What is this crazy cool thing from sony?

[Toronto]

http://gprime.net/video.php/sonyrevolution
anyone one know?
look cool, is it for real?

[CMonakar]

wow

[RC45]

Looks like the ultimate edition of a true windowed managed system!!!

[ZfrkS62]

:shock: Where can i get myself one of those?! :shock:

[Aleighy]

does anyone know exactly what it is? it just looks like a space-consuming confusing contraption. no thank you.

[RC45]

It is quite clever. Each tile is appears to be the software and processor and display in one.

The fact that you don't click an icon or launch a command line instruction, but rather put the program on the substrate.

Note how selecting your purchase simply involved dragging th song from the music tile to the shoppig tile - and sending your purchase simply required you touch your cell phone to the shopping mofule - and to play the animation attach it to the time machine module, which also played the weather radar time lapse.

Pretty interesting concept.

[Aleighy]

It is quite clever. Each tile is appears to be the software and processor and display in one.

The fact that you don't click an icon or launch a command line instruction, but rather put the program on the substrate.

Note how selecting your purchase simply involved dragging th song from the music tile to the shoppig tile - and sending your purchase simply required you touch your cell phone to the shopping mofule - and to play the animation attach it to the time machine module, which also played the weather radar time lapse.

Pretty interesting concept.

oh i am soooo lost :?

[Toronto]

this reminds me of the movie minority report, no?

[gigdy]

this reminds me of the movie minority report, no?

kind of but there is a machine that is much closer to minority report, created by the guy who helped out with the movie.

[Chaos in 1983!]

wow, that thing is awesome!...it looks quite comlicated thouhg...if each tile is a program of sort...where the hell would I store so many of them...it would be way too confusing...

[RC45]

wow, that thing is awesome!...it looks quite comlicated thouhg...if each tile is a program of sort...where the hell would I store so many of them...it would be way too confusing...

I would imagine that eventually you would have a single tile that would take on whatever role you needed at that moment.

[Fleischmann]

Wow..thatlooks cool. The project seems to be very practical as almost everything can be done using the invention as we saw on the video. And navigating between the options should be easy, after all all you do is you do is use a pen and clip on the appropriate function tiles. Me likes :D

[sheruken]

Well I think its in its very early stage as yet.. Its totally eye opening, but doesnt make much sence as of now, but we know exactly where it is headed :D
Nice find! Mr. Universe!! :P

[gogglibear]

this reminds me of the movie minority report, no?

kind of but there is a machine that is much closer to minority report, created by the guy who helped out with the movie.

I saw one they are fine tuneing it to work with hand gestures I have no idea what its called or I would show you it.

[Overmind]

well, it does look cool, but how is it better than an ordinary touch screen display? And having so many specialized panels?

[FoxFour]

Tools like this may be sort of gimmicky now, but may have useful applications in the near future when the technology is fully de-bugged. With advances in miniature hard-drive technology, this could very well be the next gen laptop.

[RC45]

well, it does look cool, but how is it better than an ordinary touch screen display? And having so many specialized panels?

Imagine a doctor at your bedside - he would be constrained by the applications that the system with the touch screen attached had available.

This could be a Citrix based solution with all the medical apps the hospital has, available at his finger tips --- but only the appls preinstalled, configured and deployed over a long period of time involving very expensive complex projects.

Far from ideal.

Now imagine the same doctor with a "tile pc".

The final version might involve the doctor taking out his"tile" - and placing it on your chart, uploading the info, inlcuding XRays.

He takes his pen pages through, zooms and edits a portion of the image, places his cell phone on it, to send it to his collegue for a second opinion and prescribes a medication.

He allows you to order the medication from your pharmacy by letting you drag the prescription from his "tile" to yours.

:)

You place your insurance card ontop and prepay the medication order, which you then send with your cell phone.

This stuff is great!!!

[Yablokov]

wow that looks cool. but it lacks in practicality.

[Toronto]

^^^ if you think that storing all those tiles is not practical,
then I guess you think books are bad too :roll:

[RC45]

^^^ I should imagine the final product would be the super-smart-card. :)

[DeMoN]

Awesome machine, but imagine paying $$$$ for it and later dropping one of those "modules" lol then your whole machine is fukd up!

[Global Warming]

^^^ if you think that storing all those tiles is not practical,
then I guess you think books are bad too :roll:

Well e-books or reading books on a PDA is SOOO much nicer than real books. You can have dozens on one little device, you never have to turn pages, etc. I have read several books on my iPAQ. The problem is an iPAQ is several hundred dollars and a paper back book is just a few dollars. If PDA devices were as cheap as books you would never see another book again.

[Overmind]

RC45: I might be wrong, but I think this is just a visualisation/interface system. I also doubt that each of those panels carries a CPU... I think those are just little cool looking thouch screen displays which are then plugged on a PC controlled panel.

Also in your doctor example I think you are mixing the interface with the cumbersome and heavy hospital IS app :). Or do you think switching to the cool panels will get rid of it?

I also suggest you consider how proprietary Sony's systems usualy are :).

[RC45]

RC45: I might be wrong, but I think this is just a visualisation/interface system. I also doubt that each of those panels carries a CPU... I think those are just little cool looking thouch screen displays which are then plugged on a PC controlled panel.

I doubt that is the ultimate goal - as the particular item displayed on the tile appears to be tied to the tile itself.

The idea of having individual pprocess capable devices is not so far fetched.


Also in your doctor example I think you are mixing the interface with the cumbersome and heavy hospital IS app :).

Not at all- having worked with a number of such systems - I am stating that having such a simple interface to access the systems and bring continuity to such solutions will make them more functional than they are today.


Or do you think switching to the cool panels will get rid of it?
Not at all- this would be the simplification of the interface to already existing solutions - just imagine the new ones it makes possible :)


I also suggest you consider how proprietary Sony's systems usualy are :).

Doesn't matter how proprietary their systems are - they have broken new ground in so man fields that later became daily accepted use items.

You would not have an iPod today had Mr "Sony" not asked to have his engineers think of a way to let him take his music with him - giving the world the Walkman.

:)

[Global Warming]

I thought it was VERY cool. But don’t really see the advantage. We have been able to open a weather window, stock window, email window, etc and drag info between them for 10 years. And on all OSs, PC, Mac, Linux, etc.

What is the advantage of taking the virtual windows off of a virtual desktop and making them physical windows on a physical desktop? I don’t really see the application for it….

[RC45]

I thought it was VERY cool. But don’t really see the advantage. We have been able to open a weather window, stock window, email window, etc and drag info between them for 10 years. And on all OSs, PC, Mac, Linux, etc.

What is the advantage of taking the virtual windows off of a virtual desktop and making them physical windows on a physical desktop? I don’t really see the application for it….

You are being far too literal and lack creativity and vision. :)

You also totally miss what I have said.

*whoooooosh*

What I had qualified was that in the displayed form it is not practical and is nothing more than a "glass" version of "windowed"apps.

This I identified and qualified a number of times.

What I then went on the discuss was that if the funtionality could be implanted into a SINGLE component that was not dependant on the substrate it was plugged into - then the vision of the above story is good and desirable.

Take "the tile" and place it on the patient chart - uploading the data.

Edit manipulate and perhaps send the data by placing the cell phone on "the tile".

Pay for the medicine by placing card on "the tile".

I guess reading all those ebooks you forgot to concentrate on comprehension.

[Global Warming]

I thought it was VERY cool. But don’t really see the advantage. We have been able to open a weather window, stock window, email window, etc and drag info between them for 10 years. And on all OSs, PC, Mac, Linux, etc.

What is the advantage of taking the virtual windows off of a virtual desktop and making them physical windows on a physical desktop? I don’t really see the application for it….

You totally miss what I have said.

*whoooooosh*

What I had qualified was that in the displayed form it is not practical and is nothing more than a "glass" version of "windowed"apps.

This I identified and qualified a number of times.

What I then went on the discuss was that if the funtionality could be implanted into a SINGLE component that was not dependant on the substrate it was plugged into - then the vision of the above story is good and desirable.

Take "the tile" and place it on the patient chart - uploading the data.

Edit manipulate and perhaps send the data by placing the cell phone on "the tile".

Pay for the medicine by placing card on "the tile".

I guess reading all those ebooks you forgot to concentrate on comprehension.

If it’s that high tech why would you need to place your cell phone on it? It should be able to send it wirelessly by itself. I mean what if you forgot your phone or it was out of power, you mean to tell me these high tech tiles wouldn’t have there own wireless capability? It has to have WAN (or “Bluetooth”) to even work like it’s shown.

And why would you need to place the tile on the patients chart??? The cart is already on the network and the tile has full access to the network.... Why can’t the doctor just open the chart on the tile without putting it on anything? And pay? We can already do that at the pump and toll booths wirelessly and we don’t have to place anything on anything...

[RC45]

I thought it was VERY cool. But don’t really see the advantage. We have been able to open a weather window, stock window, email window, etc and drag info between them for 10 years. And on all OSs, PC, Mac, Linux, etc.

What is the advantage of taking the virtual windows off of a virtual desktop and making them physical windows on a physical desktop? I don’t really see the application for it….

You totally miss what I have said.

*whoooooosh*

What I had qualified was that in the displayed form it is not practical and is nothing more than a "glass" version of "windowed"apps.

This I identified and qualified a number of times.

What I then went on the discuss was that if the funtionality could be implanted into a SINGLE component that was not dependant on the substrate it was plugged into - then the vision of the above story is good and desirable.

Take "the tile" and place it on the patient chart - uploading the data.

Edit manipulate and perhaps send the data by placing the cell phone on "the tile".

Pay for the medicine by placing card on "the tile".

I guess reading all those ebooks you forgot to concentrate on comprehension.

If it’s that high tech why would you need to place your cell phone on it? It should be able to send it wirelessly by itself. I mean what if you forgot your phone or it was out of power, you mean to tell me these high tech tiles wouldn’t have there own wireless capability? It has to have WAN (or “Bluetooth”) to even work like it’s shown.

And why would you need to place the tile on the patients chart??? The cart is already on the network and the tile has full access to the network.... Why can’t the doctor just open her chart on the tile without putting it on anything? And pay? We can already do that at the pump and toll booths wirelessly and we don’t have to place anything on anything...

Besides the fact that many wards of the hospital cannot be bombarded with masses of radio waves - who said the chart, even if electronic ,was connected or even on the same network as the cell phone and or "tile".

Your pay for gas and toll through the air examples are very specific closed systems that share little with other devices.

The smartcard credit cards demoed that allow pay-swiping simply up and download account information and don't logically process anything.

BTW - does one of your ebooks have a dictionary? Look up warranty.

[Global Warming]

I thought it was VERY cool. But don’t really see the advantage. We have been able to open a weather window, stock window, email window, etc and drag info between them for 10 years. And on all OSs, PC, Mac, Linux, etc.

What is the advantage of taking the virtual windows off of a virtual desktop and making them physical windows on a physical desktop? I don’t really see the application for it….

You totally miss what I have said.

*whoooooosh*

What I had qualified was that in the displayed form it is not practical and is nothing more than a "glass" version of "windowed"apps.

This I identified and qualified a number of times.

What I then went on the discuss was that if the funtionality could be implanted into a SINGLE component that was not dependant on the substrate it was plugged into - then the vision of the above story is good and desirable.

Take "the tile" and place it on the patient chart - uploading the data.

Edit manipulate and perhaps send the data by placing the cell phone on "the tile".

Pay for the medicine by placing card on "the tile".

I guess reading all those ebooks you forgot to concentrate on comprehension.

If it’s that high tech why would you need to place your cell phone on it? It should be able to send it wirelessly by itself. I mean what if you forgot your phone or it was out of power, you mean to tell me these high tech tiles wouldn’t have there own wireless capability? It has to have WAN (or “Bluetooth”) to even work like it’s shown.

And why would you need to place the tile on the patients chart??? The cart is already on the network and the tile has full access to the network.... Why can’t the doctor just open her chart on the tile without putting it on anything? And pay? We can already do that at the pump and toll booths wirelessly and we don’t have to place anything on anything...

Besides the fact that many wards of the hospital cannot be bombarded with masses of radio waves - who said the chart, even if electronic ,was connected or even on the same network as the cell phone and or "tile".

Your pay for gas and toll through the air examples are very specific closed systems that share little with other devices.

The smartcard credit cards demoed that allow pay-swiping simply up and download account information and don't logically process anything.

BTW - does one of your ebooks have a dictionary? Look up warranty.

Well I hate to disappoint you but this technology will be using some kind of wireless radio waves no mater how it’s used so it would create “masses of radio waves” all over the hospital anyway. As far as the toll booths, which are on a closed system… Have you heard of a credit/debit card? How is sliding it in and out of a slot to pay for your gas or whatever more difficult than putting a tile ageist the booth/pump? Is the very same thing. Both are just going to send and verify your account #.

As for the tile and your cell phone not being on the same network I would hope not. The tile should have secure wireless/bluetooth access to what ever networks it need, with or without being placed on anything. That should be totally independent. Using your cell phone to send the info would just be a waist of money and an unnecessary security risk. I could point my iPaq I bought in 1999 at my 1999 Nokia phones's IR port and get internet acces way back then. This is hardly new.

The logic just doesn’t work out on this… I mean we already have everything this represents.. they are called wireless PDAs.

As for sharing info between two tiles with no network access or WAN access available. That also has been a part of PDA for 8 years or so. You could send data between Palm Pilots via IR way back on the first one.

[RC45]

^^ you are aware that the point of contact in smart card transactions is to limit the transmission to a small distance so people can't "scan" you CC info from your pocket.

So - in order to use a non-magnetic strip smartcard you have to maintain close proximity until the data is read/transfered.

IR type coms is the same - you need to maintain line of site comms until the tranfer is complete.

Wireless would require "in range" comms be maintained until the transfer is complete.

Seems the task of placing one device against the other is the simplest and easiest way to expedite this maintained connection.

Oh - and antoher thing - wireless PDA's have been out for an aweful long time, and are still the toys of a few - they didn't exactly conquer the world as they were supposed to - they are still too wieldy, clumsy and offer nothing more or better than any other existing technology.. :P

I mean if they can do the job of the laptop and cell phon e- why haven't they displaced them.

[Global Warming]

So you admit that all this flashy technology in the video really only represents is an improved form of communication between devices? I can agree with that. So just take whatever improved means of communication is in those tiles and put it into PDA’s

But having a little tile that you have to carry, store, cant resize, wont stay on a vertical screen without some sort of holder, all just to tell you the weather?!?? Well that is just funny… “Damnt I left my weather tile at work again, oh well I can still get it on my PDA, cell phone, pager, laptop with wireless, desktop computer, TV, radio, etc… But damn that weather tile is still REALLY useful”!!

[RC45]

You are trying to turn this into a pissing contest - for what reason I can't fathom - and I don't feel like allowing you to misrepresent the message I posted.

If you bothered to READ what I had typed I qualified that IF IT WAS PROFUCKINGDUCED AS A STANDAFUCKINGLONE COMPONENT - THAT DID NOT RELY ON THE SUBSTRATE AS DISPLAYED - AND IT WAS NOT SINGLE FUNCTION CONSTRAINED then it COULD POSSIBLY BE USED AS PORTRAYED.

:roll:

[Global Warming]

You are trying to turn this into a pissing contest - for what reason I can't fathom - and I don't feel like allowing you to misrepresent the message I posted.

If you bothered to READ what I had typed I qualified that IF IT WAS PROFUCKINGDUCED AS A STANDAFUCKINGLONE COMPONENT - THAT DID NOT RELY ON THE SUBSTRATE AS DISPLAYED - AND IT WAS NOT SINGLE FUNCTION CONSTRAINED then it COULD POSSIBLY BE USED AS PORTRAYED.

:roll:

Haha I have no idea what you just said...! So I guess that means I was wrong... You got me. Sorry to upset you.

[sads]

All I know is one thing that is so fucking cool :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

[RC45]

You are trying to turn this into a pissing contest - for what reason I can't fathom - and I don't feel like allowing you to misrepresent the message I posted.

If you bothered to READ what I had typed I qualified that IF IT WAS PROFUCKINGDUCED AS A STANDAFUCKINGLONE COMPONENT - THAT DID NOT RELY ON THE SUBSTRATE AS DISPLAYED - AND IT WAS NOT SINGLE FUNCTION CONSTRAINED then it COULD POSSIBLY BE USED AS PORTRAYED.

:roll:

Haha I have no idea what you just said...! So I guess that means I was wrong... You got me. Sorry to upset you.

There in lines the entire God damned problem - you can't understand written English.. :roll:

[pharzo]

Another benefit that seems to come from this "modularity" is the different interactions the tiles can have with each other. You can't connect an ipod to a phone, and get some new music on it. But with this, several different interactions were shown between the tiles.


This system was shown in 2001, and was made by the Sony Computer Science Labs

http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/rekimoto/datatile/

[Global Warming]

" You can't connect an ipod to a phone" But you can a PDA and have been able to for years. PDAs have been around playing MP3s for 5 or 6 years before the iPod was even introduced.

Nothing new.

[pharzo]

Yes they have, but with capacities of 128 mb. Now let's compare that with the 20 gb's of my 2 year old ipod. The idea is that you create modules with specific functions, not objects that do it everything poorly. Like a camera/cellphone/mp3. It may be able to do all those things, but it's not as good as a real camera, and it's not as good as a real mp3 player

[RC45]

" You can't connect an ipod to a phone" But you can a PDA and have been able to for years. PDAs have been around playing MP3s for 5 or 6 years before the iPod was even introduced.

Nothing new.

Neither is this demo apparently - since it dates from 2001.

Either way - iPods, PDA's and cell phones have not become interchangeble evices that EVERYONE uses as simply as a toaster.

Each is still isolated and not simply interconnected.

You are just sour because when you came pissing on our parade we didn't just take it lying down.

[Global Warming]

" You can't connect an ipod to a phone" But you can a PDA and have been able to for years. PDAs have been around playing MP3s for 5 or 6 years before the iPod was even introduced.

Nothing new.

Neither is this demo apparently - since it dates from 2001.

Either way - iPods, PDA's and cell phones have not become interchangeble evices that EVERYONE uses as simply as a toaster.

Each is still isolated and not simply interconnected.

You are just sour because when you came pissing on our parade we didn't just take it lying down.

No, actually many mobile phones are combination PDAs now. You can open your browser on the phone, surf then net, download an MP3 and play it and listen to it with your headphones. Sure they are still $3-400 for these devices but that will come down like everything. So actually you are wrong. They are all interconnected in an array of devices made by many different companies.

Pissing match? You sure like to say that a lot. I guess that is what you are in. I am simply pointing out that we have devices and services available today to do everything this represents and are most certainly all interconnected. There is nothing new or meaningful in that video except the fact that they took a virtual window on a virtual desktop and made them both physical. And that has no use. It was basically a cool looking science project and nothing more.

[RC45]

" You can't connect an ipod to a phone" But you can a PDA and have been able to for years. PDAs have been around playing MP3s for 5 or 6 years before the iPod was even introduced.

Nothing new.

Neither is this demo apparently - since it dates from 2001.

Either way - iPods, PDA's and cell phones have not become interchangeble evices that EVERYONE uses as simply as a toaster.

Each is still isolated and not simply interconnected.

You are just sour because when you came pissing on our parade we didn't just take it lying down.

No, actually many mobile phones are combination PDAs now.

No fucking shit sherlock - do you some how think you are the only person that is up to date on the latests and greatest teachnology?

Everyone and the uncle knows this - so you are not sharing any new news with anyone.


You can open your browser on the phone, surf then net, download an MP3 and play it and listen to it with your headphones.

Again - you are not telling anyone something they didn't already know.

Why would you presume that you hold the patent on knowing whats the latest tech? :roll:



Sure they are still $3-400 for these devices but that will come down like everything.
That is the problem - after 6 years the price has not come down at all - and they are not universaly used by everyone - but rather only a select few technogeeks and yuppie posers.


So actually you are wrong. They are all interconnected in an array of devices made by many different companies.

I am not wrong. You are. These devices are no more connected than your and my computer are connected. We happen to have "browsable" and "downloadable" access to the same content - but we are not "interconnected" - we are in fact seperated by the very nature of the network we are on.

I happen to run an interpreter that can access the same content as you can - until I install some sftware component we are not "interconnected".



Pissing match? You sure like to say that a lot. I guess that is what you are in. I am simply pointing out that we have devices and services available today to do everything this represents and are most certainly all interconnected.

Wrong - they are service subscription dependent.


There is nothing new or meaningful in that video except the fact that they took a virtual window on a virtual desktop and made them both physical.

Well - again, considering how old the video is - it's not new currently.

And ifyou can't get past your obvious obsession with "virtual to physical" you are obviously not able to realise the gist of my entire supposition - if you read MY COMMENT with comprehension you would realize that the basis for the comment was that one assumes in later versions the ENTIRE SUITE of functionality is available on the ONE see-through device and that is is NOT RESTRICTED to needing to be on the substrate.


And that has no use. It was basically a cool looking science project and nothing more.
In your flawed opinion.

Agh fuckit you are just being an obtuse jackoff.

[Global Warming]

" You can't connect an ipod to a phone" But you can a PDA and have been able to for years. PDAs have been around playing MP3s for 5 or 6 years before the iPod was even introduced.

Nothing new.

Neither is this demo apparently - since it dates from 2001.

Either way - iPods, PDA's and cell phones have not become interchangeble evices that EVERYONE uses as simply as a toaster.

Each is still isolated and not simply interconnected.

You are just sour because when you came pissing on our parade we didn't just take it lying down.

No, actually many mobile phones are combination PDAs now.

No fucking shit sherlock - do you some how think you are the only person that is up to date on the latests and greatest teachnology?

Everyone and the uncle knows this - so you are not sharing any new news with anyone.


You can open your browser on the phone, surf then net, download an MP3 and play it and listen to it with your headphones.

Again - you are not telling anyone something they didn't already know.

Why would you presume that you hold the patent on knowing whats the latest tech? :roll:



Sure they are still $3-400 for these devices but that will come down like everything.
That is the problem - after 6 years the price has not come down at all - and they are not universaly used by everyone - but rather only a select few technogeeks and yuppie posers.


So actually you are wrong. They are all interconnected in an array of devices made by many different companies.

I am not wrong. You are. These devices are no more connected than your and my computer are connected. We happen to have "browsable" and "downloadable" access to the same content - but we are not "interconnected" - we are in fact seperated by the very nature of the network we are on.

I happen to run an interpreter that can access the same content as you can - until I install some sftware component we are not "interconnected".



Pissing match? You sure like to say that a lot. I guess that is what you are in. I am simply pointing out that we have devices and services available today to do everything this represents and are most certainly all interconnected.

Wrong - they are service subscription dependent.


There is nothing new or meaningful in that video except the fact that they took a virtual window on a virtual desktop and made them both physical.

Well - again, considering how old the video is - it's not new currently.

And ifyou can't get past your obvious obsession with "virtual to physical" you are obviously not able to realise the gist of my entire supposition - if you read MY COMMENT with comprehension you would realize that the basis for the comment was that one assumes in later versions the ENTIRE SUITE of functionality is available on the ONE see-through device and that is is NOT RESTRICTED to needing to be on the substrate.


And that has no use. It was basically a cool looking science project and nothing more.
In your flawed opinion.

Agh fuckit you are just being an obtuse jackoff.

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/wtflightning.jpg

[RC45]

Again - the problem is not my writing skills, but your reading and comprehension skills.

You know there is no statute of limitations on taking the the school system to court for failing you in your education.

:fist: