Autocar - BMW Alpina B7 vs Merc S65AMG

[1zippo1]

Since there were multiple requests I scanned the article. There are a couple more coming. The quality is far from what TT or Noosee post but it's certainly readable. The images are a bit weird because I have an old scanner. I tried multiple setting but this gave the best result.

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[Ghostbat]

0-60mph in 5,4 sec for the S65 sounds very strange to me. Mercedes own spec of the S65 is 0-62mph (1-100km/h) in 4.4sec and when tested by swedish AMS the S65 did 0-100km/h in 4.28sec and in 4.9sec with five persons in the car.

Edit: I see now that it was tested in the wet. Still can't believe that they chose the Aplina over the S65. Kinda pointless to test a 612bhp beast in the wet but I guess it's raining almost all the time in England :wink:

[mindgam3]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

[bmwmpower]

? that S cost 142 000, B7 cos only half, this is so brutal,
yes is fast, but thats mega price,
thanks for scan

[Ghostbat]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

[mindgam3]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

For a 612bhp car? Not really.... maybe for motorway crusing and overtaking all the torque and power is handy, but for a sportscar, its near useless, and as EVO states... the SL55 AMG is definately the better car to go for. Especially 0-60 is only 4.7 for the 55 and is £50,000 cheaper, £50,000 more for unusable power is stupid in my view and anyone who buys one has not got any sense. Even more so when you consider the alternatives.... ferrari 575, AM vanquish, AM DB9 + track car, SL55 AMG + track car... ferrari 430 + track car... there's so many better options i really don't see the point of it to be honest

[philios55]

First of all a big thanks to 1zippo1 for this great scans which i requested many times. Now for this comparisons i know BMW 7 series is good car especially with alpina modifications but there is no way to take this BMW over the awesome and still the king of the class the Mercedes S65.

[bmwmpower]

First of all a big thanks to 1zippo1 for this great scans which i requested many times. Now for this comparisons i know BMW 7 series is good car especially with alpina modifications but there is no way to take this BMW over the awesome and still the king of the class the Mercedes S65.

S class is expensive, you can have 2 B7 for one S,
and imagine if will alpina built car in S65 AMG price, how great it will be

[Ghostbat]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

For a 612bhp car? Not really.... maybe for motorway crusing and overtaking all the torque and power is handy, but for a sportscar, its near useless, and as EVO states... the SL55 AMG is definately the better car to go for. Especially 0-60 is only 4.7 for the 55 and is £50,000 cheaper, £50,000 more for unusable power is stupid in my view and anyone who buys one has not got any sense. Even more so when you consider the alternatives.... ferrari 575, AM vanquish, AM DB9 + track car, SL55 AMG + track car... ferrari 430 + track car... there's so many better options i really don't see the point of it to be honest

You crack me up dude. What you pretty much say is that the S65 isn't a fast car. Are you serious when you say that i.e the ferrari 430 and AM DB9 are alternatives to the S65? The point of this car is to be the fastest luxury saloon, the end! And guess what, it is. And forget about the money issue when you talk about this car. it's not meant to be a common car on the street.

Edit: maybe you confused it with the SL65?

[mindgam3]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

For a 612bhp car? Not really.... maybe for motorway crusing and overtaking all the torque and power is handy, but for a sportscar, its near useless, and as EVO states... the SL55 AMG is definately the better car to go for. Especially 0-60 is only 4.7 for the 55 and is £50,000 cheaper, £50,000 more for unusable power is stupid in my view and anyone who buys one has not got any sense. Even more so when you consider the alternatives.... ferrari 575, AM vanquish, AM DB9 + track car, SL55 AMG + track car... ferrari 430 + track car... there's so many better options i really don't see the point of it to be honest

You crack me up dude. What you pretty much say is that the S65 isn't a fast car. Are you serious when you say that i.e the ferrari 430 and AM DB9 are alternatives to the S65? The point of this car is to be the fastest luxury saloon, the end! And guess what, it is. And forget about the money issue when you talk about this car. it's not meant to be a common car on the street.

Edit: maybe you confused it with the SL65?

shit :roll: lol, yes i did confuse it with the SL65, didnt read the subject properly... but still, it is £140k, and I don't see the point on spending that much on what is basically an S class with more power and twice the price tag..... very nearly as pointless as the SL65 but not quite ;)

[Ghostbat]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

For a 612bhp car? Not really.... maybe for motorway crusing and overtaking all the torque and power is handy, but for a sportscar, its near useless, and as EVO states... the SL55 AMG is definately the better car to go for. Especially 0-60 is only 4.7 for the 55 and is £50,000 cheaper, £50,000 more for unusable power is stupid in my view and anyone who buys one has not got any sense. Even more so when you consider the alternatives.... ferrari 575, AM vanquish, AM DB9 + track car, SL55 AMG + track car... ferrari 430 + track car... there's so many better options i really don't see the point of it to be honest

All supercars are pretty pointless in transportation terms but atleast in the S-Class you can bring 4 friends/bizzos wiith you 8)

You crack me up dude. What you pretty much say is that the S65 isn't a fast car. Are you serious when you say that i.e the ferrari 430 and AM DB9 are alternatives to the S65? The point of this car is to be the fastest luxury saloon, the end! And guess what, it is. And forget about the money issue when you talk about this car. it's not meant to be a common car on the street.

Edit: maybe you confused it with the SL65?

shit :roll: lol, yes i did confuse it with the SL65, didnt read the subject properly... but still, it is £140k, and I don't see the point on spending that much on what is basically an S class with more power and twice the price tag..... very nearly as pointless as the SL65 but not quite ;)

All supercars are pretty pointless in terms of transportation but atleast you can bring 4 friends/bizzos with you in the S-Class 8)

If you don't like "pointless" cars one might wonder what you are doing in this forum :wink:

[astonmartinandy]

Nice scan but highlights once more that there isn't really a "need" for this much power in an S-Class.

Not to say that I don't want this much power though..

Given the money to spend on a big Mercedes, I would have to agree with JC and pick up an SL55 instead

[Just_me]

what about a n Apina B7 and new M5 for the price of one S65 :D

[caneswell]

As pirelli often say. Power is nothing without control, which is what the majority of these massive power mercs are lacking. Would always prefer a less powerfull car that doesn't have to rely on electronics to stay on the road, or to stop it breaking its own gearbox!

[mindgam3]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

For a 612bhp car? Not really.... maybe for motorway crusing and overtaking all the torque and power is handy, but for a sportscar, its near useless, and as EVO states... the SL55 AMG is definately the better car to go for. Especially 0-60 is only 4.7 for the 55 and is £50,000 cheaper, £50,000 more for unusable power is stupid in my view and anyone who buys one has not got any sense. Even more so when you consider the alternatives.... ferrari 575, AM vanquish, AM DB9 + track car, SL55 AMG + track car... ferrari 430 + track car... there's so many better options i really don't see the point of it to be honest

All supercars are pretty pointless in transportation terms but atleast in the S-Class you can bring 4 friends/bizzos wiith you 8)

You crack me up dude. What you pretty much say is that the S65 isn't a fast car. Are you serious when you say that i.e the ferrari 430 and AM DB9 are alternatives to the S65? The point of this car is to be the fastest luxury saloon, the end! And guess what, it is. And forget about the money issue when you talk about this car. it's not meant to be a common car on the street.

Edit: maybe you confused it with the SL65?

shit :roll: lol, yes i did confuse it with the SL65, didnt read the subject properly... but still, it is £140k, and I don't see the point on spending that much on what is basically an S class with more power and twice the price tag..... very nearly as pointless as the SL65 but not quite ;)

All supercars are pretty pointless in terms of transportation but atleast you can bring 4 friends/bizzos with you in the S-Class 8)

If you don't like "pointless" cars one might wonder what you are doing in this forum :wink:

But why would anyone want a £140k S class? :S

If your spending that much on a 4 seater, get something like a bentley or something with a lot more class....

Or if you want something with the same sort of style, get an RS6+ and put a few mods on it for about £70k - half the price.... and you can get a lot more in an estate :P

If you want something powerful and sporty, get something like a DB9 or 575....

There's no point having that much power in something that is that heavy for that price :P

[Ghostbat]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

For a 612bhp car? Not really.... maybe for motorway crusing and overtaking all the torque and power is handy, but for a sportscar, its near useless, and as EVO states... the SL55 AMG is definately the better car to go for. Especially 0-60 is only 4.7 for the 55 and is £50,000 cheaper, £50,000 more for unusable power is stupid in my view and anyone who buys one has not got any sense. Even more so when you consider the alternatives.... ferrari 575, AM vanquish, AM DB9 + track car, SL55 AMG + track car... ferrari 430 + track car... there's so many better options i really don't see the point of it to be honest

All supercars are pretty pointless in transportation terms but atleast in the S-Class you can bring 4 friends/bizzos wiith you 8)

You crack me up dude. What you pretty much say is that the S65 isn't a fast car. Are you serious when you say that i.e the ferrari 430 and AM DB9 are alternatives to the S65? The point of this car is to be the fastest luxury saloon, the end! And guess what, it is. And forget about the money issue when you talk about this car. it's not meant to be a common car on the street.

Edit: maybe you confused it with the SL65?

shit :roll: lol, yes i did confuse it with the SL65, didnt read the subject properly... but still, it is £140k, and I don't see the point on spending that much on what is basically an S class with more power and twice the price tag..... very nearly as pointless as the SL65 but not quite ;)

All supercars are pretty pointless in terms of transportation but atleast you can bring 4 friends/bizzos with you in the S-Class 8)

If you don't like "pointless" cars one might wonder what you are doing in this forum :wink:

But why would anyone want a £140k S class? :S

If your spending that much on a 4 seater, get something like a bentley or something with a lot more class....

Or if you want something with the same sort of style, get an RS6+ and put a few mods on it for about £70k - half the price.... and you can get a lot more in an estate :P

If you want something powerful and sporty, get something like a DB9 or 575....

There's no point having that much power in something that is that heavy for that price :P

You really don't get it. If you buy this car money is not an object. And do you seriously think an Audi has the same sort of style as Mercs, come on dude :!: . For the second time I tell you that people that buy this car want the fastest most luxurious salon on the planet, the end! Stop bitchin about money :roll:

[Just_me]

Kinda pointless having a 612hp beast that you can't put the power down in whether wet or dry :P

IMO 0-100km/h in 4.3sec is "putting the power down".

For a 612bhp car? Not really.... maybe for motorway crusing and overtaking all the torque and power is handy, but for a sportscar, its near useless, and as EVO states... the SL55 AMG is definately the better car to go for. Especially 0-60 is only 4.7 for the 55 and is £50,000 cheaper, £50,000 more for unusable power is stupid in my view and anyone who buys one has not got any sense. Even more so when you consider the alternatives.... ferrari 575, AM vanquish, AM DB9 + track car, SL55 AMG + track car... ferrari 430 + track car... there's so many better options i really don't see the point of it to be honest

All supercars are pretty pointless in transportation terms but atleast in the S-Class you can bring 4 friends/bizzos wiith you 8)

You crack me up dude. What you pretty much say is that the S65 isn't a fast car. Are you serious when you say that i.e the ferrari 430 and AM DB9 are alternatives to the S65? The point of this car is to be the fastest luxury saloon, the end! And guess what, it is. And forget about the money issue when you talk about this car. it's not meant to be a common car on the street.

Edit: maybe you confused it with the SL65?

shit :roll: lol, yes i did confuse it with the SL65, didnt read the subject properly... but still, it is £140k, and I don't see the point on spending that much on what is basically an S class with more power and twice the price tag..... very nearly as pointless as the SL65 but not quite ;)

All supercars are pretty pointless in terms of transportation but atleast you can bring 4 friends/bizzos with you in the S-Class 8)

If you don't like "pointless" cars one might wonder what you are doing in this forum :wink:

But why would anyone want a £140k S class? :S

If your spending that much on a 4 seater, get something like a bentley or something with a lot more class....

Or if you want something with the same sort of style, get an RS6+ and put a few mods on it for about £70k - half the price.... and you can get a lot more in an estate :P

If you want something powerful and sporty, get something like a DB9 or 575....

There's no point having that much power in something that is that heavy for that price :P

You really don't get it. If you buy this car money is not an object. And do you seriously think an Audi has the same sort of style as Mercs, come on dude :!: . For the second time I tell you that people that buy this car want the fastest most luxurious salon on the planet, the end! Stop bitchin about money :roll:

The way I see it. Those who want a S65 want if for braggin rights and impress people. They really love mercedes or they have too much money.
Other than that, noone wants a S65 :D

[frua]

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Thats a polish reprint of the german comparison with B7 and S55 AMG.BMW won this one, thanks to comfortable suspension and better engine :) I simply adore these Alpina rims, even bangled BMW looks great with them!