***2005 Monte Carlo GP***

[Toronto]

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Race Final
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Points

1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes Winner
2 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW +13.8 secs
3 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW +18.4 secs
4 5 Fernando Alonso Renault +36.4 secs
5 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes +36.6 secs
6 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota +37.1 secs
7 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari +37.2 secs
8 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari +37.5 secs
9 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas +1 Lap
10 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota +1 Lap
11 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas +1 Lap
12 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault +1 Lap
13 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota +3 Lap
14 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth +5 Lap
Ret 15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull Racing +19 Lap
Ret 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth +49 Laps
Ret 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing +55 Laps
Ret 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota +60 Laps

Track Info:
# Location: Monte-Carlo, Monaco
# Direction: clockwise
# Lap Length: 3.340km
# Race Laps: 78
# Race Legnth: 260.52km
# Lap Record: 1:14.439 (Michael Schumacher, 2004)

# About this circuit
# Monaco is probably the most famous Grand Prix of all. A tight, demanding street circuit at which overtaking is almost impossible, meaning pole position can be decisive. The circuit is very hard on the drivers, with a typical lap requiring 36 gear changes - a total of over 2800 per race! It is not so hard on the engine of the car, as it is rarely operating on full power.

The roads have very little grip to begin with, so in wet weather, the sight of cars sliding into the barriers is very common. Teams raise the driving height of their cars, and opt for high downforce on this circuit.
© Copyright 2005 UpdateSport.

Report:

[sameerrao]

Kimi is going to win this one methinks. Schumi will be cursed by his poor QLF1 starting spot

[Poldi]

i think that the renaults have the best chances to win. their traction control is the best in the formel 1 and with alonso or fisico their have very good drivers. with the very small corners the track is ideal for renault power :D . so i think that it will be very complicated especially for ferrari to beat the others. but lets see what the options are :D

[kksh]

I think the performance of the Mclarens and the Renautls will be more or less equal. But I'm betting on Kimi winning it bar any mechinical mishaps.

Ferrari nor Toyota or Williams will do too well. Fisi will beat alonso. That's my 2 cents worth anyway.

[Poldi]

but last year Jarno Trulli won the race. so i think that he is also a candidate for the victory. and in the last two races toyota had a good and fast pace.

[zondaland]

Last year Renault had a very rear biased weight distribution, this helped them to accelerate at low speeds. I dont know if they have changed their weight distribution for this year, but I would take a punt that they have.

As Gascoyne is now technical director at Toyota it wouldnt surprise me one iota if they were running a rear biased weight distribution. If this is the case then I would expect Trulli to be very competitive around the streets.

On the other hand Webber has traditionally been fast at Monaco, I expect him to overqualify the car once again. Providing he gets a decent start I think a podium is on the cards for him.

However overall the status quo shouldnt be all that different to previous races, Raikkonnen and Alonso fighting for the win, potentially with a couple of wildcards thrown in to make things interesting, I cant wait. :D

[Evo]

Either Mclaren or Renautls team will win this.. But I will be with Renautl if I had to choose. :mrgreen: Good luck to all the team though.. This is the best year in F1 in a while..

[5vz-fe]

Looks like Ferrari will not be a serious contender this weekend

Monaco: Thursday Free 1 - Times

19/05/2005

Pos Driver Team T Time Gap
1 Montoya McLaren M 1:17.152 96.836 mph
2 Alonso Renault M 1:17.301 0.149
3 Klien Red Bull M 1:17.511 0.359
4 M Schumacher Ferrari B 1:17.640 0.488
5 Fisichella Renault M 1:17.869 0.717
6 Wurz McLaren M 1:18.059 0.907
7 Webber WilliamsF1 M 1:18.244 1.092
8 R Schumacher Toyota M 1:18.482 1.330
9 Coulthard Red Bull M 1:18.669 1.517
10 Barrichello Ferrari B 1:18.838 1.686
11 Heidfeld WilliamsF1 M 1:18.859 1.707
12 Raikkonen McLaren M 1:19.055 1.903
13 Trulli Toyota M 1:19.255 2.103
14 Villeneuve Sauber M 1:19.755 2.603
15 Liuzzi Red Bull M 1:19.844 2.692
16 Massa Sauber M 1:20.180 3.028
17 Zonta Toyota M 1:20.979 3.827
18 Doornbos Jordan B 1:21.511 4.359
19 Friesacher Minardi B 1:21.968 4.816
20 Monteiro Jordan B 1:22.388 5.236
21 Karthikeyan Jordan B 1:23.521 6.369
22 Albers Minardi B 1:25.664 8.512


Monaco: Thursday Free 2 - Times

19/05/2005

Pos Driver Team T Time Gap
1 Alonso Renault M 1:15.835 98.518 mph
2 Wurz McLaren M 1:15.912 0.077
3 Coulthard Red Bull M 1:16.184 0.349
4 Fisichella Renault M 1:16.519 0.684
5 Montoya McLaren M 1:16.534 0.699
6 Raikkonen McLaren M 1:16.558 0.723
7 Liuzzi Red Bull M 1:16.640 0.805
8 Massa Sauber M 1:16.914 1.079
9 R Schumacher Toyota M 1:16.917 1.082
10 Zonta Toyota M 1:17.046 1.211
11 M Schumacher Ferrari B 1:17.170 1.335
12 Webber WilliamsF1 M 1:17.422 1.587
13 Trulli Toyota M 1:17.487 1.652
14 Villeneuve Sauber M 1:17.506 1.671
15 Barrichello Ferrari B 1:17.663 1.828
16 Heidfeld WilliamsF1 M 1:17.667 1.832
17 Klien Red Bull M 1:18.815 2.980
18 Doornbos Jordan B 1:19.526 3.691
19 Friesacher Minardi B 1:19.587 3.752
20 Monteiro Jordan B 1:20.284 4.449
21 Karthikeyan Jordan B 1:21.879 6.044
22 Albers Minardi B 1:22.162 6.327

[szumszer]

this is alonso's race to loose, so if everything goes well, he will be on top of the podium, and perhaps will be joined by fisichella, at either two or three, while coulthard, raikkonen and schumi are wild cards here, especially kimi and schumi, because if their cars hold up all race long, they are more than capable of getting to the podium here, although not at P1, schumi is due for a big win, but not this time, not yet, even if his tyres stay intact ... we shall see

[5vz-fe]

Schumi will prolly not in the top 3.

[kksh]

normally the usual racers don't set those fast times. It's a wonder why Alonso felt the need to do so. Usually on Friday/Thursday it's always the 3rd drivers doing the timesheet toping.

Under pressure?
Showing who's boss?

I think Mclaren are the ones in best shape for pole and the win.

[mindgam3]

I'm thinking kimi's going to take 1st this weekend. I wouldn't rule out Montoya (for once) this race as he's looked fairly fast.

I'm betting 2 renaults, 2 mclarens and 2 toyotas in the top 6 ;)

[Poldi]

but last year Jarno Trulli won the race. so i think that he is also a candidate for the victory. and in the last two races toyota had a good and fast pace.

well if you want to go at it that way, then i say MS will win since he has won 5 times there, only Senna i believe has won more with 6 wins there.
what happens in the past, has no direct effect of what will happen in the future.

thats right but monaco isn´t a easy track. not all drivers have the qualification to do a good job. but jarno won last year and i want to say that he knows how to go very fast on this track :)

ferrari have problems with their cars. michael has some vibrations and the team don't know from where they comes.
However this will be a very interesting race this weekend :D

[Poldi]

ok here are the results from the first qualifying

1. Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 1:13,644 Min.

2. Fernando Alonso Renault 1:14,125

3. Mark Webber BMW-Williams 1:14,584

4. Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 1:14,783

5. Juan Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 1:14,858

6. Nick Heidfeld BMW-Williams 1:15,128

7. Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:15,189

8. David Coulthard Red Bull 1:15,329

9. Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 1:15,921

10. Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 1:16,142

11. Michael Schumacher Ferrari 1:16,186

12. Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 1:16,218

13. Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull 1:16,817

14. Patrick Friesacher Minardi 1:18,574

15. Cristijan Albers Minardi 1:19,229

16. Tiago Monteiro Jordan 1:19,408

17. Narain Karthikeyan Jordan 1:19,474

18. Ralf Schumacher Toyota no time*

*Ralf had a very horrible crash but he is unhurt

[callen]

Wow there seems to be a fair share of crashes, Ferrri are down on the grid again, I wonder if those Bridgestones are hurting them? Who knows but they dont seem to be adapting like the rest of the teams. I am looking forward to seeing this one, I love Monaco! :D

[gucom]

whoa ralph's crash was pretty bad indeed...was captured nicely live on on-board camera...for once im kind of glad im not him

BTW he had his leg pierced by a bit of suspension or sumn like that when he crashed a couple of years ago...wasn't that also in monaco?? he must love the track by now

[Poldi]

BTW he had his leg pierced by a bit of suspension or sumn like that when he crashed a couple of years ago...wasn't that also in monaco?? he must love the track by now

yes it was in monaco :D

[dingo]

Interesting first session - the Ferrari's are WAY off the pace :?
Its good to see Webber qualifying well again, now if he gets a decent start it could be his first podium finish since no one will be able to pass :D
I can't wait - feeling pretty sick today so this will cheer me up tomorrow :D

[|Nuno|]

Damn... Kimi did a fantastic lap!

And Minardi... :shock: Bridgestone's softer compound really works on Qualifying, but I have doubts about its durability...

On the other hand, the harder compound used by Ferrari and Jordan...well, slow would be a understatement... :| And unlike previous races, a backwards race by Ferrari isn't possible at Monaco , so I'm not expecting a good result at all... :?


And it seems that Montoya will start from the back of the grid:

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=24518

[Max Power]

a backwards race by Ferrari

I like that wording.........but I don't like what it signifies :(

[|Nuno|]

a backwards race by Ferrari

I like that wording.........but I don't like what it signifies :(

Indeed... :(

What's odd is that this morning Ferrari actually did well (1:14.9 for Michael) compared to Quali's 1:16.1... So they were probably using the softer compound this morning...

[Max Power]

well it seems that Montoya was trying to screw over another Shumacher at Monaco
......hehe, 1:14.9 is a sec off the pace of qualy.... :?

[phantomfocus]

The lap Alonso layed down was very impressive, but then Kimi absolutly smoked it! I hate to say but Montoya should be embarasssed, considering they should have both been light on fuel I would have hoped that he could have gotten a little closer the Kimi's time.

I have to give a congrats to Webber, what an excellent lap in what is most likly the lesser car. I hope he can keep from having his mental mishap during the race.

R. Schumacher continues to show why toyota overpaid, Trulli continues to show him up time and time again. Now Ralph will most likely have a bad spot in the qualifying order at the ring.

This one may not be too close up front. Unless Kimi has mechanical problem I don't see this one getting away from him.

[sameerrao]

they were probably using the softer compound this morning...

I believe the rules state that you must choose your compound for the qualifying as of Sat morning prior to the car being run. So they cant be testing different compounds on Saturday.

[sameerrao]

R. Schumacher continues to show why toyota overpaid, Trulli continues to show him up time and time again. Now Ralph will most likely have a bad spot in the qualifying order at the ring.


Ralf was actually on the pace of Webber prior to his mishap. So he was at least trying. If you see the onboard of the incident - he turned a little too early - the wheel clouted the armco and broke the suspension. That's what sent him into the opposite wall.

I guess he was desperate for a quick time here. I think he was on pole once - 2003 perhaps. So he was hoping for a repeat.

[|Nuno|]

they were probably using the softer compound this morning...

I believe the rules state that you must choose your compound for the qualifying as of Sat morning prior to the car being run. So they cant be testing different compounds on Saturday.

Yeah, I tought that too but difference is so big... Maybe different track conditions or simply the fact that the harder Bridgestones don't work over a single lap.

[saadie]

jsut finished watching the Race .. it was awsome ... very dramatic ...
raikonen blitzed everyone ... alonso did good ... (Fuck the new tyre rule) ... nick's overtaking was awsome .. perfect to within an inch ...... poor villeneuve ... still cant handle wheels with groves ..... he needs slicks .... and schumitaking took it all on his lil bro .. lmfao ... it was really funny ... :mrgreen:
anyways .. on my charts ..
Raikonen rules
Aloso rocks
:lol:

[Toronto]

great race for Webber (first podium) and Heidfeld
kimi was amazing puting in such fast laps and the start of the race, with such a heavy full load.
alonso - to bad for him... :( put at least he got points.... that also said for schumi :D
37.1 secs, 37.2 secs, 37.5 secs 6-8 was really close this race!

[SFDMALEX]

I enjoyd it. I feel great for Webber, to bad he couldnt get 2nd.

Kimi looked awesome, Schumi in the making this guy.

Schumi showed that the car still has the pace, and that last minute push from him is what I love about the guy, he's flat out till the end, nearly took that 6th spot.

Looking forward to Nurburgring, its going to be great.

[Poldi]

after the first 25 laps i thought this would be a very boring race but then everything changed :mrgreen: this is monaco how we love it. 8)
kimi is the king with his new mclaren. but nick did a fantastic job with the second place. also webber. it seems that the williams works very well.

[gucom]

this was the kind of race u wanna see :D lots of excitement, lots of action...btw, when Christian Albers spun out there, i was glad F1 drivers have incredible reflexes...it could've been pretty nasty otherwise...

This whole season so far has been pretty exciting, i hope Kimi will get close to Alonso, and in a perfect world even more ppl would come close, so u really have no idea of who's gonna win...dunno who that would be then, maybe Trulli, but s ofar he's just been fast in most races, instead of having scored his points by overtaking...he overtookfisichella in a nice way today tho 8)

[sikx5]

I enjoyed this race, Some great over taking manouvers. Schumi showed he had some pace, but Kimi really came out on top. Webber would be pretty pissed about the pit incident with his team mate, but Alonso was just getting slower and slower, couldnt be helped i guess.

The last lap with schui nearly taking out his bro, that was funny stuff, you see the toyota just swearve out of the way, and fast...lol..

[Max Power]

that's was a spectacular race......and its all thanks to Trulli, if he didn't go for the pass, it would've sucked...
...and this worseless strategy of the Ferraris, (backwards race) a new term that I have learned is not working, too many obsticales
...but that was the best race so far but it can only get more exciting from here, its back to back to back :D

[|Nuno|]

Well... I have to say that I wasn't expecting the race to be so good, judging by the Qualifying times, but fortunately it was very good. :D

Congrats to Kimi on another deserved victory - he drove a fantastic race and showed once again that the McLarens are the fastest cars at the moment. Even with a one-stop strategy and the softer tyres, the car held up togheter 'till the end of the race and on the first laps he left Alonso well behind.

Speaking of which, I have the feeling that Renault will struggle to mantain the lead in the WCC, and the same goes for Alonso in the WDC. Even on a slow track (where the Renaults are usually strong) it was clear that both the Mclarens and the Williams had a better pace; same goes for Ferrari - once again they proved that the car is very fast (specialy on Michael's hands), but Qualifying pace is still a problem. Luck wasn't there either - without that Safety Car incident and Barrichelo's penalty things could have been alot different... And that is proven by Michael setting the fastest lap of the race when he still had alot of fuel on board. Shame that after that traffic slowed him down - still, he was able to unlap himself.

Going back to the Renaults, I was surprised by their (bad) performance. Alonso's car COMPLETELY destroyed its rear tyres - and since they were on the harder compound and the fastest lap set by them wasn't impressive at all, this makes think that they will struggle on the next races, as said before. They're still very strong on Qualifying tough.

Williams were also a good surprise - very good race by them. Kudos to both driver for the overtaking manoeuvres. :D

And like Max Power said, thanks to Trulli for "opening the can" with that Kamikaze move. Thanks Trulli! :D

Ah, and thanks to Villeneuve too! :mrgreen:

And Ralf: lol man, were you sleeping or what...?

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FASTEST LAPS CHART:


No Driver Team Lap Time Of Day Average Speed Time

1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 40 14:58:53 158.540 1:15.842

9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 41 14:58:47 158.375 1:15.921

5 Fernando Alonso Renault 19 14:27:44 156.971 1:16.600

6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 20 14:29:05 156.611 1:16.776

16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 38 14:55:16 156.538 1:16.812

2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 51 15:13:16 156.326 1:16.916

7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 77 15:47:26 156.214 1:16.971

17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 11 14:18:03 156.014 1:17.070

8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 15 14:22:47 155.834 1:17.159

10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 50 15:11:39 155.342 1:17.403

11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 17 14:25:35 155.184 1:17.482

14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 15 14:22:55 154.762 1:17.693

12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 16 14:24:15 154.552 1:17.799

15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Red Bull Racing 43 15:02:11 154.094 1:18.030

20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 19 14:28:49 152.131 1:19.037

21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 22 14:33:20 149.856 1:20.237

18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 12 14:19:49 148.909 1:20.747

19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 14 14:23:46 146.600 1:22.019

[mindgam3]

Another great race for this season... now kimi's had no unfortunate incidents and has a decent car under him, i can't really see anyone stopping him this season. Whether he'll do enough to catch alonso is a different matter.

I don't get ferrari's pace at all.... clearly they had some at some points during the race but it was far from consistent.

Renault's tyre degrdation was fairly worrying, but with the rear bias weight distribution and the track generally being hard on rears then maybe it was just a one off, we'll see next race.

Great job by williams - nice to see the top Brit based manufactures back where they belong ;)

[phantomfocus]

A fantastic race for Kimi, and a well deserved victory. The deserving car won today. Another congrats to Williams, fantastic job by both drivers and I hope that they have finally begun to turn the corner.

As much as montoya frustrated me you can't argue with his charge in the race. Rear of the field to the front is fantastic (especially at Monoco).

We all for the most part enjoyed the race, just wait til two more competitive cars are thrown in the mix next week :wink:

[kksh]

A great race!!!!

It's amazing how kimi can pull out such a lead with a fully fueled 1 stopper car from a 2 stopper who, we at least at first, didn't have to look after his tyre cos he was running on the hardest compounds. Great to see the championship shaping nicely. Go kimi!!!!

I think the situations between Renault and Ferrari are reversed. Ferrari have trouble getting speed from their tyres in one lap qualifying and renault don't have such problems but come the race, the ferrari, well, MS in particular can run the pace of the front runners. But only after about 20 or so laps. Maybe his tyres coming good perhaps? Where as the renault would be struggling at that time.

Nurburgring will be another Mclaren walkover. With BAR getting the better of the renaults along with ferrari and williams. Let's see. Can't wait.

[dingo]

Webber got his first career podium finish......not sure what else happened, thats all that matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Sensational stuff, if Webber had of pitted before Heidfeld then it may even have been a 2nd place finish - but 3rd is good enough for now :D
It was great to see some passing at MC - a very enjoyable race. :D
Congrats to Kimi obviously and it seems he and Alonso will fight till the end in the championship battle this year :D

[dingo]

Ah something I forgot to mention was that it was nice to see Jenson Button in the commentary box for this race - his comments were great IMO and really added some insight into the race :D

[nejcdolinsek]

I unfortunately didn't watch the race....
Apparently, MS overtook two people in the last lap????? Can someone please expand on this :?: :o

But I've gotta say, McLaren have really improved, and I congratulate Kimi on the great drive! :D

[dingo]

Apparently, MS overtook two people in the last lap????? Can someone please expand on this :?: :o



I think he only gained one spot on the last lap - he overtook Barrichello :wink: He nearly got Ralf at the finish line, then they touched after they had both crossed the line :D

[dingo]

It seems MS has caused some tension with his brother and teamate :(


Originally Posted by http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5923-1623829,00.html
Schumacher under fire from family and friends alike
From Kevin Eason in Monte Carlo



THE desperation of a dreadful season turned to resentment last night as the two drivers closest to Michael Schumacher in Formula One turned on the seven-times champion.

Ralf Schumacher described his elder brother as “crazy” after almost falling victim to an ambitious last-lap lunge as Michael hurled his Ferrari at the finish line in a futile attempt to grab sixth place from him in the Monaco Grand Prix. Ralf flicked his Toyota sideways in shock as he suddenly found the Ferrari taking up his space. “He should have switched on his brain before he tried that move,” he said. “One millimetre more and one of us could have been dead. Sometimes Michael is not right in the head.” However, the discontent had spread farther and, more damagingly, to the Ferrari motorhome, where Rubens Barrichello, for so long the German’s faithful lieutenant, sat fuming at being muscled aside by his team-mate. He was so upset that he took his case to Jean Todt, the Ferrari sporting director.



The Brazilian has had a long career as Schumacher’s sidekick, but when he decided yesterday that he deserved to keep his place ahead of his team leader on the final lap of the race, Schumacher took matters into his own hands. As the Ferraris emerged from the darkness of Monaco’s famous tunnel at almost 180mph and into the brilliant sunshine of the harbour front, Schumacher simply barged his way to the crucial inside line into the chicane, as if daring Barrichello to risk a crash.

“If I hadn’t moved out of the way, we would have crashed and lost the points we earned today,” Barrichello said. “I don’t want to destabilise the team, but I have spoken to Michael and Jean Todt. A few years ago I wouldn’t have said anything and I don’t suppose this will change anything.”

Schumacher was characteristically unrepentant, just as he has been before when the pressure of failure has overwhelmed his common sense. This time he said simply: “I am a full-blooded racer. That’s what I am here to do. Do they think I came here just for a Sunday afternoon outing?”

[saadie]

i knew somehting was gonna happen between micheal and his bro ..... imo micheal should've learned in 7 years that there should be a competition and shouldnt have done what he did in monaco .... hes just being a sore looser ....
and anyway .. imo F1 is not about winning or loosing its about how good you do ... cuz the cars are different the setups are different .. no two cars are alike ....
winning and loosing is gonna happen in the A1 gp ... :mrgreen:

[irrational_i]

Well I have to admit to being an MS fan, but also a racing fan.
I think MS was justified. Watching tha last few laps was painful because I could see Rubens had no intention of even trying to pass RS. Obviously MS was frustrated but I think Rubens is at fault for not racing, just cruising. MS saw a chance to take 1 or 2 more points and took it. How is that wrong? It is racing after all.
I hate to bring this kind of thing up, but could you see Senna settling?

That said. I am very happy for Webber, whom I've liked from the start of his career, to finally get a podium. Even though Nick was in front, it seemed Webber has had some bad luck in not gaining the podium earlier this year.

Great race from Kimi. He completely outclassed everybody in the race. No mistakes. If the Mclaren doen't let him down, I think he has a better chance at the Championship than Alonso.

I am looking forward to Nurburgring where hopefully there will be some great passing moves again!

saadie said:
winning and loosing is gonna happen in the A1 gp ...
I agree!
I have followed A1 for a long time and can't wait for it to start!

[callen]

Michael is awesome! I saw the pass and it looked like he just stole the inside line from Ralph, it was his own fault for not protecting his space (well Schumi Sr. did jump on him pretty hard tho :wink: ) It was a great race with quite a few stunning passes.
I hope Ferrari picks up its pace soon, Michael still has a shot if he gets going, I think everyone has caught Renault, so the championship is still up for grabs! :D

[nejcdolinsek]

I agree with Michael... this isn't some stroll in the park. This is racing.

That said, its bovious why Rubens and Ralph aren't champions, while Schumi is...

[mindgam3]

For once, I think schumi has a right to be arrogant, not too much wrong with the overtaking - ralf and barichellos fault for being asleep ;)

[Max Power]

lets say that his overtake was much better executed than what JV tried
http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/2005/monaco/diapo_322.jpg

[5vz-fe]

Ralf has been complaining and dis-ing his brother alot lately. I remember they used to be very close until Williams-BMW are more competitive and the 2 has more chance of fighting for positions.

[|Nuno|]

Check out this pic of one of the Renault's rear tyres: :shock:

http://img264.echo.cx/img264/7312/052299l0mj.th.jpg (http://img264.echo.cx/my.php?image=052299l0mj.jpg)

They were very lucky to make it to the end without it blowing up...

[saadie]

^^ ... imo .. he should have tried harder to stay ahead of both the williams ... or atleast should ahve pushed a bit harder in the last couple of laps ....
cuz .. racing is all about risks .... truli tried but failed .. JV tried but failed .. schumi tried and suceeded .. well kinda ..... how yea get me

[dingo]

^^ ... imo .. he should have tried harder to stay ahead of both the williams ... or atleast should ahve pushed a bit harder in the last couple of laps ....
cuz .. racing is all about risks .... truli tried but failed .. JV tried but failed .. schumi tried and suceeded .. well kinda ..... how yea get me

I think he did the right thing, the risk wasn't worth it - if he went off then he gets no points, at least this way he still got 4th place and some valuable points :wink:
He had no chance to keep the Williams' cars behind him without being unfair and blocking them :)

[sikx5]

During Mid race, you could see the car getting closer and closer to walls...But amazingly Alonoso kept it together...

^^ ... imo .. he should have tried harder to stay ahead of both the williams ... or atleast should ahve pushed a bit harder in the last couple of laps ....
cuz .. racing is all about risks .... truli tried but failed .. JV tried but failed .. schumi tried and suceeded .. well kinda ..... how yea get me

U got a point there dude...but schui,trui, and that jackass villenurve had nothing to loose, they where all out to gain. Alonso could have lost out big time if he tried to keep the pace, something is better than nothing i guess.

[Max Power]

looking at that tire, I don't c 4 visible grooves...or is that not an issue any more

[|Nuno|]

looking at that tire, I don't c 4 visible grooves...or is that not an issue any more

The grooves aren't an issue anymore, but what amazes me is that it wore down to the carcass.