

For every $50K CTS-V, you can find a $40K or lower one to match ;) - apply the same logic to the SRT-8 and suddenly it's a $25K after 12 months. Unless of course you have to have it first and it has to be new. :P

I took my 7 year old on a CTS-V test drive and she loved it - then again she has about 20,000 co-pilot miles in a Z06 so her only complaint was how slow it was :P


As for the image, it isn't even hosted here, it is a link to an image on someone else's website .... (anotherwords, I didn't upload it here or anything, so does it matter?)

About the image, it's only in respect for people to not have to scroll left/right if it is a larger format image.

This is why normally we will save-as and then upload to http://imageshack.us and post the thumbnail.

Just for ease of browsing for others.


I'd be curious is they through the new C6's Z06 Engine in a CTS-v .. that would kick ass ....
Yep - or like a number of CTS-V onwer, just Magna-charge the sucker.. ;)

[kenneth2000]

So where's this mysterious road test of the E60 M5 that shows it beats a car half of it's price in a straight line ?

[Ghostbat]

The RS4 is not NA ..... that's why I didn't even consider it .... if you include turbo'd or supercharged cars, there are a few more .....

I'm sure the SRT-8 with a turbo or supercharger would kick ass too ....

The RS4 is very NA. You are thinking of the old one..

If you look around in JW you will find a couple of road tests of the E60 M5. I suspect you can't download the TG and 5th Gear reviews but there are plenty of articles..

To bmw06m6; actually M cars weren't the first super sedans. AMG had their 6.3 litre sedan in the seventies. And for residuals M:cars are not that great. AMG:s and Audi RS:s are better here in Sweden.

[kenneth2000]

The RS4 is not NA ..... that's why I didn't even consider it .... if you include turbo'd or supercharged cars, there are a few more .....

I'm sure the SRT-8 with a turbo or supercharger would kick ass too ....

The RS4 is very NA. You are thinking of the old one..

If you look around in JW you will find a couple of road tests of the E60 M5. I suspect you can't download the TG and 5th Gear reviews but there are plenty of articles..

To bmw06m6; actually M cars weren't the first super sedans. AMG had their 6.3 litre sedan in the seventies. And for residuals M:cars are not that great. AMG:s and Audi RS:s are better here in Sweden.

You're right, I was thinking the older one. It looks like the new one will do a 0-60 in 4.7 seconds as well .... AWD .... $55,000 start price ... and not much of a back seat, I still pick my semi-American/Canadian/German car .......

Looks like a sharp car ... regardless, the 300C SRT-8 and it's cousins, Charger SRT-8, Magnum SRT-8 and the Jeep still remain to be very impressive 4 doors, being NA, and all under $45k

If it takes a $52,000 Cadillac, a $55,000 Audi, or a $90,000 BMW to compete .. well, so be it .... I'm happy anyways .... and I'm sure Chrysler is too .....

Now, for my exhaust and computer chip .... back to the track ....

[kenneth2000]

RC45, I tried that thumbnail thing ... didn't get it to work right, so I posted the thumbnail, and then put a link to the full sized picture, sorry if I disrespected anyone ....

[kenneth2000]

I thought this was pretty cool too ... the SRT-8 made it in 6th place, over all at the 2005 One Lap of America competition .....

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/History/2005/results/OVL_CUM.HTM

Cumulative Overall Points as of - Sat May 07 15:53:52 2005
Page 1
Results sorted by position
Pos Car # Vehicle Class Points

1 1 Porsche 996 TT SSGT1 BB 9095
Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
2 2 Dodge Viper SSGT1 BB 9025
Brian Smith, John Hennessey
3 24 Chevrolet Corvette SSGT1 BB 8820
Danny Popp, Jerry Onks
4 3 Dodge Ram 1500 S U V 8630
Ronald Adee, patrick adee
5 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette SSGT1 BB 8475
Dan Corcoran, Kyle Corcoran

6 11 Chrysler 300C SRT8 Luxury Sed 8335
David Zelkowski, Erich Heuschele
7 76 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 MidPri Sed 7980
Martin Musial, Jon Krolewicz, Ray Krolewicz
8 63 Dodge SRT-4 MidPri Sed 7980
Dale Seeley, Kolin Aspergren, Jamin Cummings
9 4 Superformance Daytona Coupe SSGT1 BB 7705
Dennis Olthoff, Rick Lee
10 6 Acura NSX-R SSGT1 SB 7635
Mchael Fitzpatrick, Jon York

11 14 BMW M3 SSGT1 SB 7505
Nancy Becker, Roy Hopkins, Adrienne Hughes
12 12 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 SSGT1 BB 7410
Scott Ahlgrim, Steve Ahlgrim
13 20 Porsche 930 Vint For 7295
David Goodman, Sam Goodman
14 75 Subaru WRX STi MidPri Sed 7265
Enrique Ramirez, Richard Garcia, Neil Nash
15 26 Chevrolet Corvette SSGT1 BB 7205
Jeremy Herzberg, Eric Hulshart

[RC45]

Nice - it's a pity DC couldn't have made the car a little more nimble in stock form.

[Schwalbe]

Keep in mind, the CTS-V, SRT-8, AUDI RS4, CLS 55 etc. would not exist if it were not for the original M5, so it has the most heritage, the best resale value, and it’s the quickest, pretty stupendous for one of the greatest cars in the world.

You are completely blind by your "M5 indoctrination". Keep in mind the Audi RS4 doesn't have anything to do with your list of RWD cars. The RS4 has the quattro system which is best 4WD device in the world today. Of more, the heritage of Audi Motorsport is much more glorious than M Motorsport. Audi Motorsport began with the Auto Unions in the 1930s. Fifty years later quattro left its mark in world rallying while the 1990s saw Audi dominate the Touring and Super Touring categories of motor racing after success in circuit racing Stateside. Since 1999, Audi has concentrated its efforts in endurance sportscar racing and has now won 5 years consecutive the world famous 24 hours of LeMans. :wink:

If I had to choose a RWD sedan I would take the old Lotus Opel Omega. This car from the beginning of the 90's can literally crushed any E34 M5 and E39 M5 in term of performance. :twisted:

[astonmartinandy]

Keep in mind, the CTS-V, SRT-8, AUDI RS4, CLS 55 etc. would not exist if it were not for the original M5, so it has the most heritage, the best resale value, and it’s the quickest, pretty stupendous for one of the greatest cars in the world.

You are completely blind by your "M5 indoctrination". Keep in mind the Audi RS4 doesn't have anything to do with your list of RWD cars. The RS4 has the quattro system which is best 4WD device in the world today. Of more, the heritage of Audi Motorsport is much more glorious than M Motorsport. Audi Motorsport began with the Auto Unions in the 1930s. Fifty years later quattro left its mark in world rallying while the 1990s saw Audi dominate the Touring and Super Touring categories of motor racing after success in circuit racing Stateside. Since 1999, Audi has concentrated its efforts in endurance sportscar racing and has now won 5 years consecutive the world famous 24 hours of LeMans. :wink:

If I had to choose a RWD sedan I would take the old Lotus Opel Omega. This car from the beginning of the 90's can literally crushed any E34 M5 and E39 M5 in term of performance. :twisted:

In the UK it was branded as the [Vauxhall] Lotus Carlton - and it you're right it was an absolute animal :twisted:

Entirely subjective but I think the 300C is just a Gangsta' pimpin' "Supersize Me" tank version of an already ageing, overweight DaimlerChrlyser model. You can stick a large engine into it, but that doesn't mean it can can be compared to an M5/RS4...

[Ghostbat]

The RS4 has the quattro system which is best 4WD device in the world today.



I think a lot of Mitsubishi fanatics would beg to differ..

[RC45]

The RS4 has the quattro system which is best 4WD device in the world today.



I think a lot of Mitsubishi fanatics would beg to differ..

But they'd still be wrong.

At least Audi 4WD setup doesn't self-destruct when you look at it skew.. ;)

[kenneth2000]

Entirely subjective but I think the 300C is just a Gangsta' pimpin' "Supersize Me" tank version of an already ageing, overweight DaimlerChrlyser model. You can stick a large engine into it, but that doesn't mean it can can be compared to an M5/RS4...

You're right, that is subjective ... but, I was never comparing the three cars either .... I was just suggesting that for $41,000, the naturally aspirated SRT-8 offered nice performance & luxury & space, and that the only cars that seemed to be able to touch it, were $10,000, $20,000 & $30,000+ more expensive ....

I can tell you with a set of coilovers, and a $5,000 investment into a supercharger kit, (already available) the car would suddenly have 500 rwhp and 500 lbs of torque, and still be able to perform in the twisties ......

Obviously, you could do the same with the other cars ... but, I was just looking at overall dollars spent to get there ......mind you, I'm sure you'll need to add quite a bit more than $5k ............

If I felt like spending $90,000 on a car I might just buy an M5 ... but, I don't and honestly don't think it is worth the cash .... who knows, maybe when I just have hundreds of thousands just sitting around doing nothing ... I'll go snatch one up ....

[kenneth2000]

If I had to choose a RWD sedan I would take the old Lotus Opel Omega. This car from the beginning of the 90's can literally crushed any E34 M5 and E39 M5 in term of performance. :twisted:

That looked like an awesome car .....419 lbs of torque ... a 13.5 1/4 mile ..... really not bad for a factory car ...

http://www.need4speedpower.com/albums/album09/lotus_omega1.thumb.jpg

http://www.need4speedpower.com/albums/album09/lotus_omega2.thumb.jpg