Selling the 120D Sport... replacing it with a Grande Punto

[Sir_GT]

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The 120D Sport

Alright, collected it a few days ago actually, but I couldn't drive it because the insurance wasn't sorted until yesterday. So when I was finally given the green light, I took it out for a couple of hours...

Engine:

My ears will forever regret going for the "D" version, but my pocket and my smile won't. When they said it pulls, holy shit does it pull. Naught to 60 kicks you in the back, and glues you onto your seat. One interesting bit I notice, but am not entirely sure of, is that I heard a "hiss" similar to a forced induction engine dumping air. Whether or not this was the 120 or another car close to me, I couldn't say for sure. I'll find out today.


Ride and Handling:

As I chose the sports pack, I also ended up with the sports suspension, which is lower and stiffer. That, plus the standard run flats, don't exactly make for a magic carpet ride, but it isn't as bad as some journalists say it is. Large bumps (i.e. speed humps) will definitely bother the car. It feels as if the entire rear end of the car "drops" (instead of a wheel first, boot second on an S-class) when it goes over. Road undulations are, surprisingly, fine. Anything slightly reminiscent of the nurburgring, the car simply shrugs it off. The ride noticeably improves once you're going 30mph and over, but anything below that, and your rear end will get to know the road in 3D.

Handling? It is flawless. It feels like a bigger Mazda MX-5, with the RWD very quickly showing it's abilities. Couple that with the same engine in the E90 320d, but with less weight to tug along, and you've got a recipe for some serious city driving fun.

Summary? It's a liveable compromise.


Exterior:

Honestly, the first time I saw the car up close, both me and my father-in-law were taken aback. "What a strange shape" we both exclaimed. The longer we stayed at the dealership, the more it started growing on us. Like loveable fungus. There must be something about the flame surfacing though, because the car looks far far more cohesive in the metal, than in photographs. It looks fat, tall, and bulky in pictures, whereas it looks long, low, and sleek in the metal. I kid you not.

It's like those times when a mate of yours shows you a photo of a girl he says is really hot, but when you see her picture, you think to yourself "she's alright... not that hot though." But when you see her in the flesh, you quickly turn to your friend and say "You're right, she IS hot!"

Seriously. It really is a lot like that. Flame surfacing almost (almost) gives the car's profile a human face. Whether or not that appeals to you is entirely down to personal taste... I, however, think that it gives the car quite a bit of character.

Interior Quality and Space:

In a phrase? Slightly disappointing. You can see that you pretty much paid for the chassis, the suspension, and the engine. It's not poor in a Cadillac or Ford sense, but it isn't great either. The glove box feels cheap, and so do the other harder plastics.

Comfort-wise, the car is fine. The rear space again, isn't as bad as some journos make it out to be. Obviously, a VW Golf would have more legroom due to the FWD setup, but as far as RWD cars go, the rear legroom in the 1-series is only slightly less than the current Merc C-class.

Can you sit 5 adults in comfort? Only if they're not over 6 foot and 220lbs, like myself. 4 of me could fit in it fine. 1 of me in the driver's seat, plus 4 regular sized adults would too.

Seats? I opted for the sports seats (again, came with the package), and they are excellent. So much adjustability, combined with adjustable side support (to hold you down whilst drifting), and a fully adjustable steering wheel, will definitely give you the options to find the perfect driving position.

Rear seats? Haven't sat in them long enough to tell. I will today since the wife will be driving.


Boot space:

"Able" would be a word. Definitely enough room for the groceries, but not for IKEA. You'll have to fold the rear seats down for that (which do fold flat, I would like to add). Again, it's a liveable compromise.


Summary:

What is it like to drive? Brilliant. The clutch and gear change are unbelievably light, and the steering is well weighted and direct. My wife finds it far easier and relaxing to drive than a lot of other "hot hatches", and that says a lot, since she's quite a petite person.

We both agreed that the engine, in a word, is powerful for a hatch of this size. Although I'm alread starting to get used to it, so the plans for a Hartge-supplied engine management unit and exhaust kit (to turn 163bhp into 200+) are well on the way.

Recommended? Only if you're prepared to compromise some space, and some comfort for a wicked engine and sports car-type handling.

Understeer durch technik? Not in this baby. ;)


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[Ghostbat]

Understeer durch technik? Not in this baby.


No problems of that kind in a rwd german :)

Must say that it was a smart thing to chose the sport-seats, they are way better than the standard ones that can feel too small. I must admit that I'm not really a fan of the I-series design. Hopefully it will grow on me too. Overall I like it but from the sides I'm not really convinced. The front looks great IMO and the color of your car is very nice. Even if your ears regret it's a diesel atleast BMW diesels are one of the best soundings on the market (compared to other diesels of course). Will propably be a real torquemonster with the Hartge upgrade.

But hey does 0-100km/h in 8 or so seconds really glue you to the seat :wink: :?:

Good luck with your shiny new BMW!

[ARMAN]

Thanx for review, finally you got it! :P Color is a good choice imo but I thnk it looks in real even nicer :D

Happy and safe miles in your baby :wink:

[Sir_GT]

But hey does 0-100km/h in 8 or so seconds really glue you to the seat :wink: :?:


Surprisingly, yes actually. Of course, come the 45mph mark, you're starting to come "unglued", but you'll be surprised how quick the 45 comes up from naught.

To be perfectly honest, you can tell why it takes 8 seconds. The bulk of the acceleration hits early, then dissipates as it nears the 60mph mark. Unlike that of a petrol car, where the acceleration is pretty much constant up to the point where you've hit 80mph, and then the engine will need to work for the rest, the diesel's power really does come very early, very quickly, then dissipates just as fast.

It's perfect for city driving (overtaking, small gaps, etc.), but not if you're trying to enjoy a long blast down an empty country lane. You'll feel like the car has asthma... or is on steriods.

This, I can assume, probably means that it will be near impossible to drift. How can you balance the throtle when almost all of it comes at the beginning, and then be left with almost nothing as you press on?

I'm not being critcal about it though, just honest. It has its purpose, but that definitely isn't racing.

[bmwdakias]

''There must be something about the flame surfacing though, because the car looks far far more cohesive in the metal, than in photographs. It looks fat, tall, and bulky in pictures, whereas it looks long, low, and sleek in the metal. I kid you not.''

This unexplained phenomenon is true for many cars but it is more significant on the new era BMWs. I have seen several ones and they do look good especially with a nice 18inch set of rims, though this ofcourse will further deteriote the already harsh ride. I understand your rational choice of bying a diesel but i still have a hard time to accept that a sport hatchback can successfuly be combined with a diesel. Hope you enjoy your car.

[Sir_GT]

One thing I did forget to mention was interior build quality. Even if the materials feel cheap, the build quality is still there. The panel gaps are smaller than that of a Mercedes C-class, especially between the larger parts of the car (dashboard and door for example).

[Sir_GT]

I understand your rational choice of bying a diesel but i still have a hard time to accept that a sport hatchback can successfuly be combined with a diesel. Hope you enjoy your car.

It can't. Read the my second post. :)

[TT]

This is for the "what you drive" section dude ;)
But since the car is new, I am sure you can provide a picture with the owner manual and not a sheet of paper ;)

[Sir_GT]

This is for the "what you drive" section dude ;)
But since the car is new, I am sure you can provide a picture with the owner manual and not a sheet of paper ;)

Hold up, I'll do it right now.

[TT]

Too sweet, thanks :)

[Sir_GT]

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Here you go. :) I'm off.

[TT]

Perfect!

[gis]

Congrats on the car.arent they like 160hp? my mate got destroyed by a 120D in his 135hp punto JTD so from then on we are both afraid tio take them on.lol

you couldnt by any chance make a vid of the 0-60 could you? thats what we are both interested in seeing.just to compare to his.

[dingo]

Nice car, looks really good - good colour choice too :wink:
Do you have any interior shots?

[TransAm]

Thanks for posting the pics up, Sir_120d! You knew I was waiting to see the new car! Well congratulations!

BMWs eh? Well the Z3 3.0 I had was probably the best car I ever owned in many respects - quality, handling, etc. The Z3s were assembled here in the US and overall a well-built and screwed together car. I'm a fan of the blue and white propellor for sure.

I know exactly what you mean about the power dissipating quickly in diesels - the PSA 1.9TD they put in the ZX and 306 was very much like that, great til about 3750rpm then it all dies off very quick. Dads 120hp Laguna DCi doesnt seem as bad, doesnt run out of breath as early, but still dies all of a sudden at 4500rpm. I am sure the software upgrade will only improve on the current characteristics. When I upgraded I noticed TONS more torque at low revs and a bit of a powerband from 4.5-6k. Although mine is petrol of course.

As for the hiss you heard, I would very much think that your turbo system has a bypass valve in it somewhere and that is what you can hear. A BPV doesnt necessary vent to the atmosphere, but back into the induction system hence you can hardly hear it at all. It will become more prominent after you drop in a K&N and change the exhaust, even just a catback. Again, this is what I did to the Saab and I can now hear the whoosh as it spools up and a psst as it vents. It's not really loud or anything like a blowoff valve, and if I did an incar vid I am not even sure you'd hear it over the amibent noises that'd get recorded.

Enjoy the new car, at least its RWD! :D

[Sir_GT]

Nice car, looks really good - good colour choice too :wink:
Do you have any interior shots?

Sure thing. I'll do a few when the sun is good.

gis: I don't think I would want to do that... it would almost be like a comedy video. You could imagine something going on "oomph"-mode when you drop the clutch, then slowing down as you press on. It'll almost be like taking the mickey. :|

brembo: I really disagree with the broken bed bit. It's much better looking than that. :)

[gis]

lol well just pass me the video,id personally like to see it and come on,its faster than my fiesta ZS,lol

[Sir_GT]

^^^ I'll do one for you when I get the chance then. :)

[T-Bird]

It's an ok looking car but you really need to go back to the dealer and get larger wheels they look like fucking mini truck wheels on the car. I personally would have got a 2 door but I guess you need it for a family car. I have to say that is one of the better colors for it. You need a Turbo Diesel in there though I guess the americans got that right before the Europeans huh?

[Sir_GT]

It's an ok looking car but you really need to go back to the dealer and get larger wheels they look like fucking mini truck wheels on the car. I personally would have got a 2 door but I guess you need it for a family car. I have to say that is one of the better colors for it. You need a Turbo Diesel in there though I guess the americans got that right before the Europeans huh?

Believe me, if there actually was a two-door version, that would've been the one I would've chose. Alas, that's not the case.

I agree about the wheels though. Annoyingly enough, there wasn't a ready option to upgrade to 18's, just 17's, which isn't much of a difference at all.

Also, unless Hartge supply a turbocharger upgrade, I doubt if I'll fit one in. Hartge's modifications don't void the BMW warranty, which is excellent, and which is why I'm going to them when I finally get the ECU and exhaust done.

[Sir_GT]

I've actually made a list of mods to the car...

18" rims
Hartge ECU upgrade
Hartge exhaust upgrade
Kermit doll

[gis]

i can imagine its gonna fly with an ECU upgrade.the one my friend encountered.he thinks it had some mods to it.it was unreal how quick it just left him,lol

when do you plan to get these mods?

[TransAm]

Kermit doll?

Muppet!

j/k

[Sir_GT]

i can imagine its gonna fly with an ECU upgrade.the one my friend encountered.he thinks it had some mods to it.it was unreal how quick it just left him,lol

when do you plan to get these mods?

A while still. Probably after I turn 25 (a few months from now), so that my insurance premium drops.


If your friend encountered a 120d, then he shouldn't be surprised. I'm not being biased because I've got one... the little fucker really does go like the clappers. The gearing is so low and the torque band so weird that almost all the power is there in first and second. Third is just an extra push, and 4th, 5th, and 6th are just for motorways.

Also, I can now confirm that the weird whistling "forced induction"-type noise I heard on the first day actually is from the 120d. It's strangely addicting to hear as well... sounds just like a turbocharger about to dump air, except this one never does, and just builds up into a high-pitched roar.


Brilliant.

[Sir_GT]

The high pitch we have also with the clio, but after passing 4k rpm. It's not that loud, but loud enough to know when to shift :p

A diesels powerband is between 2000 & 4000 rpm, sometimes a little lower or higher. Depends from car to car.

I encounter the exact same problem under acceleration, until 60km/h it's fast but then it all slows down a bit.

What kind of diesel engine does the Clio have? I'm just curious, because I heard another diesel bimmer (X5) blasting past me today, and I heard that sound again. As with you, it disappears when the revs top over, but it still is an interesting sound to hear over and over.

[bmwmpower]

nice car, but why u dont buy 320 D ? is much better car that 1 series, IMO,

[Sir_GT]

nice car, but why u dont buy 320 D ? is much better car that 1 series, IMO,

Several reasons:

a) The new 3-series is too big for the wife (she's petite, and only likes small cars)
b) The spec is less than what we would get in the 120D
c) If we did get the same spec, it would be beyond our original budget
d) Same engine as with the 120D, which means the 120D is quicker, and more economical
e) and of course... I will get a new model 3... but I'm looking at the 2007 M3, so the wife will keep the 120D to herself. ;)

[bmwmpower]

well, im talking about that, i had experience with 1 series maybe 10 months ago,
in one day i drove E46 all models, and 1 series 120 D, and mine opinion is E46 looks better, is better to drive and more practical,new E90 is even better,
still think 1 series is good car, but not that good like E46

[Sir_GT]

Well, as great as the E46 was, I still wouldn't want to invest all that money into an outgoing model. Simply because I would lose considerably on the depreciation, especially since there are (literally and officially) more E46 3-series cars on the road in the UK than there are Ford Mondeo's.

I agree that the E90 is a great choice, but I did have my reasons for not yet getting one.

[bmwmpower]

Well, as great as the E46 was, I still wouldn't want to invest all that money into an outgoing model. Simply because I would lose considerably on the depreciation, especially since there are (literally and officially) more E46 3-series cars on the road in the UK than there are Ford Mondeo's.

I agree that the E90 is a great choice, but I did have my reasons for not yet getting one.

yes, i know that outgoing model is bad investment, but i was telling u mine opinion, well i agree with u

[undien717]

Great compact car-

If the hissing sound you're hearing is heard while your on the throttle, it's probably the turbine spooling. If it's during throttle lift, it might be air being leaked through a wastgate or something.

[gucom]

ur right about its looks, with hte first pics i thought that it didnt look good at all, but it looks erm...purposeful i htink is the correct word? if you see it on the road, it has a nice presence and looks sporty enough. its 1 of my favourite BMW's although that doesnt say much :wink:

[Sir_GT]

I'm surprised this thread was brought back from the dead. :|

Updates? Ummm... Somebody completely knocked off my wing mirror, and I know it wasn't a car because the car was parked, and it was on the side facing the pavement. I'm assuming it's some blind idiot environmentalist on a bicycle. £250 to get it repaired. Bastard didn't even leave a note.

Any complaints about the car? Mmmm... let's just say I'm not too sure I'm still interested in that '07 M3. There are far too many similarities between the E90 and the 1-series (aside from the fact that they apparently share the same chassis),and to be perfectly honest, those similarities are things I wish I didn't need to live with.

I still love the car, don't get me wrong, but one of the reasons I warmed to it was because I was expecting a naughty rear-wheel drive car. Typically, Torque + RWD = great fun... but with the 1-series... the chassis actually swallows the power so well, it does get a bit dull. Maybe I need more power, but that's not the point.

I guess the only way to explain it is to compare it with a Mini Cooper S Works. The Works car is a bag of on-the-edge hooliganism. It's wicked fun. The 1-series is so pin point, so precise, it feels like a perfect weapon... it will do what you ask of it, no sweat...

...which in a way, makes it a bit dull (IMO). There's no drama, no learning curve. No "getting to know you" sensation. I really fancy the Z4 Coupe over the upcoming M3 now... but if both of those cars don't provide me with any "drama" (the good kind), I might just look elsewhere...

...and that B7 RS4 is really tempting. ;)

[Sir_GT]

I read somewhere that the 1-Series, far from offer oversteer... it was quite understeer in fact - which is quite dissapointing considering it's a bimmer :? I guess that even the Golf GTI offer more fun that this :D

Hmmm... IMO, understeer would be more so if the engine was any weaker than the one I've got. I think because of the diesel's torque, it's really quite neutral. WHICH, I hasten to add, I find quite dull.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Golf GTi was more fun in a Works Cooper sense, but I still wouldn't trade any bimmer for a VW simply because VW's UK dealership ("*ahem* service please anyone?") network is rubbish.

[Sir_GT]

Yep. Just like the title says. My partner's been trying to build up a business, and this was the only way to get capital without borrowing money and having to pay for interest rates.

So... it'll be Fiat Grande Punto then. 1.4 Dynamique. She hasn't decided if she prefers red or black, but I fancy the black one just so we can have the orange interior.

I'll create another thread when the Fiat arrives. :)

[No.1]

Obviously a step down in the car world, but hopefully a huge step up in the business world

I wish you every success, and surely the sacrifice is worth it in the long run (who knows what you will be able to afford in 12 months time?)

The Grande Punto is a nice car in its own right - better built than Fiats of yore, and a Maserati mimicing front end - it would look great with it's nose just poking out of your garage 8)

[RC45]

"Partner".. :shock: Business partner... or same-sex life partner... :shock:

Not that there's anything wrong with that life choice, but it's just noce to know whom one can bend down in front of to pick up the soap... :oops: ;)

[No.1]

"Partner".. :shock: Business partner... or same-sex life partner... :shock:

Not that there's anything wrong with that life choice, but it's just noce to know whom one can bend down in front of to pick up the soap... :oops: ;)

I think this has to be the dumbest post you've made :|

But, for the sake of clarity, methinks Sir-GT has a wife :wink:

[SFDMALEX]

"Partner".. :shock: Business partner... or same-sex life partner... :shock:

Not that there's anything wrong with that life choice, but it's just noce to know whom one can bend down in front of to pick up the soap... :oops: ;)

Im pretty sure he talked about banging Filipino whoores in the other thread ;)

[RC45]

"Partner".. :shock: Business partner... or same-sex life partner... :shock:

Not that there's anything wrong with that life choice, but it's just noce to know whom one can bend down in front of to pick up the soap... :oops: ;)

Im pretty sure he talked about banging Filipino whoores in the other thread ;)

Well you never know - spmetimes people con-cocked elaborate stories around their lives online... :P and a homo playing a straight post-whore on a car website is not that far fethced ;)

"Partner".. :shock: Business partner... or same-sex life partner... :shock:

Not that there's anything wrong with that life choice, but it's just noce to know whom one can bend down in front of to pick up the soap... :oops: ;)

I think this has to be the dumbest post you've made :|

But, for the sake of clarity, methinks Sir-GT has a wife :wink:

Jesus - who pissed in your breakfast porridge... ?

It was a joke,,, with an indirect reference to the Seinfeld "Not that there's anything wrong with that" episode...

Unless you are a closet arse-rammer that was offended by my post... not that there's anything wrong with being an arse-rammer mind you.. :roll:

[No.1]

"Partner".. :shock: Business partner... or same-sex life partner... :shock:

Not that there's anything wrong with that life choice, but it's just noce to know whom one can bend down in front of to pick up the soap... :oops: ;)

I think this has to be the dumbest post you've made :|

But, for the sake of clarity, methinks Sir-GT has a wife :wink:

Jesus - who pissed in your breakfast porridge... ?

It was a joke,,, with an indirect reference to the Seinfeld "Not that there's anything wrong with that" episode...

Unless you are a closet arse-rammer that was offended by my post... nit that there's anything wrong with being an arse-rammer mond you.. :roll:

:bah:

I didn't see the joke, but i thought Sir-GT would have been a bit offended at that....

Mind you, the aristocracy are a load of old bummers so perhaps.... i'll leave it here :P

[RC45]

:bah:

I didn't see the joke, but i thought Sir-GT would have been a bit offended at that....

Mind you, the aristocracy are a load of old bummers so perhaps.... i'll leave it here :P

Well, if he had been offended then that would be a shame hey.. :)

I think the problem is people are far too uptight, so when you see an out of place post like that, insetad of chuckling and being amused, they are quick to get offended and pissed.. on other peoples behakf ;)

Anywhoooo... back to the topic, selling a car to do something worth while with the money is a noble gesture in and of itself hay.

[TransAm]

Whoa there chaps!

<Harry Enfield Scouser mode>

Eh eh eh, calm down, calm down :!:

</Harry Enfield Scouser mode>

There are more important things to worry about in life, such as whether or not the word Scouser is a proper noun and deserves a capital 'S'. :fadein: :mrgreen:

Anyways, no doubt Sir GT will think of a suitable retort if needs be... :wink:

Good luck with your business venture, Sir GT, I hope it works out for you both. Any hint for us as to what line of business you are going into?

[Sir_GT]

It's hard to be offended by homosexual jokes when you know you're straight... :|

It's sort of like an ugly woman screaming "you dyke!" to Anna Kournikova... ;) You know you know better... ;)


Besides, I just remembered that they don't say "my partner" in America unless you're gay. So I can see why RC45 made that remark.

Anyhoo, back to topic... my wife wants to go into fashion... wants to do an online store for bags, jewelleries, and the like. So she'll need the capital to set everything up, purchase stocks, deal with advertising, etc. and borrowing £10k from the banks in the UK nowadays will seriously set you back quite a bit, especially with their new and improved rip-off rates.

[RC45]

Best of luck - to you, your wife and your partner (in business.. ;) :P) hehe.

Sounds like a well thought out plan - you guys should do well.

[Sir_GT]

Best of luck - to you, your wife and your partner (in business.. ;) :P) hehe.

Sounds like a well thought out plan - you guys should do well.

Cheers RC45. Hopefully she gets rich so I can divorce her and take half. :lol:

[dutchmasterflex]

^ haha.

Isn't that always the plan..?

Good luck and big the 1er a proper farewell..

[TransAm]

Anyhoo, back to topic... my wife wants to go into fashion... wants to do an online store for bags, jewelleries, and the like. So she'll need the capital to set everything up, purchase stocks, deal with advertising, etc. and borrowing £10k from the banks in the UK nowadays will seriously set you back quite a bit, especially with their new and improved rip-off rates.

I know someone here in Dallas (textiles designer background) who designs a range of purses and handbags, the one thing she seems to be lacking is a way of marketing her product.

I could put you in touch if you like?

[Sir_GT]

Anyhoo, back to topic... my wife wants to go into fashion... wants to do an online store for bags, jewelleries, and the like. So she'll need the capital to set everything up, purchase stocks, deal with advertising, etc. and borrowing £10k from the banks in the UK nowadays will seriously set you back quite a bit, especially with their new and improved rip-off rates.

I know someone here in Dallas (textiles designer background) who designs a range of purses and handbags, the one thing she seems to be lacking is a way of marketing her product.

I could put you in touch if you like?

I'll have to get back to you on that, but I do appreciate the offer. Let's just sa that my divorce joke wasn't just half-meant.

[RC45]

I'll have to get back to you on that, but I do appreciate the offer. Let's just sa that my divorce joke wasn't just half-meant.

Hmmm.. sounds like you may need a post-nup to counter any pre-nup you have ... ;) :P

[taygunho]

It is good to hear that yours and wife bussines will grow up. 1.20D is one the best compact car ever.Grande punto is the best Fiat product ever. Actually I will have my driving licence soon and I want a Grande Punto as a fisrt car. Good luck.

[TransAm]

I'll have to get back to you on that, but I do appreciate the offer. Let's just sa that my divorce joke wasn't just half-meant.

Sorry to hear that, buddy. It's not all plain sailing this being married business :wink:

[TransAm]

It is good to hear that yours and wife bussines will grow up. 1.20D is one the best compact car ever.Grande punto is the best Fiat product ever. Actually I will have my driving licence soon and I want a Grande Punto as a fisrt car. Good luck.


If I lived in Turkey I'd buy a Fiat 131 (the TOFAS version)

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I saw some quite cool modded ones in Bodrum :good:

Sorry for the threadjack! :wink:

[taygunho]

^^^ Actually if I found a 131 miriafiori in good condition I would buy it but not 131. Interesting thing is it is really hard to find clean 131's nowadays.

[bmwmpower]

im interested in this, punto is nice, and italian cars got always spirit, this will be mine choice too, or new clio,