Whose got a better enigine BMW or Ferrari ?

[saadie]

i've been thining about this fer a while now .......
whose got a better engine .... BMW or Ferrari ....and give reasons too

from 2006 or 2007 ... sauber is gonna use BMW's engine ..... ferrari gave them their engine from 30 mill and BMW will give them for the half of that .... is this a good thing or a bad thing ?

[ZfrkS62]

Ferrari has alot more overhead cost to make up for since their cars are all inhouse cars. BMW merely is teamed up with Williams and is supplying the engines. Therefor BMW doesn't have nearly the amount of overhead Ferrari does when making up for money spent on F1. The price cut BMW is able to offer Sauber is actually going to help F1 as a whole, since BMW has more power than the Tifosi, so if Sauber gets a driver than can handle it, They are suddenly going to be throwing monkey wrenches into everyones plans. Just imagine Kimi's face when he realizes there is a Sauber chasing him down for 3rd :lol:

IMO BMW has the best power, but Ferrari has the reliability, so therefore Ferrari has the best engine. I know i usually defend BMW, but i really have to admit, Ferrari does have the stronger powerplant.

[astonmartinandy]

I would have to say that with the consistency and power of the Ferrari V10, the Ferrari engine is 'better'. I know a a couple of seasons ago the BMW powerplant was more powerful, but I would be interested to see if this is still the case considering the amount of money that Ferrari continually pours into R&D..

The manufacturers often keep their engine output and weight secret, but would be interesting to see which is more powerful for the 2005 season - IMO, Ferrari.

[mindgam3]

I don't think you can compare them at all. No one except the engineers within F1 know how good their engines and their competitors engines are.

The only one fact we know for sure is reliability.... at least within a race situation and therefore based on race stats, you'd have to say Ferrari has the better engine - but this is more likely down to their whole package, not just the engine....

[possessed_beaver]

im biast against BMW, so i will stay out of this argument :D

[mindgam3]

The only one fact we know for sure is reliability.... at least within a race situation and therefore based on race stats, you'd have to say Ferrari has the better engine - but this is more likely down to their whole package, not just the engine

when you say whole package, what exactlya re you referring to?

the whole pack has very little to do with the power and how reliable a engine will be.


this question of a better engine is a no brainer, Ferrari hands down. they might not have the most powerfull engine but they have the most reliable one. lets look at some stats, i think they speak for them selves.


I meant there success in races i down to the whole package eg, team, aero, chassis, suspension etc.

But obviously the reliability of the ferrari unit, as I said is much more reliable

[prancing]

Ferrari hardd
BMs r good but not enuff

[saadie]

ok .... so its mainly abt realiablity ....... but also look at it this way ...... ferrari's engine is realiable k fine .. but also look at the whole car .... the package as what mindgame reffered to .... ferrari has got a better car .... and tht helps alot in winning ..... and also the drivers of ferrari know exactly what there engine can do ... bcuz of this the engine would never fail ... therefore its reliable .. am i right or not ...... so the realiablity is just a stamp tht increases the price of the engine ...... anyone knows any inside people tht can give some vivid reasons .....

[cho_888]

ok, i am just going to go with the results. If Ferrari are winning like they are they must have a pretty good engine! I also agree it is because ferrari has the whole package, a great car and drivers, although thats not what is being debated

[mindgam3]

ok .... so its mainly abt realiablity ....... but also look at it this way ...... ferrari's engine is realiable k fine .. but also look at the whole car .... the package as what mindgame reffered to .... ferrari has got a better car .... and tht helps alot in winning ..... and also the drivers of ferrari know exactly what there engine can do ... bcuz of this the engine would never fail ... therefore its reliable .. am i right or not ...... so the realiablity is just a stamp tht increases the price of the engine ...... anyone knows any inside people tht can give some vivid reasons .....

ok, well every component in a race car has a breaking point and teams will usually try to get as close to that line as they can without going over and make sure that it will last the race, they want 100% from each part. the problem is that from one race to another that can change due to weather, even though it has been tested.

now what Ferrari might do, which could explain why in the hp area they arent as high as the other top teams, is instead of extracing 100% from each part they use, they only extract 95% leaving the other 5% as a buffer to prevent a break down. now this is only a guess on my part.


but it could also be the materials used and how they make parts. they way you cool metal can make it stronger or weaker. they obviously do more then the other teams when it comes to testing, and have the advantage since its a in house car.

hmmm i wouldn't quite say all thats neccesarily true.

All engine manufacturers will have many F1 engines running simutaneously 24 hours a day to test them. Its more likely to be inherrant design problems than failure due to lack of testing.

Secondly it only needs one single component out of thousands in the engine and around it for the engine to fail. Also it could be parts out of the teams control that aren't directly the engine but are related, eg radiators and cooling and parts which will be supplied by third party companies, ie not manufactured by BMW or Williams themselves.

Lastly, obviously the way drivers drive will effect the performance and reliability of the engine and its surrounding components.

Luck also plays a part.

Either way its obvious that whatever the reasons are, ferraris lump is a lot more reliable than Williams ;)

[raphaelws]

Ferrari.. always ferrari.. 8) :twisted: