Next Generation BMW M3

[c_theodoros]

source: germancarfans.com

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In 2006 BMW will kick it up a notch in the sports coupe market with the much anticipated next generation E90 M3. Both Coupe and Cabriolet models are planned with a new addition of a 4 door sedan not seen since the E36 platform.
The initial idea considered was a 4 door M3 saloon and a 2 door M4 coupe. But recently BMW has changed their minds and keep the legendary M3 coupe alive. Internal pressure from the BMW board was too great to kill it off. Therefore, the M3 coupe, M3 saloon and an M3 cabriolet in addition to an M4 coupe and a M4 cabriolet will be developed. Did you get all that?

The M3 coupe will feature a 6 Series like glasshouse with the possibility of a new distinct interior. The front will sport a new aggressive yet subtle bumper while the rear will display quad exhausts like the new M5. Power will come from a new lightweight V8 producing around 400hp and uses the latest dual-VANOS variable valve timing system. New engine building technology and lightweight materials mean the engine should amazingly weigh the same as the outgoing 3.2 liter in-line 6 cylinder from the current E46 M3 but with considerably more power.

The new M3 is slated to arrive in early 2006 with a 2005 Frankfurt debut and the cabriolet will have a Geneva 2006 debut with sales beginning in summer 2006. The SMG transmission will come standard and a CSL version of the coupe with excess of 420hp is being planned as well.

During early testing of the cabriolet version of the 4 series BMW experimented with both a normal canvas roof and a hard folding top but decided on the canvas due to weight savings and maintenance. The M4 Coupe and M4 Cabriolet will also feature the M3 V8 engine and should go on sale later. No further details are known. A concept for the regular 4 Series is slated for Frankfurt in September.

[astonmartinandy]

Looks good IMO, not sure there is a need for so many variants of an M3/M4. Surely they should simply develop fewer variants to a greater degree to anihalate the opposition?!

[ZfrkS62]

looks like they're keeping the "power dome" in the hood and it's getting the same rims as the M5. Slated for 2006 release?! hmm..that could end up being late '06 as discussed in the M3 Delivery Date thread.....

interesting news..thanks theodor.

[T5]

It is a shame that the M3 will abandon his beautiful and powerfull 6 cylinder engines.I love the sound of this engines.... :(

[adamwich]

Looks really cool! 8)

[Akmon]

There is a thing I love at the actually M3,and thtat thing are those 4 exhaust pipes that aren't positioned on the same line line with the wheels,like others thousands of sport cars.Those are unique for me.And I can't see them in the new M3.So I don't like it.

[dingo]

It is a shame that the M3 will abandon his beautiful and powerfull 6 cylinder engines.I love the sound of this engines.... :(

I agree completely, it should make do without a V8 like the rest of the 3-series range :) However the E60 M5 has also used an engine which is different from the 'normal' 5-series :D

[mv]

Well I'm a bit confused. So there will be both M3 and M4 coupes - two coupes sharing the engine, platform and with a very similar price tag...weird hence I don't believe it.

[Sir_GT]

Whoa... 4 door version is a go then... makes the RS4 comparison very important indeed.

I wonder if Audi ever considered a coupe version of the RS4...

[T5]

In this type of Price Tags we have a lot of offer.
I don´t know how prices are in USA,but in Portugal for a Price of an M3 I will buy a TVR .

[LotusGT1]

Bad photoshops....

[komotar]

the car in the two pictures looks ugly imo.

And that V8 better be "lightweight", because we don't want the car to become a heavy nose cow, now do we........

[JiggaStyles09]

i dont understand at all, whats the difference between the 3 and 4 series in this info? i dont like the idea of all those variants, i would prefer the M3 stay as a coupe/convertable and thats all. but i do like the V8 :D and whats with the pointy side mirrors, they look terrible in this photoshop.

[acs power]

Bad photoshops....


Agree. A 4-door M3 is possible but this 4 Series thing won't happen IMO.

[SafirXP]

should get very interesting when more info and specs get released! hope they don't totally ruin the design... looking more like the new designs they're doing nowadays!

[possessed_beaver]

im not sure why, but for some reason i rely rely like it!

[loliea]

Have you seen the size of the rear tires? They are BIG!!!

I am also sad that they are not going to use an in line 6. I will miss the music.
They could have kept it, increasing the volume and push it to 400 bhp a little like what TVR did.

Does anybody know the weight of the new M5 engine and the weight of the old M3 engine? I am not sure the difference will be so big.

[noosee]

Are those rear tires real :shock:
And it's a 4 door :D nice :D I had 4 door M3 before and have coupe now.
4 door is better :lol:

[chest3r]

Nothing more than photoshop. It's an E90 3 series with some stuff from the new E60 M5.

I hope the new M3 will have some diferences to the E60 M5. It will be really bad if the bumper's and the wheels where almost the same in the two cars.

[coombsie66]

I'd say thats quite a good photoshop at first glance. And i really hope that the new M3 looks something like that, i think it looks great! That power bulge in the bonnet makes it look mean!
If this does come out in 2006 its gotta be one of BMW's best kept secrects aint it!?
And i dont think they'll ever release the 4 series personally.

[DeMoN]

Holly shet, M3 and M4 thats awesome. They did not say when M4 will b available did they?

Good thing they didint kill 2 dorr M3. Many ppl would be devastated by this.

One thing though, if they were intending to make the M3 4 doors and M4 2 doors, does that mean that there wont be a big prize difference between M3 and M4?

[Sir_GT]

I want to see what the coupe will look like from the side first. The E90 is a good looking car (more "masculine" than the competition), but the M3's sales will really boil down to how good the coupe will look.

[mindgam3]

I dont why most are complaining about the change in engine, M3's have had a history of different engine and sizes. Quite amazing how they've added more capacity and more cylinders yet the weight is the same as the last straight 6.

The new M3 is going to be impressive no doubt the engine will have a hp/litre ratio of over 100 and most likely high revving, but the CSL i cant wait for....

[DeMoN]

I just hope that M4 can take on the 911. I really would love to see a car (AMV8 would be cool too) that for the same prize of a 911 or less, can beat it. Maybe then, porsche will decide to do a true facelift to their lold 911.

[thekillingroad]

Rear tires.. HOLY SHIT :)

Since the first time I heard bout the M engine, I listen the sound files again 'n again. Will be very bad. But if we look from the side of CEOs.. They're right. What can they do. It should have more tech, means more weight. Should have more comfort (does it?) , means weight. The R6 comes to the end in here. Cos it should be alsa faster...

We canrt be sure about the desing yet. The real SEEİNG and pic shots are really different.

What I really think is the back of M3.. They cant put a fatso bumber like E46 in this desing. I hope they wont put sth like in the NFSU2 :)

Enjoy, its still the ultimate driving machine.


The new M3 is going to be impressive no doubt the engine will have a hp/litre ratio of over 100 and most likely high revving, but the CSL i cant wait for....

Think of 4.0L 400hp. on the edge :D

we will have to wait :( If its gonna come..

[styla21]

About 4 months ago, Bangle stated that there is no planning at all, for a 4 series. I call B.S on this entire article. I don't take any fact from this non-credible source. 0X Thanks for posting though, Theodoros. :)

[Sir_GT]

^^^ Actually, you do have a point, since it has been reported that BMW bosses decided against going for the "4-series" line because they felt that the 3-series name was too important, which in turn meant that they canned the possibility of a spin-off line called the 4-series... which means that the likelihood of an M4 is very small.

...then again, that was a few months ago. You never know.

[Anonymous]

About 4 months ago, Bangle stated that there is no planning at all, for a 4 series. I call B.S on this entire article. I don't take any fact from this non-credible source. 0X Thanks for posting though, Theodoros. :)

Yeah, about a year ago or so they were sure that they'll have both a 3 Series Sedan as well as a 4 Series Coupe. But now all signs point to that they are keeping the 3 Series Moniker for both the Coupe and Sedans.

Which leads me to ask, why change the name of the Z3 to Z4 in the first place if they are not going to carry out this Odd numbers for Sedans, Even numbers for Coupes/Convertibles scheme?!?! It just adds to the confusion.

And now according to this article, they will have both (or four depends on how you look at it) M3 and M4, Coupes and Sedans?!?!

They really need a super marketing team to pull this one off.

But I guess the average Joe Blow probably would not even notice.

[SilenCe]

I don't like the 4 door version from the M3. They should keep the original M3 Coupe' with a 6 cylinder engine, but i think the V8 should also have a good sound...

[styla21]

There is no M4... Nor is there a 4 series in general. Therefore this is a very simple model designation, the same as it has been for the last 20 years plus a couple of new series. Very understandable. Capish? :roll:

[mindgam3]

There is no M4... Nor is there a 4 series in general. Therefore this is a very simple model designation, the same as it has been for the last 20 years plus a couple of new series. Very understandable. Capish? :roll:

lol, and how do you know?

Chances are, if they are or are not making a 4 series, they would've said they're not making one anyway so people buy the 3 series and dont wait for the 4 series and therefore gain maximum profit from both models, if indeed a 4 series is being released....

People said the same about the 1 and 6 series and look what happened :P

We'll have to wait n see ;)

[findleybeast]

interesting that they'll have the 4 door, but having a M3 coupe and M4 coupe doesn't make any sense

[ferrarif1fan89]

YES! a 4 door! im going to hold out buying a nw car until the m3 sedan comes out.

[blah]

I dont see why people are so up in arms about the whole V8 issue. The Original M3 had a I4, and only had a I6 for 2 generations. Its time to move on. Think about it, the M5 started with a I6 then got a great V8, and is now getting an even better V10. Same with the M3.

[T5]

It´s a matter of preferences.I prefer the sound of a I6 engine,but i agree with you when you say it´s time to move on to a new engine,with new engine architecture and 2 more cylinders :wink:

[blah]

It´s a matter of preferences.I prefer the sound of a I6 engine,but i agree with you when you say it´s time to move on to a new engine,with new engine architecture and 2 more cylinders :wink:

I do like the raspy note of the I6 M engine, but i bet that since its gonna be a high revving 4.0 liter V8 it will sound damn good. Maybe even like a 355, or a 430.

[T5]

I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. :wink:

[ZfrkS62]

I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. :wink:

Look at it this way though, the fact that the V8 is a low displacement engine (241 cubic inches) it's going to have alot more low end torque than the V10 and it's going to be MUCH more accessible (i'm thinking low to mid 3,000) And getting it to rev to 8K is not going to be a problem :wink: This is German engineering after all :D It'll be able to put out about 415-420 HP no problem :D

[styla21]

I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. :wink:

On what basis do you "recommend" a V10? It would be an interesting comparison, but you feel that a german car company would be able to mimic some of it's italian counterparts and build a V8 with a high redline?
*{insert 360modena e.g. here}* :wink:

[ferrarif1fan89]

I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. :wink:

LOL! have you heard of ferrari?

[T5]

I am a Ferrari fan,but BMW is very diferent,you shouldn´t expect a M3 competing with the F430...
I recomend the V10 because there is already a good one in the M5 and M6 with great revs and performances.
My interrogation about this V8 is if it´s a completely new engine or if it is a adaptation from the V8 that equiped the M5 E39.The V8 from the old M5 was great but only reach 6500 rpm on the redline...
I like revs not torque. :)
:wink:

[Ghostbat]

I am a Ferrari fan,but BMW is very diferent,you shouldn´t expect a M3 competing with the F430...
I recomend the V10 because there is already a good one in the M5 and M6 with great revs and performances.
My interrogation about this V8 is if it´s a completely new engine or if it is a adaptation from the V8 that equiped the M5 E39.The V8 from the old M5 was great but only reach 6500 rpm on the redline...
I like revs not torque. :)
:wink:

You are wrong about the old E39 M5. It doesn't have a redline at 6500rpm. I reaches it's maximum power output at 6600rpm and has a redline at 7000rpm.

[coombsie66]

I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. :wink:

WTF are you talking about?

And i doubt the engine would ever sound like a 360 or 430 engine, as bmw dont go for flat plain cranks.

[T5]

I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. :wink:

WTF are you talking about?

And i doubt the engine would ever sound like a 360 or 430 engine, as bmw dont go for flat plain cranks.

BMW V8 Engines.
Finish reading,before comment!

[cooperluke]

I like revs not torque.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't your T-5 a "torque" engine instead of revs??

:)

And, I believe that BMW can make a high reving V8. They have the know how for it, if they want, they make it.

[Sir_GT]

these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4.

Lol. You wish mate. :)

A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%. :)

...and that's official. ;)

[Schwalbe]

these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4.

Lol. You wish mate. :)

A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%. :)

...and that's official. ;)

that's because all the losers who can't afford an M3 are waiting for a used one....which makes the resale price more. It doesn't say anything about the car...it just means that more losers want one! LOL

as for an RS4, less losers want one...so the demand for a 2nd hand one isn't that great.

that's my perspective on this issue! :D

LOL ! but so true.

I would add this: The S4/RS4 is by far the car the most required and most desired by the robbers in Europe. This facts explains a lot about the exclusiveness of the RS4. :wink:

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[neilo63]

///M POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! :twisted: :twisted:

High reving V8 anyday imagine the squeel 8)

[blah]

these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4.

Lol. You wish mate. :)

A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%. :)

...and that's official. ;)

that's because all the losers who can't afford an M3 are waiting for a used one....which makes the resale price more. It doesn't say anything about the car...it just means that more losers want one! LOL

as for an RS4, less losers want one...so the demand for a 2nd hand one isn't that great.

that's my perspective on this issue! :D

or maybe its the fact that the RS4 will only sell well in cities like san francisco, and the village in New York City. :roll:

[blah]

Also about this high revving issue. Dont NASCAR engines revv to like 9500?

[ZfrkS62]

Also about this high revving issue. Dont NASCAR engines revv to like 9500?

Yeah, and they're massive displacement engines too which means they don't hit their powerbands until like 7,000. Once they hit power they stay there. It takes too long to wind the engines back up and screws them over on their fuel.

[5vz-fe]

The revability of an engine mainly defined by the internal moving components, such as the weight of the pistons, the weight of the valvetrain, the spring rate on the valve springs....etc. All this bring us to high school phyics, interia and friction.
On top, bore and stroke also have an affect of it.

*EDIT* I agree that M3 is a better car in all, but there are way too many of them on the street.

[Sir_GT]

these look like "hype" pictures put up to try and take attention away from the big daddy: THE RS4.

Lol. You wish mate. :)

A car's retained value speaks volumes for its desirability and credibility. The M3 coupe retains 63% of its value, and the cabrio retains 69%, whilst the RS4 only retains 49%. :)

...and that's official. ;)

that's because all the losers who can't afford an M3 are waiting for a used one....which makes the resale price more. It doesn't say anything about the car...it just means that more losers want one! LOL

as for an RS4, less losers want one...so the demand for a 2nd hand one isn't that great.

that's my perspective on this issue! :D

Even losers know which one's the better car... ;) Why get an RS4? It isn't half as good looking, it doesn't have the M3's street cred, the badge isn't sexy enough for women, it's overpriced, resale value sucks, and it doesn't perform as well either.

If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car.

In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews:

Audi RS4:

+ Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality
- BMW makes the M3


;)

[blah]

Where is you All Wheel Drive now Denver?

Some one on here has to watch Aqua Teen Hunger force too right?

[23790554]

just waiting for the E46 to drop some $$$$

[ARMAN]

Front is looking great only back lights are bit ugly IMO

[Schwalbe]

If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car.

In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews:

Audi RS4:

+ Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality
- BMW makes the M3



These journalist remarks are very subjective, to be more objective he must be based on facts:

[Motorvision Position Fahrzeug Zeit] Driver: Tim Schrick 8)

1 Mitsubishi Evo VII -18,92
2 RED-Motorsport-Elise -19,23
3 Wiesmann MF 3 SMG -19,28
4 Mitsubishi Evo VI -19,35
5 Audi RS4 -19,58 :twisted:
6 Porsche 911 GT 3 -19,61
7 Audi TT quattro 225 PS -19,65 :wink:
8 Subaru Impreza WRX STi -19,66
9 Lotus Elise 111S -19,69
10 Porsche 911 Carrera -19,72
11 BMW M3 -19,79 :lol:
12 Audi S4 V8 -19,86
13 BMW Z3 3,0 -19,92
14 Opel Speedster -20,07
15 VW Golf R 32 -20,11
16 Seat Leon Cupra R -20,14
17 Audi S3 2002 / BMW M 3 -20,16
18 Citroen Saxo Cup -20,18
19 Audi S3 -20,24
20 Jaguar S-Type R -20,25
21 Honda Civic Type-R -20,26
22 Mercedes C320 Sportcoupé -20,31
23 MG TF 160 -20,33
24 BMW M5 -20,34
25 Ford Focus ST 170 -20,35

I don't understand your sudden idea to compared B5 RS4 with E46 M3. It's very not the same category. Your comparison must be done between B6 S4 vs E46 M3...

If not, you can read the comments in this picture. :wink:

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[caneswell]

The laptimes don't tell you how much more fun the M3 driver is having though. Whereas a good journalist does.

It's like the car magazines that define "handling" by skid pan g numbers! Which tell you nothing about what the car is like to drive.

The enjoyment of driving doesn't come from achieveing a laptime 2tenths of a second faster than someone else!

[Sir_GT]

If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car.

In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews:

Audi RS4:

+ Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality
- BMW makes the M3


I don't understand your sudden idea to compared B5 RS4 with E46 M3. It's very not the same category. Your comparison must be done between B6 S4 vs E46 M3...

It wasn't me who started the B5 RS4 v E46 M3 comparison mate. I do agree that it should be S4 v M3... where, of course, the M3 beats the S4...

...but if that's the case, that means that the RS4 has no direct competitor... which is either really good or really boring depending on your point of view. :)

[caneswell]

I know which one i'd prefer: http://www.rs4-video.com/Video/m3_vs_rs4.mpg

Understeer anyone?

[Ghostbat]

I know which one i'd prefer: http://www.rs4-video.com/Video/m3_vs_rs4.mpg

Understeer anyone?

I'm with you all the way..

Interesting timelist. Altough I'm a "Mercman" myself I think it's kinda strange that the C320 Coupe is faster around the track than the M5. I know the Merc is smaller an nimbler but still...

[caneswell]

Yeah that is a very strange list. I fail to see how the M5 could be there. Its quite a bit heavier than the c320 but its over 2 secs faster to 60! And i've never seen that merc described as much of a drivers car. Must have been a very very tight track?

[coombsie66]

I don´t think possible to have a 8000rev until redline V8 at this time.If that´s the objective I recomend a V10 engine. :wink:

WTF are you talking about?

And i doubt the engine would ever sound like a 360 or 430 engine, as bmw dont go for flat plain cranks.

BMW V8 Engines.
Finish reading,before comment!

The E39 M5 V8 is one of the most free-revving V8's ive ever heard, and slams into its redline as the power just keeps increasing.
The Norwack tuned S62 i believe revs to more than 8k.

And vibration wise i seem to remember the V10 actually being worse for trying to rev high than a balanced V8.

Plus they could just do the equivalent of cutting two cylinders off of the new V10.

And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6?

[c_theodoros]

Congrats to the Renault guys, they did a fantastic job throughout the weekend. For me the big surprise was the RedBull team and D.C. what a performance ! but lets not judge until the next race, where we will see the "one engine per 2 weekends" rule come into effect; we don't how the teams had tuned their engines...

anywayzzz, BMW performance was O.K. despite the fact that they could have done better!!! I want opinions on the Nick Hiedfield's incident with M.S. ?? I believe that M.S. did not leave enough space to Nick to avoid hitting him.

and finally...

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[coombsie66]

^^ Dude? Wrong thread?

[blah]

If the RS4 was really that great, then motoring publications would have championed it long ago, but they haven't, simply because the M3 is a superior car.

In fact, EVO magazine summed it up quite nicely in one of the older reviews:

Audi RS4:

+ Superb engine, sweet 'box, quality
- BMW makes the M3



These journalist remarks are very subjective, to be more objective he must be based on facts:

[Motorvision Position Fahrzeug Zeit] Driver: Tim Schrick 8)

1 Mitsubishi Evo VII -18,92
2 RED-Motorsport-Elise -19,23
3 Wiesmann MF 3 SMG -19,28
4 Mitsubishi Evo VI -19,35
5 Audi RS4 -19,58 :twisted:
6 Porsche 911 GT 3 -19,61
7 Audi TT quattro 225 PS -19,65 :wink:
8 Subaru Impreza WRX STi -19,66
9 Lotus Elise 111S -19,69
10 Porsche 911 Carrera -19,72
11 BMW M3 -19,79 :lol:
12 Audi S4 V8 -19,86
13 BMW Z3 3,0 -19,92
14 Opel Speedster -20,07
15 VW Golf R 32 -20,11
16 Seat Leon Cupra R -20,14
17 Audi S3 2002 / BMW M 3 -20,16
18 Citroen Saxo Cup -20,18
19 Audi S3 -20,24
20 Jaguar S-Type R -20,25
21 Honda Civic Type-R -20,26
22 Mercedes C320 Sportcoupé -20,31
23 MG TF 160 -20,33
24 BMW M5 -20,34
25 Ford Focus ST 170 -20,35

I don't understand your sudden idea to compared B5 RS4 with E46 M3. It's very not the same category. Your comparison must be done between B6 S4 vs E46 M3...

If not, you can read the comments in this picture. :wink:

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/9921/acmay00022lz.th.jpg (http://img240.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img240&image=acmay00022lz.jpg)

From that list the RS4 is faster than a GT3, does that make it better??? Hell no.

[c_theodoros]

^^ Dude? Wrong thread?


... and I was wondering where the F**K my post is !!! 8)

sorry guys, may the moderator erase the specific post from this discussion ?

thanks 0X

[thekillingroad]

Dont forget to look at the times of MV.. Just about 19sec.. This may whistle you that thats a pretty slow track.. BTW you can alsa watch the videos.
Let the TC AWD RS4 be faster than the RWD N/A M3.

BTW I agree to blah, and wanna ad sth.. if thats a real objective thing(?). You or they forgot. the CSL second on the list.

And if you continue looking carefully.. CTR is fast er than the M5.. Is TypeR a faster car. hell no..

[T5]

And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6?

Cost reduction.
I agree with your statement about a well balanced V8.
But a BMW is "all days" car,not a Ferrari so it has to be reliable so it´s natural it won´t sound like a Ferrari,but i believe with a technological improvement there can be some improvement to the revs too.
The RS4 is a car a little bit diferent because it´s a family saloon and not a coupe...

[ferrarif1fan89]

And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6?

Cost reduction.
I agree with your statement about a well balanced V8.
But a BMW is "all days" car,not a Ferrari so it has to be reliable so it´s natural it won´t sound like a Ferrari,but i believe with a technological improvement there can be some improvement to the revs too.
The RS4 is a car a little bit diferent because it´s a family saloon and not a coupe...

dude, that v10 probably would not fit in that car, plus it would weigh too much, plus it is stupid to go from a i6 to a v10 in a car that small

[T5]

And why would BMW ever put the same engine in a 3 series as in the 5 and 6?

Cost reduction.
I agree with your statement about a well balanced V8.
But a BMW is "all days" car,not a Ferrari so it has to be reliable so it´s natural it won´t sound like a Ferrari,but i believe with a technological improvement there can be some improvement to the revs too.
The RS4 is a car a little bit diferent because it´s a family saloon and not a coupe...

dude, that v10 probably would not fit in that car, plus it would weigh too much, plus it is stupid to go from a i6 to a v10 in a car that small

Please remember a car like C55 AMG... :roll:

[styla21]

I didn't know of any AMG V10? :D

[T5]

There isn´t one! :lol:
It is an example of a car where the engine doesn´t fit without some modifications :wink:

[styla21]

I'm actually not to sure what you are saying T5. It seems sort of contradictory.. I think you are saying benz did well to fit the V8 in the C class hood, right? Also of note, the new E60 M5 engine (the V10), weighs the same as the older model E39 M5's V8. So therefore, it may be possible that if the M3 was to use a V8 there may not be a huge, if at all, increase in weight. BTW, interesting choice of Volvo for your avartar. It's not the typical enthusiasts car - but i think they've done some cool stuff. Nice taste

[T5]

I'm actually not to sure what you are saying T5. It seems sort of contradictory.. I think you are saying benz did well to fit the V8 in the C class hood, right? Also of note, the new E60 M5 engine (the V10), weighs the same as the older model E39 M5's V8. So therefore, it may be possible that if the M3 was to use a V8 there may not be a huge, if at all, increase in weight. BTW, interesting choice of Volvo for your avartar. It's not the typical enthusiasts car - but i think they've done some cool stuff. Nice taste

Yes,that is exacly what I was trying to say. :wink: