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666fast

05-17-2005, 12:42 AM

I must say, that on looks of the console alone, Sony blew Microsoft out of the water. I really want one in the black color. The only thing I'm worried about is the price! I really wouldn't be surprised if it was $500. Killzone looks pretty damn good too, will it actually be good and give Halo a run for it's money this time?

http://www.filerushnews.com/gallery/album176

The name was not unexpected, since Sony had been running an extensive teaser-ad campaign prepping the public for the PlayStation 3. The company had laid a blanket of posters around the Los Angeles Convention Center, site of the Electronic Entertainment Expo (aka E3). Bus stalls and billboards around the convention center proclaimed "Prepare for Chang3" in the distinctive PlayStation font with partial shots of the Dual Shock controller's square-circle-triangle-X buttons.

Sony also confirmed the PlayStation 3, will use Blu-Ray discs as its media format. The discs can hold up to six times as much data as current-generation DVDs. It will also support CR-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R formats. It also confirmed the machine would be backward-compatible all the way to the original PlayStation. It will also have slots for Memory Stick Duo, a SD slot, and a compact flash memory slot. It will also sport a slot for a detachable 2.5 inch HDD somewhat similar the Xbox 360's.

Out of the box, the PS3 will have the capability to support seven Bluetooth controllers. It will also have six USB slots for peripherals--four up front and two in the back.

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2 Ghz, giving the whole system 2.18 teraflops of overall performance. It will sport 256mb XDR main RAM at 3.2 Ghz, and have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700mhz.

Sony also unveiled the PS3's graphics chip, the RSX "Reality Synthesizer based on Nvidia technology. The GPU will be capable of 128bit pixel precision, 1080p resolution, some of the highest HD resolution around. The RSX also has 512mb of graphics render memory and is capable of 100 billion shader operations and 51 billion dot products per second. It also has over 300 million transistors, larger than any processor available commercially today. It will be manufactured using the 90nm process with 8 layers of metal. The RSX is more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards, which would cost roughly $1000 total if bought today.

To show off the PlayStation 3's graphical brawn, Sony showed several game demos, including an Unreal 3 tech demo of what appeared to be Unreal Tournament 2007. In what must come as a relief to developers, Epic Games' Tim Sweeney was on hand to vouch for the PS3, saying it was "easy to program for" and that Epic had received its first PS3 hardware two months ago. He proved the tech demo was real time by showing it again and manipulating the camera and zooming in.

The PlayStation 3 will also sport some hefty multimedia features, such as video chat, internet access, digital photo viewing, digital audio and video. Sony Computer Entertainment head Ken Kutaragi introduced it as a "Super computer for computer entertainment."

I'm not gonna go into the specs, I really don't care how many troggleblips a CPU can do a second. As long as the games are good, thats all I care about. I have to say I'm not too sure on the controller! LOL

Minacious

05-17-2005, 12:55 AM

I knew Sony was going to do this. Wait until the week of E3 then drop the bombshell.

zr2man99

05-17-2005, 12:56 AM

Yea, the controller looks like a boomarang. Looks like the ps3 will be pretty sweet.

666fast

05-17-2005, 12:58 AM

Yea, the controller looks like a boomarang. Looks like the ps3 will be pretty sweet.

At least when you get pissed off and throw it, it'll come back.

5vz-fe

05-17-2005, 02:07 AM

Yea, the controller looks like a boomarang. Looks like the ps3 will be pretty sweet.

At least when you get pissed off and throw it, it'll come back.

LOL!!!!!

The Sony one looks like a very slick game console while the XBox is comparison looks like a computer. Again, I think it is the games that make the best of a console so we'll have to wait and see who's better.

Chaos in 1983!

05-17-2005, 02:36 AM

Is this official?...on the looks alone it beats the Xbox 360, I'll take the black one please...the controller on the other hand looks really bad, I wish they had kept the same design incorporating bluethoot...oh well we can only wait and see..

coloradosilver

05-17-2005, 02:44 AM

I can already tell that controller is going to piss me off. Oh well...guess it'll just take some getting used to. Hopefully the quality and involvement of the games will make up for it.

evoWalo

05-17-2005, 04:25 AM

Product name: PlayStation 3

Logo: PLAYSTATION(R)3

CPU

Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU

RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)

Memory

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth

Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance

2 TFLOPS

Storage

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

Mers

05-17-2005, 12:58 PM

evoWalo

05-17-2005, 01:01 PM

The Xbox 360 has 1TFlops. The PS3 has 2TFlops

Daggernite

05-17-2005, 01:14 PM

Wow PS3 looks sweet. I just been checking www.gametrailers.com and all the ps3 and xbox360 videos are up from E3 show. All the games look pretty awesome, including the ff7 intro :D

RC45

05-17-2005, 01:40 PM

It also confirmed the machine would be backward-compatible all the way to the original PlayStation.

This alone is worth the price of entry.

Sony and PD may redeem themselves yet.. ;)

evoWalo

05-17-2005, 02:06 PM

RC45

05-17-2005, 02:34 PM

yg60m

05-17-2005, 02:46 PM

It also confirmed the machine would be backward-compatible all the way to the original PlayStation.

This alone is worth the price of entry.

Sony and PD may redeem themselves yet.. ;)
In that case RC... you'll love Nintendo's new console. It'll allow you to play all Nintendo's games from the NES to the GameCube.

Except there were never any decent Nintendo games out there :P

And what about Mario Kart ?? :? I had so much fun with this game !!

Toronto

05-17-2005, 03:43 PM

xbox 360 will be better, heck the new xbox will be better then most peoples home PC's
also halo 3 will come out the same day ps3 comes out...
going to be good for the game stores :P

TransAm

05-17-2005, 04:07 PM

And what about Mario Kart ?? :? I had so much fun with this game !!

I could never get into that game. All my mates at Uni were mad over it, I was more of a FIFA '97 / Brian Laras Cricket kind of person...

RC45

05-17-2005, 05:10 PM

^^^ FIFA for Nintendo64 - I forgot about that :) -- a really fun soccer game.

Anonymous

05-17-2005, 05:22 PM

It also confirmed the machine would be backward-compatible all the way to the original PlayStation.

This alone is worth the price of entry.

Sony and PD may redeem themselves yet.. ;)
In that case RC... you'll love Nintendo's new console. It'll allow you to play all Nintendo's games from the NES to the GameCube.

Except there were never any decent Nintendo games out there :P

Rubbish, you cannot beat Duck Hunt with the gun for NES, probably politically incorrect now tho :wink: I still have my NES and games somewhere........

flash version for nostalgia :D http://www.ebaumsworld.com/duckhunt.html

SFDMALEX

05-17-2005, 06:36 PM

HoboPie

05-17-2005, 06:52 PM

Toronto

05-17-2005, 10:15 PM

Sir_GT

05-17-2005, 10:21 PM

For u guys to have an idea...the PS3 has the grahic capability of two GeForce 6800 Ultra, the most powerful graphics card on the market today...1080 progressive res.
and the processor has 13 times the amount of teraflops than the XBOX 360...

Just proves that consoles are shit. Their card is going to be on par with one of the most powerfull video cards on the market today? I have to say I am not impressed at all.

I've had a 6600GT running at 6800 speed(not the pipes though :( ) for some time now. By the time this comes out Ill be playing with with a video card 2 generations ahead of what they have in the works right now.

um... the xbox 360 is going to have a better ATi card then anyone you can buy up until it comes out... hence ATi is going to be selling their NEW card as "seen in the xbox 360" xbox graphics will piss on ps3

Xbox had better graphics than PS2, but that didn't really mean diddly squat, did it?

Sony has what? Gran Turismo? Tekken? Virtua Fighter? Soul Calibur? Final Fantasy? Metal Gear? Dragon Ball? Pro Evo Soccer/Football? The list goes on and on...

What does Xbox have? BMX XXX? DOA Volleyball? Please.

If you wanted good graphics go watch bloody Shrek. If you want to play damn good games, buy a PS3.

Toronto

05-17-2005, 10:35 PM

666fast

05-18-2005, 01:20 AM

I'm pretty hyped about the PS3, but I'm a little worried as I think the only realtime footage was the UT2K7. It was very good and shows that the system has a ton of power, but where as Gears of War looked about half a step past it, Killzone looked a full step.

One comfort is that Epic has vouched for all the visuals in the PS3 and 360 claiming that at final each systerm can at least do everything they have shown so far.

I just read a little while ago that all of what was shown about Killzone was entirely CG. A bit of a downer, but I'm sure it'll still look damn good.

Gears of War is looking all sorts of kickass, not just in graphics. It looks like it'll be a damn fun game.

Sir_GT

05-18-2005, 11:40 AM

^^^ sport games are better on XBOX IMO, and halo rules all FPS and so are GTA games.
I prob. will end up getting both, hell I have both now :lol:
just xbox games will look better. if a game comes out for both xbox and ps3 I will always get the xbox one :wink:

Well, if you're getting both systems, then the comparison point doesn't mean diddly squat either. :p

Thing is, if you're like 80% of the gaming population (kids who depend on either their allowance or parents to pay for the systems), you're only going to get one console.

Which in this case, would be the one with the best (and most) exclusives, and that would be the PS3.

BTW, I found this on another forum:

Thanks for that m(_ _)m Your find is the most informative description yet, and it has helped me understand the numbers behind the systems a lot more than I did before.

So in short:

Sony’s PS3 processor is stronger than Microsoft’s XBOX 360.

Microsoft’s XBOX 360’s ATI graphics core maybe capable of 48-pipelines while Sony’s PS3’s Nvidia graphics processor might have just 24-pipelines.

Sony & Microsoft have taken different roads, but their memory power seems to be equal.

The PS3 supports 6 USB 2.0 ports, a memory stick slot, an SD slot, compact flash, and a removable HD (TBA). The XBOX 360 supports two memory card slots (memory starts at 64MB), 3 USB 2.0 slots, plus 20GB HD.

The PS3 will support Blu-ray media (54GB) and the XBOX 360 will support dual layer DVDs (9GB). Both systems will support all conventional CDs and DVD, and even user created DVDs.

The PS3’s A/V output hookups have two HDMI outputs working simultaneously outputting 1080p video streams allowing for dual-screen HDTV gaming! XBOX 360’s A/V hasn’t been finalized, but it is expected to be more practical with its 720p and 1080i supports.

The PS3 has a built-in Ethernet adapter, and also includes an 802.11 b/g wireless adapter. The XBOX 360 also has a built-in Ethernet adapter, but with the 802.11 a/b/g wireless adapter at an extra cost.

Wow! That’s a lot to digest But it looks like the XBOX 360 only beats the PS3 in one area: graphics.

But I’m sure we all know that it’ll all come down to video game programmers to find ways around a machines handicap to make it shine through in the end—isn’t the PS2 an inferior machine to the XBOX now? It sure is putting up quite a fight!

I must admit, before the stats came out, I had already decided on purchasing a PS3. I love Sony products, and I love my PS2! The lineup of games is pretty damn sweat to boot. Although, I’m a little worried about the cost of games (Blu-ray disks aren’t cheap), I’m happy Sony has chosen to go with Blu-ray. I’m all for more content in games. Wasn’t the reason Tekken 5 has only what it has is because of the limitations of DVD I’m not complaining! Tekken 5 has a lot of goodies.

I wonder if the days of console exclusive titles are now over. It looks like Square Enix has made a deal with Microsoft and has agreed to offer Final Fantasy to the new system too. I was never really a fan of console exclusive titles, so I hope it does become a trend in the future

kuri
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You didn't read the article too well.

While the ATI chip used in the X360 has 48 pipelines, they are in fact weaker than the pipelines in the Nvidea chip. Basically they increased the pipelines, but decreased their power, perhaps speed? But it's stlil too early to tell if it's "better" or not. From waht I've seen, no, it's not...but we'll see.

We've got one side saying that the 360 will have better graphics, while another saying it would be the PS3.

I myself saw the news report about the consoles on BBC, and they showed a few clips, and they reckoned that the PS3 had better graphics than the 360.

If that holds true... that means there would be no reason to buy the 360 except for Halo.

5vz-fe

05-18-2005, 06:09 PM

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666fast

05-18-2005, 06:39 PM

I myself saw the news report about the consoles on BBC, and they showed a few clips, and they reckoned that the PS3 had better graphics than the 360.

If that holds true... that means there would be no reason to buy the 360 except for Halo.

There is far more to a game than it's graphics buddy. The consoles power means diddly squat if the developers can't make use of it. The Playstations are well known to be difficult to work with.
Graphics schmaphics, if the game is good, I'll play it.

Fanboys are funny. My console is way more powerfull!!!!1! Who cares? Buy what you want and let others do the same.

The clips you saw on TV are rarely ever gameplay footage, which doesn't look nearly as good as a cinematic.

It's been rumored that the PS3 will cost 465USD in Japan! At the moment, I plan on getting on if there are games that I want to play. I highly doubt I'll pick one up on launch day though.

I could care less about facts and figures of a consoles insides. Right now, the hype machine is in overdrive, so things tend to get blown out of proportion. If history has taught us anything, it's that you should take Sony's claims with a grain of salt. Emotion Engine anyone? Real time "Toy Story" like graphics? :roll:

I'll decide if a console is any good when I have the thing hooked up to my TV.

Right now, my concerns with the PS3 are:
1. Is the controller as uncomfortable as it looks?

2. Will I have the money to buy one? I won't be surprised if it's $500, and thats a big turnoff, but in the end, it wouldn't stop me if it had games I really wanted to play.

I do plan on getting the Xbox 360. No idea if I'll get it on launch day, disposable income will play a major role in that decision. But as of right now, I'm not entirely sold on the PS3.

BTW, I'm the only one who finds it baffling that Sony hasn't yet announced their own version of Online service much like Xbox Live?

ViperASR

05-18-2005, 07:41 PM

XBOX 360 is going to be better in my opinion. I LOVE my XBOX (pissed i cant play GT4 thoug), but its not supposed to me a complete redo of the XBOX. think of it as a XBOX 1.5. As for Playstation, i have never really been a fan. They have had a few good games, games that alomst made me go and get one...... Plus HALO 3 is commin out the same time as PS3

And the release date of the XBOX 360 is some time in november. Anyone have any idea about the $$$$$

666fast

05-18-2005, 08:14 PM

One the game pad thing....I can assure you its probably great to use dude....for my ps1 I bought a Alps gamepad that one looked alot like this one and I never used the stock game pad on ps1 sadly it didnt work on ps2 when I bought that one......

this pad looks like it got the same form as my beloved Alps pad so Im looking forward to getting it......

I hope you are right. Looking at the pictures, it looks like it would be uncomfortable to hold and hit the shoulder buttons. (R1,L2,etc)
Being able to hook my Dualshock controllers up to it if I don't like the new ones would be nice.

And the release date of the XBOX 360 is some time in november. Anyone have any idea about the $$$$$

Price hasn't been announced yet.

SFDMALEX

05-18-2005, 08:19 PM

most likely it will be half a grand like the PS2 and XBOX when they came out.

Mers

05-18-2005, 08:25 PM

Rumor has it the PS3 is worth 50 thousand yen on its release...
467 dollars...
now that, my friends, is more than i'mm willing to pay right now...

DeMoN

05-18-2005, 09:51 PM

thats gonna be an awesome machine! I guess ill just have to buy a TV? Man im glad PS2 beat Xboxs specs! Last version, PS2 only won cuz of the backward compatibility... now lets se what Billie has to say about this!

Sir_GT

05-18-2005, 11:52 PM

I myself saw the news report about the consoles on BBC, and they showed a few clips, and they reckoned that the PS3 had better graphics than the 360.

If that holds true... that means there would be no reason to buy the 360 except for Halo.

There is far more to a game than it's graphics buddy. The consoles power means diddly squat if the developers can't make use of it. The Playstations are well known to be difficult to work with.
Graphics schmaphics, if the game is good, I'll play it.

I absolutely agree 100%!!!

...that's why I've got my quids ready for the PS3. ;)

Gran Turismo 5? Tekken 6? Virtua Fighter 5? Pro Evolution Soccer 5? GTA? Metal Gear? Final Fantasy? All the ESPN sports games? All the SEGA sports games? Soul Calibur? Tony Hawk? Victorious Boxers?

:wink:

I'm only getting two consoles... Sony's and Nintendo's, whichever comes first... simply because you need to get both systems to play certain really exceptional exclusive games (Gran Turismo and Tekken on Sony, Zelda and Mario games on Nintendo).

Xbox has... Halo? $500 on a console for a single game? Reminds me of the days when I used to laugh at NeoGeo owners.

The Xbox was a tremendous flop. It only sold decently in America. It was nonexistent in Japan, and is/was a distant third in Europe. Xbox 360 isn't going to change a thing. It doesn't have the games it needs to gain any market share.

And just for the record, I'm not a Sony/Nintendo fanboy, just a long time gamer, and very familiar with the gaming market/industry.

Xbox 360 will be a rerun of the Xbox... another loss-making product run for Microsoft. Maybe after this failure they'll finally get wise and either (a)buy up all the top companies in Japan, or (b) quit.

666fast

05-19-2005, 01:38 AM

GT5- I couldn't care less at the mmoment, it's many many years off
Teken- I dont' play fighting games, never really liked them, available for Xbox as well
Virtua Fighter- ^^
Pro Soccer- don't care, don't play sports games either
GTA- will be on the Xbox 360 eventually just like all other GTA's. The wait doesn't bother me
Metal gear- will be on the Xbox at some point
Final Fantasy- announced during E3, will be on the Xbox
ESPN, Sega sports- don't play sports games
Soul Calibur- don't care
Tony Hawk- I got tired of it after the third game
Victorious Boxers- Never heard of it

I actually don't buy too many games. I only buy what I really want to play. Most of the games above, I could honestly care less about. I've never been a fan of fighting or sports games. I've tried Final Fantasy before, I just can't get into it. Not sure why, but it bores me. Which is amazing, since I'm a huge Shenmue fan. And we all know how well that game sold.

Xbox does have games I want to play, many more than just Halo. Forza has turned out to be good fun, Amped Snowboarding, MotoGP, Rainbow Six, Project Gotham Racing. Gears of war is looking very very sweet. New Tomb Raider is looking good. Ghost Recon and Call of Duty will be on the Xbox 360.

It doesn't have the games it needs to gain any market share.

It certainly does, otherwise it wouldn't be in second place, behind the Sony hypemachine. Tekken was available for the Xbox, with better visuals. Halo is a huge game anywhere. Fable, Morrowind, KOTOR and many more.

It only sold decently in America

Worlds largest market.

Maybe after this failure they'll finally get wise and either (a)buy up all the top companies in Japan, or (b) quit.

No need to buy them all, as many have already signed on to create games for the Xbox. I don't see them quitting either, if any company can stand to lose money hand over fist, it's Microsoft. Whereas for Sony, some 40% of their yearly income comes from the Playstation. So if they missed the market or the Xbox smokes it, they'll be in for some rough times.
I wouldn't count on that though, since so many people will blindly spend all their money on anything Playstation related.

And just for the record, I'm not a Sony/Nintendo fanboy

Then you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss a console that has yet to even hit the market. You should also realize the Xbox has more than just Halo going for it.

I'm not gonna tell you what to buy, but I am gonna tell you not to ignore the Xbox 360. Many many many games have been announced that are looking all sorts of awesome.

None of it matters though, as neither the Xbox, PS2, or Nintendo were the best of this generation. Dreamcast baby! Man that had some awesome games.

I've totally ruined this thread. :wink:

Sir_GT

05-19-2005, 08:37 AM

Errr... need to correct you with some things...

GT5- I couldn't care less at the mmoment, it's many many years off
Teken- I dont' play fighting games, never really liked them, available for Xbox as well
Virtua Fighter- ^^

Both these games were never available for the Xbox. Tekken practically belongs to Sony. It's a Sony-only title. Virtua Fighter was never made for the Xbox, simply because nobody in Japan (VF's largest market) bought one.

You might think that these aren't significant (because you don't play fighting games) but Tekken, Virtua Fighter, and Soul Calibur are huge franchises in Japan and Korea; nations that literally take games seriously. Ever heard of videogame olypics/tournaments where winners pocket $250,000? Korea and Japan hold those. Tekken is also the most popular 3D fighting game in the US, with Virtua Fighter and Soul Calibur running a close second.

The fact that Sony had all three titles on the PS2 was of significant importance. Tekken and Soul Calibur are already guaranteed on the PS3 (because the arcade boards they run on are practically PS3-based), and Sega isn't one to hold back handing over Virtua Fighter to the console with the largest market share in Japan, which is why they had two Virtua Fighter 4's (VF4 and VF4:Evo) for the PS2.

It doesn't have the games it needs to gain any market share.

It certainly does, otherwise it wouldn't be in second place, behind the Sony hypemachine. Tekken was available for the Xbox, with better visuals. Halo is a huge game anywhere. Fable, Morrowind, KOTOR and many more.

Second place in America maybe, but a distant third overall. They are in an even worse position now, especially after Nintendo announced that you could download any and all the past titles onto their new console and play them. That's a whole load of classic games, most of which are extremely popular (to the point of achieving cult status) in Japan, Korea, and the rest of Asia and Europe.

A lot of Xbox's "main" games don't appeal to a worldwide audience, and they don't have any of the classic must-have titles that gamers look for. They only have presence in the USA which, for all intents and purposes, isn't good enough.

It only sold decently in America

Worlds largest market.

Not exactly. Largest potential market yes, but it isn't the biggest. More games are sold in Japan than anywhere else in the world. GTA sold about 7 million copies in the US and Europe, whereas each Final Fantasy game sells for about twice or thrice that, and 60% of those sales are based in Japan.

Keep in mind that aside from this title, Xbox 360 doesn't have anything else at the moment. Halo is unknown in Japan (because FPS aren't popular there), and most of Xbox's main sellers do not appeal to a worldwide market either, GTA included.

Worldwide sellers are the ones that carry the most weight in terms of drawing potential buyers. Sony owns Gran Turismo, arguably the game with the most worldwide appeal, and which sells tremendously well in Japan, Korea, the US, and Europe. Tekken is a Sony exclusive as well, and it too, sells very well in Japan, Korea, US, and Europe (for a fighting game). Pro Evolution Soccer (or Winning Eleven as it's called in Asia) is a very important title as well. It's the best selling console football game in Japan and Korea. You've also got the Dragon Warrior RPG series, Final Fantasy, Front Mission, Capcom's games, and all the other Japan-sourced classics.

Point is: The best games (biggest development budget) will appear on the
console with the largest TOTAL market share, because that's where the profits lie. The largest total market share is created by the amount of exclusive titles + popular 3rd party titles. Sony nailed it both times with the PS1 and PS2, there's no way they'll get it wrong for the PS3.

Besides, 1 in I believe 3 US homes have a Playstation. PS3 will be the automatic choice for mommies and daddies stateside because they can still play the hundreds of PS1 and PS2 games they bought little John et al.

And just for the record, I'm not a Sony/Nintendo fanboy

Then you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss a console that has yet to even hit the market. You should also realize the Xbox has more than just Halo going for it.

I'm not gonna tell you what to buy, but I am gonna tell you not to ignore the Xbox 360. Many many many games have been announced that are looking all sorts of awesome.

None of it matters though, as neither the Xbox, PS2, or Nintendo were the best of this generation. Dreamcast baby! Man that had some awesome games.

I've totally ruined this thread. :wink:

I'm not dismissing anything. I knew what was going to happen to the Xbox when it was first released. I knew what was going to happen to NeoGeo, Sega, and Atari as well. I've literally watched this industry with personal interest since the days of the Commodore 64 (my dad had one) all throughout Atari, Nintendo, and now PS3.

Microsoft hasn't learned their lesson at all. They still haven't seen the golden rule of succeeding in this industry. It's not just about titles or graphics or what not. It's about Japan first, the West second. If you don't have the Japanese market covered before you try and sell to the US and Europe, you're not going anywhere.

Honestly, I could probably write up a full thesis explaining why Sony's PS3 will quash MS's Xbox 360 and why Nintendo will remain a cult favorite, but I wouldn't want to bore you. ;)

666fast

05-19-2005, 05:55 PM

Sir_GT

05-19-2005, 06:36 PM

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/7221/Tekken-5-Coming-to-Xbox/

http://xbox.ign.com/objects/016/016894.html

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/616/616708p1.html

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614936p1.html

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8263/Capcom-Inks-Deal-to-Publish-Darkwatch-on-Xbox/

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8156/Xbox-360-Mistwalker-Game-Revealed/

Interesting to see that Famitsu (Who I know to be very reliable) mentioned Tekken 5 on Xbox and GC, and yet 6 months onwards, and more tellingly, only a few months away from the release of Xbox 360, there is still no sign of Tekken 5 on either console.

Sony pulled a few strings behind the scenes maybe? Honestly, I would be very very surprised if I saw Tekken on any other console aside from Sony's.

I'm interested to see what kind of Virtua Fighter Sega will bring to the Xbox 360, since they do make a Virtua Fighter RPG.

Soul Calibur 2 was shared anyway... no surprise there.

I think the biggest point that Xbox 360 scored was the Final Fantasy franchise. Since the Asian console market is very RPG-based (hence the countless RPG's on the PS2), it will be very interesting to see how many more RPG licences Microsoft goes for, especially since America isn't very particular on them (with the exception of Final Fantasy).

Besides, Xbox 360 is only just getting FFXI... that game has been out for the PS2 for quite some time now. PS3 will get FFXII. Why would the Japanese pay for the Xbox 360 version (AND an Xbox 360) of a game they've been playing for pretty much over a year?

Honestly, it still isn't a very convincing argument. All you've shown me are games which the Xbox shares with one or more consoles. Exclusive titles are still far and few in between, and do not have worldwide appeal (to the majority of the Asian and European markets especially.)

Sony still has the advantage mate, sorry.

Even if you talk about hardware peripherals... PS3 gets the bluetooth controllers right out of the box, plus it will be WiFi compatible with the PSP, which is like an ultimate iPod in it's own right... the possibilities/oppurtunities that Sony has with this setup are ridiculous.

My point is simple: I'm sure whatever system you purchase will be the one which satisfies your expectations, and you will thus be pleased, content, happy, and may all the best be with you.

But that still doesn't change the fact that the market is pointing towards a repeat of the last (current) generation's industry standing, in which Sony is the clear market leader worldwide, with Microsoft holding a significant market share in the West, and Nintendo further embracing their "cult" status in the market.

666fast

05-19-2005, 07:37 PM

All you've shown me are games which the Xbox shares with one or more consoles

Just a few posts ago, you called them exclusive, as you can see, they no longer are.

compatible with the PSP, which is like an ultimate iPod in it's own right

The PSP will be able to connect with the Xbox 360 as well. :o

Why would the Japanese pay for the Xbox 360 version (AND an Xbox 360) of a game they've been playing for pretty much over a year?

Because they like to collect things. Ever notice how there were a billion different PS2 consoles in Japan, but nowhere else? Then there is the graphical advantage, while how a game looks isn't most important to me, to some it's very important.

Besides, Xbox 360 is only just getting FFXI... that game has been out for the PS2 for quite some time now.

And if it's a success, you don't think the Xbox will see future versions of the game?

Even if you talk about hardware peripherals... PS3 gets the bluetooth controllers right out of the box

and the Xbox 360 gets wireless controllers right out of the box. It's also known that Peripherals don't sell too well.

I'm still interested in the PS3, but I don't think it'll slaughter the Xbox in sales this time around. There is also the issue of online gaming, Xbox Live proves it's very much in demand. As far as I know, Sony seems to have no plan whatsoever.

Sir_GT

05-19-2005, 07:42 PM

Might as well throw in a few E3 PS3 clips:
Final Fantasy XII(rumoured to be in real-time) (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1684)

Vision Gran Turismo (supposedly in real-time as well... looks basically like the CGI intro of GT4 on the PS2, except this time you're actually playing) (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1675)

Killzone 2 (the trailer is rumoured to be CGI, so I'm not excited) (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1668)

Tekken 6 (whereas this one is supposed to be in real-time... which does excite) (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1673)

Devil May Cry 4 (apparently this one is in real-time as well) (http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1671)

A link to Metal Gear Solid 4, Metal Gear Solid 3: Substance, Metal Gear Ac!d 2 (http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/004.html) which has the MGS4 trailer for PS3... haven't seen it yet, so I can't comment.

Enjoy watching/downloading. I'm off to bed. G'night.

Sir_GT

05-19-2005, 07:57 PM

...and I thought I was done...

All you've shown me are games which the Xbox shares with one or more consoles

Just a few posts ago, you called them exclusive, as you can see, they no longer are.

Tekken still seems like it. Only Sega (VF) and SquareEnix (FF) seem to have "spread their risks".

compatible with the PSP, which is like an ultimate iPod in it's own right

The PSP will be able to connect with the Xbox 360 as well. :o

Eh? PSP is Sony's handheld. PlayStation Portable. I don't think Microsoft even wants it to be compatible. Lol.

Why would the Japanese pay for the Xbox 360 version (AND an Xbox 360) of a game they've been playing for pretty much over a year?

Because they like to collect things. Ever notice how there were a billion different PS2 consoles in Japan, but nowhere else? Then there is the graphical advantage, while how a game looks isn't most important to me, to some it's very important.

Don't be daft. FFVII was also re-sold on the PC after a while. Seems to me that Microsoft has reached a deal of receiving Sony's titles after they've served their purpose for the PlayStation franchise. Sort of like how people buy used underwear at a car boot sale.

Besides, Xbox 360 is only just getting FFXI... that game has been out for the PS2 for quite some time now.

And if it's a success, you don't think the Xbox will see future versions of the game?

Errr...see above.

Even if you talk about hardware peripherals... PS3 gets the bluetooth controllers right out of the box

and the Xbox 360 gets wireless controllers right out of the box. It's also known that Peripherals don't sell too well.

When I was talking about peripherals, I meant the non-processing related hardware bits such as controllers, et al. Xbox 360 allows for (IIRC) 4 wireless controllers out of the box. PS3 allows for 7 bluetooth controllers out of the box.

I'm still interested in the PS3, but I don't think it'll slaughter the Xbox in sales this time around. There is also the issue of online gaming, Xbox Live proves it's very much in demand. As far as I know, Sony seems to have no plan whatsoever.

I'll hold my tongue on overall sales as well. I don't think the Xbox will do well in Japan, but it would be interesting to see what approach Microsoft will take with regards to their main market, the USA.

I too would like to know what changes Sony is making with regards to online play. I know for a fact that the PS3 was designed with online play in mind (combined processing power and all that, which they mentioned over a year ago), and that FFXI did well in Japan. How Sony will integrate their approach to online gaming with regards to the American and European markets will be the most interesting bit if you ask me.

666fast

05-19-2005, 08:02 PM

According to IGN.com, all of Sony's games excluding UT2007 and Fight Night were prerendered movies. They also said it took 6 months to build the Killzone trailer. :shock:

Check this movie out, if the game ends up anything like that, it's gonna be a blast!
Motorstorm:
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1678

666fast

05-19-2005, 08:10 PM

Eh? PSP is Sony's handheld. PlayStation Portable. I don't think Microsoft even wants it to be compatible. Lol.

Microsoft already said it would be.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/615/615304p1.html

4 wireless controllers out of the box. PS3 allows for 7 bluetooth controllers out of the box.

You and I both know it'll never be used. 7 players on one screen, riiiiigghhht. Splitscreen with two players is bad enough, so......7? No thank you.

Sir_GT

05-20-2005, 05:41 AM

Anything IGN says, I'll hold my breath on. They first said GTA was a launch title, now they withdrew the comment. That's just the way they roll.

I'm VERY surprised Microsoft allowed the PSP to be compatible with the Xbox 360. An act of desparation perhaps?

BTW, I was speaking to a friend of mine who actually has an engineering degree that is directly related to computer hardware. He said the Playstation 3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360 on all accounts.

He (and another mate of mine) said that the PS3's GPU alone is double the entire processing power of the Xbox 360. I'll trust them on this, because they definitely know what they're talking about.

666fast

05-21-2005, 03:28 PM

all the players can be on just one, fighting with eachother or what not. So the 7 player support can come in handy and I think it is and advantage.

I just read that it supports HDMI. Now all you need is super expensive cables and TV's. They really ought to rethink this, it's making it much more expensive and less than 2% of owners will use it.

DeMoN

05-21-2005, 05:36 PM

I just read some news that the XBOX had to settle for low prize so their 360 will cost 299 and well... Sony is not that far behind. The system will be less than 500! and well its more than 2 times better than the XBOX IMO making it the clear CHAMP!

evoWalo

05-25-2005, 09:03 AM

According to this article (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/224881_e3hirai19.html) Kazuo Hirai claims the PS3 will not be expensive and that it will be competitively priced with the Xbox 360. MS can offer the 360 at above $299 price tag of the current gen video consoles when it comes out November (I'm guessing on the 15th) but will have to cut prices when the PS3 comes out. Dunno if MS/Sony will cut prices when the Nintendo Revo comes out though I hope it does. All of them will probably cut prices a month or two after Christmas.

At the end of the day hardware specs hardly matters if there isnt exclusive content on it and if the venture is profitable.

The exclusion of a HD DVD drive hurts the 360. I'm guessing they did this to promote MS' proprietary Windows Media Video High Definition (WMVHD) DVDs. Having an industry standard BD drive helps the PS3. The immediate popularity of the PS2 was attributed to the inclusion of a DVD drive. At the time of release a dedicated DVD video players cost $300-500. Then again a BD drive and Windows Media Video High Definition (WMVHD) DVDs are useless if you don't have a HD display.

You all might want to read this article. Having 1080p is great on the PS3 but a lot of people here wont experience it until 5-7 years from now due to cost.

Why 1080p Is A Magic Number (And Letter)
http://news.designtechnica.com/print_talkback47.html

Toshiba HD displays that can do 1080p
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/05-19-2005/0003639403&EDATE=

Pricing and Expected Availability
-- TheaterWide models:
56HM195 (August 2005, $3,499.99);
62HM195 (August 2005, $3,799.99);
72HM195 (September 2005, $4,999.99)

-- Cinema Series models:
56MX195 (September 2005, $3,799.99);
62MX195 (September 2005, $4,099.99);
72MX195 (October 2005, $5,299.99)

Samsung's 1080p displays
http://www.advancedimagingpro.com/article/printer.jsp?id=912

50W-inch ($4,000),
56W-inch ($4,499),
61W-inch ($4,799),
71W-inch ($6,799)

Sir_GT

06-03-2005, 10:47 PM

More info:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8018613/site/newsweek/