High speed pursuits

[dingo]

I was going to put this in the Political forum but thought better in here since most of us are too scared to visit that place :P

Anyway on to the topic, what are your opinions on high speed chases?
There have been a few which have ended up in deaths recently in Australia (incuding 2 in Perth, one of which was about 200m from my place :( ) and it has created a bit of a debate.
After each accident the families/friends of the dead have come out and blamed the police for causing their sons death, and in one case a whole suburb went out and rioted (throwing bricks, chairs and bottles at them etc) with cops for 3 nights straight in retaliation :(
I personally think that if the offenders decide to 'run' from the police and get involved in a high speed chase they are fully aware of what might happen and therefore responsible for it :wink: Certain people have come out and said that police should abort chases but I find that completely stupid as it gives the idiots an easy escape - just exceed the speed limit and cops will leave you alone :roll:
Enough from me - what do you think?

[heath]

hmm...hard call to make there mate, personally, I think police should chase the little bastards and if they're stupid enough to run then they're gonna get hurt. The law is there to protect the public. These morons are posing a very real threat to the public and they should be hunted down and punished.

[gigdy]

i Think if someone runs, the cops just need to find a faster way to kill them before they hurt any one else.

[RC45]

Simple - if the perp runs, and they have his plate/description, hold off at a distance and shadow them till they give up or fade away - then go to the persons home/work/school and pick em up.

If they don't have the plate description, follow/chase until they do get it then follow above procedure.

Then when they catch em, throw the book at em.

This way innocents don't get hurt - and people will know that, even though they "got away" - they are marked and wanted.

[RC45]

EDIT: I agree with RC on yet another subject..... :shock:

Uhm - be careful, otherwise people may find out I am not an arsehole in real life - but just play one on TV.. :P ;)

[antonioledesma]

i Think if someone runs, the cops just need to find a faster way to kill them before they hurt any one else.

for a faster killing... don't you need fast cars? and in a year or less some guy will have a faster car... and it goes on and on.
IMO... a helicopter should have a gigantic electromagnet and this way the heli could pull up the car being chased... :roll: I think I must stop seeing cartoons for a while

[jakaracman]

Simple - if the perp runs, and they have his plate/description, hold off at a distance and shadow them till they give up or fade away - then go to the persons home/work/school and pick em up.

If they don't have the plate description, follow/chase until they do get it then follow above procedure.

And if I steal the car/plates etc? How will they find me then. Or should I steal you car, so you get busted :wink:

Anyway, I do not support chases when traffic citations and similar are what we're talking about. In those cases you can safely assume that driver of the car is the owner of the car or knows the owner, so it's no problem picking him up later.

But when it's about serious crime, when you don't kno if the car is stole, meaning that you'll probably never find the person drivnig it, im for chase, but as short ass possible (and if possible done with roadblocks, helicopters, everything before proper car chase). That means using any means necesarry to stop the chased vehicle in the least amount of time, even if it means killing the driver - he chose to run, so he sholuld live (or not :twisted: ) with consequences. With exceptions of course, whn there's a person in car who could be innocent passenger (carjacking ...).

A co(p)mplicated subject, with many possibilites of an error. But criminals should be not let to run away - not even on foot. Just shoot them, they'll learn (better said: others will learn) not to run away from police.

[possessed_beaver]

RC45, we are talking more about stolen cars.

one thing needs to be taken into acount, they are usualy (always) Male, male drivers in fast cars.
when a cop turns it's lights on to pull them over there body does what it has being doing for the last 200 000 years, it activates it's "fight or flight" mechanism.. alot of adrenaline and other chemicals are released into the brain.. many of them block out people's perception of common sence, or even what's right or wrong..

they try and get away at all costs, make very stupid decisions (who hasen't watched a high speed chase on the TV and not thought "why diden't he do that" basicley the case is his body is so high on adrenaline.. and posibley other drugs, he wasen't thinking reasonabley) and as a result puts the inocent public at danger...

[RC45]

RC45, we are talking more about stolen cars.

one thing needs to be taken into acount, they are usualy (always) Male, male drivers in fast cars.
when a cop turns it's lights on to pull them over there body does what it has being doing for the last 200 000 years, it activates it's "fight or flight" mechanism.. alot of adrenaline and other chemicals are released into the brain.. many of them block out people's perception of common sence, or even what's right or wrong..

they try and get away at all costs, make very stupid decisions (who hasen't watched a high speed chase on the TV and not thought "why diden't he do that" basicley the case is his body is so high on adrenaline.. and posibley other drugs, he wasen't thinking reasonabley) and as a result puts the inocent public at danger...

Thats what insurance is for.

Once the car is heisted - game over. Just ket the fucker drive into a ditch.

Besides, it is normally NOT a fast car, but some piece of shit econobox weaving in and out of traffic "reaching speeds of 100mph"... this is where the cops should just shadow the fuckrs till they run out fo gas.

A chopper could simply follow the car and let the ground forces know where they are.

If there are only one or two cop cars on the ground, they should get close enough to get a description of the car/license and then just back off.

The fight or flight reaction of the cops is far more deadly than that of the prey.

[dingo]

If there are only one or two cop cars on the ground, they should get close enough to get a description of the car/license and then just back off.



but if the car (or the plates) is stolen then there is no point getting the details as it won't lead you to the criminals :)
The helicopter idea would work but our poor police service only has one I think so its not always practical :(

[jamberl]

dingo22, im an Australian too, and have been watching the recent incidents with interest. I just cannot believe the attitude of a community who will blame the police for someone crashing, when that person is involved in a high speed chase. Ummmmm but who's decision was it to run?? All the retard had to do was stop when the police asked him to, and everyone would be fine. Its one of the most retarded things i've ever heard.
They even have the driver of the car on tape, admitting the crash was his fault.

As for the issue of how dangerous these pursuits are, I think its common sense that in suburban areas, it might sometimes be necessary to cancel the chase, or innocent bystanders might get hurt.

Just my $0.02

[RC45]

If there are only one or two cop cars on the ground, they should get close enough to get a description of the car/license and then just back off.



but if the car (or the plates) is stolen then there is no point getting the details as it won't lead you to the criminals :)
The helicopter idea would work but our poor police service only has one I think so its not always practical :(

If the car or plates are stolen let it go. I am not worried about the perps getting killed - I am worried about the innocents that get fucked by the cops every time one of these chases goes wrong.

[saadie]

RC is absolutly right ........ but when talking abt stolen cars ..... the thief is a dumb ass shit if the police starts chasing him ... soo ... what i think is .... take a new high tech camera and take pics of the driver and the plate and leave the dude alone let him do what he wants ....

oh oh .. and things can also happen fast and the furious style ..... there should be 2 undercover cops in the car ... the car should be modded .... they spot the car go next to it take some pics ... offer a free run and then vanish .... :mrgreen:

[jakaracman]

If the car or plates are stolen let it go.

You a car thief or what? What do you men let them go? So stealing a car is a legitimate thing to you, since you say let them go? Come on ...
And if there's a killer in stolen car? Somebody who just raped a chil and is running from police?

[jakaracman]

And if it is a ckild raper or a killer. Still let them go?

[possessed_beaver]

And if it is a ckild raper or a killer. Still let them go?

i say we yell at there car and ask them...

rember one important fact they are infact INNOCENT until proven guilty

[dingo]

rember one important fact they are infact INNOCENT until proven guilty

if they are innocent they have no reason to run from the cops :winks:

[TransAm]

I tend to agree with the 'get the license plate and back off' approach, but of course if someone is weaving in and out of traffic at 100mph and causing a danger to other road users then it is time to throw the stinger strip across his path (the spikes that blow your tires). The stinger is FAR more effective than a policeman risking his life (and in turn putting innocents at risk) trying to shunt the car off the road, and thus causing damage to property, the police car etc, which our tax dollars have to foot the bill for.

One thing I think is wrong is when a cop dies in a chase, and they try and hang it on the perpetrator. This happened recently in Texas during a chase where the cop was FOLLOWING the car being chased, and while I feel sorry for the policeman and his family I can't believe you can hold the perp responsible for the actions of a car that was behind him! You're not going to tell me that a policeman should not be responsible enough to drive within his own ability and keep control of his vehicle, if the policeman 'pushes' the car too hard and loses control then that's his own stupid fault. :shock:

edit: In the UK we have 'pursuit' cars which are highperformance and have trained drivers, IIRC, only these types of police car are allowed to chase. Over here, AFAIK, it's 'open season' for any police car to chase you. That's right, a lumbering old Crown Victoria trying to keep up. Laughable. My Saab would outrun one of those, it's no wonder people give it a try!!!

[possessed_beaver]

rember one important fact they are infact INNOCENT until proven guilty

if they are innocent they have no reason to run from the cops :winks:

OJ simpson anyone..?

he was totaly innocent!!! and he ran away :D

[TransAm]

edit: In the UK we have 'pursuit' cars which are highperformance and have trained drivers, IIRC, only these types of police car are allowed to chase. Over here, AFAIK, it's 'open season' for any police car to chase you. That's right, a lumbering old Crown Victoria trying to keep up. Laughable. My Saab would outrun one of those, it's no wonder people give it a try!!!

My point exactly.......in Norway the police got some good cars, but the police suck at driving them, and the good cars are not in my neck of the woods either......

so if you are heading home in the middle of the night, driving like you feel it should be done and suddenly pass a cop car on a sideroad....this might be a ford mondeo, a vw caravelle or simular......and it goes after you with the blue buckets flashing.....you can either just keep going as you have been doing and out run them or you can break, stop and wait for them to give you a ticket.......

I know what I would do.....

A VW Caravelle? You're fucking joking, right?

I nearly fell off my chair with laughter when I read that!!!!!

[black_magician]

And if it is a ckild raper or a killer. Still let them go?

how are they gonna know?

[jakaracman]

You want to take the risk of letting a killer go? Beside: no sane prson runs from police - and if he dores, he should be responsible for all consequences - he's the one that caused the chase ...
Do not misunderstand me: I'm all for use of chopper, roadblocks and stinger as much as possible, but sometimes you have to chase, regardless of all ... And in that case any and all methods should be used (purposefully killing the driver included) to make the chase as short and not dangerous to general public as possible.

[RC45]

sometimes you have to chase, regardless of all ... And in that case any and all methods should be used (purposefully killing the driver included) to make the chase as short and not dangerous to general public as possible.

So who do you feel should decide its right to chase the driver down and kill him if they feel he is a hazard to public?

what happened to your day in court and to get a fair trail....at least when you are facing death penalty ruled maybe by one cop having a bad day....Im sure you understand it cant be that way...... :wink:

Now this is just awkward and scary - Now I amd agreeing with brembo... :shock:

[Anonymous]

sometimes you have to chase, regardless of all ... And in that case any and all methods should be used (purposefully killing the driver included) to make the chase as short and not dangerous to general public as possible.

So who do you feel should decide its right to chase the driver down and kill him if they feel he is a hazard to public?

what happened to your day in court and to get a fair trail....at least when you are facing death penalty ruled maybe by one cop having a bad day....Im sure you understand it cant be that way...... :wink:

Now while i don't agree in this particular case, i also believe that when you run from the police or commit a crime you forfit all of your basic rights, if you endanger others by waving a gun about you'd most likely be shot, so in theory you could apply this to cars also, but deliberately killing the driver would be damn dangerous IMO both to the police and bystanders.



edit: In the UK we have 'pursuit' cars which are highperformance and have trained drivers, IIRC, only these types of police car are allowed to chase. Over here, AFAIK, it's 'open season' for any police car to chase you. That's right, a lumbering old Crown Victoria trying to keep up. Laughable. My Saab would outrun one of those, it's no wonder people give it a try!!!

I believe it might be that ordinary cars must get permission to chase, and must give up when a trained persuit driver turns up, at least i seem to remember seeing something like that on one of those police chase docus on TV

[TransAm]

edit: In the UK we have 'pursuit' cars which are highperformance and have trained drivers, IIRC, only these types of police car are allowed to chase. Over here, AFAIK, it's 'open season' for any police car to chase you. That's right, a lumbering old Crown Victoria trying to keep up. Laughable. My Saab would outrun one of those, it's no wonder people give it a try!!!

I believe it might be that ordinary cars must get permission to chase, and must give up when a trained persuit driver turns up, at least i seem to remember seeing something like that on one of those police chase docus on TV

I think you're right :wink: