Bugatti Veyron winter testing pics

[philios55]

:shock: I can't imagine pressing this car around this snow track, even
if you have the best traction control systems in the world.
Enjoy the pics..
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[racer_f50]

very cool to see them testing it on snow. maybe they're thinking of entering rallying? :P

[Schwalbe]

This is like a rally car with those lights kit on the front... The Bugatti Veyron is really a technological wonder and a pure exotic car. :D

that Veyron is like the *ultimate* Quattro!!! LOL!


LOL ! , but so true. :wink:

Quattro + Quad turbo engine ! :twisted:

[PATo355]

LOL , the ultimate ofroader

[blah]

wow. i hadn't seen all those pics before, i've only seen the last one......that Veyron is like the *ultimate* Quattro!!! LOL!

cheers

So only the richest of the richest hairdressers could afford this, is what your saying. :lol:

[raphaelws]

8) good!!
thanks

[neilo63]

wow, so its going ahead? haha

[5vz-fe]

I know I am dreaming, but if this can be feature as one of the rally cars in GT4, it would be so awesome.

[findleybeast]

seen a couple of those pics in another thread, but not all of them so nice job. I can't imagine driving something so powerful in the snow, AWD or not.

Here's the other thread
http://www.motorworld.net/forum/showthread.php?p=346652&highlight=#346652

[blah]

wow. i hadn't seen all those pics before, i've only seen the last one......that Veyron is like the *ultimate* Quattro!!! LOL!

cheers

So only the richest of the richest hairdressers could afford this, is what your saying. :lol:

yep. exclusive to the stylish ones ;)

(pssst...if i had the cash, i'd buy it in a second)

this is gonna be one million right? I think id get that Diablo SVTT the only one made and call it a day, either that or a McLaren F1, if i could find one for a good price. Maybe a F50 or PCGT, or a Saleen S7 over this car. It looks good, but just to damn busy.

[ferrari550]

Amazing pics man, thanks a lot.

I am still holding my breath until it comes out

[Fleischmann]

Even with AWD it must be a bitch to dive in those conditions!!

[TransAm]

Well it is difficult enough to put down 500hp through 4 wheels, let alone twice that!

[adamwich]

Thanks a lot. Nice pics! I would love to be the test driver!

[blah]

wow. i hadn't seen all those pics before, i've only seen the last one......that Veyron is like the *ultimate* Quattro!!! LOL!

cheers

So only the richest of the richest hairdressers could afford this, is what your saying. :lol:

yep. exclusive to the stylish ones ;)

(pssst...if i had the cash, i'd buy it in a second)

this is gonna be one million right? I think id get that Diablo SVTT the only one made and call it a day, either that or a McLaren F1, if i could find one for a good price. Maybe a F50 or PCGT, or a Saleen S7 over this car. It looks good, but just to damn busy.

yeah, $1 Million.

i believe when it's launched officially, it will set the record for the most expensive production car and the most powerful production car.

As much as i love Mac F1s, Enzos, etc.....there's something about this Bugatti which makes me want it more than any of those.

BTW, i was talking to my "insider" last night...and he was telling me WHY Bugatti are testing the car in such snowy conditions ------- he told me they aren't testing it for traction/all-weather/or winter testing.

he said that what they do is put huge snow tires on this car and test it's maximum traction and something called "coefficient of friction"...supposedly if a car can be controlled fully on snowy purposes on winter tires, than it can easily be controlled on dry surfaces with regular tires.

He also said that many Veyrons have been crashed during dry testing, and testing a car like this in the SNOW reduces the risk of crashing the cars since they have found large spaces to push the car to its limits in the snow.

Also, he said the whole VW/Audi group are now doing this with all their cars, and the new Bentleys are currently in Alaska being tested the same way!

Exactly why id have to get the Diablo, the McLaren of the PCGT. I dont want a car thats easy to drive, thats not a hyper/supercar. I want a car that i have to tame, a challenge.

[twboy1999]

one of the ugliest car alive.... alot of u probably disagree with me on that one

can the car really handle that well?? i dun think so.. is way 2 heavy

how much does it weight?? anyone know?? 2000kg?

[|Nuno|]

one of the ugliest car alive.... alot of u probably disagree with me on that one

can the car really handle that well?? i dun think so.. is way 2 heavy

how much does it weight?? anyone know?? 2000kg?

It's rumored to weight somewhere between 1600 - 1800 Kg.

But like I said, this is just a rumor. We'll only know by the time of the launch.

[|Nuno|]

it's 3500 pounds.

Is that the final figure? Based on what info? BTW, dry or kerb?

(Sorry for all these questions, just curious. :D )

About the 0-60 time... A Saleen Twin Turbo makes 2.9, so it's not that far.

Besides, 0-60 times aren't what counts. A tuned Skyline can make great 0-60 times. Does that mean it's a great car? No. And this works for both sides.

The overall package is what counts for me.

[|Nuno|]

Yep, lets wait and see. :D

[dylan99]

The only concern that I have of the Veyron is the weight issue. It is said it would weigh 4000lb but it is also said it would weigh aroud 3500lb. I hope it will weigh less than a Murcielago (same kind of car AWD, mid-engine)

[findleybeast]

interesting info on the testing Everso. I guess it could make sense too, as a way to really test the mechanical traction of the car at a much slower speed with more runoff area.
Like you guys are saying I think weight will be the biggest concern with this car. Thats probably also causing the biggest problems in the handling department, especially considering the enormous tires required to control it as well as put the power down. I doubt the car loses grip progressively, but is rather more like a racecar - when you lose it, you REALLY lose it.

[mindgam3]

Veyron "predicted" weight: 3500lbs = 1600kg, but will probably be more
Enzo = 1365
CGT = 1380

That's over 200kg more than both of them..... 200kg is hardly an unsignificant figure.... that's like having an extra 3 passengers in your enzo whilst driving :P

[mindgam3]

Veyron "predicted" weight: 3500lbs = 1600kg, but will probably be more
Enzo = 1365
CGT = 1380

That's over 200kg more than both of them..... 200kg is hardly an unsignificant figure.... that's like having an extra 3 passengers in your enzo whilst driving :P

true, 200KG more....but also approximately 350hp (or more) MORE than either of those for that 200kg ;)

But power doesen't come into handling, grip, cornering, turn in and braking :P

[findleybeast]

Veyron "predicted" weight: 3500lbs = 1600kg, but will probably be more
Enzo = 1365
CGT = 1380

That's over 200kg more than both of them..... 200kg is hardly an unsignificant figure.... that's like having an extra 3 passengers in your enzo whilst driving :P

They Veyron is going after a slightly different market segment than the Enzo and CGT though. Given, it is supposed to be a "hypercar" with incredible performance, but it is also supposed to be luxury and hi-tech. Given it has AWD, 7 gear DSG gearbox, 4 more cylinders than the Enzo and 6 more than the CGT, 4 turbos, AND a luxury interior, 200kg seems rather reasonable.

[mindgam3]

Veyron "predicted" weight: 3500lbs = 1600kg, but will probably be more
Enzo = 1365
CGT = 1380

That's over 200kg more than both of them..... 200kg is hardly an unsignificant figure.... that's like having an extra 3 passengers in your enzo whilst driving :P

They Veyron is going after a slightly different market segment than the Enzo and CGT though. Given, it is supposed to be a "hypercar" with incredible performance, but it is also supposed to be luxury and hi-tech. Given it has AWD, 7 gear DSG gearbox, 4 more cylinders than the Enzo and 6 more than the CGT, 4 turbos, AND a luxury interior, 200kg seems rather reasonable.

That's not really the point though, its competitors are the enzo, CGT, zonda etc etc....

I mean the XJ220 was the fastest car in the world about a decade ago, but it was widely regarded as a failure mainly down to its poor handling and the expectations jaguar had promised but failed to deliver

[cooperluke]

Well... can someone lock this one or the other topic about the Veyron?? We are having two different discussions about the SAME THING in 2 different Threads!

:)

[imprezaWRC]

philios55 ,nice find mate, thanks for sharing :D

[ferrarif1fan89]

Veyron "predicted" weight: 3500lbs = 1600kg, but will probably be more
Enzo = 1365
CGT = 1380

That's over 200kg more than both of them..... 200kg is hardly an unsignificant figure.... that's like having an extra 3 passengers in your enzo whilst driving :P

true, 200KG more....but also approximately 350hp (or more) MORE than either of those for that 200kg ;)

But power doesen't come into handling, grip, cornering, turn in and braking :P

to be honest, right now we can only speculate about handling, grip, cornering...i'm QUITE sure that the car will be able to do all of that...better than what people are expecting.

i don't think Bugatti is out to play games with this car...they've never released a car which was a letdown...i can't see them starting now.

didnt they crash one, and almost crash another one? and bernd pick-his-nose has delayed it himself because of performance figures.

[ferrarif1fan89]

haha, i just found out that bernd himself crashed a mclaren f1 while at bmw. maybe he wants to avoid doing it again? :wink:

[SilviaEvo]

well my take on the Veyron is that it is a huge monstorous beast that will eat baby Vettes alive!!! btw the topic name is spelt wrong.

[Sir_GT]

Mark my words:

BIGGEST FLOP EVER


I can smell it so bad, it reeks of it.

Too heavy
Too pricey
Too hyped
Too "compensated"

Watch... it'll become the biggest automotive flop in the history of the automobile. Sort of like the equivalent of the Y2K bug, except with a $1m price tag on it, and VW bosses's heads on a stick.

[philios55]

well my take on the Veyron is that it is a huge monstorous beast that will eat baby Vettes alive!!! btw the topic name is spelt wrong.
Thanks, i just correct it!

[Cockrocket]

haha...Bugatti's last car was a complete flop..the EB110 or whatever it was called was as bigger a flop as the XJ220 do to it being released during the time when Supercars were not popular!!..

Bugatti Veyron...a.k.a.. Spiced up VW Beetle

[Cockrocket]

the reason why it was made in high quantities was precisely because of the reason i expressed. Just because MS owns does not count for or against the successfullness of the car, rather that a car enthusiast with a lot of money wants one of the few floppy cars. The engine is as ridiculouse as the veyrons, it had a v12 with 4 turbos producing only 600bhp, while the NA V12 of the Mclaren F1 produced 627bhp. No real point in continueing this discussion as we both have views which i doubt the other would alter :wink:

Back to Topic: Who would have the balls to drive the 2 tonne veyron over 200mph when all the way through its development it is unstable and the tires cannot take the strain!

[noliebro]

I think that the desighners should keep the fog lights on the car, gives it a nice look. LOL :D

[ikon2003]

Interesting info and pics everyone. Those 14 inch wide rear tires must come in handy for that snow, if properly treaded. Not a bad way to test AWD i think. but maybe they could stop testing one day, and finally release it? nah...

[Sir_GT]

Mark my words:

BIGGEST FLOP EVER


I can smell it so bad, it reeks of it.

Too heavy
Too pricey
Too hyped
Too "compensated"

Watch... it'll become the biggest automotive flop in the history of the automobile. Sort of like the equivalent of the Y2K bug, except with a $1m price tag on it, and VW bosses's heads on a stick.

Bugatti has never released a "flop"....they won't release the car until they KNOW it's perfect to their standards. the VAG group is prepared to keep spending money on it until it's perfect. I don't think it will flop....it simply won't be allowed ;)

I never said Bugatti released flops. The Veyron project and it's child will be. It was engineered in the wrong direction, by people who were not capable of doing it. They put an ex-le mans racer and banker in the helm to practically rescue the project, which is why it's been pushed back so many times. It's like trying to make michael jackson white, but they used to wrong plan, so the whole procedure turned into a huge mess, and now they're trying to use plastic surgery to repair the plastic surgery.

They need to can the Veyron and start again from scratch. The only reason they're carrying on is because they've already stuck their foot so far down their throat, they can't pull it back out again, or else they'll be the biggest laughing stock in Germany.

It was doomed from the beginning. It doesn't matter how much money they throw at it... kinda like the Iraq war. It's a complete and utter mess, and all they're doing is trying to cover it with expensive sand.

Watch. It'll never crack 240, and it'll not accelerate faster than an Enzo. It'll be the biggest, most worthless, flop. Ever.

[stradale]

i don't think Bugatti is out to play games with this car...they've never released a car which was a letdown...i can't see them starting now.

Bugatti has never released a "flop"....

Everso, you keep referring to some kind of Bugatti trackrecord, but I don't think that actually exists. Ettore Bugatti's Bugatti is history for a long time now. Roman Artioli's Bugatti is dead for a while as well, during which period they only produced the EB110 in two variants and a number of concepts that never reached the production stage. I agree that the EB110 wasn't a bad car, but it wasn't fully developed and, difficult economic circumstances or not, it wasn't a success. The car itself wasn't a flop, but the project as a whole was, just like the XJ220.
For the Veyron project however, even Artioli's Bugatti is not part of any trackrecord. This car is being designed, tested, built and, if all goes well, sold by an entirely new VAG team. Even the factory is new. Virtually nothing of what remained of Artioli's project ended up at VAG, except the brand name.

I agree with you that VAG will not let this car be released with dodgy handling and poor reliability. It'll definitely be brutally fast too. But whether it will provide a driving experience that can match its rivals on an emotional level remains to be seen. I'm very curious about the end result.

@ twboy: You're not the only one who thinks its looks are awful. I think it looks like a beetle (the bug, not the car) with a pig's nose. And don't get me started on the interior...

[ikon2003]

^i agree w/ some of the things you say on bugatti and flops - they have a less than stellar record. That can also be attributed to the fact that they're such a low volume manufacturer that they hardly ever have any practice at doing this. That's no excuse for their myriad delays of the veyron tho. Bugatti: Get Better.

[dylan99]

^i agree w/ some of the things you say on bugatti and flops - they have a less than stellar record. That can also be attributed to the fact that they're such a low volume manufacturer that they hardly ever have any practice at doing this. That's no excuse for their myriad delays of the veyron tho. Bugatti: Get Better.

Rubbish, Bugatti is Volkswagen!!!!!!!!!

[JoeHahn]

Watch. It'll never crack 240, and it'll not accelerate faster than an Enzo. It'll be the biggest, most worthless, flop. Ever.

You're dreaming, this car will destroy the Enzo in straight line performance. Bias aside, you would have seen that...

[mindgam3]

Everso, you keep referring to some kind of Bugatti trackrecord, but I don't think that actually exists. Ettore Bugatti's Bugatti is history for a long time now. Roman Artioli's Bugatti is dead for a while as well, during which period they only produced the EB110 in two variants and a number of concepts that never reached the production stage. I agree that the EB110 wasn't a bad car, but it wasn't fully developed and, difficult economic circumstances or not, it wasn't a success. The car itself wasn't a flop, but the project as a whole was, just like the XJ220.
For the Veyron project however, even Artioli's Bugatti is not part of any trackrecord. This car is being designed, tested, built and, if all goes well, sold by an entirely new VAG team. Even the factory is new. Virtually nothing of what remained of Artioli's project ended up at VAG, except the brand name.

I agree with you that VAG will not let this car be released with dodgy handling and poor reliability. It'll definitely be brutally fast too. But whether it will provide a driving experience that can match its rivals on an emotional level remains to be seen. I'm very curious about the end result.


well yeah, i do agree with you 100% that the Bugatti Auto group is pretty much a mere extension of the VAG group. the original "Bugatti" is long gone....however the sole purpose of VAG to even revive/keep alive the Bugatti company was to try and return it to its performance and image roots. VAG wanted the Bugatti name to return to the status it had back in the day...i think their goals are running along the same ambitions.

only 149 EB110s were ever produced....so i really don't think there was room for the car to flop....and like you said, the car itself was actually a solid performer...it wasn't the greatest supercar in the world, but it was worthy of supercar status i think.

BTW, i recieved my 1:43 model today! I'm guessing it has *at least* 10hp! LOL

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/everso/myveyron2.jpg

How come there was 21 left over unused EB110 chassis's left over after production had finished then? :P and also, how come Bugatti went out of business in 1995? :P

[Sir_GT]

Watch. It'll never crack 240, and it'll not accelerate faster than an Enzo. It'll be the biggest, most worthless, flop. Ever.

You're dreaming, this car will destroy the Enzo in straight line performance. Bias aside, you would have seen that...

Nope, you're the one that's dreaming. The Veyron will be the biggest case of "pure hype, never right" ever. Modern day cars are too heavy to crack 3 seconds, as most F1 engineers will tell you. You have to drop below the magic 1k weight, to crack 3 seconds, and the Veyron almost weighs twice that. Why do you think the F40 and F50 are still incredibly quick compared to the Enzo? Why do you think the Macca can't be beaten? Modern day production cars have too many safety requirements placed on them, adding to their weight, limiting their ability to move quickly. The extra bhp gained by the engine only help "catch" the imbalance brought about by legislation. Best way to approach the problem is the way Gordon Murray did with the McLaren: concentrate on keeping everything as light as technologically possible, and try to produce as much as you can from the engine, without adding more weight than expected.

Hence the McLaren F1.

But look at the Veyron: over-riddled with weighty items such as luxury goods, modern safety features, and other unneeded parts. Throw in sub-par engineering, in which the needed power was brought about by adding FOUR turbos, which of course, means that the transmission has to be beefed up, which means more weight, which again, translates to demerits for the car's targeted performance goal.

Why do you think the Enzo's design was pretty much constructed in a wind tunnel and a carbon fibre plant? It was built with speed in mind, nothing else.

The Veyron will never out-accelerate the Enzo, and it will not crack 240. Mark my words.

[JoeHahn]

Yep, this car will most likely hit 124 mph when the Enzo is hitting 100 the torque will simply make it a class above. I will take your word that it wont accelerate faster than an Enzo, then I wont look silly when it comes out and totally demolishes it. People keep referring back to a 2 tonne weight which is simply rediculous, people just dont want to see this car achieve its goals and keep saying its 2 tonnes. I also wont look silly when it comes out and the kerb weight being nowhere near 2 tonnes

[Sir_GT]

That's not me you're talking about. I'm always FOR cars breaking records. I don't care what brand. It just isn't physically possible for the Veyron to do so. I seriously wish the tried a different approach. Two clutches? imagine what that thing is attached to? What about the four turbos? Imagine the drivetrain needed to cope with that kind of torque? How much will that weigh? It also doesn't help that one of the engineers from the Macca's core team said that it is impossible to a certain amount of power down on the road at one time, because of the contact patch of the tires, irregardless of weight. He said that once you add the actual weight of the car, then the problem grows.

200-300 pounds more than the enzo is like having a really fat bloke holding you down all the time. They NEED to drop the 300 pounds, not add more.

[ikon2003]

^i agree w/ some of the things you say on bugatti and flops - they have a less than stellar record. That can also be attributed to the fact that they're such a low volume manufacturer that they hardly ever have any practice at doing this. That's no excuse for their myriad delays of the veyron tho. Bugatti: Get Better.

Rubbish, Bugatti is Volkswagen!!!!!!!!!

Um, actually Bugatti is French (started by an Italian)....

[italian_stalion_32]

wow that car is insane... it kinda looks like a heavy in some pics but it dont think it is

[stradale]

^i agree w/ some of the things you say on bugatti and flops - they have a less than stellar record. That can also be attributed to the fact that they're such a low volume manufacturer that they hardly ever have any practice at doing this. That's no excuse for their myriad delays of the veyron tho. Bugatti: Get Better.

Rubbish, Bugatti is Volkswagen!!!!!!!!!

Um, actually Bugatti is French (founded by an Italian)....

Bugatti hasn't been French since the demise of the original company by Ettore Bugatti. Decades later it was an Italian company and now it is a Volkswagen branch. The only link to France today is that the plant is situated at Molsheim, France, the place where the original Bugattis were built as well. But I have to agree with dylan, Bugatti these days is simply VAG.

[Sir_GT]

You people do know that when VAG bought out Lamborghini, the company still existed... meaning lot's of the original Lambo guys were still kept - which is why the V12 is the italian one, and not a german derivative. Unlike Bugatti, in which the company literally folded, and VAG simply bought out the dead horse and gave it people.

IIRC, the man who headed VAG during the Bugatti purchased also criticised BMW for not holding on to the MG/Rover company.

From that respect, I think it goes to show how much more brains BMW AG has compared to VAG. :)

[04RCSTI]

Nice pics, wouldve never expected anyone to put those lights on a Veyron, kinda odd.

[ferrarif1fan89]

Nice pics, wouldve never expected anyone to put those lights on a Veyron, kinda odd.

have you not read any of the posts?

[ferrarif1fan89]

wouldve never expected anyone to put those lights on a Veyron, kinda odd.
do you know how to read? if so, please take the time to read all posts before speaking. :wink:

[mindgam3]

last night i found out that the Veyron WILL have a DIAMOND in the centre console.

yes...a diamond...a real diamond. LOL.

fucking hell.

Bugatti are also working on other cars....and these other cars will NOT be the Chiron, EB118, or any of the older cars. They will be ALL NEW. There are plans for Bugatti after the Veyron.....using V16 Engines.

Don't you mean W16 engines?

[Sir_GT]

more brains BMW AG has compared to VAG. :)


:roll: ..Bangle.....

ENOUGh said!! LOL

BMW does nothing really...compared to the amount of activity VAG does. What does BMW have? Rolls-Royce? haha....not impressed.

VAG controls several great companies...and they do it well.

You mean like Audi's new goatee?

or the Phaeton?

what about Bugatti?

:roll:

VAG only got Lambo right. Everything else they do is distinctly average. Average designs, average engineering, average cars.

Besides... Bangle's right. ;) Flame surfacing owns Audi's facial hair style.

Look at the E90, it looks FAR better than the Mankind-faced Audi A4.

[mindgam3]

last night i found out that the Veyron WILL have a DIAMOND in the centre console.

yes...a diamond...a real diamond. LOL.

fucking hell.

Bugatti are also working on other cars....and these other cars will NOT be the Chiron, EB118, or any of the older cars. They will be ALL NEW. There are plans for Bugatti after the Veyron.....using V16 Engines.

Don't you mean W16 engines?

i was told specifically....V16. not W16. yeah...i asked twice too ;)

i'll believe it when i see it