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TT
03-16-2005, 10:58 PM
After reading various comments about our damn minime, I decided to set up this little test... and I am asking you to contribute:

please, go to the Alfa delaership and buy a bran new Alfa Romeo GT. Change its oil, and bone stock, take it to the "world circuits" section, go to the nurburgring nordschliefe and enter the free driving option. Then just launch your minimi on track without touching the settings (not that you could change much.. just the aids, wich we can leave as standard I guess).
Let him drive 5 laps and let us know his fastest lap (and set him on lvl 5: push)

I can't do it myself beeing in the mid of the F1 championship (wich is damn long), but we have two entries at least.

We want to see how B-spec points modify the laptime.. no need to cheat here dudes ;) thanks..

So, we have (setting "5") only

TT - 4200 skill points - 8:39.097
Pimp Racer - between 5000 and 6000 - 8:40.169
gis - 0 B-Spec points - 8:40.213
dingo - 600 points - 8:40.889
RC45 - 3343 points - 8:41.119
Dan\/6 - around 2800 B-Spec points - 8:42.941
tuffguy - 8355 points - 8'54.485

As you can see, it is damn weird already :D

I have around 3800 points, can't wait to check it out myself

TransAm
03-16-2005, 11:00 PM
Woohoo! GT4 gets its own section!

Edit: My minime managed 'round the ring as follows:

Best lap 8'43".210 (5 laps, on setting 5 'push' - I didn't mess with the driving aids)

I didn't check my B-Spec points 'til afterwards, however the stats are:

2841 B Spec points, Race 37, Course 30, Battle 25

:)

I went round myself after but its the first time I have done a whole lap of the ring, and of course, the first time I drove the Alfa: 9'04" not that I am boasting about my time...

TT
03-16-2005, 11:02 PM
Thanks :D it's time to go to bed here, but definitely tomorrow I should complete the damn championship to see it with my own eyes :D

BTW, Dan did a 8:25 lap driving himself the same car..

laurent.missbauer
03-16-2005, 11:08 PM
yep as TT said right after I let 'minime' do his 5 lap run I also had a quick go..
1 flying lap and it was 8:25:958, not great but again, my first ever lap with that car so not the fastest possible by a long shot, and the only changes I made to car setup were to put both ACS settngs to 0 and TCS to 1

quick screenie switched to rear view to verify the car
http://img185.exs.cx/img185/1062/img03323ak.th.jpg (http://img185.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img185&image=img03323ak.jpg)

dingo
03-16-2005, 11:15 PM
umm which track within the World Circuits are we suppose to race at? :?

EDIT: stupid me, judging by the lap time and Dans screenshot it must be the 'Ring :oops:

crowngroup
03-16-2005, 11:22 PM
yep its the nurburgring nordschliefe :)

(edited that into TT's post too)

dingo
03-16-2005, 11:35 PM
Ok my little shit has done his 5 laps and the best time was 8:40.889.....and that was with about 600 B-Spec points so it seems the less you have the faster he is :P

RC45
03-17-2005, 01:48 AM
Mini-Me had 3343, 43, 31 and 32 points and ran

8:48.xxx on setting 3 (steady)
8:40.368 on setting 4 (fast)
8:41.119 on setting 5 (push)

I left the car as purchased - just with added oil. Even left the TCS and ACS settings stock.

Afetr the little run session mini-me went from 3343 to 3947 and 43 to 55 and 31 to 40 and battle skill stayed at 32.

Go figure.

Oh yeah - my best after throwing the wallowing Alfa-sofa-bed around the 'Ring was a pitiful 8:51... ;)

tuffguy
03-17-2005, 03:23 AM
B-spec: 8355 (94-84-82)

setting 2 - 8'39.432
setting 3 - 8'35.881
setting 4 - 8'52.242 (slid off track like crazy)
setting 5 - 8'54.485 (ditto)


F1 - 5'37.366 (setting 5)

TT
03-17-2005, 06:42 AM
Shit, impressive lap on setting 3 tuff!!

mindgam3
03-17-2005, 08:27 AM
8'40.950 for me on 4 (accidently hit 4 from the start and cant be bothered to check out 3 right now ;))

Got roughly 6000 B spec points

dutchmasterflex
03-17-2005, 10:36 AM
great idea TT, will do this as soon as i get home from work ;)

but why an Alfa GT? :P

TransAm
03-17-2005, 10:39 AM
great idea TT, will do this as soon as i get home from work ;)

but why an Alfa GT? :P

I suspect this might have been Dan's idea :wink:

RC45
03-17-2005, 11:11 AM
The more I look the more I think that the B-Spec skill is a racing line programmed inot the game on a per car/per track basis.

The PD guys only refined certain car/track combos and didn't finish the rest.

How else does one explain that while my B-Spec guy can just about drive a Chaperal for one lap without crashing on any track on setting 3 or 4 --- yet he can pilot an F1, an M3, an SLR and an EVO modified to the max to super-track records on every track he goes on without so much as an error when on setting 5.

You can see how the AI takes the same line (even if it is wrong) and repeats the same errors and successes over and over on the same tracks.

gis
03-17-2005, 11:27 AM
yep as TT said right after I let 'minime' do his 5 lap run I also had a quick go..
1 flying lap and it was 8:25:958, not great but again, my first ever lap with that car so not the fastest possible by a long shot, and the only changes I made to car setup were to put both ACS settngs to 0 and TCS to 1

quick screenie switched to rear view to verify the car
http://img185.exs.cx/img185/1062/img03323ak.th.jpg (http://img185.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img185&image=img03323ak.jpg)

i tried myself and i beat your time Dan WOO HOO,lol see....

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/2671/00009869iz.th.jpg (http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=00009869iz.jpg)

i shall be honest though,that was done on lap 2,my first lap was just under half a second slower than your time

tuffguy
03-17-2005, 11:39 AM
How else does one explain that while my B-Spec guy can just about drive a Chaperal for one lap without crashing on any track on setting 3 or 4 --- yet he can pilot an F1, an M3, an SLR and an EVO modified to the max to super-track records on every track he goes on without so much as an error when on setting 5.
Those are better balanced, modern cars to begin with. Have you tried driving a Chaperal? :P

RC45
03-17-2005, 11:43 AM
How else does one explain that while my B-Spec guy can just about drive a Chaperal for one lap without crashing on any track on setting 3 or 4 --- yet he can pilot an F1, an M3, an SLR and an EVO modified to the max to super-track records on every track he goes on without so much as an error when on setting 5.
Those are better balanced, modern cars to begin with. Have you tried driving a Chaperal? :P

Yes I have, and am vastly better at driving the Chaperal than the AI driver, all the AI has to do is slow down sooner - something it apparently can't do, and I didn't mentiion how badly the AI drives a slew of other "modern" cars.

The point I am making is that the AI is better in certain cars on certain tracks - and alwasy the same predictable failures and successes in the same cars. And the list of well-behaving car-AI pairs is not a true indication of the vehicle capabilities - but rather an indication of which car-AI pairs were actually finished.

tuffguy
03-17-2005, 11:54 AM
Agreed. Sometimes it does some amazing, at the limit drifting, and sometimes it can't even take a simple turn.

RC45
03-17-2005, 11:56 AM
Agreed. Sometimes it does some amazing, at the limit drifting, and sometimes it can't even take a simple turn.

Yes -- this my frustration... ;)

mindgam3
03-17-2005, 12:03 PM
Well we don't know how complicated B Spec mode is.

For example, the drivers experience could depend on what type of tracks it drives, what type (power/drivetrain/age/etc), what position it finishes, how long its raced for, how much it wins by, how much time its raced with a particular car etc etc.

Or it could just depend on how many B spec points you have (which depends on races won basically), which going by the results doesen't seem to be the case.

I'm sure all car-AI pairs were "finished" as you can get much faster times by changing the set up of the car - no matter which car. My experience is that it responds better to a more neutral handling car - eg minimum under/oversteer.

Traction control seems to play a major part too - eg on a high powered car, 4,5 or 6 seems to be the optimum setting for minime.

For a lower powered car it seems, 1 or 2 is much faster.

Would be interesting to here from Sony what factors effect B Spec as some areas as you say seem fairly random. There could be flaws or it may just be a fairly complicated system that has many factors introduced.

RC45
03-17-2005, 12:39 PM
I would have hoped that after 24hrs of racing at LeMans, the AI would be able to remember to brake for the first turn after the Mulsanne - but he seems to randomly forget unless he is in the F1 or M3 for example.

Put him in an LMP and he mostly just blunders off the track into the kitty litter then recovers.

So I would love some kind of explanaiton from PD as to how we should use and expect to use these features.

Such a complex and in depth game wth a 5 page booklet... that spends more time warning about epilepsy and TV damage than howto use the features.. ;)

LUC1FER
03-17-2005, 03:19 PM
i tried myself and i beat your time Dan WOO HOO,lol see....

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/2671/00009869iz.th.jpg (http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=00009869iz.jpg)

i shall be honest though,that was done on lap 2,my first lap was just under half a second slower than your time

ok smarty pants.. 3 more laps and I did this
http://img178.exs.cx/img178/1061/img03355tj.th.jpg (http://img178.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img178&image=img03355tj.jpg)

still fucked up a few times :(

TransAm
03-17-2005, 03:22 PM
Dan, what is your definition of fucked up? Off the track completely or missing a couple of perfect lines? :?

Edit: Having done it myself now and taken 30s longer, I think I have answered my own question on that one...

tuffguy
03-17-2005, 03:50 PM
tuffguy - 8800 points - 8'54.485

Actually, it says in my post that it was 8'35.881 and I only have 8355 points.

RC45
03-17-2005, 03:58 PM
I am beginning to wonder if as the cars in different versions of the game have different handleing.. ;)

dutchmasterflex
03-17-2005, 04:59 PM
i remember reading that people who had the japanese version and then bought the US version said that cars handled differently...

RC45
03-17-2005, 05:08 PM
So they are faking good handling for the Alfas in Europe... :P

gis
03-17-2005, 05:38 PM
i tried myself and i beat your time Dan WOO HOO,lol see....

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/2671/00009869iz.th.jpg (http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=00009869iz.jpg)

i shall be honest though,that was done on lap 2,my first lap was just under half a second slower than your time

ok smarty pants.. 3 more laps and I did this
http://img178.exs.cx/img178/1061/img03355tj.th.jpg (http://img178.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img178&image=img03355tj.jpg)

still fucked up a few times :(

son of a bitch,LOL

right thats it,u know what im gonna be trying 2nite,lol

RC45
03-19-2005, 03:14 PM
Well - at 115 laps, my mini-me is 21 laps ahead of 2nd place 12 hours into the Nurburgring 24hrs.

He is driving one of my F1 cars... and turning in 5:50ish laps. He gets 2 laps before the medium tryes are shot.

The F1 car used to pull about 208mph down the long straight - but I guess after 6000 miles it is getting wornout - and only pulls about 198mph now.

It also looks like the mini-me AI drive rnever shifts into 7th gear either. :(

So - 5:50.xxx is the race lap time (in a 6,000 mile old F1 car) - what does your AI driver lap the 'Ring in?

tuffguy
03-19-2005, 03:22 PM
F1 - 5'37.366 (setting 5)
make that 5'37.097

:D

RC45
03-19-2005, 03:42 PM
F1 - 5'37.366 (setting 5)
make that 5'37.097

:D

Oh - did I mention that was at setting 3 - in an old wore out F1? And as he is pitting every 2 laps - that's not a flying lap either... :P

Wait till I let him do it with one of my fresh F1 cars... and do some flying laps.... :twisted:

mindgam3
03-19-2005, 05:34 PM
Mine did 6:15 in an Audi R8 on superhards during 24hour 'ring, so never really had a clear lap.

I reckon a 6 minute lap is on with quali tires, a 'ring setup and a clear track ;)

Pimp Racer
03-20-2005, 01:34 PM
Do'h how did I miss this thread? Anyways I will try it today. I think I got at least a few thousand B-Spec points?

*EDIT*
Ah WTF I will just go and fire up the PS2 rite now since its not me racing. :D

*EDIT AGAIN*
Alright just got done with my lap times and boy am I suprised as fuck?
I believe I got somewhere between 5000-6000 points on my bitch. :D

Lap #1: 8:40.169
Lap #2: 8:51.923
Lap #3: 8:47.507
Lap #4: 8:53.745
Lap #5: 8:42.491

Thats just VERY fucking odd right there!

TT
03-23-2005, 08:17 PM
Ok, I finally did it :D

My minion's stats are

4218
54
42
41

And he did..

set on 5 a 8:39.097
set on 4 a 8:38.937

then I tried to remove the ASM and let him with only TCS set at 1.. and watched a movie while he was lapping (The Eye BTW).

He did a total of 72 laps poor guy :D more than 1700 km :D

And he had a best lap of 8:37.346! Amazing :D

TT
03-23-2005, 08:20 PM
tuffguy - 8800 points - 8'54.485

Actually, it says in my post that it was 8'35.881 and I only have 8355 points.

In the first post you see only the times achieved on setting 5

zr2man99
03-27-2005, 11:59 PM
RC, I believe that the F1 car never gets worn out because you can't give it an oil change. Mines got 5,000 miles on it and the HP is the same.

Setting 5 should not be called push, but rather drive like a dumbass. I find 4 is the fastest setting on most laps. Sometimes 3 is better because the chances of mistakes are lower. I usually never put it on 5 to catch up to the lead because he usually ends up doing worse (I just lose). My guy has like 7,800 points.

tuffguy
04-23-2005, 02:59 AM
8355 (94-84-82)

setting 2 - 8'39.432
setting 3 - 8'35.881
setting 4 - 8'52.242
setting 5 - 8'54.485
8710 (99-87-86)

setting 2 - 8'39.432
setting 3 - 8'35.881
setting 4 - 8'52.242
setting 5 - 8'54.485

:|:?:

Vansquish
04-23-2005, 04:10 AM
i tried myself and i beat your time Dan WOO HOO,lol see....

http://img131.exs.cx/img131/2671/00009869iz.th.jpg (http://img131.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img131&image=00009869iz.jpg)

i shall be honest though,that was done on lap 2,my first lap was just under half a second slower than your time

ok smarty pants.. 3 more laps and I did this
http://img178.exs.cx/img178/1061/img03355tj.th.jpg (http://img178.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img178&image=img03355tj.jpg)

still fucked up a few times :(

Alright boyo, wanna go?!?! ;-)

I had a few minor off-track excursions, but no wall-impacts on this lap...my first attempt at a lap was an 8:24, but then I had a major crash on the second lap...so I started over and this was the result:

http://img248.echo.cx/img248/1425/10028045po.th.jpg (http://img248.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028045po.jpg)

OK...not sure if you're interested, but I've got another challenge also on the Nordschleife. Go to the Super-License Final test and run it as fast as you can. I've made a total of 3 complete laps, the first was slightly outside of Silver, the second and third were both Gold.
http://img150.echo.cx/img150/8707/10028056ua.th.jpg (http://img150.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028056ua.jpg)

Picknick
04-23-2005, 08:48 AM
Alright boyo, wanna go?!?! ;-)

I had a few minor off-track excursions, but no wall-impacts on this lap...my first attempt at a lap was an 8:24, but then I had a major crash on the second lap...so I started over and this was the result:

http://img248.echo.cx/img248/1425/10028045po.th.jpg (http://img248.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028045po.jpg)

ok here ya go..
http://img175.echo.cx/img175/3359/gtnurb5pd.th.jpg (http://img175.echo.cx/my.php?image=gtnurb5pd.jpg)

as for other challenges why not try some of these http://www.ultimategt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=5 or make some of your own..

Vansquish
04-23-2005, 02:12 PM
Alright boyo, wanna go?!?! ;-)

I had a few minor off-track excursions, but no wall-impacts on this lap...my first attempt at a lap was an 8:24, but then I had a major crash on the second lap...so I started over and this was the result:

http://img248.echo.cx/img248/1425/10028045po.th.jpg (http://img248.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028045po.jpg)

ok here ya go..
http://img175.echo.cx/img175/3359/gtnurb5pd.th.jpg (http://img175.echo.cx/my.php?image=gtnurb5pd.jpg)

as for other challenges why not try some of these http://www.ultimategt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=5 or make some of your own..

LOL...back to it then :-D

edit: second lap out...
http://img148.echo.cx/img148/4718/10028085ov.th.jpg (http://img148.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028085ov.jpg)

xxe36m3xx
04-23-2005, 02:39 PM
can you do the same in arcade - timetrial mode where it actually shows car power/weight and tires used .. also what controller are you using ?

Vansquish
04-23-2005, 03:36 PM
using the logitech GT Force Pro and I'm on sports medium, with everything else stock, as for matching that lap in Arcade...yeah, I can try, but no guarantees lol :-)

edit: OK, here's the lap you wanted...it's about a tenth slower, but it's the best I can do in relatively short order. Again, the car is stock except for a car wash and some oil...everything else, including ASM/TCS is stock.
http://img84.echo.cx/img84/2577/10028094uu.th.jpg (http://img84.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028094uu.jpg)

Here's a settings pic too:
http://img195.echo.cx/img195/9366/10028104tv.th.jpg (http://img195.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028104tv.jpg)

arturo
04-23-2005, 06:28 PM
BTW I discovered I had never done an all change on this car.. result (better lap too, its not all because of the extra 11 bhp it gave me for the oil change)

http://img158.echo.cx/img158/9351/gtnurb8120vc.th.jpg (http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=gtnurb8120vc.jpg)

I have ACS/TCS all set to 0 ( I hate having a computer decide how to control the car :P )

I'll try in timetrial mode too because I'm not sure if the few extra horsepower you get in GT mode by doing an oil change also affects the arcade car :-/

edit:

arcade -> time trial within a few tenths .. definitely has a few less HP though :)
http://img257.echo.cx/img257/9971/timetrial8123jy.th.jpg (http://img257.echo.cx/my.php?image=timetrial8123jy.jpg)

Vansquish
04-23-2005, 11:33 PM
Well now...see that's no fair...I did all my testing with ASM and TCS in stock settings, i.e.. at 10, 10, and 7 in GT mode and just "on" in Arcade...I'm sure I could probably shave off a few more seconds with them off.

Ronster101
04-24-2005, 07:39 AM
Well now...see that's no fair...I did all my testing with ASM and TCS in stock settings, i.e.. at 10, 10, and 7 in GT mode and just "on" in Arcade...


well I said right from the start of the thread I wasn't using that ASM bullshit and had turned TC right down.. its not my fault you were so eager to jump in you didn't read the topic properly before replying ;)

Vansquish
04-24-2005, 01:08 PM
Well now...see that's no fair...I did all my testing with ASM and TCS in stock settings, i.e.. at 10, 10, and 7 in GT mode and just "on" in Arcade...


well I said right from the start of the thread I wasn't using that ASM bullshit and had turned TC right down.. its not my fault you were so eager to jump in you didn't read the topic properly before replying ;)

Fiiiiiiiine, I guess I can toss in a few laps without that junk (I'm not a fan either, had to completely change my driving style to suit it)...I'll post some pics in a bit :-P

tuffguy
04-25-2005, 02:22 PM
8355 (94-84-82)

setting 2 - 8'39.432
setting 3 - 8'35.881
setting 4 - 8'52.242
setting 5 - 8'54.485
8710 (99-87-86)

setting 2 - 8'39.432
setting 3 - 8'35.881
setting 4 - 8'52.242
setting 5 - 8'54.485

:|:?:
So, does anyone know what's going on? Even though my driver's at a higher level now, he got identical lap times. :?:

Pimp Racer
04-25-2005, 04:47 PM
Tuffguy maybe we can find out in the stragery guide? But then again a stragery guide for a racing game....is kinda usless except to teach newbies about the racing line and so on.

tuffguy
04-25-2005, 04:59 PM
Isn't the driver supposed to have AI? I thought that he was supposed to get better as he leveled up, but apparently that's not the case...

RC45
04-25-2005, 08:02 PM
Isn't the driver supposed to have AI? I thought that he was supposed to get better as he leveled up, but apparently that's not the case...

The driver does not get better.

My B-Spec twit has 15,000 miles in the F1 car - and still screws up at the same places on the same tracks - everytime.

Vansquish
04-25-2005, 08:17 PM
BTW I discovered I had never done an all change on this car.. result (better lap too, its not all because of the extra 11 bhp it gave me for the oil change)

http://img158.echo.cx/img158/9351/gtnurb8120vc.th.jpg (http://img158.echo.cx/my.php?image=gtnurb8120vc.jpg)

I have ACS/TCS all set to 0 ( I hate having a computer decide how to control the car :P )

I'll try in timetrial mode too because I'm not sure if the few extra horsepower you get in GT mode by doing an oil change also affects the arcade car :-/

edit:

arcade -> time trial within a few tenths .. definitely has a few less HP though :)
http://img257.echo.cx/img257/9971/timetrial8123jy.th.jpg (http://img257.echo.cx/my.php?image=timetrial8123jy.jpg)

O.K. Dan, I finally had some time to devote to our little 'Ring Challenge...
I removed all the driver's aids and left everything else stock...my laptimes fell sharply to between 8:10 and 8:13, but I had a feeling there was a little more, here's the result:
http://img255.echo.cx/img255/940/10028117kq.th.jpg (http://img255.echo.cx/my.php?image=10028117kq.jpg)

Mme Pompardour
04-25-2005, 11:14 PM
meh I dont think 3.30am is the right time to be doing this, so I only got close :P

http://img246.echo.cx/img246/1203/gt8107ou.th.jpg (http://img246.echo.cx/my.php?image=gt8107ou.jpg)

Vansquish
04-25-2005, 11:26 PM
LOL...yeah, prior to today most of my GT4 playing time has been around 2-4am hehe...tends to blunt the responses a bit :-P

RC45
04-25-2005, 11:29 PM
^^^ Isn't this thread for B-Spec drivers.. ;)

Vansquish
04-25-2005, 11:30 PM
^^^ Isn't this thread for B-Spec drivers.. ;)

Yeah, yeah, but I just decided I couldn't let Dan have all the fun :-P

tuffguy
04-26-2005, 03:14 AM
Isn't the driver supposed to have AI? I thought that he was supposed to get better as he leveled up, but apparently that's not the case...
The driver does not get better.

My B-Spec twit has 15,000 miles in the F1 car - and still screws up at the same places on the same tracks - everytime.
Mine has gotten better, which is why it was so shocking that he got identical times to those he got when he was at a lower level. I don't understand why...

A couple of improvements that I've noticed - he no longer rearends the other cars every time before passing them, and he no longer t-bones the walls every time.

RC45
04-26-2005, 08:51 PM
Isn't the driver supposed to have AI? I thought that he was supposed to get better as he leveled up, but apparently that's not the case...
The driver does not get better.

My B-Spec twit has 15,000 miles in the F1 car - and still screws up at the same places on the same tracks - everytime.
Mine has gotten better, which is why it was so shocking that he got identical times to those he got when he was at a lower level. I don't understand why...

A couple of improvements that I've noticed - he no longer rearends the other cars every time before passing them, and he no longer t-bones the walls every time.

Look again.

I have noticed the drivers behaviour does not change .

Go back to certain tracks and you will see he keeps screwing up.

Laguna Seca in the F1 car come to mind - many times spins out the corner before the pit entrance.

New York in the F1 and SLR - head first into the wall after the main straight.

Le Mans in the SLR - he fucks up royally the end of the Mulsanne.

After 15,000 miles and 200 laps you would think he would get Laguna correct.

I am of the opinion they made car/track racing line pairs - and never finished them all.

They then use an algoryth to determine how far off line he wanders.

The catch being that on some tracks "off line" puts the outside rear wheel in the dirt so you are one spin away from oblivion.. :)

This game has no AI.

None.

pipe
04-26-2005, 09:46 PM
This game has no AI.

None.

I have to agree.. also watch them racing in the group c cars at lemans , sometimes part way down the mulsanne they just turn hard left into the barrier and come to a halt for no reason, at the nurburgring they crash at the same corners all the time etc etc

SamuraiGti
08-24-2005, 12:38 PM
I tryed with my alfa gt, it was already tunned before i saw this thread, and the only things i forgot to take off was the racing flyweel and the weight reduction, and tcs at level 1, asm off.

I'll buy another one and try again, because of this one beeing tunned.

A-Spec 1 lap - 8.20.493

B-Spec - 7380

1st lap - level 5 - 8.50.588
2nd lap - level 4 - 8.46.639
3rd lap - level 3 - 8.27.962
4th lap - level 3 - 8.28.149
5th lap - level 3 - 8.29.480

I tryed 3 laps in b-spec with Audi R8, it has about 1059hp

1st lap - level 3 - 6.09.162
2nd lap - level 4 - 6.02.043
3rd lap - level 5 - 5.59.991

Where can I get the F1?