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ferrarif1fan89
02-11-2005, 06:35 PM
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SFDMALEX
02-11-2005, 06:38 PM
Let me guess. The corvette won.........So predictable not even going to bother.......dont get me wrong though, I appreciate the effort but every American magazine that I read as of the last few months drools over the vette as its an Enzo or something.

adamwich
02-11-2005, 06:41 PM
THANKS A LOT!

Great Scan!

racer_f50
02-11-2005, 06:56 PM
Let me guess. The corvette won.........So predictable not even going to bother.......dont get me wrong though, I appreciate the effort but every American magazine that I read as of the last few months drools over the vette as its an Enzo or something.
if you read the end page which displays results, you'll see that the Porche 911 is winning until the very last bit which is PRICE. the Vette will always be a better performance/$, so i can't really blame them for choosing it.
besides not liking the 911's styling, I think the Vette is just so much more wallet-friendly and is still a quality sports car with great performance. i'd be more willing to drive the nuts off a cheaper car than I would an expensive one, simple as that.
Unless of course i someday become rich...

coloradosilver
02-11-2005, 07:27 PM
Yes....Go Corvette Go.

Even with that ancient leaf spring suspension it still kicks ass. It might be old technology, but if it works just as well and keeps the price down, why not?

ferrarif1fan89
02-11-2005, 07:44 PM
if i had my choice of any of the cars, regardless of price, id definately go with the boxster. IMO, the only problem for me is the price.

DeMoN
02-11-2005, 09:36 PM
Thnx for this fine article. BTW, next time blur out your name and address from the front page (if its you) if you want to remain stealtyi online.

23790554
02-11-2005, 10:01 PM
the yellow on 350Z is so nice

crazidude
02-12-2005, 02:52 AM
I'm not surprised that the Corvette won, hell I would've put it in the first or second. What I'm surprised about is the Viper and the 350z. They normally do well in comparisions, but they did pretty damn poorly here. How the hell the Lotus beat both of them is beyond me. I'm not saying that the Lotus is a bad car, but I'm just not seeing it being a good all rounder.

Refefer
02-12-2005, 03:39 AM
One thing that really miffed me about the article is the fact that price was ranked so *highly*. I mean, 1/3 of total points? I can understand maybe a 100 point out of 600 if they really wanted to emphasize it, but then again I thought they were testing the *best* sports car... and it seems to me that the best should be ranked by how well the car performs, not how much it costs to own. After all, just because everyone can't own doesn't make it a bad car.

That said, I still love the vette :lol:

astonmartinandy
02-12-2005, 08:08 AM
What a biased, pathetic, patriotic tribute to the Corvette.

I accept the 911 is considerably more expensive but $53k/$67k for the Corvette/Boxster S hardly puts them worlds apart.

Both Porsches outperformed the Corvette in terms of overall points. The 911 was faster and more refined, while the Boxster S was voted "best" by almost all editors whilst still displaying the practicality essential for a car to be at home both on road & track.

To deny either of the Porsches victory by giving price such a high point weighting, demosntrates a desperate last ditch attempt to enable the Corvette to emerge victorious.

mv
02-12-2005, 11:02 AM
many thanks...I've been waiting for this...the Carrera S keeps on amazing us...It should've won.

Refefer
02-12-2005, 05:00 PM
I accept the 911 is considerably more expensive but $53k/$67k for the Corvette/Boxster S hardly puts them worlds apart.

You can get the vette coupe for around 44k in the states, so that is about a 23k difference in price...

astonmartinandy
02-13-2005, 07:39 AM
Fair enough, I just took the price from the magazine.

My point still reamins that I think it's unfair to directly compare these cars and the result being that both Porsches are in fact superior, only to then conclude that the Corvette is better because of the cheaper price.

Surely a more accurate conclusion would be that the Porsches are better cars for both road & track, but if money takes a far higher individual priority for the buyer, then get the Corvette.

gottacatchup
02-13-2005, 08:28 PM
Road & Track uses the same categories with the same point values for almost all their tests. This one had the added element of the Lap time, but the price category is standard for all tests. In a head to head between the 911 and Corvette (without track times) they ranked the 911 over the Corvette so dont say they are completely and totaly biased.

EVO just did a review of the covette and gave it very good review saying it was definately a competator for the 911 along with the TVR.

zr2man99
02-14-2005, 09:22 PM
I can't wait for the new Z06. If the 400hp vette can out lap the srt-10 and porsche Carrera S(which still looks the same after 20 years), imagine what the Z06 will do.

Refefer
02-14-2005, 09:39 PM
I can't wait for the new Z06. If the 400hp vette can out lap the srt-10 and porsche Carrera S(which still looks the same after 20 years), imagine what the Z06 will do.

The article claimed that the reason the Viper didn't win hands down is because they didn't accelerate straight out of the esses and instead choose to wait for the car to settle down after the gear shift. So, assuming that it took a second or two longer than the other 8 cars to resume acceleration, it stands to reason that it would have at gained a significant amount of time should it have accelerated right away (especially considering it had the fastest acceleration out of the group).

Never the less, that the others were able to place so close to it despite of a significant bhp difference makes me think the Z06 is gonna kill it :)