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I have recently read some rumours that ferrari intends to bring up new versions of the 430 faster which is probably true considering the spider is here already. A challenge version packing 530hp is allegedly the next one to come and it might be unveiled as soon as in Frankfurt. Why would they do it ? To boost sales ? Probably not as there already is a pretty long queue for the 430. As some rumours indicate the 430 might be on the market for lets say 3 years only until the actual 360's successor arrives.
So lets get down to it.
The next "modena" might use either an uprated V8 or a brand new V10. It will combine both coupe and cab versions as it is said to use the cutting-edge folding roof previously seen on the 575 Superamerica, which I find it possible but I'd say that its possible CS version will shed this system to reduce weight.
bmwmpower
03-21-2005, 11:52 AM
I have recently read some rumours that ferrari intends to bring up new versions of the 430 faster which is probably true considering the spider is here already. A challenge version packing 530hp is allegedly the next one to come and it might be unveiled as soon as in Frankfurt. Why would they do it ? To boost sales ? Probably not as there already is a pretty long queue for the 430. As some rumours indicate the 430 might be on the market for lets say 3 years only until the actual 360's successor arrives.
So lets get down to it.
The next "modena" might use either an uprated V8 or a brand new V10. It will combine both coupe and cab versions as it is said to use the cutting-edge folding roof previously seen on the 575 Superamerica, which I find it possible but I'd say that its possible CS version will shed this system to reduce weight.
WTF, thats brutal 530 hp, now i think needs Ferrari somethink cheaper,slower, this power cars are growing brutal fast, 6 years back modena had 400 hp
The 430CS is obviously going to be targetting a different audience. How many footballers have you seen driving a 360CS? Now compare that to 360 Modena/Spider drivers. I think the 430CS will be even more hardcore than the 360CS, as the standard 430 is pretty pointy already.
I can't wait to hear the 430CS.... the 360CS is just brutal 8)
astonmartinandy
03-21-2005, 12:42 PM
I just hope that in all of this Ferrari doesn't just lose the point. Yes power is always important, but getting into an AMG-esque quest for power may detract from the overall essence and handling of a Ferrari. :?
What's more the challenge version I mentioned above is not the CS version you're talking about on which no word has been dropped yet... So there will eventually be a challenge version ( a slightly lighter more powerful version of the 430 ) and a stradale version, which will probably have the same engine but the weight reduction will be much more significant.
What's more the challenge version I mentioned above is not the CS version you're talking about on which no word has been dropped yet... So there will eventually be a challenge version ( a slightly lighter more powerful version of the 430 ) and a stradale version, which will probably have the same engine but the weight reduction will be much more significant.
Is the challenge version going to be road-legal, or just a strict track-car?
I think they will use the same product staging as with the 360...
430 Modena
430 Spider
430 Challenge Race Car
430 Challenge Stradale
I can't imagine them releasing a 430 Challenge for the road, with only a few BHP advantage and a little weight saving.
And the worries about Ferrari becoming an AMG-esque power hungry company aren't that accurate.
They are increasing the power, but making the cars handle it better. Putting the 480BHP engine from the 430 into a 355 would make the 355 worse. The engine evolution has to work in tandem with the evolution of the chassis development, and i'm sure we won't be seeing Ferraris tripping over themselves because they have too much power in the near future :wink:
Is the challenge version going to be road-legal, or just a strict track-car?
I think they will use the same product staging as with the 360...
430 Modena
430 Spider
430 Challenge Race Car
430 Challenge Stradale
I can't imagine them releasing a 430 Challenge for the road, with only a few BHP advantage and a little weight saving.
Well, I'm not sure about the tag it will wear, but there allegedly will be a more powerful (520-530hp), slightly lighter (CCM and sport seats as standart I reckon), version of the 430 released sooner than we might expect... And as far as I know it's not the CS version and it's definitely road legal intended for the street.
It's just a rumour though so take it with a grain of salt.
mindgam3
03-21-2005, 02:25 PM
I doubt they will make a challenge for the road, thats exactly what the CS is....
The only reason they bought out the spider so quickly compared to the 360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
I doubt they will make a challenge for the road, thats exactly what the CS is....
The only reason they bought out the spider so quickly compared to the 360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
Hmm.. I see and it definitely makes sense... I would actually be very surprised if they made a successor so early as the 430 is such an astonishing car.
bmagni
03-21-2005, 03:46 PM
I doubt they will make a challenge for the road, thats exactly what the CS is....
The only reason they bought out the spider so quickly compared to the 360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
Hmm.. I see and it definitely makes sense... I would actually be very surprised if they made a successor so early as the 430 is such an astonishing car.
its not a succesor ! its just another version of the 430 model, the 360 CS wasnt a succesor to the modena, it was a challenge version for the street, not the new modena the succesor ws the 430
I doubt they will make a challenge for the road, thats exactly what the CS is....
The only reason they bought out the spider so quickly compared to the 360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
Hmm.. I see and it definitely makes sense... I would actually be very surprised if they made a successor so early as the 430 is such an astonishing car.
its not a succesor ! its just another version of the 430 model, the 360 CS wasnt a succesor to the modena, it was a challenge version for the street, not the new modena the succesor ws the 430
Ohh, a misunderstanding. I meant the successor (F500) and not the challenge version - this thread is actually about the successor hence if i say "successor" one should know I mean the successor and not another version of the 430. :)
Initially I started this thread saying Ferrari was gonna bring out new versions faster because the successor (f500) is already on its way.. Mindgam3 has possibly enlightened me explaining why the spider has arrived that early ( because they did not have to develop the roof mechanism as in case of the f360 they just lifted it from the f360) hence the successor might not be that close which doesn't really surprise me as the 430 is a fabulous car and there is no need for a replacement that early. See ?
I doubt they will make a challenge for the road, thats exactly what the CS is....
The only reason they bought out the spider so quickly compared to the 360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
I remember reading that somewhere.... evo perhaps??
That is the truth, and so there should have been no suprise at the (relatively) early release of the 430 Spider. It's just that the 360 Spider was a bit of a late comer.
It's just a rumour though so take it with a grain of salt.
I agree, but fun to discuss anyway :wink:
I agree, but fun to discuss anyway :wink:
Yes, indeed. But the thing is that the thread is supposed to be about the F430 successor and we just keep discussing the 430 only. :)
The next "modena" might use either an uprated V8 or a brand new V10. It will combine both coupe and cab versions as it is said to use the cutting-edge folding roof previously seen on the 575 Superamerica, which I find it possible but I'd say that its possible CS version will shed this system to reduce weight.
What do you think? :)
Yes, indeed. But the thing is that the thread is supposed to be about the F430 successor and we just keep discussing the 430 only. :)
Whoops :oops:
With concerns to the V10... it seems a natural evoultion, yet Ferrari have always maintained a smaller, more nimble V8 (430) and a V12 GT (a la 575/612). The V10 wouldn't have as much significance as it would if they had one today. The move to V8 in F1 would make a V10 just odd, but to have one now seems a pretty good marketing idea.
The folding roof is interesting... do you mean there will be no Modena/Spider versions... just a CC (Coupe/Cabriolet)???
Another point made in the evo article in which some guy (pretty high up) at Ferrari was interviewed, was the fact that the 430 shunned a folding roof (as did the 360 - they did have the technology, and the money then). The system is obviously much heavier than the electric/canvas roof. The folding hardtop weighs more due to the hydraulics. The car's handling would also suffer due to the raised centre of gravity, and the increased weight - this may be the reason to upgrade to a V10.... the V8's are pretty stressed at 480HP :(
One thing i would like to see is a 575 replacement. The car's getting old, even though the HGTC is amazing, it really is outdated. They need to hurry that up, and the revised 612 is due (not sure.... don't quote me :P ).
ikon2003
03-21-2005, 10:04 PM
any source for these rumors?
raphaelws
03-21-2005, 11:35 PM
It will be nice to see.. F430 Challenge Stradale!
8) 8) 8)
The folding roof is interesting... do you mean there will be no Modena/Spider versions... just a CC (Coupe/Cabriolet)???
That's exactly what I've heard. If so the "coupe" will have to carry the heavy mechanism :| so it definitely wouldn't be a lightweight ride.
any source for these rumors?
Various discussion forums (rennteam, ferrarichat) ---> dealers allegedly.
The folding roof is interesting... do you mean there will be no Modena/Spider versions... just a CC (Coupe/Cabriolet)???
That's exactly what I've heard. If so the "coupe" will have to carry the heavy mechanism :| so it definitely wouldn't be a lightweight ride.
Well, i doubt Ferrari will try to do that too soon. They would have to do a load of R&D to see if they could make it (the mechanism) lighter. I guess we need to bookmark this thread, then when the 500(???) does come, we can see what we predicted, and compare it to the outcome 8)
jakaracman
03-22-2005, 08:29 AM
360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
The reason is that most of F430 sold wil be Spiders (55%, actually, says Ferrari). As they are also more expensive (6-7% in US, 9-10 in EU), they'll make more money of them, so they introduced them earlier.
And just a bit about the roof: Ferrari did not design the roof and doesn't make it. It's made in Germaniuy, by the same company that does roofs for 911, Boxter, Corvette, SL & SLK ...
360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
The reason is that most of F430 sold wil be Spiders (55%, actually, says Ferrari). As they are also more expensive (6-7% in US, 9-10 in EU), they'll make more money of them, so they introduced them earlier.
And just a bit about the roof: Ferrari did not design the roof and doesn't make it. It's made in Germaniuy, by the same company that does roofs for 911, Boxter, Corvette, SL & SLK ...
Nope.... mindgam3 is right. It was in an interview.
BTW - we know Ferrari did't design the hood, but it had to be designed for Ferrari by this other company.... they didn't take it off the shelf :wink:
mindgam3
03-22-2005, 09:44 AM
360 is because they already had the basic structure and hood mechanism from the 360. The only reason the 360 spider came out later was because they had to design the hood mechanism
The reason is that most of F430 sold wil be Spiders (55%, actually, says Ferrari). As they are also more expensive (6-7% in US, 9-10 in EU), they'll make more money of them, so they introduced them earlier.
And just a bit about the roof: Ferrari did not design the roof and doesn't make it. It's made in Germaniuy, by the same company that does roofs for 911, Boxter, Corvette, SL & SLK ...
Doesen't matter who made them - the reason the 360 spider was late, and the reason the 430 spider was introduced at almost the same time as its coupe counterpart was because they had to wait for the hood mechnism to be finished for the former, and it is exactly the same for the latter. ;)
jakaracman
03-22-2005, 06:48 PM
A misunderstaninding. It's true that they waited for a roof for 360, but if 430 spider was a less sold car (like 20 or 30%, like M3 ...) it would be launched quite a bit later, to freshen up 430 image and recognition. As it is a most sold F430, it was launcehed fast (that from guys from Ferrari that I spoke with).
Roof manufacturer info was just for fun. And it's CTS, Car Top Systems ... Of course the roof was designed at Ferrari request and guidelines, who would design a roof with no customer in sight?
DeMoN
03-22-2005, 08:39 PM
If the current 430 performs like an Enzo, will the 530HP one beat it? Do you think they will want that to happen? I mean having a car that beats their Enzo which wasnt released long ago...
ikon2003
03-22-2005, 10:00 PM
any source for these rumors?
Various discussion forums (rennteam, ferrarichat) ---> dealers allegedly.
interesting. i'll wait for some more solid info before entertaining this possibility. i've yet to soak up the full experience of the still new (believe it or not :wink: ) F430.
If the current 430 performs like an Enzo, will the 530HP one beat it?
Even the 530hp version would not perform like an Enzo neither in terms of straight-line acceleration nor handling. But it would be pretty close I have to admit. But the point is the Enzo was all about rather exclusivity and Ferrari themselves admit that it wasn't supposed to break any records or take on the F1 it just should have commemorated the founder of the company. The forthcoming F60 (or Super Enzo) is a different case though.
|Nuno|
04-02-2005, 07:22 PM
w00t! I'm back! :D
Anyway, back on topic:
I doubt this is true... The F430 is selling rather well and its performance is at least a match for the direct competitors. And keep in mind that Ferrari is a small company, so they don't have the resources to build a complete new car in such a short period of time.
I could believe in this if we were talking about a "new" model like the 355 was for the 348 or the F430 is for the 360 Modena, but since the F"Idon'tknowhat" will have a complete new platform, this is highly unlikely...
But I'm sure that part of this is true... Keep in mind that around 1994, after finishing the development of the 355, the 360 was already being developed.
So, I'm sure that work is already being done on the F430's replacement, but we shouldn't see it before 2009.
As for the suposed V10, it's again highly unlikely, since the F430's V8 is a new engine so it wouldn't make sense to drop it just after 5 years or so...
And I remember hearing somewhere from a well positioned source that future Ferrari's will be smaller, lighter and that handling will be even more the main concern, while power (since it's already so high) won't be a so big concern. Hence, the V10 makes no sense.
The F430 is selling rather well and its performance is at least a match for the direct competitors.
Understatement of the year :wink:
The Spider (correctly spelt) has a 3yr waiting list in the UK apparently. They are making as many as they want to sell.... there will always be a buyer.
As for performance.... it beats the Gallardo, but that's besides the point. When have you ever seen a 430 at the smae set of lights as another supercar... never! So it will be the fastest thing on the road-everytime.... except when big-bro Enzo crashes the party - not very likely.
:wink:
|Nuno|
04-04-2005, 08:09 AM
The F430 is selling rather well and its performance is at least a match for the direct competitors.
Understatement of the year :wink:
Hehe, I know, I was just being friendly with the competition... :mrgreen:
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