I want F1 Back!

[SFDMALEX]

Well I am really sick of this shit they made out of formula 1. These bullshit tire rules for instance. First of all they are a bloody safety hazard. They are bold at the end of the race, bold! Combine that with less downforce and you end up with consdirebly less grip in the rear...Why is that? I thought these assholes are all about safety. Oh and check out the race today, how many tire punctures they got? Thank God the track was recurcifed or else we'd have 5 cars on the last lap.

Then we get the bullshit qualifying. What the fuck is the point of it? What is this combined crap? Qualifying should be about the fastest guys taking the best spot on the grid. It should not affect race strategy, its racing at its purest form. I dont even bother watching the qual these days....because there is absolutly no point to it, because it really doesnt show who is the fastest guy.

I am really loosing interest in F1. I dont even know if I should bother waking up each morning. The pit stops are boring as hell too.

Yeah I'm a Ferrari fan, and I think Schumaher is the best driver out there, but the problem is that F1 has been turned into a boring ass sport just because a guy was too good for the rest of the field.

There might be more passing etc but that is more because of the bloody strategy and shit, and others misfortunes then pure racing.


Maybe its just me but Im pissed off..............


Rant over.

[saadie]

i totally agree .....
and you are so right about the qualification .......
ermm like today is my luckiest day .. i get P1 ... tomorro is my unluckiest day of all i just to P6 ... its fucking pathetic ...
whats a pitstop without a tyre change .... fuel stop ..... :? ... now who would want to see a car being filled up at a gas station unless its a F-40 ... its just lame ....
and yes MS is the best drive out there ...
btw there were 3 punctures :P

[mindgam3]

lol, seems to me you're pissed off because the reds are doing shite?

Fact is, almost all of the races this season have been far more entertaining than the last couple of seasons put together - must admit this last race wasnt the best but 1 crap out of however many we've had so far isnt too bad

[SFDMALEX]

lol, seems to me you're pissed off because the reds are doing shite?

Fact is, almost all of the races this season have been far more entertaining than the last couple of seasons put together - must admit this last race wasnt the best but 1 crap out of however many we've had so far isnt too bad

No Im pissed of because I come to sit down to watch the races knowing fuck all. And dont worry about the reds :wink:

I sit down knowing nothing. Who is actually running fast, who has how much fuel, and who's bold tires are going to prevent who from battling.

All the races have been entertaining? You want entertaining lets all put the drives in 20 indentical Clios and watch them race. Now that will be intertaining....I just dont like the way the entertainment is being brought..by bullshit strategy and other rubbish.

And really how many good races were there? Todays race was shit. Kimi had a stellar perfomance, and when there was a slight chance of getting some good podium battle we got two consequtive tire puncters, and a shit load of cars dnfed. The only entertaiment came from others misfortunes, like people not being able to push cause their tires are nearly balled and you need to have visible grooves for post race inspection....dont remember when it happend but it was with Rubens...made a comment about it on this forum somewere before.

[mindgam3]

You go watch you little clios then n stop complaining :P

As i said todays race wasnt tht good, but then again theres no big braking areas for overtakes at Barcelona.

The previous races this season have been miles more entertaining than the past couple of seasons.

F1 has always been tactical and strategic - at least the past 20 odd years or so anyway.


I sit down knowing nothing. Who is actually running fast, who has how much fuel, and who's bold tires are going to prevent who from battling.


Whats tht got to do with anything? :S Who is actually running fast - listen to the commentators and the on screen graphics. How much fuel - well no one except the teams know how much fuel the cars are running - although good guesses can be made after pit stops and the commentators, (at least ours anyway) tell you roughly how many laps of fuel they've put in. As for tires, no one knows if they are going bald or not - not even the teams except for checking at pit stops.

I dont think you can say tht the rules have had a negative effect on the racing as all but one race this season have been great.... this may be down to other factors but the new regs definately havent made the races worse

[sikx5]

I agree that the F1 has become more entertaining to a degree. But this tyre rule..i dont see the point, all the teams are dis-advantaged from it, more so Ferrari as they are only one of two teams running Bridgestone and have less data to compare, analyise.

If they just minus this tyre rule, it would be great viewing....

[|Nuno|]

Well, in my opinion the new regulations aren't the reason why some races have been more entretaining; actually I think it's the other way around. Both the tyre rule and the the new Quali are bullshit, and the new aero regulations have failed to increase overtaking...

The 1 engine for 2 weekends rule is also a joke. F1 is all about pushing as hard as you can, and not saving your engine or tyres.

As I see it, the only reason why this Season has been more entretaing is simply because there are more teams fighting for the victory, and not because of the new regulations.

[mindgam3]

As I see it, the only reason why this Season has been more entretaing is simply because there are more teams fighting for the victory, and not because of the new regulations.

Well why are there all the Ferrari fans screaming that the new rules were only implemented to stop ferrari?

Yet you say the only reason ferrari are trailing is because basically all other teams have improved more than the scuderia.

I didn't say the rules have had a positive effect, and the compitition as we see it is probably down to the other teams getting their arse in gear as you said. But its definately not had a negative effect in terms of entertainment

[|Nuno|]

I didn't say the rules have had a positive effect, and the compitition as we see it is probably down to the other teams getting their arse in gear as you said. But its definately not had a negative effect in terms of entertainment


When I say the rules didn't have a positive effect in racing I'm talking about the tyres and engines situation; i.e., having to spare your car/tyres and the crappy Quali. So I keep my position: the rules are poo and had a bad effect in terms of entertainment. :)


Well why are there all the Ferrari fans screaming that the new rules were only implemented to stop ferrari?

Yet you say the only reason ferrari are trailing is because basically all other teams have improved more than the scuderia.



Well, they were implemented to stop Ferrari and succeded to a certain extent (specially in the tyres area), but they're far from being the only reason for the bad results.

I'm a Ferrari fan since I was about 3 years old, so I'm used to not winning, and so I'll keep supporting my team regardless of their success or not, but this year they've dropped the ball (and the others improved as said before). The car is fast, but the luck and reliability just aren't there...

Ah, and I'm not "all Ferrari fans". :wink:

[5vz-fe]

I think the link to Ferrari's poor performance this season is down to the tires. It is a fair game however, coz Ferrari could do unlimited testing while other teams are restrained to 30 days. They have only themselves to blame coz they haven't done enough tire testing during the pre-season.

That said, SFDMALEX do have a point, pitstop without tire change is very unexciting. Qualifying is ridculous, but Mosely did promise the old 12 lap qualifying will be back. As for the engine rule, I actually liked it coz it makes it interesting to see which team's engine blew up first.

I am a Ferrari fan myself, and after today's race, I am a fustrated Ferrari fan. But hey, that's what other non-ferrari fans feel like for the past....5? 6? years so I can live with that and hope Ferrari will pull their act together with Bridgestone and make a come back.

[phantomfocus]

As far as I am concerned, Bridgestone has brought this upon themselves. They openly admit that they care for ferrari more than anyone else. In turn the teams have left for Michelin. Bridgestone refused to give the other teams the attention and time they deserved. Now Bridgestone can't gather enough data to fix there situation. They and Ferrari will get it back but it will take time.

I do think the competition is a byproduct of the new rules. The FIA changed things up so much that there was now a lot of room for improvement in three major areas (tires, aero, and engines) All teams have reacted differently to these changes and therefore has created a little more level playing field. Todays race would have probably been more exciting had BAR been there. But they are serving a penalty that is worthy of their crime.

[ZfrkS62]

this season is getting really frustrating for me. neither of my favorite teams are doing well. Ferrari is haveing alot of problems getting both cars to the finish line and their tires have been the main culprit. Barrichello has fast become Ferrari's reliable driver, even though he couldn't catch DC for 1 point.

BMW is having problems of their own. i think today was the first race they made it to the finish line together since the P84/5 can't seem to make it through it's second race weekend :?

there are really only two things i want changed, and it seems to be the same 2 things everyone else wants. 1) The return of tire changing and 2) 12 lap qualifying back.

The engine rule is all fine and good, mainly because of the fact that all the teams will eventually save money if they use half the number of engines in a season, even though the engines are more expensive to develop because they must last 4 times as long on the same amount of power.

[SFDMALEX]

Now that Im cooled off I'll have another go.

The problem I see is that whole race looks like a joke, sorry but it does. Alonso yo-yoing, fast slow this that because of his tires warping etc.

Dont remeber what race it was, was one of the earlier races were Rubens had the speed but simply had to conserve his tires so he couldnt push or else he'd be running on slicks in the end of it all, with rubber being really thin, there fore cold and he wouldnt pass the post race inspection if he finished with slicks.

The new Aero rules didnt help passing at all. I didnt think about it at first but I was talking to Dan the other day were he said the new rules are shit because at Imola, Schumi with his great pase still could not pass Alonso, just because he could come too close because his front end would have no grip.

Then we get this tire rule which makes the whole show rubbish. Conservative driving, this that...

Its just not about hitting the pedal to the metal anymore, its pedal to the metal then put a squash ball between the pedal and the metal so you dont push too hard the tires that you warped when you were flooring it.


So all of these new rules end up in nothing but bad racing. And I agree the competition is better because teams got better not because of the rules. Were the rules intact we'd have a bloody good show.


So new tire rule= fuckall.

Qualfying= they should rename it to something else cause I dont see how its qualiying in any form, another joke....

Aero= useless, didnt improve shit, just made the teams SPEND MORE MONEY on devolping tottaly new rear aero instead of working on the old stuff and spending LESS MONEY in the process, and it looks like less money is what the assholes are trying to do.

[ZfrkS62]

the aero rules didn't help shit for one reason: they didn't keep the teams from grafting new wongs onto the cars. Because of this they got 95.5% of their aero efficiency back.

Now with the shit ass tires they have to use, it really screws over the aerodynamics because they are useful at a certain speed, and into the corners. (this was the problem with the walrus tusks of the FW26) With Schumi sticking his nose under the gear box of Alonso, it shot his front wing to hell, especially when he stepped out to look down the inside.

lets just get back to the 2002-2003 aero and tire rules and let the teams make some new decisions from there.

and on the Ferrari/Bridgstone debacle: Ferrari needs to deflate their egos and let the other teams test the bridgestones alongside them so that they can gain more data. None of the Bridgestone teams are quite as fast as Ferrari so there goes some of the slower speed temp. data

[SFDMALEX]

Its going to boring again soon trust me mate. I mean Ferrari is most definetly top 3 if not the faster car out there, only issue is realibility and they need to work on their qualiying strategy.

Next race Schumi gets a new engine, the car is definetly fast, I can really see a victory for Ferrari there. And by the time Europe hits I think Ferrari will be all sorted...so its going to be "boring again"

Ferrari is fast, really fast, just some odd reliability issues which I am more then suer they will sort out.

Oh and if we do get a 12 lap qualy system back, its Schumi on pole and Schumi winning everything again :lol:

[ZfrkS62]

This year is entertaing mid pack, but up front, with the exception of Imola, it's still boring as all hell. I don't like seeing the leader decimate the field the way Schumacher did last year, and like Alonso did in the first 3 races, and like KR did today.

The only reason last season held my interest is because i wanted to see if Schumi could keep his streak going.

[Max Power]

well, last year, Renault had a compromised car because of the change of engine type, McLaren was smoking engines like Castro, Williams had a walrus hanging off their nose and the only team that's wasn't running underdeveloped machinery finsihed 2nd to Ferrari. So I figure there was no need for random bs to start screwing with F1, because the teams figured it out for themselves.

[ZfrkS62]

Mercedes and Honda were both grenading engines. only differences is the better driver for Honda somewhow managed to keep his intact :wink:

once BMW did away with the walrus nose, they jumped right into the fight, however it was too late in the season to make a huge threat.

[DeMoN]

LOL momentrs like this makes me happy to not own a TV.

[mindgam3]

Ferrari haven't just got a non winning car because of bridgestone although they are a large factor.

Ferrari took the decision to go into 2005 with basically their old car thinking they would still be competitive - obviously this was not the case and hence why they were forced to bring in their unfinished 2005 car in a few races early which has been an inconvienience for them to say the least.

I think it says it all when ferrari have had very very few technical problems over the past 3 years or so and this season they've had some every race weekend.... alot from the gearbox which was one of the main reasons the F2005 was going to be brought in later but they had to rush to finish it to get it in earlier.

One of the main reasons McLaren are so fast is because thier car inherently looks after their tyres. If ferrari and other teams havent built their car well enough around the tyres then thats thier problem.

You complain about Ferrari being on Bridgestone and are so disadvantaged.... i didn't see anyone complaining last year, or the year before when Bridgestone and Michelin had the same testing difference yet Bridgstone were in the lead with ferrari?

My view, and the view of the mass majority of the press is that this season has been exciting...

Why? because there's more teams challenging for the top spots and its become alot more unpredictable ;)

[5vz-fe]

We (or at least I) didn't complain Ferrari being on Bridgestone are disadvantage. We think that the tire rule is plain stupid that's all. All other types of auto racing change tires during pitstops while F1, the leading motorsport, change tires only when they are punctured/damaged. Umm..part of all the rule changes are in the name for safety, I really don't see how safe it is to have a tire puncture/damage in the middle of a highspeed corner.

Beside the new tire rule, I've always felt the 10 pace back for an engine change is abit too harsh. If you want the race more exciting, they should change that rule to 4 points deduction. (ie. If you win, you get 6 points instead of 10)... That way, the car will still be able to compete with the corresponding pack. 10 paces back in a slow circuit like monaco will translate to game over. How unpredictable is that?

[SFDMALEX]

We (or at least I) didn't complain Ferrari being on Bridgestone are disadvantage. We think that the tire rule is plain stupid that's all. All other types of auto racing change tires during pitstops while F1, the leading motorsport, change tires only when they are punctured/damaged. Umm..part of all the rule changes are in the name for safety, I really don't see how safe it is to have a tire puncture/damage in the middle of a highspeed corner.

Beside the new tire rule, I've always felt the 10 pace back for an engine change is abit too harsh. If you want the race more exciting, they should change that rule to 4 points deduction. (ie. If you win, you get 6 points instead of 10)... That way, the car will still be able to compete with the corresponding pack. 10 paces back in a slow circuit like monaco will translate to game over. How unpredictable is that?

What he said.

[sameerrao]

OK if this is a wish list about what we want ... I want my hair back. And be quick about it.

As for F1 - I think the next couple races should be good with Mclaren, Ferrari and Renault battling out. I give the edge to Mclaren though for consistently fast race pace.

[5vz-fe]

OK if this is a wish list about what we want ... I want my hair back. And be quick about it.

LMAO!!!!