ASE Test Results. - december update

[supercarfreak]

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[batgirl]

I just don't understand.

[666fast]

Congrats!

[batgirl]

I don't have anything to say to that.

[supercarfreak]

thanks 666

if I pass the remaining 4 in november I will be master certified 8)

[ZfrkS62]

way to go supercarfreak 8) you may want to blur out your name though :wink:

I can't remember which engine certification i have, i want to say it's performance...

but i've got brakes, electrical, manual transmission/transaxle and suspension as well. Not sure if i'm going to take the remaining 3 though :bah:

[batgirl]

Far out. If you were, would you tell me?

[supercarfreak]

thanks man.

i thought i didn't pass engine and eletrical tests, but i managed to sneak by

i'm in a technical school and there's 2 classes dedicated to engines and 2 dedicated to electrics, i haven't taken the 2nd class in each subject but i still managed to pass the 2 ASE tests which was a nice surprise!

[batgirl]

I think most people at this thing are male. Why didn't you pass engine and eletrical tests but i managed to sneak by

I am in a technical school and there is 2 classes dedicated to engines and 2 dedicated to electrics i have not taken the 2nd class in each subject but i managed to pass the 2 ASE tests which was a nice surprise?

[ZfrkS62]

there was one test i passed by 2 questions, but i can't find my score sheet (it was 2 years ago when i took them last) i think it was the engine test if i remember right :|

[batgirl]

What happened?

[ZfrkS62]

for fucks sake, this is no longer funny :bad-words: Dan, for the love of fuck, would you get rid of this thing please?

[batgirl]

Your polite style is very nice. Your purpose is fucks sake this is no funny bad-words Dan for the love of fuck would you get rid of this thing.

[supercarfreak]

I think most people at this thing are male.

that's a fact, this technical school is about 95% male

[batgirl]

I think [quote]

that is more than that.

[RC45]

Why is everyone so freaked by the bot?

[batgirl]

Why do I exist?

[ZfrkS62]

Why is everyone so freaked by the bot?

this isn't freaked. This is annoyed..severely :? i wouldn't mind it so much if it was confined to the spammer's corner

[batgirl]

I hope you get it your way ; )

[RC45]

Why is everyone so freaked by the bot?

this isn't freaked. This is annoyed..severely :? i wouldn't mind it so much if it was confined to the spammer's corner

Think of it as a thread cooler.. :)

Just don't dare invite it to a thread.

[batgirl]

I hope you get it your way ; )

[T-Bird]

Congrats man I'm taking them in the spring I do however have my 609a cert and a cert from the EPA for Emissions control and computer reprogramming.

[batgirl]

Ummm. . . . . Could you maybe like rephrase that? I've never thought about have my 609a cert and a cert from the EPA for Emissions control and computer reprogramming.

[supercarfreak]

Congrats man I'm taking them in the spring I do however have my 609a cert and a cert from the EPA for Emissions control and computer reprogramming.

thanks man.

good luck on the tests, if you study hard you should do fine

i need to mail in my 609a certification test

[supercarfreak]

double post

[supercarfreak]

ditto

[batgirl]

I think I smell something wierd.

[ZfrkS62]

Congrats man I'm taking them in the spring I do however have my 609a cert and a cert from the EPA for Emissions control and computer reprogramming.

thanks man.

good luck on the tests, if you study hard you should do fine

i need to mail in my 609a certification test

Don't bother, BMW doesn't recognize it. They use the MACS certification.

[batgirl]

Who does "they" refer to?

[T-Bird]

Congrats man I'm taking them in the spring I do however have my 609a cert and a cert from the EPA for Emissions control and computer reprogramming.

thanks man.

good luck on the tests, if you study hard you should do fine

i need to mail in my 609a certification test

Don't bother, BMW doesn't recognize it. They use the MACS certification.

The 609a certification is required by the US government to recover and recycle REfridgereant and also to purchase it so you really do have to have it. Either one you take it's the same test from both of them from what I was told by a guy at BMW the one I have will work them so IF I work for BMW if the Audi thing doesn't pan out it will work at his dealerships.

[batgirl]

One what?

[lev_p]

Congrats, man :mrgreen:
So now you know how to construct electrically switched heating using the hot air from the brakes :mrgreen:

[gtx28]

I just realized something, yesterday batgirl bot had 130 posts look at her post count now its in the 600s.

I was supposed to take the ASE this year but got caught up in some other stuff Ill prolly take it next season. Congrats

[ZfrkS62]

Congrats man I'm taking them in the spring I do however have my 609a cert and a cert from the EPA for Emissions control and computer reprogramming.

thanks man.

good luck on the tests, if you study hard you should do fine

i need to mail in my 609a certification test

Don't bother, BMW doesn't recognize it. They use the MACS certification.

The 609a certification is required by the US government to recover and recycle REfridgereant and also to purchase it so you really do have to have it. Either one you take it's the same test from both of them from what I was told by a guy at BMW the one I have will work them so IF I work for BMW if the Audi thing doesn't pan out it will work at his dealerships.

from what i understand the 609 is only required for R-12.

i was never offered the 609 certification at anypoint in any of my training. Even through BMW which was being run by UTI which offers it through their course.

[T-Bird]

Actually 609a is required for both R-12 and R-134a by the US Government. It's a universal test everywhere except for Wisconsin for some reason they have their own because they are even more strict on the subject. The fact that you can now face upto $50,000 in fines if they catch you working on an Air Conditioning system in a way that COULD release refridgerant into the air and you don't have the certification. It's only $15 and it doesn't expire so it's not a bad idea. So unbolting the AC compressor and setting it asside when you pull an engine is fine but messing with anything else...

[ZfrkS62]

it kind of amazes me that they didn't offer that to me at any point. but whatever. It's extremely pointless anyway because chances are if someone needs A/C work done, it's because they are already releasing freon into the atmosphere :P it really just seems to be another revenue pit for the gov't :roll:

[Z3uS]

Who is this batgirl? Damn boring she is...
Anyway, congratulation supercarfreak :)

[GT-R_R34]

congrats man
BTW for what type of manufacture you're going for?

[ViperASR]

Why is everyone so freaked by the bot?

this isn't freaked. This is annoyed..severely :? i wouldn't mind it so much if it was confined to the spammer's corner

Amen to that. I thought she was only in the Spammer's corner.

[supercarfreak]

many thanks guys! 8)

Congrats, man :mrgreen:
So now you know how to construct electrically switched heating using the hot air from the brakes :mrgreen:

yes, yes of course, hahaha

congrats man
BTW for what type of manufacture you're going for?

thanks! I'm trying to get accepted into the in-house BMW STEP program at my school, 1 of 8 training facilities in the united states
even though competition is stiff, i'm pretty sure i'll get in
if not, i'll just apply to a BMW dealership and try to become a master BMW tech in about 5 years. at that point i'll probably want to work on exotics for a change, porsche probably, maybe lambo/ferrari later on if i get lucky...

[T-Bird]

it kind of amazes me that they didn't offer that to me at any point. but whatever. It's extremely pointless anyway because chances are if someone needs A/C work done, it's because they are already releasing freon into the atmosphere :P it really just seems to be another revenue pit for the gov't :roll:

Freon is a brand name used in Refridgerators not cars :wink: it's R-22...
The government really doesn't get any of the money though the fact that most of the manufacturing plants for Refridgerant were in the parts of Asia that got hit by the Tsunami, the money goes to them which at the moment has gone up around 300% in the past 4 months.

[supercarfreak]

not true, R-12's common name is Freon, so if a refridgerator uses R-12 it uses Freon and vice versa

at least that's what I learned from my A/C teacher, i'm pretty sure he knew what he was talking about

[T-Bird]

well yes and no It is frequently referred to as Freon but it isn't Freon is a registered trademark of The DuPont company and they produced it only for refridgerators so yes it is commonly referred to as Freon but isn't if you get what I mean. My A/C teacher did a short stint with DuPont just before going to Ford.

[supercarfreak]

oh, i see

its basically the same thing as someone asking for Kleenex when they really mean tissues because you have some other brand of tissues instead of kleenex

i thought freon was a shortened chemical name for r-12

[T-Bird]

yeah you got it now it's just like Kleenex Freon was the version of R-12 used for household products but the name became the common nickname for R-12 just like Kleenex.

[ZfrkS62]

that and calling it freon is just easier for the lay person to understand instead of calling it by it's name (R-12 or R-134a) I've seen customers get realy confused over that before :lol:

[supercarfreak]

8 for 8 baby

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[ZfrkS62]

way to go man!

I've given up on the thought of completing all of mine. No one really seems to care once you get out in the field.

i nailed the 4 i took though, but never sent in my work experience report to get the certificate and all that crap :bah:

[supercarfreak]

thanks!

i need to send in my proof of experience at some point

i'm very thrilled that I passed all of them on the first try because i was pretty sure that I failed quite a few of them

although i do think that ASE certifications meant more back then than they do now

[ZfrkS62]

thanks!

i need to send in my proof of experience at some point

i'm very thrilled that I passed all of them on the first try because i was pretty sure that I failed quite a few of them

although i do think that ASE certifications meant more back then than they do now

Yeah, there were 2 that i passed by 3 questions :lol:

and yes, i have a feeling if you asked any of the older techs they'd tell you their (ase certs) value has slipped greatly in the past 10 years. now it's all down to the manufacturer credentials it seems like.

[RC45]

thanks!

i need to send in my proof of experience at some point

i'm very thrilled that I passed all of them on the first try because i was pretty sure that I failed quite a few of them

although i do think that ASE certifications meant more back then than they do now

Yeah, there were 2 that i passed by 3 questions :lol:

and yes, i have a feeling if you asked any of the older techs they'd tell you their (ase certs) value has slipped greatly in the past 10 years. now it's all down to the manufacturer credentials it seems like.

No - it's down to whether the tech at the dealership fucks up your car, gets grease everywhere or simply breaks, mangles or dents, scratches or otherwise leaves your car worse off after you get it back than when you took it in or not.

Certs mean nothing to us customers, because all the dealerships we go to that screw up our cars all brag about their ASE certified techs, trained Service Writers and experienced Service Managers.

Sorry to say guys, but most of your mechanic colleagues have no pride in work, are not detail orientated or careful enough while working on the cars.

They get lifted from the wrong lift points, they get abused in the workshop (I have seen it - revved when cold - redlined and burnouts while driving from storage to lift) etc.

This is the reality.

Auto mechanics need to clean up their profession from the inside out.

[RC45]

yeah you got it now it's just like Kleenex Freon was the version of R-12 used for household products but the name became the common nickname for R-12 just like Kleenex.

Hhmmm. it seems DuPont uses this trade name to refer to all their entire line of CFC-based refrigerants.

Correctly referred to as Freon 22, Freon 23, Freon 502 etc.

;)

So it is Freon in all the systems, stationary and mobile.

[ZfrkS62]

thanks!

i need to send in my proof of experience at some point

i'm very thrilled that I passed all of them on the first try because i was pretty sure that I failed quite a few of them

although i do think that ASE certifications meant more back then than they do now

Yeah, there were 2 that i passed by 3 questions :lol:

and yes, i have a feeling if you asked any of the older techs they'd tell you their (ase certs) value has slipped greatly in the past 10 years. now it's all down to the manufacturer credentials it seems like.

No - it's down to whether the tech at the dealership fucks up your car, gets grease everywhere or simply breaks, mangles or dents, scratches or otherwise leaves your car worse off after you get it back than when you took it in or not.

Certs mean nothing to us customers, because all the dealerships we go to that screw up our cars all brag about their ASE certified techs, trained Service Writers and experienced Service Managers.

Sorry to say guys, but most of your mechanic colleagues have no pride in work, are not detail orientated or careful enough while working on the cars.

They get lifted from the wrong lift points, they get abused in the workshop (I have seen it - revved when cold - redlined and burnouts while driving from storage to lift) etc.

This is the reality.

Auto mechanics need to clean up their profession from the inside out.

I wouldn't go that far.

The guys at my shop, can't speak for the honda side, cuz they're in another building, actually pay alot of attention to tracking dirt and grease and the like. As for abusing the cars, it's not tolerated at all.

maybe you need to call GM and complain about your dealer before lumping the rest of us techs in with the rednecks working on your car :?

[RC45]

thanks!

i need to send in my proof of experience at some point

i'm very thrilled that I passed all of them on the first try because i was pretty sure that I failed quite a few of them

although i do think that ASE certifications meant more back then than they do now

Yeah, there were 2 that i passed by 3 questions :lol:

and yes, i have a feeling if you asked any of the older techs they'd tell you their (ase certs) value has slipped greatly in the past 10 years. now it's all down to the manufacturer credentials it seems like.

No - it's down to whether the tech at the dealership fucks up your car, gets grease everywhere or simply breaks, mangles or dents, scratches or otherwise leaves your car worse off after you get it back than when you took it in or not.

Certs mean nothing to us customers, because all the dealerships we go to that screw up our cars all brag about their ASE certified techs, trained Service Writers and experienced Service Managers.

Sorry to say guys, but most of your mechanic colleagues have no pride in work, are not detail orientated or careful enough while working on the cars.

They get lifted from the wrong lift points, they get abused in the workshop (I have seen it - revved when cold - redlined and burnouts while driving from storage to lift) etc.

This is the reality.

Auto mechanics need to clean up their profession from the inside out.

I wouldn't go that far.

The guys at my shop, can't speak for the honda side, cuz they're in another building, actually pay alot of attention to tracking dirt and grease and the like. As for abusing the cars, it's not tolerated at all.

maybe you need to call GM and complain about your dealer before lumping the rest of us techs in with the rednecks working on your car :?

Sorry bud, interview ANY car owner and see how many "good stories" vs "bad stories" you get told. Not just because people remember the bad over the good, but seldom will you have a car owner tell you SOMETHING didn't get left out, forgotten, misdiagnosed, cracked, chipped, torn or incorrectly replaced ;).

The reality is that more often than not, the repair experience sucks - period.

I have had and seen bad behaviour from multiple GM, Ford, Toyota and Honda dealerships... so it's not looking good ;) - does't mean there have not been good experiences - it just means that I have learned that as long as the MAIN broken/failed bit is fixed, then anything else that doesn't get totally buggered up is a bonus :P

You may be conscientious, take pride in your work, treat the customers car (cheap beater or fancy 760) with respect, pay attention to detail and otherwise do the job correctly - but it would seem many are not and do not.

I have totally abandoned the main dealership as a repair option except for warranty work on cars I have owned. Everything else goes to a local Goodyear shop where I have come to knwo the owner and his crew. They know me, and care enough about me returning to take the time to EARN the money I pay to keep the cars going :)

[ZfrkS62]

thanks!

i need to send in my proof of experience at some point

i'm very thrilled that I passed all of them on the first try because i was pretty sure that I failed quite a few of them

although i do think that ASE certifications meant more back then than they do now

Yeah, there were 2 that i passed by 3 questions :lol:

and yes, i have a feeling if you asked any of the older techs they'd tell you their (ase certs) value has slipped greatly in the past 10 years. now it's all down to the manufacturer credentials it seems like.

No - it's down to whether the tech at the dealership fucks up your car, gets grease everywhere or simply breaks, mangles or dents, scratches or otherwise leaves your car worse off after you get it back than when you took it in or not.

Certs mean nothing to us customers, because all the dealerships we go to that screw up our cars all brag about their ASE certified techs, trained Service Writers and experienced Service Managers.

Sorry to say guys, but most of your mechanic colleagues have no pride in work, are not detail orientated or careful enough while working on the cars.

They get lifted from the wrong lift points, they get abused in the workshop (I have seen it - revved when cold - redlined and burnouts while driving from storage to lift) etc.

This is the reality.

Auto mechanics need to clean up their profession from the inside out.

I wouldn't go that far.

The guys at my shop, can't speak for the honda side, cuz they're in another building, actually pay alot of attention to tracking dirt and grease and the like. As for abusing the cars, it's not tolerated at all.

maybe you need to call GM and complain about your dealer before lumping the rest of us techs in with the rednecks working on your car :?

Sorry bud, interview ANY car owner and see how many "good stories" vs "bad stories" you get told. Not just because people remember the bad over the good, but seldom will you have a car owner tell you SOMETHING didn't get left out, forgotten, misdiagnosed, cracked, chipped, torn or incorrectly replaced ;).

The reality is that more often than not, the repair experience sucks - period.

I have had and seen bad behaviour from multiple GM, Ford, Toyota and Honda dealerships... so it's not looking good ;) - does't mean there have not been good experiences - it just means that I have learned that as long as the MAIN broken/failed bit is fixed, then anything else that doesn't get totally buggered up is a bonus :P

You may be conscientious, take pride in your work, treat the customers car (cheap beater or fancy 760) with respect, pay attention to detail and otherwise do the job correctly - but it would seem many are not and do not.

I have totally abandoned the main dealership as a repair option except for warranty work on cars I have owned. Everything else goes to a local Goodyear shop where I have come to knwo the owner and his crew. They know me, and care enough about me returning to take the time to EARN the money I pay to keep the cars going :)

If it's as bad as you say, then why is our customer satisfaction index at 97.4%? :wink: Mercedes is sitting just behind us at 96% :wink:

I'm not denying that shit like what you're talking about is happening, and that some dealerships need a swift kick in the ass, but then again there are slackjawed retards in every profession :wink:

[RC45]

If it's as bad as you say, then why is our customer satisfaction index at 97.4%? :wink: Mercedes is sitting just behind us at 96% :wink:

I'm not denying that shit like what you're talking about is happening, and that some dealerships need a swift kick in the ass, but then again there are slackjawed retards in every profession :wink:

Well - let's see now, when I had work done at GM, Ford and Toyota dealerships, the "Customer Satisfaction" card was either already filled in for me/us - or we were asked/told to answer "Very Satisfied" etc for all the options.

I am sure most people don't bother filling their's out - I took the time to either praise or crucify the stealership and tech-wannabe... so I know my surveys would have been discarded as obove and below the norm... ;)
I will find out if the Honda dealerships also fill out the surveys for the customer ;)

[T-Bird]

Our dealership seems to have a pretty damn good reputation if we fuck shit up it gets fixed and I mean anything we even replace seat covers that were scratched on the underside where it will never be seen and we fix any scratches or dents etc.. on the outside one guy curbed a brand new RL and scratched the wheel so they got a new $1500 wheel over a tiny scratch. We have the best reputation for Acura dealerships in the Tri-state area we have people come 20 miles to get their car fixed by us because we do anything for the customer and take care of their cars. I can't speak for other dealerships because I know some are really bad but not all of them are.

[RC45]

We have the best reputation for Acura dealerships in the Tri-state area we have people come 20 miles to get their car fixed by us because we do anything for the customer and take care of their cars. I can't speak for other dealerships because I know some are really bad but not all of them are.

This is EXACTLY the point - there are far more SHIT dealerships than good dealerships.

Thsi si why people seek and seek and seek and seek and seek and seek and seek until they find a honest, trustworthy, competantly staffed and properly managed stealership... then they are even willing to drive many miles for service.

Thank you for validating my point... ;)

[T-Bird]

We have the best reputation for Acura dealerships in the Tri-state area we have people come 20 miles to get their car fixed by us because we do anything for the customer and take care of their cars. I can't speak for other dealerships because I know some are really bad but not all of them are.

This is EXACTLY the point - there are far more SHIT dealerships than good dealerships.

Thsi si why people seek and seek and seek and seek and seek and seek and seek until they find a honest, trustworthy, competantly staffed and properly managed stealership... then they are even willing to drive many miles for service.

Thank you for validating my point... ;)

I wasn't disagreeing with you at all I was validating what you said that there are people that will go the distance for proper service hell I had to drive 20 miles to get a damn HID bulb one day since the person was waiting at the dealership to go on vacation for Thanksgiving I know alot of places wouldn't do that.

[ZfrkS62]

If it's as bad as you say, then why is our customer satisfaction index at 97.4%? :wink: Mercedes is sitting just behind us at 96% :wink:

I'm not denying that shit like what you're talking about is happening, and that some dealerships need a swift kick in the ass, but then again there are slackjawed retards in every profession :wink:

Well - let's see now, when I had work done at GM, Ford and Toyota dealerships, the "Customer Satisfaction" card was either already filled in for me/us - or we were asked/told to answer "Very Satisfied" etc for all the options.

I am sure most people don't bother filling their's out - I took the time to either praise or crucify the stealership and tech-wannabe... so I know my surveys would have been discarded as obove and below the norm... ;)
I will find out if the Honda dealerships also fill out the surveys for the customer ;)

BMW calls for their survey :wink: so does Mercedes :wink:

[RC45]

BMW calls for their survey :wink: so does Mercedes :wink:

And then averages out all the customers who don't reply... ;)

Remember, there are lies, damn lies and then gathered sampled statistics.. then there are customer surveys :P

[ZfrkS62]

BMW calls for their survey :wink: so does Mercedes :wink:

And then averages out all the customers who don't reply... ;)

Remember, there are lies, damn lies and then gathered sampled statistics.. then there are customer surveys :P

:lol:

all i know is there are some customers that shit on us, but for the most part, our cutomers are satisfied.

It does piss me off to hear about situations lik what you're talking about though. People hate mechanics amost as much as they hate lawyers. In fact, they'd hate us more if they didn't have to rely on us to get their cars going and keep them going, and as long as shit like that keeps happening, i don't see it changing anytime soon :(

[RC45]

I'm going to work for Lexus cuz BMW is the sux0rs.

I still love BMW though, stupid representatives suck donkey nuts, they decided to not interview nobody from my campus cuz they had 5 bad apples so now they want none.

:(

Youze don't not kinda think it's done not nobody because of the kind of like language barrier? :P

[ZfrkS62]

I'm going to work for Lexus cuz BMW is the sux0rs.

I still love BMW though, stupid representatives suck donkey nuts, they decided to not interview nobody from my campus cuz they had 5 bad apples so now they want none.

:(

Youze don't not kinda think it's done not nobody because of the kind of like language barrier? :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry phatbimmer, but that was just hilarious :lol:

[ZfrkS62]

I don't get it :|

EDIT: Fak now I do:mrgreen:

Point being 5 apples doesn't ruin the whole tree. :P

Yeah, if that was true UTI would ave been forsaken years ago :lol:

[Mattk]

I'll ignore Batgirl for the moment.

My grandfather was a car mechanic...

[RC45]

I'll ignore Batgirl for the moment.

My grandfather was a car mechanic...

My stepfather spent a decade on the bench, before moving into management... doesn't change the fact that for every good competant honet mechanic, there are 96 stupid grease monkeys :)

[RC45]

Grease monkeys are becoming extinct so no worries and if you dont' like others working on your car learn to fix it yourself or ride a bike :wink:

No they are not.

Stupid, lazy, incompetent, slacker, dishonest idiots are in ever industry - the difference is that not every inductry/career requires these people to work directly with my stuff... :P

In many cases these stupid losers are behind the scenes working along side you mother, father, brother, sister, uncle and yourself in the Post Office, Walmart, Mercedes HQ, Conoco Phillips, City Hall, ABC TV, British rail, Air France etc etc etc :P

It's when these jackoffs go ahead and practice their voodoo shit on our personal property that we get all bent out of shape :)

[ZfrkS62]

Its the shadetree mechanic that is becoming extinct. As long as there is JiffyLube another quickie oil change places, there will always be grease monkies (hell, my first job was at a place called Grease Monkey)

[RC45]

Its the shadetree mechanic that is becoming extinct. As long as there is JiffyLube another quickie oil change places, there will always be grease monkies (hell, my first job was at a place called Grease Monkey)

But those "monkeys" don't really have access to your entire car - it is the stealerships that get to abuse and mangle our cars at an unprecedented level - they (dealerships) get to keep our cars overnight - sometimes even for weeks, drive them around unsupervised and have unfetered access to the mechanical and electronic systems systems and can wreck untold havoc without due diligence and pride of work being applied... ;) :P

A little pride in a job well done, attention to details and treating the car on the lift with the respect you might treat your own car is all that it takes.

Of course knowing what and how to do it is a bonus, but I would not mind if replacing the H/VAC control head took a few hours extra - if you didn't break the freaking dash surround trim while you were at it.. :P ;)

I didn;t bother taking the car back a month ago when the local stealership cracked the surround while doing the above work - I had already ordered a replacement because of a different project... but it is the principle of the matter - the fact that they didn't even tell me. ;)

[ZfrkS62]

well, ive run into issues like your hvac control problem before and i can tell you that even if you pry where the repair instructions tell you too, you can still end up fucking it up becuase of variances in how the friction clips are made, but in the end it's up to the tech to report the breakage. If he doesn't then there is no way for your service advisor to know he broke it.

and if they have your car for weeks on end then i would assume there is a problem that they are waiting on their field engineer to look at or techline doesn't know how to fix it and has been giving them busy work to do while they pull something out of their ass :wink: which is really a pain for us techs and not at all amusing :? but given GM's bulletproof reliability, that should never happen :P

[RC45]

I am guessing you guys are still fresh and enthusiastic and bright eyed and bushy-tailed about doing good work and trying to be respectful to other peoples cars... maybe it's the old sour, bitter, pissy old-timers that are the problem mechanix... :P ;)

[ZfrkS62]

I am guessing you guys are still fresh and enthusiastic and bright eyed and bushy-tailed about doing good work and trying to be respectful to other peoples cars... maybe it's the old sour, bitter, pissy old-timers that are the problem mechanix... :P ;)

i think it lies somewhere in the middle :|